What is the 5 billion for?

[WillowTree]

A wall does not equate to border security. People opposed to a wall are not in favor of open borders. Those are scam talking points aka, lies from the liar in chief. A wall is the least effective way to achieve border security. Notice how proponents always add "sniper and machine gun equipped guard towers", "minefields" along with all the things sensible people are asking for such as drones, electronic surveillance, additional manpower, more judges and effective courts, etc. Leave out the scam points being made to satisfy the ego of our narcissistic asshole President Trump and end this costly charade.

A wall is a huge part of border security and it won't be the solution for every case. However in many cases, it will stop or at the very least, extremely slow down the border crossers. It also acts as a deterrent.

So why are your puppet masters telling you it won't do any good even though there is zero evidence of their claim? Because a wall cannot easily be removed. Democrats know a wall will provide positive results, but they don't want to stop this flow of illegals. They want it to continue and expand, it's just they can't tell you that.

Democrats only want solutions they can get rid of once in power again so they can get more illegals into the country and not take any blame.

Some, actually many, are convinced they can not trust a person who consistently lies and has a long proven record of being a scam artist like Trump. He has a long history of dishonesty and using lies to promote fake and fraudulent enterprises. His many bankruptcies are examples. So many bankruptcies that no American bank will loan him a dollar or dime. Amazingly, his followers ignore this and still call him a wonderful businessman.

People who get scammed often refuse to admit they have been scammed. Trump's wall supporters have fallen for his wall scam and refuse to admit it has been a big scam.

It is fun watching the rationalization fest though

It's more fun watching the Democrat Party melt into disarray, while believing that they're actually "unified" in anything but their hatred of a President.

I haven't had this much fun since the hogs ate my baby brother.

They cancelled the women’s march because it bee too white! Fucking morons!

 

[WillowTree]

I washed my car between posts! See what a little pissed off can accomplish?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

We haven’t been overran, conquered, threatened, or even injured.

You mean a police officer was not just gunned down in California?

You mean nobody has been robbed, assaulted or murdered by illegals?

You mean we decided to be a bilingual country on our own?

You mean we really don't have 20 million illegals in this country now?

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A wall does not equate to border security. People opposed to a wall are not in favor of open borders. Those are scam talking points aka, lies from the liar in chief. A wall is the least effective way to achieve border security. Notice how proponents always add "sniper and machine gun equipped guard towers", "minefields" along with all the things sensible people are asking for such as drones, electronic surveillance, additional manpower, more judges and effective courts, etc. Leave out the scam points being made to satisfy the ego of our narcissistic asshole President Trump and end this costly charade.

A wall is a huge part of border security and it won't be the solution for every case. However in many cases, it will stop or at the very least, extremely slow down the border crossers. It also acts as a deterrent.

So why are your puppet masters telling you it won't do any good even though there is zero evidence of their claim? Because a wall cannot easily be removed. Democrats know a wall will provide positive results, but they don't want to stop this flow of illegals. They want it to continue and expand, it's just they can't tell you that.

Democrats only want solutions they can get rid of once in power again so they can get more illegals into the country and not take any blame.

Some, actually many, are convinced they can not trust a person who consistently lies and has a long proven record of being a scam artist like Trump. He has a long history of dishonesty and using lies to promote fake and fraudulent enterprises. His many bankruptcies are examples. So many bankruptcies that no American bank will loan him a dollar or dime. Amazingly, his followers ignore this and still call him a wonderful businessman.

People who get scammed often refuse to admit they have been scammed. Trump's wall supporters have fallen for his wall scam and refuse to admit it has been a big scam.

You are kidding.......right?

We wanted a wall long before Trump even thought of running for President. The wall is why we elected him. Unlike every other contender, he heard what we demanded and promised to provide. So we voted for him.

Trump had four bankruptcies in his career of running or owning over 500 companies. That means he had one bankruptcy for every 100 he operated. Find me another businessman with that record. Plus most of his bankruptcies happened during bad economic times when other companies were doing the same.

The Wall was a big aspect for voting for him.

The number one reason was SCOTUS............we couldn't afford to let Hillary make those appointments....because they would do JUDICIAL ACTIVISM ON STEROIDS if she was elected.........

Judicial activism is now forcing ICE to release illegal immigrants again..........through more loop holes in the system...........and that will be challenged in the SCOTUS again..........if Hillary had appointed them........they would have used the SCOTUS to Open the borders WIDE THE FUCK OPEN........

