When I first truly realized that God exists.......

[EvilCat Breath]

This happened in, of all places, in an English class I was taking in the fall/winter semester of 1980. It was an interesting class, and the professor was quite good. We read famous plays from a textbook designed for the class, then we wrote essays on each play. I was doing pretty well in the class, I had a solid B average going into the semester final. Well, the final was on Romeo and Juliet, and you had to write an essay on that play. And you were allowed to use the textbook or any notes you may have made to help with your essay. Well, we had known for a week what the final would be on, and I had come up with absolutely NO ideas for the essay. The good thing about the final is that we were allowed to use the whole 50-55 minutes of the class to write our essay. After staring at the textbook, my notes, and passages highlighted in yellow, for about 10 minutes, I STILL had no idea what I was going to write. I made an earnest prayer to God, asking for help. Moments after praying, and I'm NOT making this up, an electric current seemed to go through my body, and a CHANDELIER of light bulbs went off in my head! I looked at my highlighted passages, and suddenly I had an idea for my essay. It wasn't a GREAT idea, but it was an idea, nonetheless. I got a C+ for the essay. Our professor offered us something quite original, something I had never heard of before then, and never heard again in my later college classes. He offered us the choice of meeting with him, I believe later that day, and discuss how we could make our essays better, and get a higher grade. I, of course, took his offer, and he generously suggested HOW I could make my essay better. I re-wrote it and he upped my grade to B+. So, in parting, I KNOW some of the atheists that post on here will sneer at and debunk my experience. But that's OK, I don't take these people seriously anyway. There's my strange, wonderful, and TRUE story
of how I first truly realized that God exists.

I want to know what happened to Romeo and Juliet.

They died.

 

[BreezeWood]

Actually they were indentured servants. And the passages describe raising the standard of how they were to be treated. They did not have forced slavery like their neighbors and their neighbors did not have the high standards for how they treated their forced slaves or indentured servants.

leave it to a militant atheist to lie about this.

Actually they were indentured servants. And the passages describe raising the standard of how they were to be treated.

.
christian standards -

they have been the same since the 4th century ... the lowest form of life on planet Earth.

 

[bluzman61]

This happened in, of all places, in an English class I was taking in the fall/winter semester of 1980. It was an interesting class, and the professor was quite good. We read famous plays from a textbook designed for the class, then we wrote essays on each play. I was doing pretty well in the class, I had a solid B average going into the semester final. Well, the final was on Romeo and Juliet, and you had to write an essay on that play. And you were allowed to use the textbook or any notes you may have made to help with your essay. Well, we had known for a week what the final would be on, and I had come up with absolutely NO ideas for the essay. The good thing about the final is that we were allowed to use the whole 50-55 minutes of the class to write our essay. After staring at the textbook, my notes, and passages highlighted in yellow, for about 10 minutes, I STILL had no idea what I was going to write. I made an earnest prayer to God, asking for help. Moments after praying, and I'm NOT making this up, an electric current seemed to go through my body, and a CHANDELIER of light bulbs went off in my head! I looked at my highlighted passages, and suddenly I had an idea for my essay. It wasn't a GREAT idea, but it was an idea, nonetheless. I got a C+ for the essay. Our professor offered us something quite original, something I had never heard of before then, and never heard again in my later college classes. He offered us the choice of meeting with him, I believe later that day, and discuss how we could make our essays better, and get a higher grade. I, of course, took his offer, and he generously suggested HOW I could make my essay better. I re-wrote it and he upped my grade to B+. So, in parting, I KNOW some of the atheists that post on here will sneer at and debunk my experience. But that's OK, I don't take these people seriously anyway. There's my strange, wonderful, and TRUE story
of how I first truly realized that God exists.

I want to know what happened to Romeo and Juliet.

They died.

They sure DID, unfortunately. They died of "mutual suicide", if you will.

