What will low income people do for healthcare if they lose their Obamacare?

[RealDave]

The folks who want the "freedom" to pay "their own way" don't realize that, in that system, they're also paying for those who can't, in the form of taxes, higher premiums and higher costs.

Why is this so difficult to understand?
.

Everyone understands it.

What you don't understand is this
"The Federal Government's $146 Billion Obamacare Boo-Boo"
The Federal Government's $146 Billion Obamacare Boo-Boo -- The Motley Fool

"...the exchanges are on the brink of collapse. Major insurers are quitting, premiums are skyrocketing, enrollment is below expectations, and the administration is taking increasingly desperate measures to paper over the problems. By this time next year, the exchanges could be out of business."
Read more at: More Duct Tape Won’t Save Obamacare’s Collapsing Exchanges

Replacing a lousy law with another lousy law has nothing to do with my point.
.

I just proved the costs associated with ObamaCare are dramatic.

Get it?

And the ACA has revenue sources to cover it. Get it?

 

[Mac1958]

The folks who want the "freedom" to pay "their own way" don't realize that, in that system, they're also paying for those who can't, in the form of taxes, higher premiums and higher costs.

Why is this so difficult to understand?
.

Everyone understands it.

What you don't understand is this
"The Federal Government's $146 Billion Obamacare Boo-Boo"
The Federal Government's $146 Billion Obamacare Boo-Boo -- The Motley Fool

"...the exchanges are on the brink of collapse. Major insurers are quitting, premiums are skyrocketing, enrollment is below expectations, and the administration is taking increasingly desperate measures to paper over the problems. By this time next year, the exchanges could be out of business."
Read more at: More Duct Tape Won’t Save Obamacare’s Collapsing Exchanges

Replacing a lousy law with another lousy law has nothing to do with my point.
.

I just proved the costs associated with ObamaCare are dramatic.

Get it?

Of course I get it. You chose to change the subject. I pointed out the obvious, that the folks who want the "freedom" to pay "their own way" don't realize that, in that system, they're also paying for those who can't, in the form of taxes, higher premiums and higher costs.

That's when you changed the subject to the ACA.
.

 

[RealDave]

Funny Chit. We are supposed to be an advanced society where we take care of the old, poor, & sick people.

You selfish fucks should pack up your shit & move to some third world country where people starve & die in the streets while you PRETEND that you are soooooo far above them.

Funny how I hear your crock from people pretending to be Christian.

You right whiners keep telling me this is a Christian country. Well then act like it. Quit your constant ewhining.

I bet you have received some government benefits yourself.

Let's take that huge leap of imagination and picture you with an actual education.

You might comprehend the choices, and not the comic book version of life.

Here's a treatise you haven't read: Tocqueville.


Alexis de Tocqueville, writing “Democracy in America” in the 1830’s, described “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate.”

As he predicted, this power is “absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle,” and it “works willingly for their happiness, but it wishes to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principal affairs, directs their industry, regulates their testaments, divides their inheritances.”

It is entirely proper to ask, as he asked, whether it can “relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and of the effort associated with living.”


Imbeciles like you mirror the view of Franklin Roosevelt and his condottieri....

The attitude of the FDR government can be seen in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor:
“[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
From a speech delivered on the Senate floor
May 14, 1943 Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism


There is nothing Christian about socialism.

So, you trash your Christian values if you think it means socialism?

The Bible does not endorse socialism.
It is a fabrication used to persuade the most stupid among us to turn over their free will to big government.
Raise your paw.

Jesus said if you see a person who needs help, help them without any question.

You & your anti-Christian ilk judge poor people. You call them lazy. You say they do not deserve help.

I have news, you will spend eternity in Hell like most of your "Oh I am so Christian" Republicans.

A lesson in religion???

Sure....I never mind teaching socialist dunces like you: take notes-

1. So.....socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, et al


2. Coercion, forced 'giving,' .....governmental theft.....is hardly the basis for charity.
Religion...the Judeo-Christian ones, at least, are based on free will.....not submission.

A principle of the Bible is that there are blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience. God is not forcing people to obey His law. Blessings are the natural result of obeying His laws and principles. Generosity and sharing with those in need are biblical commands.

.... under God’s system...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all! God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Christianity.


Had God wanted to create robots that flawlessly keep His law, He could have. If He wanted to use the overwhelming force of government to impose His will on people, He could have. But God is concerned about people developing character, and this only happens through free choice." Is God a Socialist?




3. Two thousand years ago, Jesus taught the principle of free-market capitalism in the parable of the talents.


Matthew 25:14-30English Standard Version
The Parable of the Talents
14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants[a]and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents,[b] to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money.

19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.’23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents.