At least we stopped that with Trump........

Not to mention Paris Agreement........TPP and etc..........French are real happy about that Accord right now. LOL

This is true but I think the border is what did it.

Every other candidate on the Republican side talked about the same issues, but only Trump said he was going to put an end to illegal immigration. The others? They talked about immigration reform as if that's what we were screaming about. They talked about how to make the law breakers here citizens. They gave us the same political blah-blah we hear from all politicians.

Only trump stood out. He said he was going to build a wall (something we've been demanding for many years now) and we believed him. Nobody else talked about any wall.

 

[eagle1462010]

A wall does not equate to border security. People opposed to a wall are not in favor of open borders. Those are scam talking points aka, lies from the liar in chief. A wall is the least effective way to achieve border security. Notice how proponents always add "sniper and machine gun equipped guard towers", "minefields" along with all the things sensible people are asking for such as drones, electronic surveillance, additional manpower, more judges and effective courts, etc. Leave out the scam points being made to satisfy the ego of our narcissistic asshole President Trump and end this costly charade.

A wall is a huge part of border security and it won't be the solution for every case. However in many cases, it will stop or at the very least, extremely slow down the border crossers. It also acts as a deterrent.

So why are your puppet masters telling you it won't do any good even though there is zero evidence of their claim? Because a wall cannot easily be removed. Democrats know a wall will provide positive results, but they don't want to stop this flow of illegals. They want it to continue and expand, it's just they can't tell you that.

Democrats only want solutions they can get rid of once in power again so they can get more illegals into the country and not take any blame.

Some, actually many, are convinced they can not trust a person who consistently lies and has a long proven record of being a scam artist like Trump. He has a long history of dishonesty and using lies to promote fake and fraudulent enterprises. His many bankruptcies are examples. So many bankruptcies that no American bank will loan him a dollar or dime. Amazingly, his followers ignore this and still call him a wonderful businessman.

People who get scammed often refuse to admit they have been scammed. Trump's wall supporters have fallen for his wall scam and refuse to admit it has been a big scam.

You are kidding.......right?

We wanted a wall long before Trump even thought of running for President. The wall is why we elected him. Unlike every other contender, he heard what we demanded and promised to provide. So we voted for him.

Trump had four bankruptcies in his career of running or owning over 500 companies. That means he had one bankruptcy for every 100 he operated. Find me another businessman with that record. Plus most of his bankruptcies happened during bad economic times when other companies were doing the same.

The Wall was a big aspect for voting for him.

The number one reason was SCOTUS............we couldn't afford to let Hillary make those appointments....because they would do JUDICIAL ACTIVISM ON STEROIDS if she was elected.........

Judicial activism is now forcing ICE to release illegal immigrants again..........through more loop holes in the system...........and that will be challenged in the SCOTUS again..........if Hillary had appointed them........they would have used the SCOTUS to Open the borders WIDE THE FUCK OPEN........

At least we stopped that with Trump........

Not to mention Paris Agreement........TPP and etc..........French are real happy about that Accord right now. LOL

This is true but I think the border is what did it.

Every other candidate on the Republican side talked about the same issues, but only Trump said he was going to put an end to illegal immigration. The others? They talked about immigration reform as if that's what we were screaming about. They talked about how to make the law breakers here citizens. They gave us the same political blah-blah we hear from all politicians.

Only trump stood out. He said he was going to build a wall (something we've been demanding for many years now) and we believed him. Nobody else talked about any wall.

It is always a hot bed item in elections...............because 60 % of the people PLUS want the illegal immigration problem fixed.............and that issue WINS ELECTIONS.......why the left was for it in 2006.

The public will then hold those promises to the fire..............if they don't do it.......well then you have historic loses like the Dems had with Obama's Congress and Senate.........

If Trump doesn't fulfill some of the promises on the Wall and border security he is done in 2020..............and he knows it.

Should be an interesting fight.............if he folds..........well......he will be held accountable in 2020.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

A wall is a huge part of border security and it won't be the solution for every case. However in many cases, it will stop or at the very least, extremely slow down the border crossers. It also acts as a deterrent.

So why are your puppet masters telling you it won't do any good even though there is zero evidence of their claim? Because a wall cannot easily be removed. Democrats know a wall will provide positive results, but they don't want to stop this flow of illegals. They want it to continue and expand, it's just they can't tell you that.

