What Is The Republican Alternative To ObamaCare

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My guess is the Right wants to return to the same inadequate health insurance that we've had for years.

That it was "inadequate" was never established with metrics that could have been utilized with regards to understanding the upgrade that Obamacare was supposed to be.

Obamacare was supposed to let you keep your old plan......
Obamacare was supposed to save each of us (below a certain income level) 2500/year.....

Those would have been great if they could have pulled it off.

But many of us knew going in that this was bullsh*t.

You've already established that our old system was inadequate, but again with no metrics that were meaningful (and the whole 60 million uninsured is the biggest political turd to ever hit the airwaves....only Barbara bullsh*t Boxer would still quote that number).

So keep chanting...somehow the human system isn't set up to infinitely resist lies like this.

 

[PMZ]

My guess is the Right wants to return to the same inadequate health insurance that we've had for years.

That it was "inadequate" was never established with metrics that could have been utilized with regards to understanding the upgrade that Obamacare was supposed to be.

Obamacare was supposed to let you keep your old plan......
Obamacare was supposed to save each of us (below a certain income level) 2500/year.....the

Those would have been great if they could have pulled it off.

But many of us knew going in that this was bullsh*t.

You've already established that our old system was inadequate, but again with no metrics that were meaningful (and the whole 60 million uninsured is the biggest political turd to ever hit the airwaves....only Barbara bullsh*t Boxer would still quote that number).

So keep chanting...somehow the human system isn't set up to infinitely resist lies like this.

Two questions.

What were the specifics around: Obamacare was supposed to save each of us (below a certain income level) 2500/year.....

Who said it? When? Below what income level? Etc.

Second, how do you know whether or not it's been delivered?

Also, "(and the whole 60 million uninsured is the biggest political turd to ever hit the airwaves..." who said 60M was the correct number, when, and, if it's not correct, what is, and who is it according to?

 

[Listening]

My guess is the Right wants to return to the same inadequate health insurance that we've had for years.

That it was "inadequate" was never established with metrics that could have been utilized with regards to understanding the upgrade that Obamacare was supposed to be.

Obamacare was supposed to let you keep your old plan......
Obamacare was supposed to save each of us (below a certain income level) 2500/year.....the

Those would have been great if they could have pulled it off.

But many of us knew going in that this was bullsh*t.

You've already established that our old system was inadequate, but again with no metrics that were meaningful (and the whole 60 million uninsured is the biggest political turd to ever hit the airwaves....only Barbara bullsh*t Boxer would still quote that number).

So keep chanting...somehow the human system isn't set up to infinitely resist lies like this.

Two questions.

What were the specifics around: Obamacare was supposed to save each of us (below a certain income level) 2500/year.....

Who said it? When? Below what income level? Etc.

Second, how do you know whether or not it's been delivered?

Also, "(and the whole 60 million uninsured is the biggest political turd to ever hit the airwaves..." who said 60M was the correct number, when, and, if it's not correct, what is, and who is it according to?

Video: 19 Times Obama Promised to Lower Annual Insurance Premiums By $2500

Just an example.....

Why Some Are Seeing Premiums Go Up As Affordable Care Act Goes Into Effect | State of Health Blog from KQED News

Can't wait for the wiggle on this one (what was it that Obama didn't say that we should have known....???....period).

 

[PMZ]

That it was "inadequate" was never established with metrics that could have been utilized with regards to understanding the upgrade that Obamacare was supposed to be.

Obamacare was supposed to let you keep your old plan......
Obamacare was supposed to save each of us (below a certain income level) 2500/year.....the

Those would have been great if they could have pulled it off.

But many of us knew going in that this was bullsh*t.

You've already established that our old system was inadequate, but again with no metrics that were meaningful (and the whole 60 million uninsured is the biggest political turd to ever hit the airwaves....only Barbara bullsh*t Boxer would still quote that number).