 

[two_iron]

I'm not particularly religious, but the undeniable existence of God occurred for me on Nov. 9, 2016, at about 4 am. I believe they had just called Wisconsin for Trump. Maybe it was Michigan.

For the first time ever, I was watching a channel called msnbc, and there was a spectacle of gender-confused, sniveling shitstains crying uncontrollably as I slipped into the most peaceful, blissful slumber and slept like a little boy. I remember thanking God for making me so superior to those defective, substandard fuckups as I felt a dreamy ecstasy overwhelm me. I was musing about the agonizing, mind-numbing misery engulfing the Beast and her demented, satanic worshipers.... and nodded toward the heavens, smirked and thanked God as I slept in His loving arms.

I look forward to this again. Soon.

 

[bluzman61]

I'm not particularly religious, but the undeniable existence of God occurred for me on Nov. 9, 2016, at about 4 am. I believe they had just called Wisconsin for Trump. Maybe it was Michigan.

For the first time ever, I was watching a channel called msnbc, and there was a spectacle of gender-confused, sniveling shitstains crying uncontrollably as I slipped into the most peaceful, blissful slumber and slept like a little boy. I remember thanking God for making me so superior to those defective, substandard fuckups as I felt a dreamy ecstasy overwhelm me. I was musing about the agonizing, mind-numbing misery engulfing the Beast and her demented, satanic worshipers.... and nodded toward the heavens, smirked and thanked God as I slept in His loving arms.

I look forward to this again. Soon.

That night WAS beautiful, wasn't it? The most hilarious reactions that night were Madcow TOTALLY losing it on national TV, and also Cenk, the head Young Turd, absolutely losing it, as well. THAT was SO sweet!

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Because it's clear you're mistaken.

About what, specifically?

 

[barn sour]

Which is why you try to discredit the fact that the Jews raised standards heads and shoulders above their contemporaries.

Sure they did. Christians, too. They finally set us on a path of prosperity that led to great minds arising (a.phenomenon delayed by a good 1000+ years by religious nonsense in the dark ages). Now, whether the early empires did this for baby jesus, or for yahweh, or for power and wealth is its own discussion. But a short one.

Their handicap -- mysticism-fueled immorality and ignorance -- took 1000 years to overcome in order to recover the hellenistic and classical ideas they had, themselves, squashed. Then secular philosophies based on socratic and aristotelean thought once again began to emerge. This brought us the enlightenment. No, the religions that stood there and didn't just not help, but even pushed back against this for 1600 years, get zero credit for this enlightenment. Zilch. Nada.

Apparently you have never actually read the Old Testament. That's okay. Very few people have done more than pick and choose. Sin entered the world when Adam sinned. You'll see a lot of sin in the OT. Just as you see a lot of sin today. If you think man has somehow improved in this modern world, then you are simply living in LaLa Land.

Yes, quite the AGE of ENLIGHTENMENT we're seeing all around us.

The Enlightenment can be described as the period of time when the waning influence of the Christian Church in Europe allowed for the blossoming expression of music, arts, literature and science. The Church literally held back western civilization for 800 years.

Yet, Christianity and FAITH have remained the same.

The "Church" is not the same as the Christian faith. Unless you understand that, you won't understand.

BTW, you should actually read the Genesis fable. Sin already existed before that fruit theft incident. You have never taken the time to read the fable or make any attempt to understand the contradictions. Given the story, man did not commit the first sin-- Lucifer did, and thus became Satan. Religionists literally don't understand that before man was created, there had to be a conflict that allowed Lucifer to become the tempter in the test the gods offers to his unenlightened creations, Adam and Eve. Clearly, the gods have created evil, and allowed it to flourish even before Man is created. Per the fable, the tree of knowledge of good and evil already existed before the appearance of A&E.

If you would read more carefully, you'd see I said that "SIN ENTERED THE WORLD" when Adam sinned. Sin and death entered the world when Adam sinned.

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" Romans 5:12

Clearly, you are under the impression that there are "gods"....proving you are not really enlightened at all.