Democrats only want solutions they can get rid of once in power again so they can get more illegals into the country and not take any blame.

Some, actually many, are convinced they can not trust a person who consistently lies and has a long proven record of being a scam artist like Trump. He has a long history of dishonesty and using lies to promote fake and fraudulent enterprises. His many bankruptcies are examples. So many bankruptcies that no American bank will loan him a dollar or dime. Amazingly, his followers ignore this and still call him a wonderful businessman.

People who get scammed often refuse to admit they have been scammed. Trump's wall supporters have fallen for his wall scam and refuse to admit it has been a big scam.

You are kidding.......right?

We wanted a wall long before Trump even thought of running for President. The wall is why we elected him. Unlike every other contender, he heard what we demanded and promised to provide. So we voted for him.

Trump had four bankruptcies in his career of running or owning over 500 companies. That means he had one bankruptcy for every 100 he operated. Find me another businessman with that record. Plus most of his bankruptcies happened during bad economic times when other companies were doing the same.

The Wall was a big aspect for voting for him.

The number one reason was SCOTUS............we couldn't afford to let Hillary make those appointments....because they would do JUDICIAL ACTIVISM ON STEROIDS if she was elected.........

Judicial activism is now forcing ICE to release illegal immigrants again..........through more loop holes in the system...........and that will be challenged in the SCOTUS again..........if Hillary had appointed them........they would have used the SCOTUS to Open the borders WIDE THE FUCK OPEN........

At least we stopped that with Trump........

Not to mention Paris Agreement........TPP and etc..........French are real happy about that Accord right now. LOL

This is true but I think the border is what did it.

Every other candidate on the Republican side talked about the same issues, but only Trump said he was going to put an end to illegal immigration. The others? They talked about immigration reform as if that's what we were screaming about. They talked about how to make the law breakers here citizens. They gave us the same political blah-blah we hear from all politicians.

Only trump stood out. He said he was going to build a wall (something we've been demanding for many years now) and we believed him. Nobody else talked about any wall.

It is always a hot bed item in elections...............because 60 % of the people PLUS want the illegal immigration problem fixed.............and that issue WINS ELECTIONS.......why the left was for it in 2006.

The public will then hold those promises to the fire..............if they don't do it.......well then you have historic loses like the Dems had with Obama's Congress and Senate.........

If Trump doesn't fulfill some of the promises on the Wall and border security he is done in 2020..............and he knows it.

Should be an interesting fight.............if he folds..........well......he will be held accountable in 2020.

Well it's like Rush Limbaugh said so many times "When Democrats want to win elections, they start talking like Republicans."

They can say they are for walls, or fences, or security of any kind, but it's only a dog and pony show. We know they don't want these things by their actions. It's just like when Republicans say they want to defund Planned Parenthood. Once in power, they seem to have more excuses than Democrats.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Good boy. Do you fetch and roll over too?

Quote yourself where you were demanding a wall before the blob told you that you wanted one.

That leftist tactic again? Asking for something you know is impossible to get? Right.....like we don't know what you're up to.

However I did try. Unfortunately on USMB, the search engine only retrieves one page of older topics. Otherwise I would show you where I made that statement before Trump ran even though I've only been here since August of 2015. But if you'd like, I can post the topics of others on the right asking for the wall before Trump ran.

 

[eagle1462010]

Some, actually many, are convinced they can not trust a person who consistently lies and has a long proven record of being a scam artist like Trump. He has a long history of dishonesty and using lies to promote fake and fraudulent enterprises. His many bankruptcies are examples. So many bankruptcies that no American bank will loan him a dollar or dime. Amazingly, his followers ignore this and still call him a wonderful businessman.

People who get scammed often refuse to admit they have been scammed. Trump's wall supporters have fallen for his wall scam and refuse to admit it has been a big scam.

You are kidding.......right?

We wanted a wall long before Trump even thought of running for President. The wall is why we elected him. Unlike every other contender, he heard what we demanded and promised to provide. So we voted for him.

Trump had four bankruptcies in his career of running or owning over 500 companies. That means he had one bankruptcy for every 100 he operated. Find me another businessman with that record. Plus most of his bankruptcies happened during bad economic times when other companies were doing the same.

The Wall was a big aspect for voting for him.

