What's wrong with smart guns?

[Brain357]

Here you go...Europe murdered 1.5 million children...and that is probably a low estimate.........

all because their parents allowed themselves to be disarmed because they thought only the police and soldiers should have guns........and that the government would protect them...

Children during the Holocaust

The Germans and their collaborators killed as many as 1.5 million children. This number included over a million Jewish children and tens of thousands of Romani (Gypsy)children, German children with physical and mental disabilities living in institutions, Polish children, and children residing in the occupied Soviet Union. Some Jewish and some non-Jewish adolescents (13-18 years old) had a greater chance of survival, as they could be used for forced labor.

The fates of Jewish and non-Jewish children can be categorized in the following ways:

1) children killed when they arrived in killing centers
2) children killed immediately after birth or in institutions
3) children born in ghettos and camps who survived because prisoners hid them
4) children, usually over age 12, who were used as laborers and as subjects of medical experiments
5) children killed during reprisal operations or so-called anti-partisan operations.

And this was when again?

During World War 2...just 70 years ago.......so I have to guess you think it will never happen again...and you are so sure you are happy to give up your guns..........

Most of Europe is not armed and it isn't happening.... And it would never happen here. So stop with the silliness.

 

[HappyJoy]

As opposed to the anyone who picks it up gets to use it variety?

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

As opposed to the anyone who picks it up gets to use it variety?

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Huge pdf, how about some page numbers?

Here is a study that put over 7k kids in the hospital thanks to guns in 2009, 453 of them died.

Twenty U.S. Kids Hospitalized Each Day for Gun Injuries: Study

It is table 10 the CDC...being a government agency, did not see the need to number it's pages.......scroll down table 10 these stats are near the bottom....

Why are you leaving out kids over 14? I realize the CDC lumps together 15-24 but that's 3 years of data you're not including.

Anyway, it's page 22, all pdfs have page numbers.

So, you are leaving out 15-18 year olds and you are comparing all other forms of murder to guns? That's like comparing apples to an orchard.

Not too mention 7k kids who end up in the hospital thanks to guns with over 10% receiving life altering injuries.

 

[2aguy]

So....Europeans, if you divide 1.5 million by 70 years, the years of World War 2 to today....murdered 21,428 children a year............


Hmmm...that is more than get killed by democrat criminals here each year.......

How about you stick with stats for like the last two decades? Or do you prefer to be ridiculous?

How is that ridiculous...Germany and Europe were modern nations, with universities, philosphy, science, the rule of law.....and democracy.....and in 20 years they became a place where they murdered 12 million innocent men, women and 1.5 million children..........they were not a medieval Europe...they were the most modern nations on the planet at the time........and a small group......in control....murdered 12 million unarmed people.....

You really don't think it could ever happen again....with all the muslims flooding Europe right now...and all the increased tensions...and the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.....? And do you think the Russians are treating the people in the occupied areas of Ukraine with gentleness and fondness.....really?

 

[HappyJoy]

Oh-oh, here comes the wall of spam.

 

[2aguy]

Here you go...Europe murdered 1.5 million children...and that is probably a low estimate.........

all because their parents allowed themselves to be disarmed because they thought only the police and soldiers should have guns........and that the government would protect them...

Children during the Holocaust

The Germans and their collaborators killed as many as 1.5 million children. This number included over a million Jewish children and tens of thousands of Romani (Gypsy)children, German children with physical and mental disabilities living in institutions, Polish children, and children residing in the occupied Soviet Union. Some Jewish and some non-Jewish adolescents (13-18 years old) had a greater chance of survival, as they could be used for forced labor.

The fates of Jewish and non-Jewish children can be categorized in the following ways:

1) children killed when they arrived in killing centers
2) children killed immediately after birth or in institutions
3) children born in ghettos and camps who survived because prisoners hid them
4) children, usually over age 12, who were used as laborers and as subjects of medical experiments
5) children killed during reprisal operations or so-called anti-partisan operations.

And this was when again?

During World War 2...just 70 years ago.......so I have to guess you think it will never happen again...and you are so sure you are happy to give up your guns..........

