What is the republican solution to ending mass shootings? Why don’t they ever offer solutions?

[Daryl Hunt]

HERE IS A COMPROMISE:

DEMOCRATS:

1. Stop allowing Democrat Presidents to illegally send thousands of automatic weapons and grenades to Mexican Drug Cartels with the intent to create such a high body count - by sacrificing the lives of innocent men, women and children, to include 4 Americans - to the point where it becomes more politically feasible in the United States to go after altering / eliminating the 2nd Amendment...the way that Barak Obama did.

2. End the continuous stream of Liberal Leftist Extremist violent rhetoric
- Calling for the President's son to be ripped from the 1st Lady's arms, kidnapped, and raped by pedophiles

- Calling for women on the Trump team to be kidnapped, cages, beaten, and raped - all on camera for 'posterity'

- Posing for pictures with a mock bloody decapitated head of the US President in one hand and a bloody knife in the other

- Publicly declaring you have thought about blowing up the WH

- Declaring you want to punch the President and Conservatives in the face

- Engaging in such non-stoop violent rhetoric that you incite an attempted assassination of elected GOP officials resulting in one being gunned down on a public ball field

3. Harshly Publicly Punish Democrats exposed as having paid thugs to go to political opposition rallies and beat and bloody political opposition rallies - stripping that person of their already undeserved Party nomination would have been deserving

4. End the despicable, disgusting 'Politics of Personal Destruction', a strategy in which Democrats do not just try to WIN - certainly not by providing a convincing argument of why they would be a better elected official - but by trying to personally destroy everything about the opposition - their life's work, their word, their reputation, their ability to ever be able to work again, their marriage, their spouses, their children.....

5. Stop inciting / calling for dangerous illegal harassment / confrontation in public of Conservatives / Republicans

6. Tell any 'major political party' who calls for increased violent / violent rhetoric and an 'end to civility until the Democrats take back power' to STFU and strip them of their status as a 'Democratic party Leader' - treat them instead as a Social Leper!

FAKE AND STUPID NEWS!!!!!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Switzerland has a similar program and that's one of the countries that the guncrazies try and use as an example.

I am familiar wist Switzerland's program and I think it is too restrictive for an inalienable right. What I am proposing is a different classification. Class 1 gun owners are normal people who just want what we have now but add in whatever precautionary measures that will allegedly reduce risk. Class 2 would be gun owners who are unrestricted, but the requirement is that they have mandatory training.

You never said whether or not you would agree to something like that.

.

Actually, a mixture of one and 2. There are way too many dangerous (accident prone) gun owners out there that think they are experts. The problem is, we can't easily identify them. So we train everyone like the Swiss does. No training no guns. Once the training is completed, remove the restrictions for the most part. It's already been proven those that go through the training (as in CCW) are the absolute least likely to misuse their weapons either for criminal activity or just plain stupidity. Yes, there are a couple of times reported but, almost always, the 16 hour, including the gun range, seems to get rid of the unsafe one. If you don't pass, you don't get to have a gun. Most will pass. We have unlicensed Open Carry here. Most of these morons running around with their guns on their hips all think they are the second coming of Wyatt Earp. These people don't prevent criminals. All I see, in a pinch, is a Criminal shoot them and getting a brand new fresh gun out of the deal. The CCW folks are a different breed.

 

[jc456]

There have been over 2,350 posts on this worthless thread.

My Progressive good friends are open to one, and only one solution, theirs. Confiscate all guns and radically increase our violent crime rate in America.

Solid answers have been proposed to Progressives but they are not the ones they want, so they lie and say none have been proposed.

The truth, as we know, is that guns will not be confiscated so get over it. The truth too is that mass shootings will never be eliminated. They can be reduced IF we, as Americans, are willing to sacrifice our personal liberties and freedoms. Those liberties and freedoms would include the government being able to hold in custody and placed in mental hospitals those who expressed themselves as a danger. The government has made formal contact with many of the people who have gone on to be mass killers. Do that and the Democrats/Progressives legal wing, the ACLU would erupt!

Tell me where I'm wrong.

