CrusaderFrank
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It's abundently clear that Saigon is very insecure about his education
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Subsidies and sweetheart deals to political contributors have nothing to do with free trade and capitalism, eurotrash pinko.I remember when Americans backed free trade and capitalism. Not any more.
Good to see posters like Katzndogz lining up to condemn them. Skooks would probably be anti-capitalist hmself if he could spell the word.
Todd -
It may be that this topic - like so many others - is sinply beyond your understanding.
But let's try:
Private companies in a half dozen countries make money and create jobs in renewable energies. They receive no money from government, no subsidies and no pay offs. They are private companies.
Is that clear?
Oh, I understand wasteful government subsidies just fine.
Anyone interested in the merits of the Denier case could do worse than review the literacy on display on this thread.
If you combined Oddball, Todd, Frank and BriPat you'd almost have enough brain for a guinea pig. And it still wouldn't be able to spell.
Four posters so far who don't seem to know what free trade or capitalism is.
Todd -
Oh, I understand wasteful government subsidies just fine.
I think it's best that we conclude that you lack both the literacy and intelligence to discuss this topic.
For the 500th time - THERE ARE NO SUBSIDIES INVOLVED in these companies.
If you can read the thread - do so. THEN post. Or find a grownup to help you do so.
Todd -
Realistically, there are probably around a hundred major manufacturers working in renewables - easily another hundred private companies involved in consulting, research and in peripheral trades.
Worldwide, this amounts to several tends of thousands of jobs, and billions of dollars a year in trade. Most of these are share-listed companies.
I'll just post one here as an example of one of the larger players, which is a subsidiary if Siemens Germany.
MCT:
Marine Current Turbines Ltd (MCT) has a demonstrated pedigree of pioneering the development of tidal stream generation technology for over 20 years. Now wholly owned by Siemens, forming part of the Ocean & Hydro Business, MCT is poised to become the Worlds leading OEM (Original Equipment Manufacturer) of commercial scale tidal stream technology, dedicated to research, design, manufacture and support of tidal stream energy generating systems.
MCT has proven that the technology is scalable, commercially viable and an environmentally sustainable solution to zero carbon energy generation. The technology is now ready for deployment in commercial scale tidal energy projects.
MCT is now focused on the development of the first tidal array projects in the UK on carefully selected sites that will deliver a good commercial return for investors.
Welcome to MCT | Marine Current Turbines
When we look back on this thread we see a half dozen posters bitterly opposed to this kind of free trade and capitalism in action, and that is obviously why the jobs and export dollars don't go to the US.
Korea, Germany, Scotland and Japan must love the fact that so many Americans don't support capitalism anymore.
From money pit urban mass transit boondoggles to ETOH to solar to the goofy windmills, the "green energy" scam is heavily subsidized in America....That's the fact.Oddball -
Nothing on this thread has anything to do with subsidies, imbecile.
This thread is about free trade, investment and capitalism - which you guys all apparently oppose.
Communication satellites didn't always make money. Only after government funding of space exploration that developed the technology and government backed commercial satellite operation, did private industry develop and operate communication satellites.You're comparing communication satellites that make scads of money to stupid-assed, bankrupt, money pit "green energy" scams?The US has a long history of goofy subsidies, telegraphs, telephones, railroads, oil and gas, atomic energy, space exploration, etc. A lot of companies in new industries fail, in fact, most do, but that doesn't mean we should't invest in that industry.The billions blown on towering debacles like Solyndra, Sun Power, idiotic subsides for ETOH and goofy windmills makes us a leader in failure.
Often government provides subsidies for new industries that private investors shun because of the lack of established markets or high risk reward ratios. In the 1960's, no one in their right mind would invest in operating satellites, at least not until the government created Comsat. Comsat corporation, the first commercial operator of satellites was created in 1963 with private investments, government guaranteed loans and contracts. Today there are over 500 US satellites. 350 are commercially operated.
Srsly?
What is Climate Denial costing the US?
What's beyond comprehension is people who think spending billions to make a couple of million is sustainable.Todd -
It may be that this topic - like so many others - is sinply beyond your understanding.
But let's try:
Private companies in a half dozen countries make money and create jobs in renewable energies. They receive no money from government, no subsidies and no pay offs. They are private companies.
Is that clear?
You mean money sucking republican robbery barons. Irregardless, the transcontinental railroad was a huge asset to the nation as will be alternative energy sources.Railroads ended up in the hands of the Robber Barons that leftbats like you hate so much...Now that same model is being used for idiotic money-sucking "green energy" scams and you rubes lap it up!
Amazing.
What's beyond comprehension is people who think spending billions to make a couple of million is sustainable.Todd -
It may be that this topic - like so many others - is sinply beyond your understanding.
But let's try:
Private companies in a half dozen countries make money and create jobs in renewable energies. They receive no money from government, no subsidies and no pay offs. They are private companies.
Is that clear?
Saigon, my alma mater, Oregon State University, is showing a concern about both ocean current-generated electricity and wind turbines on marine mammals. (The wind turbines have made migrations confusing and deadly to certain species of water mammals in the Baltic region by EU zoologists), plus in Oregon, they are concerned about the Eastern gray whale, the Harbor porpoise, and the local pinniped populations.Siemens Germany:
The power of the tides represents a nearly untapped source of clean energy. As the energy density of water compared to wind is 800 times higher, power generation is much more efficient. Additionally, the energy yield of an ocean power plant is highly precisely predictable and thus enhances the planning security in electricity output, as tidal currents are determined by the gravity of the moon and the sun. Therefore ocean power plants can be installed wherever ebb and flood generate strong currents.
This global availability leads to an estimated output potential of 800 Terawatt hours per year – an amount of electricity, which is enough to supply 250 million households with clean energy.
Ocean Power - Siemens