Most of Europe is not armed and it isn't happening.... And it would never happen here. So stop with the silliness.

Tell that to the Japanese.....

And it would never happen here

If you asked those 12 million people the year before they were shipped to the gas chambers..that is exactly what they would have said......

 

[2aguy]

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Huge pdf, how about some page numbers?

Here is a study that put over 7k kids in the hospital thanks to guns in 2009, 453 of them died.

Twenty U.S. Kids Hospitalized Each Day for Gun Injuries: Study

It is table 10 the CDC...being a government agency, did not see the need to number it's pages.......scroll down table 10 these stats are near the bottom....

Why are you leaving out kids over 14? I realize the CDC lumps together 15-24 but that's 3 years of data you're not including.

Anyway, it's page 22, all pdfs have page numbers.

So, you are leaving out 15-18 year olds and you are comparing all other forms of murder to guns? That's like comparing apples to an orchard.

Not too mention 7k kids who end up in the hospital thanks to guns with over 10% receiving life altering injuries.

i leave out 15-25 because at that point as your post points out they are majority criminals in gangs and other criminal activity...besides not separating out 17 - 25 year olds...

Do you consider 17 year olds "kids" in the sense the anti gun researchers lie about the term?

 

[HappyJoy]

As opposed to the anyone who picks it up gets to use it variety?

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

As opposed to the anyone who picks it up gets to use it variety?

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Huge pdf, how about some page numbers?

Here is a study that put over 7k kids in the hospital thanks to guns in 2009, 453 of them died.

Twenty U.S. Kids Hospitalized Each Day for Gun Injuries: Study

yeah....nice try.....the anti gun extremists can't get real research to back them up so they are now turning to medical research to hide their lies.......you of course didn't quote this part......

Since when are 15 year old gang bangers shooting each other "children."

About 84 percent of these shootings involved teens aged 15 to 19, and two-thirds of those were related to assaults. While the study's database does not provide specifics, Leventhal said it's natural to assume that gang violence explains some of these gunshot injuries

So....my advice...stop paying attention to ant gun extremists.......they hate guns so much they let it cloud their judgment and it makes them lie.....

Why would't assaults matter? Or kids over 15? Strange.

 

[2aguy]

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Huge pdf, how about some page numbers?

Here is a study that put over 7k kids in the hospital thanks to guns in 2009, 453 of them died.

Twenty U.S. Kids Hospitalized Each Day for Gun Injuries: Study

It is table 10 the CDC...being a government agency, did not see the need to number it's pages.......scroll down table 10 these stats are near the bottom....

Why are you leaving out kids over 14? I realize the CDC lumps together 15-24 but that's 3 years of data you're not including.

Anyway, it's page 22, all pdfs have page numbers.

So, you are leaving out 15-18 year olds and you are comparing all other forms of murder to guns? That's like comparing apples to an orchard.

Not too mention 7k kids who end up in the hospital thanks to guns with over 10% receiving life altering injuries.

Sorry....you have just lied......you know your own post says over 80% are due to gang membership and other criminal activity....and that is only from the medical determination so it is hardly accurate......they treat injuries, they don't deal in crime......

 

[HappyJoy]

WWII era stats? but not kids over 15?

 

[2aguy]

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

You mean like any other tool?

Yeah, why not?

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Huge pdf, how about some page numbers?

Here is a study that put over 7k kids in the hospital thanks to guns in 2009, 453 of them died.

Twenty U.S. Kids Hospitalized Each Day for Gun Injuries: Study

yeah....nice try.....the anti gun extremists can't get real research to back them up so they are now turning to medical research to hide their lies.......you of course didn't quote this part......

Since when are 15 year old gang bangers shooting each other "children."

About 84 percent of these shootings involved teens aged 15 to 19, and two-thirds of those were related to assaults. While the study's database does not provide specifics, Leventhal said it's natural to assume that gang violence explains some of these gunshot injuries

So....my advice...stop paying attention to ant gun extremists.......they hate guns so much they let it cloud their judgment and it makes them lie.....

Why would't assaults matter? Or kids over 15? Strange.

15 is prime gang membership age.....and the majority of any gun injuries 15 and over are crime related.....