And, yet, I have never yet read a single post by anyone on this board advocating the confiscation of guns, with the exception of the NRA which uses this lie on a daily basis in it's fear mongering.

The leadership of the democrat party, the left wingers on the Supreme Court, all state they want to end the 2nd Amendment.....one gun at a time. If they tax guns and bullets, create licensing regimes so onerous, and rules so complicated normal people can't own guns, they have in fact, banned guns...... and instead of taking votes on the gun issues, they have been using the courts..so they don't lose seats to anti gun votes...that is how obama did it.

No they do not. Quit being such a worthless lying POS.

that's precisely what they have done.

 

[jc456]

Switzerland has a similar program and that's one of the countries that the guncrazies try and use as an example.

I am familiar wist Switzerland's program and I think it is too restrictive for an inalienable right. What I am proposing is a different classification. Class 1 gun owners are normal people who just want what we have now but add in whatever precautionary measures that will allegedly reduce risk. Class 2 would be gun owners who are unrestricted, but the requirement is that they have mandatory training.

You never said whether or not you would agree to something like that.

.

Actually, a mixture of one and 2. There are way too many dangerous (accident prone) gun owners out there that think they are experts. The problem is, we can't easily identify them. So we train everyone like the Swiss does. No training no guns. Once the training is completed, remove the restrictions for the most part. It's already been proven those that go through the training (as in CCW) are the absolute least likely to misuse their weapons either for criminal activity or just plain stupidity. Yes, there are a couple of times reported but, almost always, the 16 hour, including the gun range, seems to get rid of the unsafe one. If you don't pass, you don't get to have a gun. Most will pass. We have unlicensed Open Carry here. Most of these morons running around with their guns on their hips all think they are the second coming of Wyatt Earp. These people don't prevent criminals. All I see, in a pinch, is a Criminal shoot them and getting a brand new fresh gun out of the deal. The CCW folks are a different breed.

where's your link?

 

[Daryl Hunt]

There have been over 2,350 posts on this worthless thread.

My Progressive good friends are open to one, and only one solution, theirs. Confiscate all guns and radically increase our violent crime rate in America.

Solid answers have been proposed to Progressives but they are not the ones they want, so they lie and say none have been proposed.

The truth, as we know, is that guns will not be confiscated so get over it. The truth too is that mass shootings will never be eliminated. They can be reduced IF we, as Americans, are willing to sacrifice our personal liberties and freedoms. Those liberties and freedoms would include the government being able to hold in custody and placed in mental hospitals those who expressed themselves as a danger. The government has made formal contact with many of the people who have gone on to be mass killers. Do that and the Democrats/Progressives legal wing, the ACLU would erupt!

Tell me where I'm wrong.

And, yet, I have never yet read a single post by anyone on this board advocating the confiscation of guns, with the exception of the NRA which uses this lie on a daily basis in it's fear mongering.

The leadership of the democrat party, the left wingers on the Supreme Court, all state they want to end the 2nd Amendment.....one gun at a time. If they tax guns and bullets, create licensing regimes so onerous, and rules so complicated normal people can't own guns, they have in fact, banned guns...... and instead of taking votes on the gun issues, they have been using the courts..so they don't lose seats to anti gun votes...that is how obama did it.

No they do not. Quit being such a worthless lying POS.

that's precisely what they have done.

Considering it's the States, not the Feds, are you saying the Red States are doing this? Colorado is a Blue state now and I only see one last gun reg to be added and it deals with the mentally ill. Are you saying that our laws restrict me buying guns and ammo? I can go out, this afternoon, and buy 10 rifles, 4 handguns and 2 shotguns along with 500 rounds of ammo if I want. Do you mean that I should feel restricted while I am doing this? I sure don't feel restricted but if I should feel that way, please let me know.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Switzerland has a similar program and that's one of the countries that the guncrazies try and use as an example.

I am familiar wist Switzerland's program and I think it is too restrictive for an inalienable right. What I am proposing is a different classification. Class 1 gun owners are normal people who just want what we have now but add in whatever precautionary measures that will allegedly reduce risk. Class 2 would be gun owners who are unrestricted, but the requirement is that they have mandatory training.