So keep chanting...somehow the human system isn't set up to infinitely resist lies like this.

Two questions.

What were the specifics around: Obamacare was supposed to save each of us (below a certain income level) 2500/year.....

Who said it? When? Below what income level? Etc.

Second, how do you know whether or not it's been delivered?

Also, "(and the whole 60 million uninsured is the biggest political turd to ever hit the airwaves..." who said 60M was the correct number, when, and, if it's not correct, what is, and who is it according to?

Video: 19 Times Obama Promised to Lower Annual Insurance Premiums By $2500

Just an example.....

Why Some Are Seeing Premiums Go Up As Affordable Care Act Goes Into Effect | State of Health Blog from KQED News

Can't wait for the wiggle on this one (what was it that Obama didn't say that we should have known....???....period).

How do you know that that hasn't been achieved? To know that you'd have to know what premiums are now, on the average, and what they would have been following the Republican plan of doing nothing.

In addition, anyone with any brain at all looks at health care premiums including oop. It's really simple to find "cheap" health care insurance. Shop for lousy coverage, and don't factor in oop.

How much oop will the elimination of insurance loopholes save the average person and the country as a whole?

 

[PMZ]

Evidence.

From http://m.whitehouse.gov/blog/2013/0...s-consumer-health-care-cost-growth-has-slowed

"Prices for personal consumption expenditures (PCE) on health care goods and services rose just 1.1 percent over the twelve months ending in May 2013, the slowest rate of increase in nearly 50 years. The slowdown in PCE health care inflation has been widespread, with important contributions from two large components: hospital and nursing home services (which comprise 42 percent of total health care expenditures) and outpatient services (which comprise 34 percent of total health care expenditures). As the chart below shows, since March 2010, these two components of health spending have made notably smaller contributions to overall consumer health care inflation than in previous years."

"Consumer prices for health care have risen at the slowest pace in nearly 50 years"

"The slowdown in consumer health care price inflation is consistent with a broad array of other evidence suggesting that the growth rate of health care costs is slowing:"

"Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Employer Costs for Employee Compensation survey indicate that for private sector employers offering health insurance, the annualized growth rate of real (inflation-adjusted) costs for workers’ health insurance has slowed from 2.2 percent a year from 2006:Q4 to 2009:Q4 to 1.8 percent a year from 2009:Q4 to 2012:Q4, with a particularly marked slowdown occurring at smaller establishments. For establishments with fewer than 50 employees, employers’ real costs for workers’ health insurance grew just 1.0 percent a year from 2009:Q4 to 2012:Q4, half the rate observed over the preceding three years. "

" During the past several years, the Congressional Budget Office reports that it “has made a series of downward adjustments to its projections of spending for Medicaid and Medicare.” For example, “mostly reflecting the slower growth in the programs’ spending in recent years,” CBO now expects combined spending on the two programs to be about $200 billion lower in 2020 than what it forecast three years ago."

"From 2009 to 2011, nationwide real per capita health expenditures grew at the slowest pace since reporting began in 1960. "

" In 2012, premium growth for employer-sponsored insurance was at its lowest rate (3 percent) since the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey started in 1996."

"In 13 states that have publicly reported premiums for 2014, the average of the lowest-cost plan is nearly 20 percent below projections based on CBO premiums. This includes New York State, which recently announced that health insurance rates in 2014 will be at least 50 percent lower, on average, than the plans currently available in the state. These substantially more affordable plans will soon be available through the new Health Insurance Marketplace established by the Affordable Care Act. "

 

[PMZ]

ACA update. Website working fine. Telephone help a viable alternative. Insurance companies competing in a standardized way for your business. Very informative. Millions of people with pre-existing conditions spared medical bankruptcy. Emergency and urgent care facilities freed up for their intended purpose.

 

[dblack]

ACA update. Website working fine. Telephone help a viable alternative. Insurance companies competing in a standardized way for your business. Very informative. Millions of people with pre-existing conditions spared medical bankruptcy. Emergency and urgent care facilities freed up for their intended purpose.

