What Leftism Does to People

[The T]

Any unchecked political belief will destroy a country.

Really cool.....

My favorite part

.When the state is permitted to make the individual’s moral choices, the individual is forced to become either a slave or a criminal;

No wonder everyone fears Libruls

And yet, that is exactly what happens in left wing societies. For example, in the UK, the Catholic Adoption Agency was forced to close - because the law in the UK is that any adoption agency must accept gay couples as parents. That is against Catholic doctrine. Now, this is probably not a big deal to you (and frankly, as an individual, I have no problem with gay adoption).... however, for the sake of political correctness... Catholics are left in much more difficult circumstances. Whether I agree with them or not, they should have the right to choose to put their child up for adoption through a Catholic agency if they want to.

I could list endless examples of how their state runs roughshod over basic individual rights. But I suspect I am wasting my effort... the left will dismiss it anyway.... because they'll agree with the decisions and not see the problem of taking people's individual rights and responsibility away.

How about we keep it simple as to Liberty of the individual?

 

[tinydancer]

ETA: disclaimer I have no problem with gays adopting when cleared like everyone else.

 

[The T]

The problem with the left's view of liberty is less liberty, all in the name of protecting liberty.

And for thier power over what liberty they wish to dole out? Flies in the face of the Republic we were given.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

How about we keep it simple as to Liberty of the individual?

You first.

 

[tinydancer]

Any unchecked political belief will destroy a country.

And yet, that is exactly what happens in left wing societies. For example, in the UK, the Catholic Adoption Agency was forced to close - because the law in the UK is that any adoption agency must accept gay couples as parents. That is against Catholic doctrine. Now, this is probably not a big deal to you (and frankly, as an individual, I have no problem with gay adoption).... however, for the sake of political correctness... Catholics are left in much more difficult circumstances. Whether I agree with them or not, they should have the right to choose to put their child up for adoption through a Catholic agency if they want to.

I could list endless examples of how their state runs roughshod over basic individual rights. But I suspect I am wasting my effort... the left will dismiss it anyway.... because they'll agree with the decisions and not see the problem of taking people's individual rights and responsibility away.

How about we keep it simple as to Liberty of the individual?

I swear they don't get it at all.

I love what you have. You have a true republic. It's awesome.

 

[Luissa]

First off, he should have checked out the demographics of the Occupy movement before cOmmenting on their characteristics. Second, yes the Tea Party protests were peaceful and didn't cause any problems for anyone, which is nothing like the original tea party. The establishment doesn't listen if you are convient and polite. We are a society that was built by men who made the establishment ie The British's life uneasy, and by upsetting how they did business. The only thing the Tea Party accomplished was electing officials who have just fallen in line.
Also, the majority of OWS are self proclaimed independents.

So setting their voting affiliations and/or self-described poltical group aside, what are they protesting Luissa? What solutions are they promoting? Leftist ones? Or conservative ones?

Most protests are about being liberal, because being conservative in the true sense of the word never brings change. If the revolutionist in our country had been true conservatives we would still be under British rule. And in today conservatives would view the Boston tea party as a bunch of ill mannered entitled protesters.

 

[The Rabbi]

First off, he should have checked out the demographics of the Occupy movement before cOmmenting on their characteristics. Second, yes the Tea Party protests were peaceful and didn't cause any problems for anyone, which is nothing like the original tea party. The establishment doesn't listen if you are convient and polite. We are a society that was built by men who made the establishment ie The British's life uneasy, and by upsetting how they did business. The only thing the Tea Party accomplished was electing officials who have just fallen in line.
Also, the majority of OWS are self proclaimed independents.

The Tea Party had a huge influence on the 2010 elections. So your thesis is flat out wrong.

 

[The Rabbi]

Leftism results in destruction. This is because Leftism is all about removing responsibility and ownership from people. When people have no self-interest they treat it poorly. The shitters do not own Zuccotti Park. Therefore they litter and do whatever they want because, hey it's someone else's problem.
Virtually every aspect of socialism results in destruction because there is no responsibility. Every unaccountable board punts to a CYA/Dont Rock The Boat mentality that fails to achieve anything. It is The Death of Common Sense, and the book by that name details all this.

 

[Katzndogz]

The original Tea Partiers were wealthy, believed in self direction and paid for every leaf of tea dumped into the harbor with money and apologies.

If the shitters would only pay for the damage they do, they might approach the original Tea Party.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Conservatives clearly are throwing stones while living in a glass house; they’re in no position to criticize liberals.

