When does hacking become an act of war?

[Oldguy]

The Chinese army is after us again. They'd quit momentarily after the news was released that their cyber unit was behind attacks on US government and business concerns, but now they're back.

We know who's doing it and it's not hard to figure out why. It's a high-tech form of espionage and guerrilla warfare and we're under attack.

The Obama administration better take this seriously before our security becomes badly compromised, if it hasn't been already. "Jawboning" the Chinese won't work because they know exactly what they're doing and since it involves their army, it's being directed from the highest places.

What can we do? What should be do? Is it an act of war?

I think it is and we ought to respond as if we'd been physically attacked. No, that doesn't mean invading China, but we ought to hack them too and cut them off from every possible form of aid, including the prevention of American corporations from doing any more business in China.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/20/w...?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130520&_r=0

 

[RoadVirus]

Detonate a nuclear weapon in the upper atmosphere above China. That'll stop their hacking for a good long time. Let em live life in the Dark Ages for a while.

 

[Oldguy]

Detonate a nuclear weapon in the upper atmosphere above China. That'll stop their hacking for a good long time. Let em live life in the Dark Ages for a while.

Yeah, but that would probably provoke a response, don't you think?

 

[namvet]

feed them false intell. ie, including TS plans to take out their leaders and use nukes. its also an excellent way to lead them into our traps. we've done it before. with devastating success.
how ever this dumb fuck bastard in the WH knows no more about national security than he does about fornicating

 

[martybegan]

The Chinese army is after us again. They'd quit momentarily after the news was released that their cyber unit was behind attacks on US government and business concerns, but now they're back.

We know who's doing it and it's not hard to figure out why. It's a high-tech form of espionage and guerrilla warfare and we're under attack.

The Obama administration better take this seriously before our security becomes badly compromised, if it hasn't been already. "Jawboning" the Chinese won't work because they know exactly what they're doing and since it involves their army, it's being directed from the highest places.

What can we do? What should be do? Is it an act of war?

I think it is and we ought to respond as if we'd been physically attacked. No, that doesn't mean invading China, but we ought to hack them too and cut them off from every possible form of aid, including the prevention of American corporations from doing any more business in China.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/20/w...?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130520&_r=0

We could be hacking them right now, except our hacking might be harder to detect.

 

[tjvh]

Al Gore can tell us what to do to secure the internet, seeing as he invented it.

 

[TheOldSchool]

The Chinese army is after us again. They'd quit momentarily after the news was released that their cyber unit was behind attacks on US government and business concerns, but now they're back.

We know who's doing it and it's not hard to figure out why. It's a high-tech form of espionage and guerrilla warfare and we're under attack.

The Obama administration better take this seriously before our security becomes badly compromised, if it hasn't been already. "Jawboning" the Chinese won't work because they know exactly what they're doing and since it involves their army, it's being directed from the highest places.

What can we do? What should be do? Is it an act of war?

I think it is and we ought to respond as if we'd been physically attacked. No, that doesn't mean invading China, but we ought to hack them too and cut them off from every possible form of aid, including the prevention of American corporations from doing any more business in China.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/20/w...?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130520&_r=0

We could be hacking them right now, except our hacking might be harder to detect.

I would bet we've been having a field day hacking into whatever we wanted to over there

 

[Crackerjaxon]

Perhaps they should make their computers safe from hackers?

Nah, too easy.

 

[namvet]

Al Gore can tell us what to do to secure the internet, seeing as he invented it.

he forgot to teach Biden

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-uz07_Fd_1U]Joe Biden On The Interwebs - YouTube[/ame]

 

[waltky]

Granny says dem Chinamens is tryin' to take our interweb down...

China's 'state-sponsored hackers renew attacks on US'
20 May 2013 : State-sponsored hackers have renewed attacks on the US after a three-month hiatus, the New York Times reports.

In February, Unit 61398 of the Chinese army was named as the source of many cyber-attacks on American companies and federal agencies. The publicity drew denials from the Chinese government, but also prompted the number of attacks launched from China to slow to a trickle. Now, the newspaper reports, the unit has resumed attacks on US companies.

Cyber-defence company Mandiant told the New York Times the unit, which is believed to operate out of a heavily guarded building in the suburbs of Shanghai, had recently stepped up its activity. It declined to name which agencies and businesses had been attacked. Earlier this year Mandiant published detailed evidence suggesting Unit 61398 was behind the vast majority of significant attacks on American federal agencies and industrial organisations. Government documents, intellectual property, blueprints and many other confidential papers had been stolen during the attacks, said Mandiant.

Hide tracks

In the wake of that report and condemnation by the Obama administration, the unit apparently scaled back its activity, uninstalling spying tools and the remote access code it had placed on networks. But now, Mandiant told the paper, the unit had sprung back into action and was working at about 70% of its former capacity. In a bid to hide its tracks, the unit had started using different computers to insert its remote access tools, the company said.

China has persistently denied sponsoring the attacks, saying the US is the real cyber-aggressor. It said Mandiant's report was flawed and did not contain enough proof to back up its accusations. The cyber-attacks are expected to be one of the main topics of discussion when President Obama's national security adviser visits China for talks in late July.

BBC News - China's 'state-sponsored hackers renew attacks on US'

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Millions hit by Yahoo Japan hack attack
20 May 2013 - Up to 22 million login names may have been stolen during a hack attack on Yahoo Japan.

A file of ID details for about one tenth of its 200 million members was stolen during the attack, it said. The file did not include all the information needed by attackers to impersonate users. Despite this, it said it would urge people to change their passwords to thwart attempts to take over Yahoo accounts.

The attack on Yahoo Japan's administration system was spotted late on 16 May, said the company in a statement. When the attack was detected, the tech firm cut net access while it investigated. The volume of traffic between Yahoo's back end admin system and the wider internet during the attack strongly suggested that a file of 22 million IDs had been stolen. Yahoo said it did not know for sure that the file had been taken but told AFP it could not "deny the possibility".

The file did not contain passwords or other information that could be used to re-set a password or confirm an identity, it said. Yahoo Japan, jointly owned by mobile firm Softbank and Yahoo, said it had tightened security measures in the wake of the attack and was investigating to ensure attackers could not repeat the theft. It was also contacting users to tell them to change their login passwords.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-22594136

 

[RoadVirus]

Detonate a nuclear weapon in the upper atmosphere above China. That'll stop their hacking for a good long time. Let em live life in the Dark Ages for a while.

Yeah, but that would probably provoke a response, don't you think?

It's all self-defense. China is hacking into our computer networks, stealing information and sabotaging operations.

 

[Sallow]

The Chinese army is after us again. They'd quit momentarily after the news was released that their cyber unit was behind attacks on US government and business concerns, but now they're back.

We know who's doing it and it's not hard to figure out why. It's a high-tech form of espionage and guerrilla warfare and we're under attack.

The Obama administration better take this seriously before our security becomes badly compromised, if it hasn't been already. "Jawboning" the Chinese won't work because they know exactly what they're doing and since it involves their army, it's being directed from the highest places.

What can we do? What should be do? Is it an act of war?

I think it is and we ought to respond as if we'd been physically attacked. No, that doesn't mean invading China, but we ought to hack them too and cut them off from every possible form of aid, including the prevention of American corporations from doing any more business in China.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/20/w...?nl=todaysheadlines&emc=edit_th_20130520&_r=0

First off, this is the direct result of outsourcing.

Secondly, no, it's not an "act of war".

Third we can counteract this by discontinuing the practice of outsourcing and make IT work a viable career option again.

 

[jknowgood]

Obama needs to let them get his plan for getting all his social plans approved. Then china would be as screwed as we are.