You never said whether or not you would agree to something like that.

.

Actually, a mixture of one and 2. There are way too many dangerous (accident prone) gun owners out there that think they are experts. The problem is, we can't easily identify them. So we train everyone like the Swiss does. No training no guns. Once the training is completed, remove the restrictions for the most part. It's already been proven those that go through the training (as in CCW) are the absolute least likely to misuse their weapons either for criminal activity or just plain stupidity. Yes, there are a couple of times reported but, almost always, the 16 hour, including the gun range, seems to get rid of the unsafe one. If you don't pass, you don't get to have a gun. Most will pass. We have unlicensed Open Carry here. Most of these morons running around with their guns on their hips all think they are the second coming of Wyatt Earp. These people don't prevent criminals. All I see, in a pinch, is a Criminal shoot them and getting a brand new fresh gun out of the deal. The CCW folks are a different breed.

where's your link?

You don't get out much, do you. My link is right outside my door. My link is at the local gun ranges. My link is at the local quickshop and stop places. Considering I am using where I live as the example, where is YOUR link to prove otherwise?

I was answering Bootney Lee Farnsworth with a followup. He is trying to do a discussion.

 

[jc456]

Switzerland has a similar program and that's one of the countries that the guncrazies try and use as an example.

I am familiar wist Switzerland's program and I think it is too restrictive for an inalienable right. What I am proposing is a different classification. Class 1 gun owners are normal people who just want what we have now but add in whatever precautionary measures that will allegedly reduce risk. Class 2 would be gun owners who are unrestricted, but the requirement is that they have mandatory training.

You never said whether or not you would agree to something like that.

.

Actually, a mixture of one and 2. There are way too many dangerous (accident prone) gun owners out there that think they are experts. The problem is, we can't easily identify them. So we train everyone like the Swiss does. No training no guns. Once the training is completed, remove the restrictions for the most part. It's already been proven those that go through the training (as in CCW) are the absolute least likely to misuse their weapons either for criminal activity or just plain stupidity. Yes, there are a couple of times reported but, almost always, the 16 hour, including the gun range, seems to get rid of the unsafe one. If you don't pass, you don't get to have a gun. Most will pass. We have unlicensed Open Carry here. Most of these morons running around with their guns on their hips all think they are the second coming of Wyatt Earp. These people don't prevent criminals. All I see, in a pinch, is a Criminal shoot them and getting a brand new fresh gun out of the deal. The CCW folks are a different breed.

where's your link?

You don't get out much, do you. My link is right outside my door. My link is at the local gun ranges. My link is at the local quickshop and stop places. Considering I am using where I live as the example, where is YOUR link to prove otherwise?

I was answering Bootney Lee Farnsworth with a followup. He is trying to do a discussion.

I'm out more than you obviously, you claim outside your door. that means you ain't outside idiot.

 

[Rustic]

Lol
This country is not armed well enough... it needs to be better armed.
Buy more guns and ammo...

Yeah we have by far the most guns in the world and our homicide rates are 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. What a deal.

Gun control in Britain has resulted in more violence, not less....and countries with extreme gun control have more gun death than we do...just ask Mexico....

Our homicide rate is 4X higher than Britain. Mexico has corrupt law enforcement.

Sorry, you don't get it both ways....Mexico has extreme gun control, they have only one gun store which is run by the Mexican Military....and yet the drug cartels have advanced military weapons which they use freely to murder innocent....unarmed.....Mexican citizens in the 10s of thousands...somehow the Mexican police aren't corrupt enough to keep the average Mexican citizen unarmed.....

And Murder in Britain was low before they banned guns, and it is low after they banned guns which means that their gun control law had no effect on their murder rate....which, by the way, is now increasing as their young males, raised without fathers, have become killers...