I'm not so sure that Christianity and faith have remained the same. There are dozens of sects / subsects of Christianity, many of them hostile to one another.

It doesn't matter how many sects there are. There is only one Truth, and that has been in effect since the Apostle Paul preached salvation by grace through faith. It's fundamental and can be traced back to the time of Christ.

You need to actually study your Bible'ology. Sin had already entered the world (the tree of knowledge of good and evil), before A&E. It's spelled out for you but you have never taken the time to actually understand the candle.

I'm sorry but it almost seems like you think a little too highly of yourself on this subject. I've been reading and studying the Bible for fifty years. There was nothing wrong with the tree of knowledge, sin was not in the tree, and it wasn't until Adam disobeyed God that sin entered the world. Adam broke God's law -- sin is transgression of the law. Adam's disobedience to God was what brought sin and death into the world. Don't you believe what Scripture says, or are you looking to some "candle" for your inspiration? Please feel free to share. I'll certainly listen. A discussion would be better than suggesting I've "never taken the time"....since I have spent half a century reading God's word.

Quiz: What was the punishment for fruit theft?

Thouest shall actually readeth them-there Bibles": Romans 5:12(a)

The punishment wasn't for "fruit theft". And let me help you with that quote since you didn't seem to read it. Romans 512 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Clearly, you are not understanding the triune nature of the gods... proving you are not a true Christian at all.

Wow, this is fun. There is ONE GOD, and He is triune. ONE GOD. The Lord thy God is ONE. There are not three gods. There is only ONE. And yes, that ONE God is triune. I understand His nature quite well. I also know exactly what the Bible says about HIM.

 

[barn sour]

Because it's clear you're mistaken.

About what, specifically?

You're wrong about the low morality of God's people, for one. You're also mistaken about slavery. An indentured slave, for instance, is not the same as the slavery you seem to be thinking of.

 

[barn sour]

Actually they were indentured servants. And the passages describe raising the standard of how they were to be treated. They did not have forced slavery like their neighbors and their neighbors did not have the high standards for how they treated their forced slaves or indentured servants.

leave it to a militant atheist to lie about this.

Actually they were indentured servants. And the passages describe raising the standard of how they were to be treated.

.
christian standards -

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they have been the same since the 4th century ... the lowest form of life on planet Earth.

Those aren't Christian standards.

Just like a boy who calls himself a girl is not a girl.

 

[Hollie]

Which is why you try to discredit the fact that the Jews raised standards heads and shoulders above their contemporaries.

Sure they did. Christians, too. They finally set us on a path of prosperity that led to great minds arising (a.phenomenon delayed by a good 1000+ years by religious nonsense in the dark ages). Now, whether the early empires did this for baby jesus, or for yahweh, or for power and wealth is its own discussion. But a short one.

Their handicap -- mysticism-fueled immorality and ignorance -- took 1000 years to overcome in order to recover the hellenistic and classical ideas they had, themselves, squashed. Then secular philosophies based on socratic and aristotelean thought once again began to emerge. This brought us the enlightenment. No, the religions that stood there and didn't just not help, but even pushed back against this for 1600 years, get zero credit for this enlightenment. Zilch. Nada.

Apparently you have never actually read the Old Testament. That's okay. Very few people have done more than pick and choose. Sin entered the world when Adam sinned. You'll see a lot of sin in the OT. Just as you see a lot of sin today. If you think man has somehow improved in this modern world, then you are simply living in LaLa Land.

Yes, quite the AGE of ENLIGHTENMENT we're seeing all around us.

The Enlightenment can be described as the period of time when the waning influence of the Christian Church in Europe allowed for the blossoming expression of music, arts, literature and science. The Church literally held back western civilization for 800 years.

Yet, Christianity and FAITH have remained the same.

The "Church" is not the same as the Christian faith. Unless you understand that, you won't understand.