 

[The Rabbi]

Conservatives clearly are throwing stones while living in a glass house; they’re in no position to criticize liberals.

Clearly you don't have a clue what you are talking about.

 

[The T]

First off, he should have checked out the demographics of the Occupy movement before cOmmenting on their characteristics. Second, yes the Tea Party protests were peaceful and didn't cause any problems for anyone, which is nothing like the original tea party. The establishment doesn't listen if you are convient and polite. We are a society that was built by men who made the establishment ie The British's life uneasy, and by upsetting how they did business. The only thing the Tea Party accomplished was electing officials who have just fallen in line.
Also, the majority of OWS are self proclaimed independents.

So setting their voting affiliations and/or self-described poltical group aside, what are they protesting Luissa? What solutions are they promoting? Leftist ones? Or conservative ones?

Most protests are about being liberal, because being conservative in the true sense of the word never brings change. If the revolutionist in our country had been true conservatives we would still be under British rule. And in today conservatives would view the Boston tea party as a bunch of ill mannered entitled protesters.

Why change was has worked...and just becuase a bunch of petulants that have a hard time running thier lives seek to destroy liberty of others by law, and at the point of a gun because they refuse to grow the Hell up and be responsible for themselves?

 

[tinydancer]

First off, he should have checked out the demographics of the Occupy movement before cOmmenting on their characteristics. Second, yes the Tea Party protests were peaceful and didn't cause any problems for anyone, which is nothing like the original tea party. The establishment doesn't listen if you are convient and polite. We are a society that was built by men who made the establishment ie The British's life uneasy, and by upsetting how they did business. The only thing the Tea Party accomplished was electing officials who have just fallen in line.
Also, the majority of OWS are self proclaimed independents.

The Tea Party had a huge influence on the 2010 elections. So your thesis is flat out wrong.

they don't get it at all do they? we whooped their asses to kingdom come, but they still think they are in charge. you have to love democrat assholes.

too funny. I'm gearing up for these bozos. winter is a long time for me. I'm thinking I can do some damage this year.

Hey, now we are set for a number of years. Good to go. Snows gonna come in.

 

[Luissa]

First off, he should have checked out the demographics of the Occupy movement before cOmmenting on their characteristics. Second, yes the Tea Party protests were peaceful and didn't cause any problems for anyone, which is nothing like the original tea party. The establishment doesn't listen if you are convient and polite. We are a society that was built by men who made the establishment ie The British's life uneasy, and by upsetting how they did business. The only thing the Tea Party accomplished was electing officials who have just fallen in line.
Also, the majority of OWS are self proclaimed independents.

The Tea Party had a huge influence on the 2010 elections. So your thesis is flat out wrong.

So? What have they accomplished since then? They have not changed anything, our country is no better off. The establishment is still running strong, and most have joined right in. African Americans elected people before the Civil Rights movement, but it took inconvenient protests for them to get anything done.

 

[Luissa]

Do you have any real points other than name calling? And yes you guys took over the house, but what have you done?

First off, he should have checked out the demographics of the Occupy movement before cOmmenting on their characteristics. Second, yes the Tea Party protests were peaceful and didn't cause any problems for anyone, which is nothing like the original tea party. The establishment doesn't listen if you are convient and polite. We are a society that was built by men who made the establishment ie The British's life uneasy, and by upsetting how they did business. The only thing the Tea Party accomplished was electing officials who have just fallen in line.
Also, the majority of OWS are self proclaimed independents.

The Tea Party had a huge influence on the 2010 elections. So your thesis is flat out wrong.

they don't get it at all do they? we whooped their asses to kingdom come, but they still think they are in charge. you have to love democrat assholes.

too funny. I'm gearing up for these bozos. winter is a long time for me. I'm thinking I can do some damage this year.

Hey, now we are set for a number of years. Good to go. Snows gonna come in.

 

[The Rabbi]

First off, he should have checked out the demographics of the Occupy movement before cOmmenting on their characteristics. Second, yes the Tea Party protests were peaceful and didn't cause any problems for anyone, which is nothing like the original tea party. The establishment doesn't listen if you are convient and polite. We are a society that was built by men who made the establishment ie The British's life uneasy, and by upsetting how they did business. The only thing the Tea Party accomplished was electing officials who have just fallen in line.
Also, the majority of OWS are self proclaimed independents.

The Tea Party had a huge influence on the 2010 elections. So your thesis is flat out wrong.