In a related note:

Health Care Stocks on a Roll - Survive - Prosper

Good times are here again!

 

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ACA update. Website working fine. Telephone help a viable alternative. Insurance companies competing in a standardized way for your business. Very informative. Millions of people with pre-existing conditions spared medical bankruptcy. Emergency and urgent care facilities freed up for their intended purpose.

How do you know that emergency rooms and urgen care facilities are freed up their intended purpose ?

To know that, you'd need some kind of metric....that you don't have.

Funny how you run for the cover of numbers (and ignore them when they are provided) but don't provide your own.

 

[Listening]

Evidence.

From As ACA Implementation Continues, Consumer Health Care Cost Growth Has Slowed | The White House

"Prices for personal consumption expenditures (PCE) on health care goods and services rose just 1.1 percent over the twelve months ending in May 2013, the slowest rate of increase in nearly 50 years. The slowdown in PCE health care inflation has been widespread, with important contributions from two large components: hospital and nursing home services (which comprise 42 percent of total health care expenditures) and outpatient services (which comprise 34 percent of total health care expenditures). As the chart below shows, since March 2010, these two components of health spending have made notably smaller contributions to overall consumer health care inflation than in previous years."

"Consumer prices for health care have risen at the slowest pace in nearly 50 years"

"The slowdown in consumer health care price inflation is consistent with a broad array of other evidence suggesting that the growth rate of health care costs is slowing:"

"Data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics’ Employer Costs for Employee Compensation survey indicate that for private sector employers offering health insurance, the annualized growth rate of real (inflation-adjusted) costs for workers’ health insurance has slowed from 2.2 percent a year from 2006:Q4 to 2009:Q4 to 1.8 percent a year from 2009:Q4 to 2012:Q4, with a particularly marked slowdown occurring at smaller establishments. For establishments with fewer than 50 employees, employers’ real costs for workers’ health insurance grew just 1.0 percent a year from 2009:Q4 to 2012:Q4, half the rate observed over the preceding three years. "

" During the past several years, the Congressional Budget Office reports that it “has made a series of downward adjustments to its projections of spending for Medicaid and Medicare.” For example, “mostly reflecting the slower growth in the programs’ spending in recent years,” CBO now expects combined spending on the two programs to be about $200 billion lower in 2020 than what it forecast three years ago."

"From 2009 to 2011, nationwide real per capita health expenditures grew at the slowest pace since reporting began in 1960. "

" In 2012, premium growth for employer-sponsored insurance was at its lowest rate (3 percent) since the Medical Expenditure Panel Survey started in 1996."

"In 13 states that have publicly reported premiums for 2014, the average of the lowest-cost plan is nearly 20 percent below projections based on CBO premiums. This includes New York State, which recently announced that health insurance rates in 2014 will be at least 50 percent lower, on average, than the plans currently available in the state. These substantially more affordable plans will soon be available through the new Health Insurance Marketplace established by the Affordable Care Act. "

This is wonderful. From Whitehouse.gove......

 

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Two questions.

What were the specifics around: Obamacare was supposed to save each of us (below a certain income level) 2500/year.....

Who said it? When? Below what income level? Etc.

Second, how do you know whether or not it's been delivered?

Also, "(and the whole 60 million uninsured is the biggest political turd to ever hit the airwaves..." who said 60M was the correct number, when, and, if it's not correct, what is, and who is it according to?

Video: 19 Times Obama Promised to Lower Annual Insurance Premiums By $2500

Just an example.....

Why Some Are Seeing Premiums Go Up As Affordable Care Act Goes Into Effect | State of Health Blog from KQED News

Can't wait for the wiggle on this one (what was it that Obama didn't say that we should have known....???....period).

How do you know that that hasn't been achieved? To know that you'd have to know what premiums are now, on the average, and what they would have been following the Republican plan of doing nothing.