29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’





Bottom line: there is no religious basis for socialism in any form. Any such suggestion is merely an attempt by one of the shameful six...
....communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism,...

...to cloak itself in the rectitude of the Bible.


Capiche?
Or....will you continue to be a moron?

So, Jesus never said to help the poor. Help the sick. Help people in need.

I love it when you pretend Trumpish Christians have to lie about what the Bible says to hide you lack of Christian beliefs & actions.

Jesus said to help people without judgement.

 

[ricechickie]

Unless I've missed something, we do not live in a socialist country. Nor have we amended our Constitution to permit Government (the taxpayers) to pay for healthcare for all.

Hence, we have the observable phenomena that :

People with money tend to eat better than people without money;

They tend to have nicer clothes;

They tend to live in safer, more posh places;

They tend to send their kids to better schools (all the way through college), whether public or private;

They get better healthcare.

To the extent that healthcare is a high priority, people who are "poor" have to seek out whatever resources are available and exploit them to the extent necessary.

But on the whole, people with resources will always get better healthcare than people without resources. AND THAT EVEN HAPPENS IN COUNTRIES WHERE THEY HAVE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.

So if you don't mind, stop telling me that I am financially responsible to see to it that every poor bastard in this country has "adequate" health care. If you think the Constitution needs changing, and if enough people agree with you to get it done, then I will happily pay my share. But until that happens STFU. Ain't my problem.

I agree and I couldn't have said it better.

People are responsible for themselves and the taxpayers aren't responsible for their health care, their rent, food on their table or anything else.

They need to get off their asses and take care of themselves.

Republican motto

I got mine......fuck everyone else

And these are people who don't realize that a healthy population is good for everyone. Increased productivity, more stable workforce, less burdened emergency services.

 

[ricechickie]

Let's take that huge leap of imagination and picture you with an actual education.

You might comprehend the choices, and not the comic book version of life.

Here's a treatise you haven't read: Tocqueville.


Alexis de Tocqueville, writing “Democracy in America” in the 1830’s, described “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate.”

As he predicted, this power is “absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle,” and it “works willingly for their happiness, but it wishes to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principal affairs, directs their industry, regulates their testaments, divides their inheritances.”

It is entirely proper to ask, as he asked, whether it can “relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and of the effort associated with living.”


Imbeciles like you mirror the view of Franklin Roosevelt and his condottieri....

The attitude of the FDR government can be seen in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor:
“[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
From a speech delivered on the Senate floor
May 14, 1943 Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism


There is nothing Christian about socialism.

So, you trash your Christian values if you think it means socialism?

The Bible does not endorse socialism.
It is a fabrication used to persuade the most stupid among us to turn over their free will to big government.
Raise your paw.

Jesus said if you see a person who needs help, help them without any question.

You & your anti-Christian ilk judge poor people. You call them lazy. You say they do not deserve help.

I have news, you will spend eternity in Hell like most of your "Oh I am so Christian" Republicans.

A lesson in religion???

Sure....I never mind teaching socialist dunces like you: take notes-

1. So.....socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, et al


2. Coercion, forced 'giving,' .....governmental theft.....is hardly the basis for charity.
Religion...the Judeo-Christian ones, at least, are based on free will.....not submission.

A principle of the Bible is that there are blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience. God is not forcing people to obey His law. Blessings are the natural result of obeying His laws and principles. Generosity and sharing with those in need are biblical commands.

.... under God’s system...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all! God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Christianity.


Had God wanted to create robots that flawlessly keep His law, He could have. If He wanted to use the overwhelming force of government to impose His will on people, He could have. But God is concerned about people developing character, and this only happens through free choice." Is God a Socialist?




3. Two thousand years ago, Jesus taught the principle of free-market capitalism in the parable of the talents.


Matthew 25:14-30English Standard Version
The Parable of the Talents
14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants[a]and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents,[b] to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money.

19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.’23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents.



29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’





Bottom line: there is no religious basis for socialism in any form. Any such suggestion is merely an attempt by one of the shameful six...
....communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism,...

...to cloak itself in the rectitude of the Bible.


Capiche?
Or....will you continue to be a moron?

So, Jesus never said to help the poor. Help the sick. Help people in need.

I love it when you pretend Trumpish Christians have to lie about what the Bible says to hide you lack of Christian beliefs & actions.

Jesus said to help people without judgement.

The alt-right Bible has blacked out certain passages.

 

[Penelope]

Funny Chit. We are supposed to be an advanced society where we take care of the old, poor, & sick people.

You selfish fucks should pack up your shit & move to some third world country where people starve & die in the streets while you PRETEND that you are soooooo far above them.

