What is Meant by "Well Regulated"?

[ThisIsMe]

Look, if you want to get rid of guns, there is nothing stopping you from turning yours in. Why don't you do that?

You'll never see a lefty voluntarily taking all their firearms to the local sheriff office, but you will certainly see them demanding all right wingers get rid of theirs.

How about it? Post videos of you guys taking your firearms to the local police and turning them in.

 

[rightwinger]

Look, if you want to get rid of guns, there is nothing stopping you from turning yours in. Why don't you do that?

You'll never see a lefty voluntarily taking all their firearms to the local sheriff office, but you will certainly see them demanding all right wingers get rid of theirs.

How about it? Post videos of you guys taking your firearms to the local police and turning them in.

I don’t have any firearms
I don’t need one

I have a big stick with a nail in it
Nobody fuks with rightwinger

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Look, if you want to get rid of guns, there is nothing stopping you from turning yours in. Why don't you do that?

You'll never see a lefty voluntarily taking all their firearms to the local sheriff office, but you will certainly see them demanding all right wingers get rid of theirs.

How about it? Post videos of you guys taking your firearms to the local police and turning them in.

The anti-gunners aren't surrendering their protection by armed security. They know guns are the perfect tool for self defense.

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[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

I don’t have any firearms
I don’t need one

I have a big stick with a nail in it
Nobody fuks with rightwinger

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If you don't need one, then the country isn't as dangerous as you claim.

 

[rightwinger]

If you don't need one, then the country isn't as dangerous as you claim.

When did I claim it was dangerous

Don‘t see me needing a firearm to walk around in public

 

[Dont Taz Me Bro]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

constitutioncenter.org

What is your definition of a "well regulated Militia"?

Ask George Mason, one of the Founding Fathers

"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people except for a few public officials."

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

What is your definition of a "well regulated Militia"?

The reference to ‘militia’ in the Second Amendment is an anachronism, of course – there are no more ‘militia,’ not since 1903, hence the Heller Court’s individual right ruling.

And Supreme Court rulings prior to 1903 have held that the Second Amendment’s reference to ‘the militia’ concerns solely ‘militia’ sanctioned and authorized only by state governments or the Federal government.

A collection of armed private citizens does not constitute a ‘militia’; a collection of armed private citizens cannot unilaterally declare themselves a ‘militia’ claiming to be ‘exempt’ from state and Federal firearm regulatory measures.

Last, private citizens have no ‘right’ to access the same firearms as a state’s national guard or the Federal military.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

It's the common definition at the time it was written that mattered and in the 18th century well regulated meant in proper working order not government controlled

The reference to ‘regulated’ implies government control, in that firearms be ‘in proper working order.’

And the Supreme Court in Presser reaffirmed the fact that ‘militia’ exist only when sanctioned by the states or Federal government – i.e., government controlled.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

A bunch of rednecks running around with AR-15s is not well regulated

...nor a militia.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

When did I claim it was dangerous

Don‘t see me needing a firearm to walk around in public

Why do you want guns more regulated and certain guns to be banned?

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

...nor a militia.

They're the people and their right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.

 

[CrusaderFrank]

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The 2nd Amendment of the U.S. Constitution

A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

constitutioncenter.org

What is your definition of a "well regulated Militia"?

Well regulated simply means free citizens who know how to fight against a repressive government, foreign or domestic

 

[Natural Citizen]

See Federalist, numbers 28 and 46, by Hamilton and Madison.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"A well regulated militia" doesn't mean much in the context of the 2A. It's a desire to have a militia that is well regulated, rather than saying it must be.

The Amendment is about the militia, about protecting the militia.

You protect the militia by protecting the arms (keep arms) and the personnel (bear arms).

It's not a difficult amendment to understand, what's difficult is that everyone's trying to get it to fit their own agenda.

Correct.

Indeed, those hostile to firearm regulatory measures had a perfect understanding of the meaning of the Amendment, that it codified solely a collective – not individual – right.

And because the reference to ‘militia’ didn’t apply to private armed individuals, both the states and Federal government were at liberty to regulate firearms, including prohibiting the possession of certain types of weapons.

The Heller Court likewise understood this, thus contriving the individual right to possess firearms and the right to self-defense unconnected to militia service.

With the collective (‘militia’) right now discarded, the Court applied the individual right paradigm to the states and local jurisdictions in McDonald, establishing the legal foundation to overturn state firearm regulatory measures contrary to the Founders’ original intent and contrary to states’ rights dogma.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Why do you want guns more regulated and certain guns to be banned?

Still not a ‘militia.’

And firearm regulatory measures consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence is not ‘infringement.’

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Look, if you want to get rid of guns, there is nothing stopping you from turning yours in. Why don't you do that?

You'll never see a lefty voluntarily taking all their firearms to the local sheriff office, but you will certainly see them demanding all right wingers get rid of theirs.

How about it? Post videos of you guys taking your firearms to the local police and turning them in.

No one wants to ‘get rid of guns’ – this is just another ridiculous rightwing lie.

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

Still not a ‘militia.’

And firearm regulatory measures consistent with Second Amendment jurisprudence is not ‘infringement.’

The 2nd Amendment doesn't require militia membership

 

[Wild Bill Kelsoe]

No one wants to ‘get rid of guns’ – this is just another ridiculous rightwing lie.

Feinstein does.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

See Federalist, numbers 28 and 46, by Hamilton and Madison.

…where Madison explains that lawfully authorized state militias, organized and regulated by state governments, not armed private citizens, would provide initial defense from outside invasion or internal rebellion.

 

[Failzero]

Ability to form up quickly and moderate training previously .