You can't buy a Mexican Gun in Mexico. But the way the Cartels get their guns is Strawman Purchases in Texas and Arizona and then smuggle them south. Chicago gangs get theirs the same way. They go to states with really low gun regs and pay US Citizens to purchase the guns. That Citizen can buy as many guns as they wish without raising any eyebrows. Buying 10 a day almost every day, you can easily equip the Cartel to outgun the 275,000 Mexican Army fast if you have numerous straw buyers. We complain about the Mexicans not doing enough to stop the drugs yet we provide the guns that allow the Cartels to outgun the Mexican Authorities.

 

[Rustic]

Yeah we have by far the most guns in the world and our homicide rates are 4-5X higher than countries with strong gun control. What a deal.

Gun control in Britain has resulted in more violence, not less....and countries with extreme gun control have more gun death than we do...just ask Mexico....

Our homicide rate is 4X higher than Britain. Mexico has corrupt law enforcement.

Sorry, you don't get it both ways....Mexico has extreme gun control, they have only one gun store which is run by the Mexican Military....and yet the drug cartels have advanced military weapons which they use freely to murder innocent....unarmed.....Mexican citizens in the 10s of thousands...somehow the Mexican police aren't corrupt enough to keep the average Mexican citizen unarmed.....

And Murder in Britain was low before they banned guns, and it is low after they banned guns which means that their gun control law had no effect on their murder rate....which, by the way, is now increasing as their young males, raised without fathers, have become killers...

You can't buy a Mexican Gun in Mexico. But the way the Cartels get their guns is Strawman Purchases in Texas and Arizona and then smuggle them south. Chicago gangs get theirs the same way. They go to states with really low gun regs and pay US Citizens to purchase the guns. That Citizen can buy as many guns as they wish without raising any eyebrows. Buying 10 a day almost every day, you can easily equip the Cartel to outgun the 275,000 Mexican Army fast if you have numerous straw buyers. We complain about the Mexicans not doing enough to stop the drugs yet we provide the guns that allow the Cartels to outgun the Mexican Authorities.

It is/wad perfectly legal to walk into a Arizona gun store & buy 70 AR-15s.

Lol
Not really

 

[RealDave]

Gun control in Britain has resulted in more violence, not less....and countries with extreme gun control have more gun death than we do...just ask Mexico....

Our homicide rate is 4X higher than Britain. Mexico has corrupt law enforcement.

Sorry, you don't get it both ways....Mexico has extreme gun control, they have only one gun store which is run by the Mexican Military....and yet the drug cartels have advanced military weapons which they use freely to murder innocent....unarmed.....Mexican citizens in the 10s of thousands...somehow the Mexican police aren't corrupt enough to keep the average Mexican citizen unarmed.....

And Murder in Britain was low before they banned guns, and it is low after they banned guns which means that their gun control law had no effect on their murder rate....which, by the way, is now increasing as their young males, raised without fathers, have become killers...

You can't buy a Mexican Gun in Mexico. But the way the Cartels get their guns is Strawman Purchases in Texas and Arizona and then smuggle them south. Chicago gangs get theirs the same way. They go to states with really low gun regs and pay US Citizens to purchase the guns. That Citizen can buy as many guns as they wish without raising any eyebrows. Buying 10 a day almost every day, you can easily equip the Cartel to outgun the 275,000 Mexican Army fast if you have numerous straw buyers. We complain about the Mexicans not doing enough to stop the drugs yet we provide the guns that allow the Cartels to outgun the Mexican Authorities.

It is/wad perfectly legal to walk into a Arizona gun store & buy 70 AR-15s.

Lol
Not really

"Arizona does NOT restrict the number of firearms being bought at in one transaction"

2018 Arizona Firearms And Ammunition Laws - Lax Ammunition blog

Now, aren't you dumber than shit lol ,lol, lol lol lol lol

 

[Markle]

So the illegals just go to areas that we can't construct walls of any kind. There are places on the border that a wall cannot be built.

And those places are virtually unscalable and can be watched by drones and other types of sensors.