BTW, you should actually read the Genesis fable. Sin already existed before that fruit theft incident. You have never taken the time to read the fable or make any attempt to understand the contradictions. Given the story, man did not commit the first sin-- Lucifer did, and thus became Satan. Religionists literally don't understand that before man was created, there had to be a conflict that allowed Lucifer to become the tempter in the test the gods offers to his unenlightened creations, Adam and Eve. Clearly, the gods have created evil, and allowed it to flourish even before Man is created. Per the fable, the tree of knowledge of good and evil already existed before the appearance of A&E.

If you would read more carefully, you'd see I said that "SIN ENTERED THE WORLD" when Adam sinned. Sin and death entered the world when Adam sinned.

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" Romans 5:12

Clearly, you are under the impression that there are "gods"....proving you are not really enlightened at all.

I'm not so sure that Christianity and faith have remained the same. There are dozens of sects / subsects of Christianity, many of them hostile to one another.

It doesn't matter how many sects there are. There is only one Truth, and that has been in effect since the Apostle Paul preached salvation by grace through faith. It's fundamental and can be traced back to the time of Christ.

You need to actually study your Bible'ology. Sin had already entered the world (the tree of knowledge of good and evil), before A&E. It's spelled out for you but you have never taken the time to actually understand the candle.

I'm sorry but it almost seems like you think a little too highly of yourself on this subject. I've been reading and studying the Bible for fifty years. There was nothing wrong with the tree of knowledge, sin was not in the tree, and it wasn't until Adam disobeyed God that sin entered the world. Adam broke God's law -- sin is transgression of the law. Adam's disobedience to God was what brought sin and death into the world. Don't you believe what Scripture says, or are you looking to some "candle" for your inspiration? Please feel free to share. I'll certainly listen. A discussion would be better than suggesting I've "never taken the time"....since I have spent half a century reading God's word.

Quiz: What was the punishment for fruit theft?

Thouest shall actually readeth them-there Bibles": Romans 5:12(a)

The punishment wasn't for "fruit theft". And let me help you with that quote since you didn't seem to read it. Romans 512 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Clearly, you are not understanding the triune nature of the gods... proving you are not a true Christian at all.

Wow, this is fun. There is ONE GOD, and He is triune. ONE GOD. The Lord thy God is ONE. There are not three gods. There is only ONE. And yes, that ONE God is triune. I understand His nature quite well. I also know exactly what the Bible says about HIM.

Of course it matters how many sects there are. It matters how may religions there are as these religions all claim to be the "one twoof". These twoofers have a history of slaughtering one another to prove just as twoof-ful they are. Your claims to the supremacy of your gods and your religion are similar to the claims made by all the other religions.

No religion claims itself secondary in comparison to its competition. That would dismantle the authority of every religion ("Well, we're sort of right," said the Dalai Lama, "But you know, maybe those Moslems are really right." Uh, not likely.)

What does it matter how long you you have been reading the Bibles? Not understanding what you read only reinforces confusion. It seems you have a profound misunderstanding of a core element of the Genesis fable; that sin existed prior to the introduction of A&E and that the gods ultimately knew A&E would fail the test. That seemingly minor crime of fruit theft had lasting implications for all of humanity. Rote memorization of Bible verses without ever taking a critical examination of the material is a problem shared by most religionists.

Try and read the fable in context. The gods put forth a test to two humans without giving them either the ability to make a considered choice nor did he bother to tell them the consequences would extend to every person born after them.

This is strange. A supposed god in many forms, both human and supernatural and you're claiming "ONE GOD"? That sounds like many, or at least a triune, maybe several, or a few. It seems odd to suggest you know your gods when you seem to hold some rather confused impressions of these gods who were invented by Men who are largely unknown,

 

[ding]

The guy just runs around here insulting people. If he behaved like that in real life, how long do you believe he would get away acting like that.

which is why I think he’s a coward in real life he takes out all of his frustrations in life on an anonymous Internet forum behind the safety of his keyboard.