In addition, anyone with any brain at all looks at health care premiums including oop. It's really simple to find "cheap" health care insurance. Shop for lousy coverage, and don't factor in oop.

How much oop will the elimination of insurance loopholes save the average person and the country as a whole?

No, dickweed....

He said 2500 savings. No one I know is saying they are getting the same coverage for 2500 less.

 

[PMZ]

ACA update. Website working fine. Telephone help a viable alternative. Insurance companies competing in a standardized way for your business. Very informative. Millions of people with pre-existing conditions spared medical bankruptcy. Emergency and urgent care facilities freed up for their intended purpose.

In a related note:

Health Care Stocks on a Roll - Survive - Prosper

Good times are here again!

Of course, part of the impetus is the move of many formerly uninsured, from emergency and urgent care facilities into mainstream medical practices. A win for everyone.

 

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"Obamacare Plans Are Worse In Every Regard" - Kevin Glass

Yet another satisfied customer.

 

[PMZ]

"Obamacare Plans Are Worse In Every Regard" - Kevin Glass

Yet another satisfied customer.

That brings the total to four.

Plus a million misinformed Faux Opinions addicts.

 

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"Obamacare Plans Are Worse In Every Regard" - Kevin Glass

Yet another satisfied customer.

That brings the total to four.

Plus a million misinformed Faux Opinions addicts.

One to many...thanks for the apology.

What is a Faux Opinion Addict ?

And your answer to the 2500 bust is ?

 

[PMZ]

"Obamacare Plans Are Worse In Every Regard" - Kevin Glass

Yet another satisfied customer.

That brings the total to four.

Plus a million misinformed Faux Opinions addicts.

One to many...thanks for the apology.

What is a Faux Opinion Addict ?

And your answer to the 2500 bust is ?

A Faux Opinions addict is a person addicted to pre packaged Republican opinions, along with an assortment of half facts, from the GOP propaganda network centered around Fox News.

You have in no way proven that the average savings due to Obamacare, compared to doing nothing, the Republican alternative, is not $2500.

 

[Listening]

That brings the total to four.

Plus a million misinformed Faux Opinions addicts.

One to many...thanks for the apology.

What is a Faux Opinion Addict ?

And your answer to the 2500 bust is ?

A Faux Opinions addict is a person addicted to pre packaged Republican opinions, along with an assortment of half facts, from the GOP propaganda network centered around Fox News.

You have in no way proven that the average savings due to Obamacare, compared to doing nothing, the Republican alternative, is not $2500.

I see....and how do you detect such an addict ?

Oh, I see, the wiggle now starts. You can bet your sorry ass (and that is quite a big bet) that if they achieved those so called savings...we'd be hearing all about it.

And, let's be clear. Our affirmative action moron didn't put that qualifier in his promises. So that isn't the standard. Sorry chief...you can make up what you want...but you are not getting a pass on the bullsh&t claims.

 

[PMZ]

One to many...thanks for the apology.

What is a Faux Opinion Addict ?

And your answer to the 2500 bust is ?

A Faux Opinions addict is a person addicted to pre packaged Republican opinions, along with an assortment of half facts, from the GOP propaganda network centered around Fox News.

You have in no way proven that the average savings due to Obamacare, compared to doing nothing, the Republican alternative, is not $2500.

I see....and how do you detect such an addict ?

Oh, I see, the wiggle now starts. You can bet your sorry ass (and that is quite a big bet) that if they achieved those so called savings...we'd be hearing all about it.

And, let's be clear. Our affirmative action moron didn't put that qualifier in his promises. So that isn't the standard. Sorry chief...you can make up what you want...but you are not getting a pass on the bullsh&t claims.

Detecting addicts is very simple. If you've heard one, you've heard them all, goose stepping through life in perfect step. No thinking required.