Funny how I hear your crock from people pretending to be Christian.

You right whiners keep telling me this is a Christian country. Well then act like it. Quit your constant ewhining.

I bet you have received some government benefits yourself.

Let's take that huge leap of imagination and picture you with an actual education.

You might comprehend the choices, and not the comic book version of life.

Here's a treatise you haven't read: Tocqueville.


Alexis de Tocqueville, writing “Democracy in America” in the 1830’s, described “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate.”

As he predicted, this power is “absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle,” and it “works willingly for their happiness, but it wishes to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principal affairs, directs their industry, regulates their testaments, divides their inheritances.”

It is entirely proper to ask, as he asked, whether it can “relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and of the effort associated with living.”


Imbeciles like you mirror the view of Franklin Roosevelt and his condottieri....

The attitude of the FDR government can be seen in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor:
“[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
From a speech delivered on the Senate floor
May 14, 1943 Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism


There is nothing Christian about socialism.

So, you trash your Christian values if you think it means socialism?

The Bible does not endorse socialism.
It is a fabrication used to persuade the most stupid among us to turn over their free will to big government.
Raise your paw.

Jesus said if you see a person who needs help, help them without any question.

You & your anti-Christian ilk judge poor people. You call them lazy. You say they do not deserve help.

I have news, you will spend eternity in Hell like most of your "Oh I am so Christian" Republicans.

A lesson in religion???

Sure....I never mind teaching socialist dunces like you: take notes-

1. So.....socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, et al


2. Coercion, forced 'giving,' .....governmental theft.....is hardly the basis for charity.
Religion...the Judeo-Christian ones, at least, are based on free will.....not submission.

A principle of the Bible is that there are blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience. God is not forcing people to obey His law. Blessings are the natural result of obeying His laws and principles. Generosity and sharing with those in need are biblical commands.

.... under God’s system...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all! God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Christianity.


Had God wanted to create robots that flawlessly keep His law, He could have. If He wanted to use the overwhelming force of government to impose His will on people, He could have. But God is concerned about people developing character, and this only happens through free choice." Is God a Socialist?




3. Two thousand years ago, Jesus taught the principle of free-market capitalism in the parable of the talents.


Matthew 25:14-30English Standard Version
The Parable of the Talents
14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants[a]and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents,[b] to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money.

19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.’23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents.



29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’





Bottom line: there is no religious basis for socialism in any form. Any such suggestion is merely an attempt by one of the shameful six...
....communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism,...

...to cloak itself in the rectitude of the Bible.


Capiche?
Or....will you continue to be a moron?

I'll help you finish Chapter 25:

The Final Judgment
31 When the Son of Man comes in his glory, and all the angels with him, then he will sit on his glorious throne. 32 Before him will be gathered all the nations, and he will separate people one from another as a shepherd separates the sheep from the goats. 33 And he will place the sheep on his right, but the goats on the left. 34 Then the King will say to those on his right, ‘Come, you who are blessed by my Father, inherit the kingdom prepared for you from the foundation of the world. 35 For I was hungry and you gave me food, I was thirsty and you gave me drink, I was a stranger and you welcomed me, 36 I was naked and you clothed me, I was sick and you BC)'>visited me, I was in prison and you came to me.’ 37 Then the righteous will answer him, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you drink? 38 And when did we see you a stranger and welcome you, or naked and clothe you? 39 And when did we see you sick or in prison and visit you?’ 40 And the King will answer them, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did it to one of the least of these my brothers, you did it to me.’

41 “Then he will say to those on his left, Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. 42 For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, 43 I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ 44 Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ 45 Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ 46 And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous eternal life.”

 

[Claudette]

Unless I've missed something, we do not live in a socialist country. Nor have we amended our Constitution to permit Government (the taxpayers) to pay for healthcare for all.

Hence, we have the observable phenomena that :

People with money tend to eat better than people without money;

They tend to have nicer clothes;

They tend to live in safer, more posh places;

They tend to send their kids to better schools (all the way through college), whether public or private;

They get better healthcare.

To the extent that healthcare is a high priority, people who are "poor" have to seek out whatever resources are available and exploit them to the extent necessary.

But on the whole, people with resources will always get better healthcare than people without resources. AND THAT EVEN HAPPENS IN COUNTRIES WHERE THEY HAVE SOCIALIZED MEDICINE.

So if you don't mind, stop telling me that I am financially responsible to see to it that every poor bastard in this country has "adequate" health care. If you think the Constitution needs changing, and if enough people agree with you to get it done, then I will happily pay my share. But until that happens STFU. Ain't my problem.

I agree and I couldn't have said it better.

People are responsible for themselves and the taxpayers aren't responsible for their health care, their rent, food on their table or anything else.