The guy just runs around here insulting people.

.
grow up bing, nothing compares to the desert books of forgeries and falacies not even you can out do them.

You and FF are two peas in a pod.

 

[ding]

Actually they were indentured servants. And the passages describe raising the standard of how they were to be treated. They did not have forced slavery like their neighbors and their neighbors did not have the high standards for how they treated their forced slaves or indentured servants.

leave it to a militant atheist to lie about this.

Actually they were indentured servants. And the passages describe raising the standard of how they were to be treated.

.
christian standards -

View attachment 338893

they have been the same since the 4th century ... the lowest form of life on planet Earth.

No. Those were Democrat standards. The Republicans who ended it displayed Christian standards.

but given your hatred and aggression towards Christians I can’t help but notice the similarity between you and the KKK.

 

[Hollie]

Because it's clear you're mistaken.

About what, specifically?

You're wrong about the low morality of God's people, for one. You're also mistaken about slavery. An indentured slave, for instance, is not the same as the slavery you seem to be thinking of.

It's pretty typical that religionists will redefine amorality as morality. You are certainly free to redefine slavery as acceptable via sidestepping and equivocation but that serves only as an excuse for a past history of Christian amoral behavior. Slavery has a long and lurid history in Christiandom. Take responsibility for what your ideology has done to humanity.

 

[BreezeWood]

Actually they were indentured servants. And the passages describe raising the standard of how they were to be treated. They did not have forced slavery like their neighbors and their neighbors did not have the high standards for how they treated their forced slaves or indentured servants.

leave it to a militant atheist to lie about this.

Actually they were indentured servants. And the passages describe raising the standard of how they were to be treated.

.
christian standards -

View attachment 338893

they have been the same since the 4th century ... the lowest form of life on planet Earth.

Those aren't Christian standards.

Just like a boy who calls himself a girl is not a girl.

Those aren't Christian standards.

Just like a boy who calls himself a girl is not a girl.

.
they are your desert standards ...

and have been since the 4th century when they wrote for you the book of forgeries and fallacies you use for the purposes the book was written for.

primarily a false belief in a messiah to reward your own transgressions.

the simple religion of antiquity is the means for the individual to validate their worthiness for remission to the Everlasting when properly accomplished.

the goal set for the siblings when sent on their way - for those that might so desire such a reward.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

What Bible did they carry?

Don't play coy. Either admit it, or take off.

You're wrong about the low morality of God's people, for one.

False. Their morality was horrible. And they pointed right to the bible for it. Maybe you need to brush up on some history.

 

[barn sour]

What Bible did they carry?

Don't play coy. Either admit it, or take off.

You're wrong about the low morality of God's people, for one.

False. Their morality was horrible. And they pointed right to the bible for it. Maybe you need to brush up on some history.

They didn't carry a Bible. I know you don't like that answer, do you?

Give me an example of their "horrible" morality, or continue to spew out your falsehoods without verification.

 

[barn sour]

Because it's clear you're mistaken.

About what, specifically?

You're wrong about the low morality of God's people, for one. You're also mistaken about slavery. An indentured slave, for instance, is not the same as the slavery you seem to be thinking of.

It's pretty typical that religionists will redefine amorality as morality. You are certainly free to redefine slavery as acceptable via sidestepping and equivocation but that serves only as an excuse for a past history of Christian amoral behavior. Slavery has a long and lurid history in Christiandom. Take responsibility for what your ideology has done to humanity.

It's pretty typical that nonbelievers rewrite history to suit their own vain imaginings. Do you know what indentured servitude was? They didn't have a nanny state back in the day that handed out money to people who didn't work. You paint with such a broad brush, I can't even respond. Are you talking about the Jews and their laws? That's what I thought we were talking about. Otherwise, the fact that you blame God for every ill perpetrated in His name is nonsensical.

Your hatred of religion has nothing to do with God. Your hatred should be directed at what man has done in the name of God. I'm surprised you can't see the difference.