 

[HappyJoy]

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Huge pdf, how about some page numbers?

Here is a study that put over 7k kids in the hospital thanks to guns in 2009, 453 of them died.

Twenty U.S. Kids Hospitalized Each Day for Gun Injuries: Study

It is table 10 the CDC...being a government agency, did not see the need to number it's pages.......scroll down table 10 these stats are near the bottom....

Why are you leaving out kids over 14? I realize the CDC lumps together 15-24 but that's 3 years of data you're not including.

Anyway, it's page 22, all pdfs have page numbers.

So, you are leaving out 15-18 year olds and you are comparing all other forms of murder to guns? That's like comparing apples to an orchard.

Not too mention 7k kids who end up in the hospital thanks to guns with over 10% receiving life altering injuries.

Sorry....you have just lied......you know your own post says over 80% are due to gang membership and other criminal activity....and that is only from the medical determination so it is hardly accurate......they treat injuries, they don't deal in crime......

gang membership, and? Still kids, correct?

 

[HappyJoy]

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Interesting. How many children have accidentally hammered themselves to death?

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Huge pdf, how about some page numbers?

Here is a study that put over 7k kids in the hospital thanks to guns in 2009, 453 of them died.

Twenty U.S. Kids Hospitalized Each Day for Gun Injuries: Study

yeah....nice try.....the anti gun extremists can't get real research to back them up so they are now turning to medical research to hide their lies.......you of course didn't quote this part......

Since when are 15 year old gang bangers shooting each other "children."

About 84 percent of these shootings involved teens aged 15 to 19, and two-thirds of those were related to assaults. While the study's database does not provide specifics, Leventhal said it's natural to assume that gang violence explains some of these gunshot injuries

So....my advice...stop paying attention to ant gun extremists.......they hate guns so much they let it cloud their judgment and it makes them lie.....

Why would't assaults matter? Or kids over 15? Strange.

15 is prime gang membership age.....and the majority of any gun injuries 15 and over are crime related.....

Still kids.

 

[2aguy]

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Huge pdf, how about some page numbers?

Here is a study that put over 7k kids in the hospital thanks to guns in 2009, 453 of them died.

Twenty U.S. Kids Hospitalized Each Day for Gun Injuries: Study

It is table 10 the CDC...being a government agency, did not see the need to number it's pages.......scroll down table 10 these stats are near the bottom....

Why are you leaving out kids over 14? I realize the CDC lumps together 15-24 but that's 3 years of data you're not including.

Anyway, it's page 22, all pdfs have page numbers.

So, you are leaving out 15-18 year olds and you are comparing all other forms of murder to guns? That's like comparing apples to an orchard.

Not too mention 7k kids who end up in the hospital thanks to guns with over 10% receiving life altering injuries.

Sorry....you have just lied......you know your own post says over 80% are due to gang membership and other criminal activity....and that is only from the medical determination so it is hardly accurate......they treat injuries, they don't deal in crime......

gang membership, and? Still kids, correct?

Ask a normal person if a 15 year old gang member shooting a rival gang member is a kid........let's take a poll, shall we?

 

[Brain357]

So....Europeans, if you divide 1.5 million by 70 years, the years of World War 2 to today....murdered 21,428 children a year............


Hmmm...that is more than get killed by democrat criminals here each year.......

How about you stick with stats for like the last two decades? Or do you prefer to be ridiculous?

How is that ridiculous...Germany and Europe were modern nations, with universities, philosphy, science, the rule of law.....and democracy.....and in 20 years they became a place where they murdered 12 million innocent men, women and 1.5 million children..........they were not a medieval Europe...they were the most modern nations on the planet at the time........and a small group......in control....murdered 12 million unarmed people.....

You really don't think it could ever happen again....with all the muslims flooding Europe right now...and all the increased tensions...and the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.....? And do you think the Russians are treating the people in the occupied areas of Ukraine with gentleness and fondness.....really?

I think an armed population has nothing to do with it. Again most of Europe is not armed and yet it isn't happening.

I will never happen here, our military are the best people we have. With 24/7 news, the internet, smart phones... Sorry will not ever happen.