They need to get off their asses and take care of themselves.

Republican motto

I got mine......fuck everyone else

And these are people who don't realize that a healthy population is good for everyone. Increased productivity, more stable workforce, less burdened emergency services.

Nope they are people who pay their own way and don't appreciate being forced to pay for others.

You want health care?? Then do like those that pay do. Pay for you're own.

 

[Nia88]

They'll die, because that's the republican way. They will know kick and scream about a fetus but once the fetus is born, you're on your own. So what if you have cancer and can't afford chemo? Or you need a kidney transplant? Too bad for you.

You need a retroactive abortion...

I'd be willing to chip in for that, you wouldn't have to force me to pay a tax.

Oh thanks. You're so sweet.

 

[EvilCat Breath]

They will get sick, they will die, and the Alt Right will yell "yay".

Pretty much the way it is with obamacare, $7500 deductible. Pretty much a death sentence for most.

Yes....obamacare.....healthcare on paper....you have health insurance, you just can't afford to get actual medical treatment...and the left acts as if getting rid of that is horrible....

Why not, because your state has not expanded Medicaid?

Medicaid is the worst delivery system for healthcare...the government tells doctors they won't pay the whole bill....and then doctors stop taking those patients....government in action again....

Actually, Medicaid is very cost-effective. And if price-gouging doctors won't accept Medicaid patients, they'll likely change their minds when we have single-payer (Medicaid for all).

When we have medicaid for all how do you propose to force doctors to accept it? Make them all federal employees?

 

[PoliticalChic]

The folks who want the "freedom" to pay "their own way" don't realize that, in that system, they're also paying for those who can't, in the form of taxes, higher premiums and higher costs.

Why is this so difficult to understand?
.

Everyone understands it.

What you don't understand is this
"The Federal Government's $146 Billion Obamacare Boo-Boo"
The Federal Government's $146 Billion Obamacare Boo-Boo -- The Motley Fool

"...the exchanges are on the brink of collapse. Major insurers are quitting, premiums are skyrocketing, enrollment is below expectations, and the administration is taking increasingly desperate measures to paper over the problems. By this time next year, the exchanges could be out of business."
Read more at: More Duct Tape Won’t Save Obamacare’s Collapsing Exchanges

Replacing a lousy law with another lousy law has nothing to do with my point.
.

I just proved the costs associated with ObamaCare are dramatic.

Get it?

Of course I get it. You chose to change the subject. I pointed out the obvious, that the folks who want the "freedom" to pay "their own way" don't realize that, in that system, they're also paying for those who can't, in the form of taxes, higher premiums and higher costs.

That's when you changed the subject to the ACA.
.

No....I pointed out that you don't understand the subject.

The exchanges alone cost every man, woman and CHILD $500.

And the moron above says 'the ACA has the money."

WHAT????? Government has no money!!!!!

It confiscates it from the earners.

 

[PoliticalChic]

The folks who want the "freedom" to pay "their own way" don't realize that, in that system, they're also paying for those who can't, in the form of taxes, higher premiums and higher costs.

Why is this so difficult to understand?
.

Everyone understands it.

What you don't understand is this
"The Federal Government's $146 Billion Obamacare Boo-Boo"
The Federal Government's $146 Billion Obamacare Boo-Boo -- The Motley Fool

"...the exchanges are on the brink of collapse. Major insurers are quitting, premiums are skyrocketing, enrollment is below expectations, and the administration is taking increasingly desperate measures to paper over the problems. By this time next year, the exchanges could be out of business."
Read more at: More Duct Tape Won’t Save Obamacare’s Collapsing Exchanges

Replacing a lousy law with another lousy law has nothing to do with my point.
.

I just proved the costs associated with ObamaCare are dramatic.

Get it?

And the ACA has revenue sources to cover it. Get it?

IT CONFISCATES IT, YOU DUNCE!!!!

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's take that huge leap of imagination and picture you with an actual education.

You might comprehend the choices, and not the comic book version of life.

Here's a treatise you haven't read: Tocqueville.


Alexis de Tocqueville, writing “Democracy in America” in the 1830’s, described “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate.”

As he predicted, this power is “absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle,” and it “works willingly for their happiness, but it wishes to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principal affairs, directs their industry, regulates their testaments, divides their inheritances.”

It is entirely proper to ask, as he asked, whether it can “relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and of the effort associated with living.”


Imbeciles like you mirror the view of Franklin Roosevelt and his condottieri....

The attitude of the FDR government can be seen in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor:
“[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
From a speech delivered on the Senate floor
May 14, 1943 Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism


There is nothing Christian about socialism.

So, you trash your Christian values if you think it means socialism?