The number one reason was SCOTUS............we couldn't afford to let Hillary make those appointments....because they would do JUDICIAL ACTIVISM ON STEROIDS if she was elected.........

Judicial activism is now forcing ICE to release illegal immigrants again..........through more loop holes in the system...........and that will be challenged in the SCOTUS again..........if Hillary had appointed them........they would have used the SCOTUS to Open the borders WIDE THE FUCK OPEN........

At least we stopped that with Trump........

Not to mention Paris Agreement........TPP and etc..........French are real happy about that Accord right now. LOL

This is true but I think the border is what did it.

Every other candidate on the Republican side talked about the same issues, but only Trump said he was going to put an end to illegal immigration. The others? They talked about immigration reform as if that's what we were screaming about. They talked about how to make the law breakers here citizens. They gave us the same political blah-blah we hear from all politicians.

Only trump stood out. He said he was going to build a wall (something we've been demanding for many years now) and we believed him. Nobody else talked about any wall.

It is always a hot bed item in elections...............because 60 % of the people PLUS want the illegal immigration problem fixed.............and that issue WINS ELECTIONS.......why the left was for it in 2006.

The public will then hold those promises to the fire..............if they don't do it.......well then you have historic loses like the Dems had with Obama's Congress and Senate.........

If Trump doesn't fulfill some of the promises on the Wall and border security he is done in 2020..............and he knows it.

Should be an interesting fight.............if he folds..........well......he will be held accountable in 2020.

Well it's like Rush Limbaugh said so many times "When Democrats want to win elections, they start talking like Republicans."

They can say they are for walls, or fences, or security of any kind, but it's only a dog and pony show. We know they don't what these things by their actions. It's just like when Republicans say they want to defund Planned Parenthood. Once in power, they seem to have more excuses than Democrats.

A farmer was once told that he must do more for the community.............so..........

One day a bus full of politicians crashed into his field......
He decided to do his part and bury them.
The city and police arrived and said, you buried them all.......were they all dead.

He replied............

Well some said they weren't dead but you know how politicians lie.

 

[eagle1462010]

Good boy. Do you fetch and roll over too?

Quote yourself where you were demanding a wall before the blob told you that you wanted one.

That leftist tactic again? Asking for something you know is impossible to get? Right.....like we don't know what you're up to.

However I did try. Unfortunately on USMB, the search engine only retrieves one page of older topics. Otherwise I would show you where I made that statement before Trump ran even though I've only been here since August of 2015. But if you'd like, I can post the topics of others on the right asking for the wall before Trump ran.

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One of my favorites............look at the votes.........

 

[eagle1462010]

Listen to the Bernie Supporters chant.........LOL

 

[WillowTree]

When the politicians mention immigration reform I wonder what they mean. It is all so vague! And, B. I wonder why they think new laws will be enforced when the old ones were just ignored. That’s what I wonder.

 

[JimH52]

Trump's 40' concrete wall evidently now is a fence and only part of the border security program.

So, why isn't there a breakdown of what the money is for?

I mean if it not for that 40' concrete wall, why don't we know more??

5 billion will only pay for about 100 miles if wall...fence....trump's folly.

 

[eagle1462010]

Trump's 40' concrete wall evidently now is a fence and only part of the border security program.

So, why isn't there a breakdown of what the money is for?

I mean if it not for that 40' concrete wall, why don't we know more??

5 billion will only pay for about 100 miles if wall...fence....trump's folly.

Your pulling that out of your ass........currently they have 100 miles of walls, levees, new gates, pedestrian walk ways for POE's for a little over a billion

 

[eagle1462010]

Here you go............the truth ..........and not BS unbacked statements from a liberal clown.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

When the politicians mention immigration reform I wonder what they mean. It is all so vague! And, B. I wonder why they think new laws will be enforced when the old ones were just ignored. That’s what I wonder.

Immigration reform means the foreigners don't like our laws, so we must change our laws to accommodate them.

 

[XponentialChaos]

I'm sure it is. However Donald Trump is not a person to back down. So what we may see is a government shutdown for months if not until 2020. And then people will realize just how worthless all those government workers are.

As for contributions, people on our side are contributing to enforcing our sovereignty and create solutions. People on your side are contributing to breaking laws. Quite a contrast, don't you think?

Just like how he didn't back down with making Mexico pay for the wall?