Do you suggest to people that they leave their car unlocked and the front door unlocked too? Why or why not?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

Actually, a mixture of one and 2. There are way too many dangerous (accident prone) gun owners out there that think they are experts. The problem is, we can't easily identify them. So we train everyone like the Swiss does. No training no guns. Once the training is completed, remove the restrictions for the most part. It's already been proven those that go through the training (as in CCW) are the absolute least likely to misuse their weapons either for criminal activity or just plain stupidity. Yes, there are a couple of times reported but, almost always, the 16 hour, including the gun range, seems to get rid of the unsafe one. If you don't pass, you don't get to have a gun. Most will pass. We have unlicensed Open Carry here. Most of these morons running around with their guns on their hips all think they are the second coming of Wyatt Earp. These people don't prevent criminals. All I see, in a pinch, is a Criminal shoot them and getting a brand new fresh gun out of the deal. The CCW folks are a different breed.

I have never liked ope carry for that very reason. I don't want to become a target. I want criminals guessing who is armed.

If all firearm restrictions are removed upon completing training, I am all for it. No license. Only a certificate of completion of training. I would even be in favor of periodic re-certification and re-training.

.

 

[Markle]

they based it on the retaliation rule. create a scenario to engage your enemy and your enemy will defend itself. It is then the time to point a finger and say see, they are violent. Football players do it frequently.

Or create an idea that the occurrence actually happened whether it did or did not. Then present it enough times where it appears to have a sliver of truth to it. Once the perception of truth emerges, run with it hard. Use it to cover up any useful information that might be a negative for yourself. We see that even in here.

so you deny the fact they were there?

Do you deny the MSM pointed at trump supporters when they defended themselves?

Just asking since you said it was made up. well what say you?

That must be it because we all know Donald Trump NEVER EVER encourages violence.

Has he ever told his supporters to "get in their faces" "put your fingers in their food" "don't allow them to speak" "go to their homes, their work places, on the street, in the car, shut them down" ? NO, never anything like what the dems, media, and hollyloonies are saying every day.

Your bullshit doesn't fly, the violence we are seeing today is driven by the left and their crazed inability to accept defeat.

He has told his supporters to confront protesters with violence. He offered to cover their legal fees.

Get in their faces means to confront them verbally.

Trump is President. He is supposed to act like he is older than 8 years old. He is supposed to tell the truth. He is not supposed to spread hate & violence,

So really, don't even try to pretend that he doesn't.

And furthermore, this childish excuse you use " but but but johnny does it" is a true picture of your feeble mindedness.

Grow the fuck up.

 

[beagle9]

So the illegals just go to areas that we can't construct walls of any kind. There are places on the border that a wall cannot be built.

And those places are virtually unscalable and can be watched by drones and other types of sensors.

Do you suggest to people that they leave their car unlocked and the front door unlocked too? Why or why not?

These people live in a virtual world that is removed from the real world. They are here to pick people's brains in order to learn how to cope and understand the world around them better, and to best understand the world in which they want to manipulate way on better than ever before. Otherwise to somehow change it or counter it in everyway possible.

But the problem that comes, is when they act as if they know all the answers, but the real truth is that they are learning as they go, and they are trying to reshape our world because it doesn't fit into the world they are attempting to create as a new.

Well maybe we don't want the crazy world people like the libs wants for us, so will the various groups attempt to force it all upon us ??? Of course they will (no doubt). It is why they hate everything now, because we just won't capitulate.

Hollyweird is even worse than these cats are, especially when it comes to trying to force us through our minds to be brainwashed into just buying into the snake oil in which they are selling these days. Ain't happening.

 

[Rustic]

Our homicide rate is 4X higher than Britain. Mexico has corrupt law enforcement.

Sorry, you don't get it both ways....Mexico has extreme gun control, they have only one gun store which is run by the Mexican Military....and yet the drug cartels have advanced military weapons which they use freely to murder innocent....unarmed.....Mexican citizens in the 10s of thousands...somehow the Mexican police aren't corrupt enough to keep the average Mexican citizen unarmed.....

And Murder in Britain was low before they banned guns, and it is low after they banned guns which means that their gun control law had no effect on their murder rate....which, by the way, is now increasing as their young males, raised without fathers, have become killers...