The Bible does not endorse socialism.
It is a fabrication used to persuade the most stupid among us to turn over their free will to big government.
Raise your paw.

Jesus said if you see a person who needs help, help them without any question.

You & your anti-Christian ilk judge poor people. You call them lazy. You say they do not deserve help.

I have news, you will spend eternity in Hell like most of your "Oh I am so Christian" Republicans.

A lesson in religion???

Sure....I never mind teaching socialist dunces like you: take notes-

1. So.....socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, et al


2. Coercion, forced 'giving,' .....governmental theft.....is hardly the basis for charity.
Religion...the Judeo-Christian ones, at least, are based on free will.....not submission.

A principle of the Bible is that there are blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience. God is not forcing people to obey His law. Blessings are the natural result of obeying His laws and principles. Generosity and sharing with those in need are biblical commands.

.... under God’s system...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all! God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Christianity.


Had God wanted to create robots that flawlessly keep His law, He could have. If He wanted to use the overwhelming force of government to impose His will on people, He could have. But God is concerned about people developing character, and this only happens through free choice." Is God a Socialist?




3. Two thousand years ago, Jesus taught the principle of free-market capitalism in the parable of the talents.


Matthew 25:14-30English Standard Version
The Parable of the Talents
14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants[a]and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents,[b] to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money.

19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.’23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents.



29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’





Bottom line: there is no religious basis for socialism in any form. Any such suggestion is merely an attempt by one of the shameful six...
....communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism,...

...to cloak itself in the rectitude of the Bible.


Capiche?
Or....will you continue to be a moron?

So, Jesus never said to help the poor. Help the sick. Help people in need.

I love it when you pretend Trumpish Christians have to lie about what the Bible says to hide you lack of Christian beliefs & actions.

Jesus said to help people without judgement.

Quote anything I said that isn't correct.


And here is the operative biblical quote:
In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”...

 

[Care4all]

Funny Chit. We are supposed to be an advanced society where we take care of the old, poor, & sick people.

You selfish fucks should pack up your shit & move to some third world country where people starve & die in the streets while you PRETEND that you are soooooo far above them.

Funny how I hear your crock from people pretending to be Christian.

You right whiners keep telling me this is a Christian country. Well then act like it. Quit your constant ewhining.

I bet you have received some government benefits yourself.

Let's take that huge leap of imagination and picture you with an actual education.

You might comprehend the choices, and not the comic book version of life.

Here's a treatise you haven't read: Tocqueville.


Alexis de Tocqueville, writing “Democracy in America” in the 1830’s, described “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate.”

As he predicted, this power is “absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle,” and it “works willingly for their happiness, but it wishes to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principal affairs, directs their industry, regulates their testaments, divides their inheritances.”

It is entirely proper to ask, as he asked, whether it can “relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and of the effort associated with living.”


Imbeciles like you mirror the view of Franklin Roosevelt and his condottieri....

The attitude of the FDR government can be seen in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor:
“[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
From a speech delivered on the Senate floor
May 14, 1943 Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism


There is nothing Christian about socialism.

So, you trash your Christian values if you think it means socialism?

The Bible does not endorse socialism.
It is a fabrication used to persuade the most stupid among us to turn over their free will to big government.
Raise your paw.

Jesus said if you see a person who needs help, help them without any question.

You & your anti-Christian ilk judge poor people. You call them lazy. You say they do not deserve help.

I have news, you will spend eternity in Hell like most of your "Oh I am so Christian" Republicans.

A lesson in religion???

Sure....I never mind teaching socialist dunces like you: take notes-

1. So.....socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, et al


2. Coercion, forced 'giving,' .....governmental theft.....is hardly the basis for charity.
Religion...the Judeo-Christian ones, at least, are based on free will.....not submission.

A principle of the Bible is that there are blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience. God is not forcing people to obey His law. Blessings are the natural result of obeying His laws and principles. Generosity and sharing with those in need are biblical commands.

.... under God’s system...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all! God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Christianity.


Had God wanted to create robots that flawlessly keep His law, He could have. If He wanted to use the overwhelming force of government to impose His will on people, He could have. But God is concerned about people developing character, and this only happens through free choice." Is God a Socialist?




3. Two thousand years ago, Jesus taught the principle of free-market capitalism in the parable of the talents.


Matthew 25:14-30English Standard Version
The Parable of the Talents
14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants[a]and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents,[b] to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money.

19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.’23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents.



29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’





Bottom line: there is no religious basis for socialism in any form. Any such suggestion is merely an attempt by one of the shameful six...
....communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism,...

...to cloak itself in the rectitude of the Bible.


Capiche?
Or....will you continue to be a moron?

