What IS National Socialism

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

What about the parallels of BHO being a Closet Maoist Bisexual ?

You would be closer to that parallel than Obama.

 

[zaangalewa]

No...they weren't......which you would know if you read Hayek or Mises....

Nazism is Socialism -- F A Hayek, et al

One of the main reasons why the socialist character of National Socialism has been quite generally unrecognized, is, no doubt, its alliance with the nationalist groups which represent the great industries and the great landowners. But this merely proves that these groups too -as they have since learnt to their bitter disappointment -have, at least partly, been mistaken as to the nature of the movement. But only partly because -and this is the most characteristic feature of modern Germany – many capitalists are themselves strongly influenced by socialistic ideas, and have not sufficient belief in capitalism to defend it with a clear conscience. But, in spite of this, the German entrepreneur class have manifested almost incredible short-sightedness in allying themselves with a move movement of whose strong anti-capitalistic tendencies there should never have been any doubt.

A careful observer must always have been aware that the opposition of the Nazis to the established socialist parties, which gained them the sympathy of the entrepreneur, was only to a very small extend directed against their economic policy.

What the Nazis mainly objected to was their internationalism and all the aspects of their cultural programme which were still influenced by liberal ideas. But the accusations against the social-democrats and the communists which were most effective in their propaganda were not so much directed against their programme as against their supposed practice -their corruption and nepotism, and even their alleged alliance with “the golden International of Jewish Capitalism.”

It would, indeed, hardly have been possible for the Nationalists to advance fundamental objections to the economic policy of the other socialist parties when their own published programme differed from these only in that its socialism was much cruder and less rational. The famous 25 points drawn up by Herr Feder,[2] one of Hitler’s early allies, repeatedly endorsed by Hitler and recognized by the by-laws of the National-Socialist party as the immutable basis of all its actions, which together with an extensive commentary is circulating throughout Germany in many hundreds of thousands of copies, is full of ideas resembling those of the early socialists. But the dominant feature is a fierce hatred of anything capitalistic -individualistic profit seeking, large scale enterprise, banks, joint-stock companies, department stores, “international finance and loan capital,” the system of “interest slavery” in general; the abolition of these is described as the “[indecipherable] of the programme, around which everything else turns.” It was to this programme that the masses of the German people, who were already completely under the influence of collectivist ideas, responded so enthusiastically.

That this violent anti-capitalistic attack is genuine – and not a mere piece of propaganda – becomes as clear from the personal history of the intellectual leaders of the movement as from the general milieu from which it springs. It is not even denied that man of the young men who today play a prominent part in it have previously been communists or socialists.

And to any observer of the literary tendencies which made the Germans intelligentsia ready to join the ranks of the new party, it must be clear that the common characteristic of all the politically influential writers – in many cases free from definite party affiliations – was their anti-liberal and anti-capitalist trend. Groups like that formed around the review “Die Tat” have made the phrase “the end of capitalism” an accepted dogma to most young Germans.[3]

And more...

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell. The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham. As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living. The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”
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Nazis Were Not Marxists, but They Were Socialists | Jörg Guido Hülsmann

In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me

Martin Niemöller

 

[zaangalewa]

What about the parallels of BHO being a Closet Maoist Bisexual ?

Eh? That's no serios question.

Do you like to ignore this parallels? Is nothing irritating you when you think about Donald Trump?

 

[Red Front]

Yes, the socialism in national socialism is not the same as in the Marxist sense. That's what causes so much confusion and one of the reasons why I started this thread. National socialists are not communists but they are not free market libertarians either. They believe in private ownership of the means of production, but production must be constrained to be for the benefit of society. Elsewhere in this thread I linked to a research paper showing that Germany denationalized many industries, even as the rest of Europe was going in the opposite direction. However, along with denationalization came increased regulation.



Neither I nor Rockwell said that Whites are the most superior one. Whites would be superior, on average, in certain things, but as you say you'd need some kind of objective metric to determine which race is the most superior race, but such an objective metric doesn't exist.



Superiority really means political superiority. White people should be politically superior in White majority countries. Unfortunately we've allowed ourselves to become politically neutered in countries where we're the majority. Unless Whites can be cured of our ethnomasochism we're going to go the way of the dodo bird in a hundred years.



There's a certain ethnic group that does everything in their power to destroy us, but they couldn't do it without our help. Our ethnomasochism is destroying us. And it's not confined to liberals. Yes, they are explicitly anti-White, but Conservatives never even put up a fight. Just look at the recent SCOTUS decision about affirmative action. It was only done away with because Asians were being discriminated against. Previous court cases where Whites sued for discrimination did not overturn affirmative action. Conservatives are perfectly happy with the browning of America, because conservatives like cheap labor for corporations. Conservative would never go along with any pro-White legislation. They'd actually denounce it as racist.



This Enlightenment thinking is exactly the problem. We aren't united and it's a mistake to be deluded into thinking that we are. The best path towards peaceful co-existence is separation. Good fences make good neighbors.

When I said that we are united by our common humanity, I wasn't implying that we should become a "melting pot" or not have "good fences" as you say. I believe in preserving European identity, culture and ethnicity, but likewise, I believe we should also recognize that we are all human, despite our differences. Our distinctive traits should be preserved and valued, but let's not forget that we are all human beings despite our differences. Having fences is good and necessary, I agree.