You can't buy a Mexican Gun in Mexico. But the way the Cartels get their guns is Strawman Purchases in Texas and Arizona and then smuggle them south. Chicago gangs get theirs the same way. They go to states with really low gun regs and pay US Citizens to purchase the guns. That Citizen can buy as many guns as they wish without raising any eyebrows. Buying 10 a day almost every day, you can easily equip the Cartel to outgun the 275,000 Mexican Army fast if you have numerous straw buyers. We complain about the Mexicans not doing enough to stop the drugs yet we provide the guns that allow the Cartels to outgun the Mexican Authorities.

It is/wad perfectly legal to walk into a Arizona gun store & buy 70 AR-15s.

Lol
Not really

"Arizona does NOT restrict the number of firearms being bought at in one transaction"

2018 Arizona Firearms And Ammunition Laws - Lax Ammunition blog

Now, aren't you dumber than shit lol ,lol, lol lol lol lol

Lol
As the way it should be...

 

[Daryl Hunt]

So the illegals just go to areas that we can't construct walls of any kind. There are places on the border that a wall cannot be built.

And those places are virtually unscalable and can be watched by drones and other types of sensors.

Do you suggest to people that they leave their car unlocked and the front door unlocked too? Why or why not?

Trying to watch over 3000 miles of border is a touch one. Especially when they don't have enough drones and people since that money is going to go to building that Wall in areas that the wall can be built leaving the other areas undefended. And yes, the undefended areas will be very dangerous to cross. But that hasn't stopped the crossings yet.

 

[Daryl Hunt]

Actually, a mixture of one and 2. There are way too many dangerous (accident prone) gun owners out there that think they are experts. The problem is, we can't easily identify them. So we train everyone like the Swiss does. No training no guns. Once the training is completed, remove the restrictions for the most part. It's already been proven those that go through the training (as in CCW) are the absolute least likely to misuse their weapons either for criminal activity or just plain stupidity. Yes, there are a couple of times reported but, almost always, the 16 hour, including the gun range, seems to get rid of the unsafe one. If you don't pass, you don't get to have a gun. Most will pass. We have unlicensed Open Carry here. Most of these morons running around with their guns on their hips all think they are the second coming of Wyatt Earp. These people don't prevent criminals. All I see, in a pinch, is a Criminal shoot them and getting a brand new fresh gun out of the deal. The CCW folks are a different breed.

I have never liked ope carry for that very reason. I don't want to become a target. I want criminals guessing who is armed.

If all firearm restrictions are removed upon completing training, I am all for it. No license. Only a certificate of completion of training. I would even be in favor of periodic re-certification and re-training.

.

Careful, you are turning to the Dark Side.

 

[cwise76]

Or create an idea that the occurrence actually happened whether it did or did not. Then present it enough times where it appears to have a sliver of truth to it. Once the perception of truth emerges, run with it hard. Use it to cover up any useful information that might be a negative for yourself. We see that even in here.

so you deny the fact they were there?

Do you deny the MSM pointed at trump supporters when they defended themselves?

Just asking since you said it was made up. well what say you?

That must be it because we all know Donald Trump NEVER EVER encourages violence.

Has he ever told his supporters to "get in their faces" "put your fingers in their food" "don't allow them to speak" "go to their homes, their work places, on the street, in the car, shut them down" ? NO, never anything like what the dems, media, and hollyloonies are saying every day.

Your bullshit doesn't fly, the violence we are seeing today is driven by the left and their crazed inability to accept defeat.

He has told his supporters to confront protesters with violence. He offered to cover their legal fees.

Get in their faces means to confront them verbally.

Trump is President. He is supposed to act like he is older than 8 years old. He is supposed to tell the truth. He is not supposed to spread hate & violence,

So really, don't even try to pretend that he doesn't.

And furthermore, this childish excuse you use " but but but johnny does it" is a true picture of your feeble mindedness.

Grow the fuck up.

What a pile of horse shit. You fuckers are so dumb it’s mind boggling

 

[basquebromance]

let's kumbaya this! let's find the middle ground!

 

[Daryl Hunt]

let's kumbaya this! let's find the middle ground!

I'm already in the middle ground but the bomb craters are a bitch to walk around.