Tithing was REQUIRED giving, not giving out of generosity.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Pretty much the way it is with obamacare, $7500 deductible. Pretty much a death sentence for most.

Yes....obamacare.....healthcare on paper....you have health insurance, you just can't afford to get actual medical treatment...and the left acts as if getting rid of that is horrible....

Why not, because your state has not expanded Medicaid?

Medicaid is the worst delivery system for healthcare...the government tells doctors they won't pay the whole bill....and then doctors stop taking those patients....government in action again....

Actually, Medicaid is very cost-effective. And if price-gouging doctors won't accept Medicaid patients, they'll likely change their minds when we have single-payer (Medicaid for all).

When we have medicaid for all how do you propose to force doctors to accept it? Make them all federal employees?

No need for that, and you know it.

 

[Penelope]

So, you trash your Christian values if you think it means socialism?

The Bible does not endorse socialism.
It is a fabrication used to persuade the most stupid among us to turn over their free will to big government.
Raise your paw.

Jesus said if you see a person who needs help, help them without any question.

You & your anti-Christian ilk judge poor people. You call them lazy. You say they do not deserve help.

I have news, you will spend eternity in Hell like most of your "Oh I am so Christian" Republicans.

A lesson in religion???

Sure....I never mind teaching socialist dunces like you: take notes-

1. So.....socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, et al


2. Coercion, forced 'giving,' .....governmental theft.....is hardly the basis for charity.
Religion...the Judeo-Christian ones, at least, are based on free will.....not submission.

A principle of the Bible is that there are blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience. God is not forcing people to obey His law. Blessings are the natural result of obeying His laws and principles. Generosity and sharing with those in need are biblical commands.

.... under God’s system...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all! God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Christianity.


Had God wanted to create robots that flawlessly keep His law, He could have. If He wanted to use the overwhelming force of government to impose His will on people, He could have. But God is concerned about people developing character, and this only happens through free choice." Is God a Socialist?




3. Two thousand years ago, Jesus taught the principle of free-market capitalism in the parable of the talents.


Matthew 25:14-30English Standard Version
The Parable of the Talents
14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants[a]and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents,[b] to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money.

19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.’23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents.



29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’





Bottom line: there is no religious basis for socialism in any form. Any such suggestion is merely an attempt by one of the shameful six...
....communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism,...

...to cloak itself in the rectitude of the Bible.


Capiche?
Or....will you continue to be a moron?

So, Jesus never said to help the poor. Help the sick. Help people in need.

I love it when you pretend Trumpish Christians have to lie about what the Bible says to hide you lack of Christian beliefs & actions.

Jesus said to help people without judgement.

Quote anything I said that isn't correct.


And here is the operative biblical quote:
In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”...

Isn't it better to listen to Jesus than Paul speaking to preachers.

 

[Mac1958]

The folks who want the "freedom" to pay "their own way" don't realize that, in that system, they're also paying for those who can't, in the form of taxes, higher premiums and higher costs.

Why is this so difficult to understand?
.

Everyone understands it.

What you don't understand is this
"The Federal Government's $146 Billion Obamacare Boo-Boo"
The Federal Government's $146 Billion Obamacare Boo-Boo -- The Motley Fool

"...the exchanges are on the brink of collapse. Major insurers are quitting, premiums are skyrocketing, enrollment is below expectations, and the administration is taking increasingly desperate measures to paper over the problems. By this time next year, the exchanges could be out of business."
Read more at: More Duct Tape Won’t Save Obamacare’s Collapsing Exchanges

Replacing a lousy law with another lousy law has nothing to do with my point.
.

I just proved the costs associated with ObamaCare are dramatic.

Get it?

Of course I get it. You chose to change the subject. I pointed out the obvious, that the folks who want the "freedom" to pay "their own way" don't realize that, in that system, they're also paying for those who can't, in the form of taxes, higher premiums and higher costs.

That's when you changed the subject to the ACA.
.

No....I pointed out that you don't understand the subject.

The exchanges alone cost every man, woman and CHILD $500.

And the moron above says 'the ACA has the money."

WHAT????? Government has no money!!!!!

It confiscates it from the earners.

That's twice you've ignored what I said.

That's up to you, of course, but you should be having this conversation with that other person.

And my guess is that I have significantly more professional experience and training in this area than you, and I definitely understand the subject.
.

 

[Mac1958]

...

 

[Penelope]

The folks who want the "freedom" to pay "their own way" don't realize that, in that system, they're also paying for those who can't, in the form of taxes, higher premiums and higher costs.

Why is this so difficult to understand?
.

Everyone understands it.