 

[Red Front]

That group of people who I'm not going to mention here, who want to delete Europeans from the map, turning Europe into an Arab, African continent, have no qualms in admitting that they love fences and big, tall concrete walls. They're the most ethnocentric, xenophobic, racist people on the planet, despite their claims to the contrary. The irony.

 

[Failzero]

Eh? That's no serios question.

Do you like to ignore this parallels? Is nothing irritating you when you think about Donald Trump?

Do you think it’s irritating that Hillary & Huma were an item

 

[Failzero]

You would be closer to that parallel than Obama.

Reggie Love would beg to differ

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Reggie Love would beg to differ

Reggie would, but you agree.

 

[jwoodie]

Every government is unique, but that doesn't mean that types of government can't be grouped into classes of government.

While it is true that Nazi Germany was an authoritarian dictatorship, "national socialism" is not a type of government that could be reproduced elsewhere. Without the unique conditions that produced Hitler's rise to power, it is little more than a pejorative term used to disparage opposition political groups. The few young men who actually claim to be today's Nazis are like ignorant children playing with military uniforms. They couldn't tell you the difference between "national socialism" and a partridge in a pear tree.

 

[LeroyDumonde]

In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me

Martin Niemöller

The irony is that as a U-boat commander in WWI he almost certainly killed more people than Hitler.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

The irony is that as a U-boat commander in WWI he almost certainly killed more people than Hitler.

Personally, perhaps. Responsible for more deaths, certainly not.

 

[2aguy]

In Germany they first came for the Communists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Communist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for the trade unionists,
and I didn't speak up because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Catholics,
and I didn't speak up because I was a Protestant.
Then they came for me

Martin Niemöller

Leftists come for everyone....which is why I oppose leftists............

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Leftists come for everyone....which is why I oppose leftists............

What a foolish comment.

 

[Failzero]

What a foolish comment.

Says the useful idiot

 

[zaangalewa]

Do you think it’s irritating that Hillary & Huma were an item

Try to speak reasonable with me and not in categories of stupid political propaganda. I'm a German - and not an US-American. I gave you some
information about reality and not about fantasies which people like to hear or not to hear.

 

[zaangalewa]

Leftists come for everyone....which is why I oppose leftists............

It's nonsense what you say. The Nazis had been a right wing movement. Nevertheless we say here in Germany someone is so far right that he comes back from the left edge - or someone is so far left that he comes back from the right edge. In both cases we speak about extremists. For me personally is totally clear that Donald Trump is an enemy of Germany and I think he is a high traitor of the [values of] the western world. But I am also not impressed from the government "Biden" when I think about Afghanistan or about the will of the US-government to give to the Ukraine cluster ammunition - which should not exist at all on the whole planet.

Oh by the way: The much greater danger is for the USA Donald Trump and the criminals who support him. My fantasy is in this context: He will make out of the USA something what no one will be able to identify with the child of the enlightenment "USA" any longer.

 

[zaangalewa]

The irony is that as a U-boat commander in WWI he almost certainly killed more people than Hitler.

Hitler killed no one personally - and was nevertheless one of the worst mass-murderers the world ever had seen. And it was totally unknown to me that we had submarines in world war 1. In general was the marine of Germany during World War 1 only seen as a toy for the British and Prussian fake-emperor over Germany William II. The German fleet fell into the hands of the British practically without a fight. A German officer sank them afterwards.

By the way: Since when is it a shame for someone to kill in a war the enemies of the own country. And since when makes what someone was doing or not doing in the own life wrong what he says?

I took a look. We had indeed submarines in World War 1. How crazy. You are for sure not able to say Martin Niemöller had been a coward when he had used one of this first absurde constructions of submarines.

 

[2aguy]

It's nonsense what you say. The Nazis had been a right wing movement. Nevertheless we say here in Germany someone is so far right that he comes back from the left edge - or someone is so far left that he comes back from the right edge. In both cases we speak about extremists. For me personally is totally clear that Donald Trump is an enemy of Germany and I think he is a high trator of the [values of] the western world. But I am also not impressed from the government "Biden" when I think about Afghanistan or about the will of the US-government to give to the Ukraine cluster ammunition - which should not exist at all on the whole planet.

Oh by the way: Neverteghelsl the much greater danger is fro teh USA Donald Trump and the criminals who support him. My fanbatsty is intbghis conetextt: He will make out of the USA something what no one will be able to identify with the child of the enlightenment "USA" any longer.

National socialism is left wing.......

 

[2aguy]

Hitler killed no one personally - and was nevertheless one of the worst mass-murderers the world ever had seen. And it was totally unknown to me that we had submarines in world war 1. In general was the marine of Germany druign wroidl war 1 only seen as a toy for the British and Prussian emperor over Germany William II. The German fleet fell into the hands of the British practically without a fight. A German officer sank them.

By the way: Since when is it a shame for someone to kill in a war the enemies of the own country. And since when makes what someone was doing or not doing in the own life wrong what he says?

Hmmm...you didn't know the Germans had subs in WW1?

The Lusitania was sunk by one.....

 

[Failzero]

Hmmm...you didn't know the Germans had subs in WW1?

The Lusitania was sunk by one.....

They also missed the part where one German WW1 pilot had 80 victories in Air Combat