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Here is my suggestion for U.S. policy towards the Ukraine conflict:
1. Offer Russia a cease fire agreement. If they agree, we will stop further military aid to Ukraine and will oppose its membership in NATO.
2. If Russia does not agree, we will start placing nuclear missiles all along its borders with NATO countries.
What say you?
Do you mean the EU or European NATO members?Tell Europe to handle it
Umm, yes.Umm, no.
To prevent Russia from winning and looping in more nations to assist. Taiwan is next, so this is only a precursor test IMO.
NO involvement. No support of any kind. No interference. Itβs not our problem, let them handle it beteeen themselves (militarily or diplomatically)And stop all supply of military material and demand Ukraine seek peace talks
Vlad's Nads Give Soyboys the SadsRight directly to the point on America needing another pushover.
And to the point on the reason why Putin is so hated and demonized by America, while being honoured by over 95% of the Russian people.
You're advocating the ongoing slaughter of the Ukrainian people. That can only result in a fight to the last standing ukrainian.
Nobody here is βadvocating the ongoing slaughter of the Ukrainian people.β That is unworthy defeatist pro-Putin propaganda. Most everybody wants this terrible war to end. But how? With what result?And stop all supply of military material and demand Ukraine seek peace talks.
You missed a few things.Nobody here is βadvocating the ongoing slaughter of the Ukrainian people.β That is unworthy defeatist pro-Putin propaganda. Most everybody wants this terrible war to end. But how? With what result?
I feared the situation was drifting toward disaster since the βMaidan Revolutionβ β which was enthusiastically welcomed in the West and hated by βGreat Russian nationalistsβ and Russian oligarchs who feared they were losing their power over Ukraine. As popular as it was in Kiev and most β but not all β of the country, it doomed the possibility that Ukraine could be a successful binational neutral state β something rightwingers here who hate βmulticulturalismβ normally say is unworkable in the U.S. or anywhere.
Putinβs response to the Maidan Revolution, especially his invasion of 2022, made it clear to all Ukrainian nationalists, including many or most Russian native speakers (Zelensky is one such!) that Russiaβs aggression had to be defeated once and for all. Putin in 2022 decided to destroy Ukraine as an independent nation with a democratic pro-Western government.
That was then. The U.S. and Europe has not been wrong in helping the Ukrainian govβt resist Putinβs bloody invasion. A decisive victory of one side or the other, however, is not inevitable. If the war remains deadlocked for long near the present front lines, then negotiations will become possible, the fighting could die down, missile attacks can slow, and a temporary cease fire be implemented.
Ukrainian optimism about its ability to regain all lands taken by Russia in 2022, let alone Crimea, is faltering. So is confidence in the West. Russia almost saw Putin overthrown, and there is no certainty Russia will even remain a unified state, let alone conquer much more of Ukraine.
All talk about sending U.S. or NATO troops into battle should be opposed, as should talk about stopping all assistance to Ukraine. But as opportunities arise, Ukraine, NATO & Russia will probably all need to agree to trade βland for peace.β
As you know I have discussed the reality (not your misrepresentation) of all those events elsewhere at length and in detail.You missed a few things.
Had O, Nuland, and company not overthrown the duly elected government in 2014 and then supported Ukraine attacking and killing 14k in the Donbas, and then undermining the Minsk Accords, this war never happens.
Okay but had the US not supported and helped to foment the revolution, it doesnβt happen. Secondly, had the US used its power to stop the killing in the Donbas it stops. Thirdly, had the US supported rather than undermined Minsk Z signs a peace treaty. Fourthly, had the US not supplied massive wesponry the war ends. And had the US said no NATO for Ukraine, war is avoided.As you know I have discussed the reality (not your misrepresentation) of all those events elsewhere at length and in detail.
The U.S. did not itself overthrow the Ukrainian government in 2014. That is Russian propaganda. The Ukrainian nationalist Maidan movement in Kiev was a popular rebellion in Kiev that overthrew a corrupt (but previously elected) regime, and iirc even a majority of the regimeβs own parliamentary party joined shortly afterward in denouncing the ex-President Victor Yanukovych, who fled to Russia, and voted that he was no longer President.
Similarly, the death of over 10,000 fighters and civilians in the Donbass region over 8 years after 2014 was a tragedy, but that number includes fighters and civilians on both sides. Without actual Russian military and private mercenary soldiers sent from Russia to help and ultimately direct the Ukrainian pro-Russian secessionists there, the fighting would have ended by 2015 with a complete re-establishment of Ukrainian state power. There would have no βmassacresβ in that case, either.
I agree the Minsk Accords represented the best possible basis for a negotiated settlement after 2014, and Zelensky himself β elected as a βpeace candidateβ β was seeking to use them to work out a peace deal, but it was the Ukrainian military that opposed this idea and prevented their being adopted. It is hardly certain that even with an accord agreement the war in Donbass would have ended and the Russian invasion of 2022 been prevented.
There is plenty more I left out here, and plenty of blame to go around. The U.S. is no βinnocentβ in this matter, nor did it always show good judgement or try to keep Ukraine neutral over the last 30 years, but it is not the invader of a sovereign country here either.
Who benefited greatly from the Ukraine conflict?Here is my suggestion for U.S. policy towards the Ukraine conflict:
1. Offer Russia a cease fire agreement. If they agree, we will stop further military aid to Ukraine and will oppose its membership in NATO.
2. If Russia does not agree, we will start placing nuclear missiles all along its borders with NATO countries.
What say you?
This is not only not βclearβ but outright wrong. The U.S. did not want Putin to invade, and the U.S. afterwards did not even expect the Ukrainians to succeed in holding onto Kiev.Clearly the USG wanted this war.
FUCK UKRAINEβ¦let them all die.Here is my suggestion for U.S. policy towards the Ukraine conflict:
1. Offer Russia a cease fire agreement. If they agree, we will stop further military aid to Ukraine and will oppose its membership in NATO.
2. If Russia does not agree, we will start placing nuclear missiles all along its borders with NATO countries.
What say you?
It was moved because the topic hurt someoneβs feelingsβ¦ The same reason they are almost all moved.Do you mean the EU or European NATO members?
P.S. Did you move this thread on U.S. Policy (i.e, Politics) to General Global Topics? If so, why?
What should U.S. policy be towards the Ukraine conflict?
Isn't this about three years too late?Here is my suggestion for U.S. policy towards the Ukraine conflict:
1. Offer Russia a cease fire agreement. If they agree, we will stop further military aid to Ukraine and will oppose its membership in NATO.
2. If Russia does not agree, we will start placing nuclear missiles all along its borders with NATO countries.
What say you?
Do you mean 20 years, as in Vietnam and Afghanistan?None of the above. We keep assisting Ukraine as we are doing as long as they have the will to fight.
China has been given the green light to take Taiwan just as President Biden also gave the green light to President Putin to invade Ukraine.So Russia is going to attack Taiwan?
FUCK UKRAINEβ¦let them all die.
Spend the billions on our needy Veterans, on trying to improve negroes and on eradicating every single illegal alien AND THEIR SPAWN from our nation.