What you don't understand is this
"The Federal Government's $146 Billion Obamacare Boo-Boo"
The Federal Government's $146 Billion Obamacare Boo-Boo -- The Motley Fool

"...the exchanges are on the brink of collapse. Major insurers are quitting, premiums are skyrocketing, enrollment is below expectations, and the administration is taking increasingly desperate measures to paper over the problems. By this time next year, the exchanges could be out of business."
Read more at: More Duct Tape Won’t Save Obamacare’s Collapsing Exchanges

Replacing a lousy law with another lousy law has nothing to do with my point.
.

I just proved the costs associated with ObamaCare are dramatic.

Get it?

Of course I get it. You chose to change the subject. I pointed out the obvious, that the folks who want the "freedom" to pay "their own way" don't realize that, in that system, they're also paying for those who can't, in the form of taxes, higher premiums and higher costs.

That's when you changed the subject to the ACA.
.

No....I pointed out that you don't understand the subject.

The exchanges alone cost every man, woman and CHILD $500.

And the moron above says 'the ACA has the money."

WHAT????? Government has no money!!!!!

It confiscates it from the earners.

Why is trump cutting taxes then?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Let's take that huge leap of imagination and picture you with an actual education.

You might comprehend the choices, and not the comic book version of life.

Here's a treatise you haven't read: Tocqueville.


Alexis de Tocqueville, writing “Democracy in America” in the 1830’s, described “an immense, tutelary power, which takes sole charge of assuring their enjoyment and of watching over their fate.”

As he predicted, this power is “absolute, attentive to detail, regular, provident, and gentle,” and it “works willingly for their happiness, but it wishes to be the only agent and the sole arbiter of that happiness. It provides for their security, foresees and supplies their needs, guides them in their principal affairs, directs their industry, regulates their testaments, divides their inheritances.”

It is entirely proper to ask, as he asked, whether it can “relieve them entirely of the trouble of thinking and of the effort associated with living.”


Imbeciles like you mirror the view of Franklin Roosevelt and his condottieri....

The attitude of the FDR government can be seen in these words of A.B. “Happy” Chandler, a former Kentucky governor:
“[A]ll of us owe the government; we owe it for everything we have—and that is the basis of obligation—and the government can take everything we have if the government needs it. . . . The government can assert its right to have all the taxes it needs for any purpose, either now or at any time in the future.”
From a speech delivered on the Senate floor
May 14, 1943 Happy Chandler’s dangerous statism


There is nothing Christian about socialism.

So, you trash your Christian values if you think it means socialism?

The Bible does not endorse socialism.
It is a fabrication used to persuade the most stupid among us to turn over their free will to big government.
Raise your paw.

Jesus said if you see a person who needs help, help them without any question.

You & your anti-Christian ilk judge poor people. You call them lazy. You say they do not deserve help.

I have news, you will spend eternity in Hell like most of your "Oh I am so Christian" Republicans.

A lesson in religion???

Sure....I never mind teaching socialist dunces like you: take notes-

1. So.....socialism endorsed in the Bible????

Not hardly.

An accurate understanding of the Bible requires the distinction between 'redistribution' and 'generosity.'

"Some people conclude from these verses that the Bible supports government-enforced wealth redistribution. But what these verses really show is that the Bible advocates generosity.

These are two very different concepts.
Generosity springs from free will....not force, coercion, or threats.


The motivation to give and share originates in compassion, as 1 John 3:17 indicates—but there is choice involved.

With socialism, it is the opposite.
Redistribution of wealth is always by force of government. The government simply uses its overwhelming power to take what it thinks is “fair” from the “givers.” Is God a Socialist?

Generosity is based on choice....on free will....the cornerstone of Judeo-Christian tradition.
Not so with any of these six: Socialism, Liberalism, Communism, et al


2. Coercion, forced 'giving,' .....governmental theft.....is hardly the basis for charity.
Religion...the Judeo-Christian ones, at least, are based on free will.....not submission.

A principle of the Bible is that there are blessings for obedience and curses for disobedience. God is not forcing people to obey His law. Blessings are the natural result of obeying His laws and principles. Generosity and sharing with those in need are biblical commands.

.... under God’s system...it is up to the giver to decide to give and how much he or she can afford to give, and, in many cases, whether he or she will give at all! God allows free choice. In fact, free will is essential to true Christianity.


Had God wanted to create robots that flawlessly keep His law, He could have. If He wanted to use the overwhelming force of government to impose His will on people, He could have. But God is concerned about people developing character, and this only happens through free choice." Is God a Socialist?