 

[barn sour]

Which is why you try to discredit the fact that the Jews raised standards heads and shoulders above their contemporaries.

Sure they did. Christians, too. They finally set us on a path of prosperity that led to great minds arising (a.phenomenon delayed by a good 1000+ years by religious nonsense in the dark ages). Now, whether the early empires did this for baby jesus, or for yahweh, or for power and wealth is its own discussion. But a short one.

Their handicap -- mysticism-fueled immorality and ignorance -- took 1000 years to overcome in order to recover the hellenistic and classical ideas they had, themselves, squashed. Then secular philosophies based on socratic and aristotelean thought once again began to emerge. This brought us the enlightenment. No, the religions that stood there and didn't just not help, but even pushed back against this for 1600 years, get zero credit for this enlightenment. Zilch. Nada.

Apparently you have never actually read the Old Testament. That's okay. Very few people have done more than pick and choose. Sin entered the world when Adam sinned. You'll see a lot of sin in the OT. Just as you see a lot of sin today. If you think man has somehow improved in this modern world, then you are simply living in LaLa Land.

Yes, quite the AGE of ENLIGHTENMENT we're seeing all around us.

The Enlightenment can be described as the period of time when the waning influence of the Christian Church in Europe allowed for the blossoming expression of music, arts, literature and science. The Church literally held back western civilization for 800 years.

Yet, Christianity and FAITH have remained the same.

The "Church" is not the same as the Christian faith. Unless you understand that, you won't understand.

BTW, you should actually read the Genesis fable. Sin already existed before that fruit theft incident. You have never taken the time to read the fable or make any attempt to understand the contradictions. Given the story, man did not commit the first sin-- Lucifer did, and thus became Satan. Religionists literally don't understand that before man was created, there had to be a conflict that allowed Lucifer to become the tempter in the test the gods offers to his unenlightened creations, Adam and Eve. Clearly, the gods have created evil, and allowed it to flourish even before Man is created. Per the fable, the tree of knowledge of good and evil already existed before the appearance of A&E.

If you would read more carefully, you'd see I said that "SIN ENTERED THE WORLD" when Adam sinned. Sin and death entered the world when Adam sinned.

"Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:" Romans 5:12

Clearly, you are under the impression that there are "gods"....proving you are not really enlightened at all.

I'm not so sure that Christianity and faith have remained the same. There are dozens of sects / subsects of Christianity, many of them hostile to one another.

It doesn't matter how many sects there are. There is only one Truth, and that has been in effect since the Apostle Paul preached salvation by grace through faith. It's fundamental and can be traced back to the time of Christ.

You need to actually study your Bible'ology. Sin had already entered the world (the tree of knowledge of good and evil), before A&E. It's spelled out for you but you have never taken the time to actually understand the candle.

I'm sorry but it almost seems like you think a little too highly of yourself on this subject. I've been reading and studying the Bible for fifty years. There was nothing wrong with the tree of knowledge, sin was not in the tree, and it wasn't until Adam disobeyed God that sin entered the world. Adam broke God's law -- sin is transgression of the law. Adam's disobedience to God was what brought sin and death into the world. Don't you believe what Scripture says, or are you looking to some "candle" for your inspiration? Please feel free to share. I'll certainly listen. A discussion would be better than suggesting I've "never taken the time"....since I have spent half a century reading God's word.

Quiz: What was the punishment for fruit theft?

Thouest shall actually readeth them-there Bibles": Romans 5:12(a)

The punishment wasn't for "fruit theft". And let me help you with that quote since you didn't seem to read it. Romans 512 Wherefore, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

Clearly, you are not understanding the triune nature of the gods... proving you are not a true Christian at all.

Wow, this is fun. There is ONE GOD, and He is triune. ONE GOD. The Lord thy God is ONE. There are not three gods. There is only ONE. And yes, that ONE God is triune. I understand His nature quite well. I also know exactly what the Bible says about HIM.

