What's wrong with smart guns?

[Toddsterpatriot]

Smart guns, which will only shoot with the owner's fingerprint, would prevent children from shooting themselves and others, and thieves and criminals couldn't use them. Gun rights advocates will say they are a form of gun control and a violation of the second amendment rights. I say abide by the second amendment by owning a musket. When rapid fire guns were invented no gun rights person refused to use them because they weren't muskets. Time changes everything. As for hacking a smart gun, you're more likely to have your phone or computer hacked and that doesn't stop people from using them. And they worry that the government will "track" them. So? We've been tracked for years and it hasn't made an iota of difference in our lives.

I say abide by the second amendment by owning a musket.

The second amendment doesn't mention muskets.

But it mentions "arms", and the musket was about the best you could do at the time, therefore that's what "arms" meant. One or two new refinements have been invented since then vastly affecting both accuracy and impact (see also post 23) which means what the Founders were describing and what exists today are vastly different technologies capable of vastly different things.

It is impossible, then or now, to write laws or constitutions for technology that does not at the time of writing exist.

One might add, "duh".

Oh sorry, you were saying something about "stupid"? Do go on.

But it mentions "arms",

Thanks, glad you agree it didn't mention muskets.

It is impossible, then or now, to write laws or constitutions for technology that does not at the time of writing exist.

The government can restrict speech on the internet, because the technology is new?

Oh sorry, you were saying something about "stupid"?

Yeah, liberals are stupid.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Guns don't enjoy a 0.00005% failure rate. I'm not sure of the exact number, but I know it's much higher than that.

Interesting. I've been around guns my whole life, and never had one fail. Not one.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Maybe the $10,000 price tag and questionable reliability? A lot of people die in drug and alcohol related car crashes. What about a "smart car" that wouldn't run if it detected drugs or alcohol or all persons required to wear a helmet in a car? Think anyone would go for it?

Many companies are working on cars that drive themselves. I would go for it.

Where's the fun in that?

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

As opposed to the anyone who picks it up gets to use it variety?

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

How many kids are accidently killed by guns in Germany each year?

Irrelevant.

 

[Brain357]

Guns don't enjoy a 0.00005% failure rate. I'm not sure of the exact number, but I know it's much higher than that.

Interesting. I've been around guns my whole life, and never had one fail. Not one.

You must not shoot very often...

 

[Brain357]

As opposed to the anyone who picks it up gets to use it variety?

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

How many kids are accidently killed by guns in Germany each year?

Irrelevant.

Why is that? We have FAR more than any other civilized country.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Guns don't enjoy a 0.00005% failure rate. I'm not sure of the exact number, but I know it's much higher than that.

Interesting. I've been around guns my whole life, and never had one fail. Not one.

You must not shoot very often...

An assumption made to support your weak statement. Not a good argument. As you know.

 

[HappyJoy]

As opposed to the anyone who picks it up gets to use it variety?

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

As opposed to the anyone who picks it up gets to use it variety?

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Huge pdf, how about some page numbers?

Here is a study that put over 7k kids in the hospital thanks to guns in 2009, 453 of them died.

Twenty U.S. Kids Hospitalized Each Day for Gun Injuries: Study

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

How many kids are accidently killed by guns in Germany each year?

Irrelevant.

Why is that? We have FAR more than any other civilized country.

The numbers here are not even a blip when compared to total population OR total gun owners. Like everything else on the Left, you blow it out of proportion to forward an agenda.

That said, most of the numbers come from the inner cities of Democrat-run urban areas. Smell yourself.

 

[2aguy]

As opposed to the anyone who picks it up gets to use it variety?

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

How many kids are accidently killed by guns in Germany each year?

How many kids in Germany and Europe were murdered in gas chambers because their parents were disarmed by their governments?

 

[Brain357]

Guns don't enjoy a 0.00005% failure rate. I'm not sure of the exact number, but I know it's much higher than that.

Interesting. I've been around guns my whole life, and never had one fail. Not one.

You must not shoot very often...

An assumption made to support your weak statement. Not a good argument. As you know.

No most anyone who shoots regularly has had failures. Your claim you have never had one is only possible if you hardly ever shoot.

 

[blackhawk]

I have owned different types of guns and mine have never fired when I didn't want it to or at anything I wasn't aiming at. As smart gun handeled by a dumb person won't make the gun any less dangerous.

 

[Brain357]

As opposed to the anyone who picks it up gets to use it variety?

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

How many kids are accidently killed by guns in Germany each year?