So? What have they accomplished since then? They have not changed anything, our country is no better off. The establishment is still running strong, and most have joined right in. African Americans elected people before the Civil Rights movement, but it took inconvenient protests for them to get anything done.

Trying to cover yourself much?
You said, the establishment doesnt listen to people who are polite. You admit the Tea Party was polite. I point out the Tea Party had a huge impact on 2010, and continues to do so. And now you want to refute that by saying they havent fixed every problem.
Grow up. Politics doesnt work like that.
What have they accomplished? Tax increases are off the table in any deal the GOP has a hand in. That is solely Tea Party electees and influence. The GOP probably would have agreed to small increases to get other things, but the pressure from the TP and those they elected was too much.
No, they didnt stage an armed revolt. That's true. The OWS seems to be staging an armed revolt and their only effect will be to alienate everyone else in America.

 

[The Rabbi]

Do you have any real points other than name calling? And yes you guys took over the house, but what have you done?

The Tea Party had a huge influence on the 2010 elections. So your thesis is flat out wrong.

they don't get it at all do they? we whooped their asses to kingdom come, but they still think they are in charge. you have to love democrat assholes.

too funny. I'm gearing up for these bozos. winter is a long time for me. I'm thinking I can do some damage this year.

Hey, now we are set for a number of years. Good to go. Snows gonna come in.

What does control of the House allow one to do?
The GOP has blocked any more multi thousand page bills that purport to solve all our problems by throwing borrowed money and regulations at them. That alone was worthwhile.

 

[Luissa]

No offense, but your post doesn't make sense.

So setting their voting affiliations and/or self-described poltical group aside, what are they protesting Luissa? What solutions are they promoting? Leftist ones? Or conservative ones?

Most protests are about being liberal, because being conservative in the true sense of the word never brings change. If the revolutionist in our country had been true conservatives we would still be under British rule. And in today conservatives would view the Boston tea party as a bunch of ill mannered entitled protesters.

Why change was has worked...and just becuase a bunch of petulants that have a hard time running thier lives seek to destroy liberty of others by law, and at the point of a gun because they refuse to grow the Hell up and be responsible for themselves?

 

[bripat9643]

Lots of leftists say things like that. You will never see honorable people claiming there's no difference between honor and corruption. Only the corrupt will claim there is no difference.

The whole left vs right thing is just a distraction. It's what the powers at be (both sides) do in order to keep themselves in power. Whoever classifies themselves as a "leftist" or a "rightist" has already fallen for the brainwashing of the media/politicians. Is it any wonder why people who question both sides are called radicals? The real radical is somebody who believes/supports one belief system in it's entirety-because they're told to.

In other words: anybody who agrees with any set of political beliefs 100% isn't thinking. Because when the left calls Bush out on disregarding the constitution to wage war-but don't hold the same standards to Obama...it's because he's "on their side". Same thing when the right didn't mind Bush starting Iraq at that time, yet now call Obama out for Libya. It's being good little soldiers and following the orders the leaders of the parties tell you to do.

 

[Foxfyre]

So Luissa admits the Occupy groups are leftist/liberal in their ideology because otherwise there would be no change at all. This only illustrates a very poor understanding of what Modern American Conservatism is all about--a conservatism that is universally pushed by the Tea Party and similar groups. Anybody want to suggest any of the Tea Party or similar groups are promoting the status quo or that they haven't proposed any change in what is going on now?

And yet they have been good citizens, good stewards and guests on the property where they held their rallies, they didn't destroy property or terrorize anybody, and they cleaned up after themselves when they left. Folks just about anybody would be happy to have around. The Tea Partiers are not demanding that the government GIVE them anything whatsoever, but rather are demanding that government be good stewards of the taxpayer dollar and treat it with the respect that the taxpayer does--in other words follow its Constitutional responsibilities.

Some of the Occupy groups haven't been all that violent or destructive, but many have been, have hurt businesses in the area, have destroyed, damaged, defaced property, left filth behind, and the few that can formulate a coherent sentence when asked all WANT somebody else to give them something that they want.

So how can anybody possibly say that Klaven's observations about that are in any way incorrect? And if his observations are therefore correct, is it leftism that produces groups like OWS and similar 'Occupy' groups? And do you condone that?

ATTENTION: Racism, GWB or any previous administration, abortion, sexism, gay rights, military action, etc. etc. etc. all make wonderful topics, but in this thread please focus on Klaven's thesis in the OP. And if all you are here for is to bash somebody or make insulting remarks please mark the fourth poll option and advise us that you did so that we can save ourselves time by scrolling over your posts.