The government shutdown is fine with me too. It at least makes it more difficult for Trump to fuck anything up if the government isn't even running.

Plus, he's fighting a losing battle. If he caves in, he looks weak to his base. If he continues this, he's fighting a battle that Americans don't want. Lose-lose situation for him.

Americans Don’t Want A Government Shutdown Because Of The Border Wall

Poll: Americans Want Trump To Compromise On Border Wall To Avoid Possible Shutdown

Poll: Majorities oppose Trump's wall funding demand, call for compromise

People on your side are a bunch of racists who just don't like brown people.

And people on your side are members of the anti-white party.

If Trump conducted himself by polls, he would have dropped out of the race after his first primary debate.

Did he back down from having Mexico pay for the wall?

*Crickets*

Where did you go, Ray From Cleveland?

And again, we don't know what his plans are once the funds are appropriated. He may get Mexico to pay it by force. We don't know. He may cut foreign aid, he may tax money Mexican citizens send to Mexico, we just don't know.

Are you so naïve that you STILL think Trump might get Mexico to pay for it?!

HAHAHAHAHAHA

 

[XponentialChaos]

Just like how he didn't back down with making Mexico pay for the wall?

The government shutdown is fine with me too. It at least makes it more difficult for Trump to fuck anything up if the government isn't even running.

Plus, he's fighting a losing battle. If he caves in, he looks weak to his base. If he continues this, he's fighting a battle that Americans don't want. Lose-lose situation for him.

Americans Don’t Want A Government Shutdown Because Of The Border Wall

Poll: Americans Want Trump To Compromise On Border Wall To Avoid Possible Shutdown

Poll: Majorities oppose Trump's wall funding demand, call for compromise

People on your side are a bunch of racists who just don't like brown people.

It's not brown people I don't like, it's folks coming over here to get on Welfare.

Yea I get that. Border security IS an issue and should be addressed. I just don't think a wall is a very cost-effective way to get that done.

And not everyone on the right is a racist piece of shit. But there are A LOT who are.

You're all over the place, so border security is fine but a wall is racist?


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Democrats are fine with border security. They just don't want to fund the wall. Because it's a dumb idea.

No, they don't want to fund it because they know it will work, and they don't want anything that will work.

We don't want it funded because it's a dumb idea. You can keep repeating yourself, insisting what we think, when Trump's very own chief of staff agrees with us.

This isn't complicated. You just have your head too far up Trump's ass to see it.

 

[XponentialChaos]

Democrats are fine with border security. They just don't want to fund the wall. Because it's a dumb idea.

Because you think laws are racist and want to exploit the brown people.

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I didn't say laws are racist.

Of course you did, you think a border wall is racist


How is it racist?

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Don't care. The wall is dumb. The wall isn't going to protect people. The racists want the wall, and fuck what they want.

Reading comprehension issues?

Building a wall isn't racist. Racists want a wall. Notice the distinction.

I hope that clears things up for you and your limited education. If you need more assistance, I'm going to need to start charging you.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

It's not brown people I don't like, it's folks coming over here to get on Welfare.

Yea I get that. Border security IS an issue and should be addressed. I just don't think a wall is a very cost-effective way to get that done.

And not everyone on the right is a racist piece of shit. But there are A LOT who are.

You're all over the place, so border security is fine but a wall is racist?


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Democrats are fine with border security. They just don't want to fund the wall. Because it's a dumb idea.

No, they don't want to fund it because they know it will work, and they don't want anything that will work.

We don't want it funded because it's a dumb idea. You can keep repeating yourself, insisting what we think, when Trump's very own chief of staff agrees with us.

This isn't complicated. You just have your head too far up Trump's ass to see it.

I do? We've proven walls work not only here, but across the world. Yet you keep insisting it's stupid. That's not stupid. What's stupid is taking something that works and not using it yourself to solve a problem.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

Because you think laws are racist and want to exploit the brown people.

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I didn't say laws are racist.

Of course you did, you think a border wall is racist


How is it racist?

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Don't care. The wall is dumb. The wall isn't going to protect people. The racists want the wall, and fuck what they want.

Reading comprehension issues?

Building a wall isn't racist. Racists want a wall. Notice the distinction.

I hope that clears things up for you and your limited education. If you need more assistance, I'm going to need to start charging you.

My goodness, you have no idea WTF you're even saying.

How can wanting a wall built be racist but those who can build the wall not be?