It sounds like you have the facts. The average cost of 2014 health care following the Republican do nothing plan and the average under Obamacare.

What are they?

 

[Listening]

A Faux Opinions addict is a person addicted to pre packaged Republican opinions, along with an assortment of half facts, from the GOP propaganda network centered around Fox News.

You have in no way proven that the average savings due to Obamacare, compared to doing nothing, the Republican alternative, is not $2500.

I see....and how do you detect such an addict ?

Oh, I see, the wiggle now starts. You can bet your sorry ass (and that is quite a big bet) that if they achieved those so called savings...we'd be hearing all about it.

And, let's be clear. Our affirmative action moron didn't put that qualifier in his promises. So that isn't the standard. Sorry chief...you can make up what you want...but you are not getting a pass on the bullsh&t claims.

Detecting addicts is very simple. If you've heard one, you've heard them all, goose stepping through life in perfect step. No thinking required.

It sounds like you have the facts. The average cost of 2014 health care following the Republican do nothing plan and the average under Obamacare.

What are they?

I can see that you must be an expert on detecting addicts as it appears that you're recovering yourself.

Study: Obamacare Results in Premium Increase in 45 States - Kevin Glass

Not to hard to come by. I assume you do get our of your cave from time to time.

The odd thing is that Obama never said anything about a delta based on some trajectory. So what was he referencing in those promises. You don't get to fill in the blanks. Find out what he meant in his own words.

Look forward to your reply.

 

[PMZ]

I see....and how do you detect such an addict ?

Oh, I see, the wiggle now starts. You can bet your sorry ass (and that is quite a big bet) that if they achieved those so called savings...we'd be hearing all about it.

And, let's be clear. Our affirmative action moron didn't put that qualifier in his promises. So that isn't the standard. Sorry chief...you can make up what you want...but you are not getting a pass on the bullsh&t claims.

Detecting addicts is very simple. If you've heard one, you've heard them all, goose stepping through life in perfect step. No thinking required.

It sounds like you have the facts. The average cost of 2014 health care following the Republican do nothing plan and the average under Obamacare.

What are they?

I can see that you must be an expert on detecting addicts as it appears that you're recovering yourself.

Study: Obamacare Results in Premium Increase in 45 States - Kevin Glass

Not to hard to come by. I assume you do get our of your cave from time to time.

The odd thing is that Obama never said anything about a delta based on some trajectory. So what was he referencing in those promises. You don't get to fill in the blanks. Find out what he meant in his own words.

Look forward to your reply.

Where are my figures?

You can't claim the an increase year over year means that money isn't saved.

The only way to know is to have the two figures that I asked for.

The 2014 average insurance cost plus oop under Republican do nothing.

The 2014 average insurance cost plus oop under Democrat Obamacare.

 

[Listening]

Detecting addicts is very simple. If you've heard one, you've heard them all, goose stepping through life in perfect step. No thinking required.

It sounds like you have the facts. The average cost of 2014 health care following the Republican do nothing plan and the average under Obamacare.

What are they?

I can see that you must be an expert on detecting addicts as it appears that you're recovering yourself.

Study: Obamacare Results in Premium Increase in 45 States - Kevin Glass

Not to hard to come by. I assume you do get our of your cave from time to time.

The odd thing is that Obama never said anything about a delta based on some trajectory. So what was he referencing in those promises. You don't get to fill in the blanks. Find out what he meant in his own words.

Look forward to your reply.

Where are my figures?

You can't claim the an increase year over year means that money isn't saved.

The only way to know is to have the two figures that I asked for.

The 2014 average insurance cost plus oop under Republican do nothing.

The 2014 average insurance cost plus oop under Democrat Obamacare.

So what did the president mean when he said it (in that compilation 19 times). Go ahead....let hear what he meant.

Give us an example of what you think he meant.

Here is my example.

In 2014, my costs would have been X.

Under Obamacare, my costs would have been X-2500.

Let's hear it.