3. Two thousand years ago, Jesus taught the principle of free-market capitalism in the parable of the talents.


Matthew 25:14-30English Standard Version
The Parable of the Talents
14 “For it will be like a man going on a journey, who called his servants[a]and entrusted to them his property. 15 To one he gave five talents,[b] to another two, to another one, to each according to his ability. Then he went away. 16 He who had received the five talents went at once and traded with them, and he made five talents more. 17 So also he who had the two talents made two talents more. 18 But he who had received the one talent went and dug in the ground and hid his master's money.

19 Now after a long time the master of those servants came and settled accounts with them. 20 And he who had received the five talents came forward, bringing five talents more, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me five talents; here I have made five talents more.’ 21 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant.[c] You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

22 And he also who had the two talents came forward, saying, ‘Master, you delivered to me two talents; here I have made two talents more.’23 His master said to him, ‘Well done, good and faithful servant. You have been faithful over a little; I will set you over much. Enter into the joy of your master.’

24 He also who had received the one talent came forward, saying, ‘Master, I knew you to be a hard man, reaping where you did not sow, and gathering where you scattered no seed, 25 so I was afraid, and I went and hid your talent in the ground. Here you have what is yours.’ 26 But his master answered him, ‘You wicked and slothful servant! You knew that I reap where I have not sown and gather where I scattered no seed? 27 Then you ought to have invested my money with the bankers, and at my coming I should have received what was my own with interest. 28 So take the talent from him and give it to him who has the ten talents.



29 For to everyone who has will more be given, and he will have an abundance. But from the one who has not, even what he has will be taken away. 30 And cast the worthless servant into the outer darkness. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth.’





Bottom line: there is no religious basis for socialism in any form. Any such suggestion is merely an attempt by one of the shameful six...
....communism, socialism, Liberalism, Nazism, Progressivism, or Fascism,...

...to cloak itself in the rectitude of the Bible.


Capiche?
Or....will you continue to be a moron?

Tithing was REQUIRED giving, not giving out of generosity.

Are you requesting a lesson in politics and religion?

My pleasure.


1. Let's go forward with the point, and underscore that the Bible, rather than authorizing taking from some and giving to others, via governmental intimidation or incarceration, prescribes a very different solution.

A form of giving..."tithing".... "is not for the poor! It is for specific individuals who could not provide for themselves because of specific circumstances. This “welfare” was for the Levites, because they did not own any land; for foreigners who temporarily needed aid while in the nation; for the fatherless, who were too young to provide for themselves and did not have family to take care of them; and for widows who likewise were too old to work or had no family to support them.



2. ...tithe was not given to able-bodied men and women who were capable of working. For able-bodied people, God’s welfare system is—work. How different from modern social welfare programs!

In fact, the Bible is clear that people should be rewarded by what they contribute to society.

The Bible is specific about what God expects of able-bodied members of society. In 2 Thessalonians 3:10, Paul said, “If anyone will not work, neither shall he eat”



3. The Bible is filled with many such admonitions to work and provide for your family.“But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel” (1 Timothy 5:8)." Is God a Socialist?




So....redistribution is not charity a la the Bible....it is theft

And the welfare system endorsed by scripture is .....personal responsibility, and earning.



Bet you're glad you brought it up, huh?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Everyone understands it.

What you don't understand is this
"The Federal Government's $146 Billion Obamacare Boo-Boo"
The Federal Government's $146 Billion Obamacare Boo-Boo -- The Motley Fool

"...the exchanges are on the brink of collapse. Major insurers are quitting, premiums are skyrocketing, enrollment is below expectations, and the administration is taking increasingly desperate measures to paper over the problems. By this time next year, the exchanges could be out of business."
Read more at: More Duct Tape Won’t Save Obamacare’s Collapsing Exchanges

Replacing a lousy law with another lousy law has nothing to do with my point.
.

I just proved the costs associated with ObamaCare are dramatic.

Get it?

Of course I get it. You chose to change the subject. I pointed out the obvious, that the folks who want the "freedom" to pay "their own way" don't realize that, in that system, they're also paying for those who can't, in the form of taxes, higher premiums and higher costs.

That's when you changed the subject to the ACA.
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No....I pointed out that you don't understand the subject.

The exchanges alone cost every man, woman and CHILD $500.

And the moron above says 'the ACA has the money."

WHAT????? Government has no money!!!!!

It confiscates it from the earners.

That's twice you've ignored what I said.

That's up to you, of course, but you should be having this conversation with that other person.

And my guess is that I have significantly more professional experience and training in this area than you, and I definitely understand the subject.
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Is this what you said???

"The folks who want the "freedom" to pay "their own way" don't realize that, in that system, they're also paying for those who can't, in the form of taxes, higher premiums and higher costs.

Why is this so difficult to understand?"


Then my lesson is correct and appropriate.



"....I have significantly more professional experience and training in this area than you,..."

Fact not in evidence.