 

[HappyJoy]

Huge pdf, how about some page numbers?

Here is a study that put over 7k kids in the hospital thanks to guns in 2009, 453 of them died.

Twenty U.S. Kids Hospitalized Each Day for Gun Injuries: Study

It is table 10 the CDC...being a government agency, did not see the need to number it's pages.......scroll down table 10 these stats are near the bottom....

Why are you leaving out kids over 14? I realize the CDC lumps together 15-24 but that's 3 years of data you're not including.

Anyway, it's page 22, all pdfs have page numbers.

So, you are leaving out 15-18 year olds and you are comparing all other forms of murder to guns? That's like comparing apples to an orchard.

Not too mention 7k kids who end up in the hospital thanks to guns with over 10% receiving life altering injuries.

Sorry....you have just lied......you know your own post says over 80% are due to gang membership and other criminal activity....and that is only from the medical determination so it is hardly accurate......they treat injuries, they don't deal in crime......

gang membership, and? Still kids, correct?

Ask a normal person if a 15 year old gang member shooting a rival gang member is a kid........let's take a poll, shall we?

Yep, not old enough to drink, drive or vote legally. Kids.

 

[2aguy]

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Kids...and how they die in the United States...

http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nvsr/nvsr64/nvsr64_02.pdf

Kids murdered by guns....

under 1: 12
age 1-4: 39

age 5-14: 142

total gun murder of children.....193



Kids murdered by other means...

under 1: 270
age 1-4: 298
age 5-14: 135



murder of children by other means.....703
Now, if even if you include gun accidents into the total.....

you are still wrong....

Accidental death by gun for children....

under 1: 3
age 1-4: 27
age 5-14: 39

Total accidental gun death for kids 2013....69

Huge pdf, how about some page numbers?

Here is a study that put over 7k kids in the hospital thanks to guns in 2009, 453 of them died.

Twenty U.S. Kids Hospitalized Each Day for Gun Injuries: Study

yeah....nice try.....the anti gun extremists can't get real research to back them up so they are now turning to medical research to hide their lies.......you of course didn't quote this part......

Since when are 15 year old gang bangers shooting each other "children."

About 84 percent of these shootings involved teens aged 15 to 19, and two-thirds of those were related to assaults. While the study's database does not provide specifics, Leventhal said it's natural to assume that gang violence explains some of these gunshot injuries

So....my advice...stop paying attention to ant gun extremists.......they hate guns so much they let it cloud their judgment and it makes them lie.....

Why would't assaults matter? Or kids over 15? Strange.

15 is prime gang membership age.....and the majority of any gun injuries 15 and over are crime related.....

Still kids.

Yes....lie.....you have to.....reality, facts and the truth show that you are wrong...so you have to include hard core 15 year old gang members murdering other gang members as the same as kids playing in the park with their parents....

 

[Brain357]

Here you go...Europe murdered 1.5 million children...and that is probably a low estimate.........

all because their parents allowed themselves to be disarmed because they thought only the police and soldiers should have guns........and that the government would protect them...

Children during the Holocaust

The Germans and their collaborators killed as many as 1.5 million children. This number included over a million Jewish children and tens of thousands of Romani (Gypsy)children, German children with physical and mental disabilities living in institutions, Polish children, and children residing in the occupied Soviet Union. Some Jewish and some non-Jewish adolescents (13-18 years old) had a greater chance of survival, as they could be used for forced labor.

The fates of Jewish and non-Jewish children can be categorized in the following ways:

1) children killed when they arrived in killing centers
2) children killed immediately after birth or in institutions
3) children born in ghettos and camps who survived because prisoners hid them
4) children, usually over age 12, who were used as laborers and as subjects of medical experiments
5) children killed during reprisal operations or so-called anti-partisan operations.

And this was when again?

During World War 2...just 70 years ago.......so I have to guess you think it will never happen again...and you are so sure you are happy to give up your guns..........

Most of Europe is not armed and it isn't happening.... And it would never happen here. So stop with the silliness.

Tell that to the Japanese.....

And it would never happen here

If you asked those 12 million people the year before they were shipped to the gas chambers..that is exactly what they would have said......