How many kids in Germany and Europe were murdered in gas chambers because their parents were disarmed by their governments?

None this year, last year, the last 40 years...

If guns are needed to stop that sort of thing why is it Europe doesn't have a problem? Most of Europe is disarmed.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Guns don't enjoy a 0.00005% failure rate. I'm not sure of the exact number, but I know it's much higher than that.

Interesting. I've been around guns my whole life, and never had one fail. Not one.

You must not shoot very often...

An assumption made to support your weak statement. Not a good argument. As you know.

No most anyone who shoots regularly has had failures. Your claim you have never had one is only possible if you hardly ever shoot.

I'm sorry, but your delusions are not my problem.

 

[Brain357]

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

How many kids are accidently killed by guns in Germany each year?

Irrelevant.

Why is that? We have FAR more than any other civilized country.

The numbers here are not even a blip when compared to total population OR total gun owners. Like everything else on the Left, you blow it out of proportion to forward an agenda.

That said, most of the numbers come from the inner cities of Democrat-run urban areas. Smell yourself.

But why compare to total population? Most civilized countries have none. We have 690% more than they do.

 

[2aguy]

As opposed to the anyone who picks it up gets to use it variety?

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

As opposed to the anyone who picks it up gets to use it variety?

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Huge pdf, how about some page numbers?

Here is a study that put over 7k kids in the hospital thanks to guns in 2009, 453 of them died.

Twenty U.S. Kids Hospitalized Each Day for Gun Injuries: Study

yeah....nice try.....the anti gun extremists can't get real research to back them up so they are now turning to medical research to hide their lies.......you of course didn't quote this part......

Since when are 15 year old gang bangers shooting each other "children."

About 84 percent of these shootings involved teens aged 15 to 19, and two-thirds of those were related to assaults. While the study's database does not provide specifics, Leventhal said it's natural to assume that gang violence explains some of these gunshot injuries

So....my advice...stop paying attention to ant gun extremists.......they hate guns so much they let it cloud their judgment and it makes them lie.....

 

[2aguy]

As opposed to the anyone who picks it up gets to use it variety?

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

As opposed to the anyone who picks it up gets to use it variety?

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Huge pdf, how about some page numbers?

Here is a study that put over 7k kids in the hospital thanks to guns in 2009, 453 of them died.

Twenty U.S. Kids Hospitalized Each Day for Gun Injuries: Study

Notice...I actually used the Centers for Disease control table 10 for 2013...........

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

 

[Brain357]

Guns don't enjoy a 0.00005% failure rate. I'm not sure of the exact number, but I know it's much higher than that.

Interesting. I've been around guns my whole life, and never had one fail. Not one.

You must not shoot very often...

An assumption made to support your weak statement. Not a good argument. As you know.

No most anyone who shoots regularly has had failures. Your claim you have never had one is only possible if you hardly ever shoot.

I'm sorry, but your delusions are not my problem.

The only one delusional is you. Again you must not shoot very often or shoot many different kinds of guns. Ammo has a failure rate.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

How many kids are accidently killed by guns in Germany each year?

Irrelevant.

Why is that? We have FAR more than any other civilized country.

The numbers here are not even a blip when compared to total population OR total gun owners. Like everything else on the Left, you blow it out of proportion to forward an agenda.

That said, most of the numbers come from the inner cities of Democrat-run urban areas. Smell yourself.

But why compare to total population? Most civilized countries have none. We have 690% more than they do.

Because that is the correct comparison.

 

[westwall]

The best pistol out there claims 90%. Now. Take 10 cookies, add cyanide to one of them. Put them in a bowl. Choose one and eat it.

And since the likelyhood of ever needing to fire in defense is quite astronomical what is the problem?

ask all the actual victims of rape, robbery, murder, kidnapping...your claim is not 100%.....so therefore you have no idea what you are talking about.......

also ask the 12 million people murdered by the Europeans......they will tell you they needed guns too...

You are one of the people always claiming guns aren't even fired in defense. Are you now claiming they are often fired in defense? Is that something you really want to do?

When were 12 million people murdered by Europeans?

No. He claims the MAJORITY of them are not fired. You, being the dishonest debater that you are misrepresent what he says. Why is that? Are you simply not smart enough to engage in a discussion without lying?

Yes the vast majority don't even require firing. That is what he claims.

And that is factual. My one defensive gun use here in the USA did not require me to shoot the idiot trying to break down my hotel door. I didn't even need to point it at him. I merely showed him that I had one and he left.