Of course it matters how many sects there are. It matters how may religions there are as these religions all claim to be the "one twoof". These twoofers have a history of slaughtering one another to prove just as twoof-ful they are. Your claims to the supremacy of your gods and your religion are similar to the claims made by all the other religions.

No religion claims itself secondary in comparison to its competition. That would dismantle the authority of every religion ("Well, we're sort of right," said the Dalai Lama, "But you know, maybe those Moslems are really right." Uh, not likely.)

What does it matter how long you you have been reading the Bibles? Not understanding what you read only reinforces confusion. It seems you have a profound misunderstanding of a core element of the Genesis fable; that sin existed prior to the introduction of A&E and that the gods ultimately knew A&E would fail the test. That seemingly minor crime of fruit theft had lasting implications for all of humanity. Rote memorization of Bible verses without ever taking a critical examination of the material is a problem shared by most religionists.

Try and read the fable in context. The gods put forth a test to two humans without giving them either the ability to make a considered choice nor did he bother to tell them the consequences would extend to every person born after them.

This is strange. A supposed god in many forms, both human and supernatural and you're claiming "ONE GOD"? That sounds like many, or at least a triune, maybe several, or a few. It seems odd to suggest you know your gods when you seem to hold some rather confused impressions of these gods who were invented by Men who are largely unknown,

It's really quite humorous to be talking to someone who thinks the Bible is a fable and yet continues to lecture me about what I know to be Truth.

Yep, I know what happened with Satan (it's right there in the Bible), and yes, I understand God gave Adam and Eve a choice to obey Him, and yes, I know it was no surprise that the free will He gave them would result in what happened. That's all in the Bible, too. I can't help it if you don't believe what is clearly taught in the Bible.

I'm sorry you seem unable to understand how our ONE God can be three persons. Always one and always united. But, that, too is clearly shown and explained in the Bible. All Scripture is given by inspiration of God. Just because you call it "fable" doesn't make you right. It simply shows you remain in the dark.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

They didn't carry a Bible.

False. Like i said, you really need to read up on history before commenting again. Until then, post your silly falsehoods to someone else.

 

[Hollie]

Because it's clear you're mistaken.

About what, specifically?

You're wrong about the low morality of God's people, for one. You're also mistaken about slavery. An indentured slave, for instance, is not the same as the slavery you seem to be thinking of.

It's pretty typical that religionists will redefine amorality as morality. You are certainly free to redefine slavery as acceptable via sidestepping and equivocation but that serves only as an excuse for a past history of Christian amoral behavior. Slavery has a long and lurid history in Christiandom. Take responsibility for what your ideology has done to humanity.

It's pretty typical that nonbelievers rewrite history to suit their own vain imaginings. Do you know what indentured servitude was? They didn't have a nanny state back in the day that handed out money to people who didn't work. You paint with such a broad brush, I can't even respond. Are you talking about the Jews and their laws? That's what I thought we were talking about. Otherwise, the fact that you blame God for every ill perpetrated in His name is nonsensical.

Your hatred of religion has nothing to do with God. Your hatred should be directed at what man has done in the name of God. I'm surprised you can't see the difference.

Who is rewriting history? It seems to be you in excusing slavery. The problem with your applying equivocation to slavery is that it had consequences for the enslaved. My objection to using the Bibles as a moral guide is based exclusively on the listed ethics in the Bibles which fall far short of present day ethics man applies in modern day civilization. Even the cruelest of penalties, the death penalty, is done more humanely by man than we see that the gods would have it done. Slavery is not condemned in the Bibles but it is in the laws of the USA for instance. Stoning of criminals is a viable method of punishment in the Bibles but it is not acceptable to modern civilized nations. That is why there is such outrage against sharia in Moslem countries. It's not because they go "against the word of the Gods" -- but because they adhere to the word of the Gods. Why is that?

I don't hate your gods. That's more involvement with your gods than I need or want.