Sure and was there 24/7 news then? Smart phones? The internet? Sorry but Europe is not armed and it is not happening. That kills your whole theory.

 

[HappyJoy]

Huge pdf, how about some page numbers?

Here is a study that put over 7k kids in the hospital thanks to guns in 2009, 453 of them died.

Twenty U.S. Kids Hospitalized Each Day for Gun Injuries: Study

yeah....nice try.....the anti gun extremists can't get real research to back them up so they are now turning to medical research to hide their lies.......you of course didn't quote this part......

Since when are 15 year old gang bangers shooting each other "children."

About 84 percent of these shootings involved teens aged 15 to 19, and two-thirds of those were related to assaults. While the study's database does not provide specifics, Leventhal said it's natural to assume that gang violence explains some of these gunshot injuries

So....my advice...stop paying attention to ant gun extremists.......they hate guns so much they let it cloud their judgment and it makes them lie.....

Why would't assaults matter? Or kids over 15? Strange.

15 is prime gang membership age.....and the majority of any gun injuries 15 and over are crime related.....

Still kids.

Yes....lie.....you have to.....reality, facts and the truth show that you are wrong...so you have to include hard core 15 year old gang members murdering other gang members as the same as kids playing in the park with their parents....

It's not a lie. You're comparing every form of child murder to guns and think that's equal.

 

[2aguy]

So....Europeans, if you divide 1.5 million by 70 years, the years of World War 2 to today....murdered 21,428 children a year............


Hmmm...that is more than get killed by democrat criminals here each year.......

How about you stick with stats for like the last two decades? Or do you prefer to be ridiculous?

How is that ridiculous...Germany and Europe were modern nations, with universities, philosphy, science, the rule of law.....and democracy.....and in 20 years they became a place where they murdered 12 million innocent men, women and 1.5 million children..........they were not a medieval Europe...they were the most modern nations on the planet at the time........and a small group......in control....murdered 12 million unarmed people.....

You really don't think it could ever happen again....with all the muslims flooding Europe right now...and all the increased tensions...and the ethnic cleansing in the Balkans.....? And do you think the Russians are treating the people in the occupied areas of Ukraine with gentleness and fondness.....really?

I think an armed population has nothing to do with it. Again most of Europe is not armed and yet it isn't happening.

I will never happen here, our military are the best people we have. With 24/7 news, the internet, smart phones... Sorry will not ever happen.

And the 12 million people would have said they live in Europe......the most advanced nations of the world.....nothing like that would ever happen...they would call you crazy.........well, they might be right on that one....but they would have said there was no way any German, no matter who it was and how much they hated Jews would march 12 million people, men, women and 1.5 million children into gas chambers......it would never happen.

 

[2aguy]

yeah....nice try.....the anti gun extremists can't get real research to back them up so they are now turning to medical research to hide their lies.......you of course didn't quote this part......

Since when are 15 year old gang bangers shooting each other "children."

About 84 percent of these shootings involved teens aged 15 to 19, and two-thirds of those were related to assaults. While the study's database does not provide specifics, Leventhal said it's natural to assume that gang violence explains some of these gunshot injuries

So....my advice...stop paying attention to ant gun extremists.......they hate guns so much they let it cloud their judgment and it makes them lie.....

Why would't assaults matter? Or kids over 15? Strange.

15 is prime gang membership age.....and the majority of any gun injuries 15 and over are crime related.....

Still kids.

Yes....lie.....you have to.....reality, facts and the truth show that you are wrong...so you have to include hard core 15 year old gang members murdering other gang members as the same as kids playing in the park with their parents....

It's not a lie. You're comparing every form of child murder to guns and think that's equal.

No...that is what you are doing....you are saying a 15 year old gang member, who kills another gang member is the same as a kid who isn't a gang member and who accidentally gets shot hunting with his dad...........

And then you are saying, through your post that 18 year olds also qualify as "kids" and that 25 year olds also qualify as kids...since if you don't include them....you only have 69 kids accidentally killed with guns and just over 100 due to gun murder....while over 700 are murdered by other means....

Try harder.......you need to work for it.