When Our Government Allowed to Raid an Attorney’s Office

[jc456]

Cohen is up to his eyeballs in bank fraud? He owns 200 taxi medalions in NYC, which were previously worth $1,000,000 each. Now with Uber, they're worth less than $200,000. Cohen had to get all the hush money from somewhere, and they suspect bank fraud because Cohen had to borrow from his house to get $130,000.

I thought Trump had billions? (-:

what does that have to do with anything?

Trump didn't pay the girls, so Cohen footed the bill .... and it appears likely he violated laws concerning transfers of money.

so how does that interject into trump exactly? you know the attorney client thingy.

It doesn't. There's no attny client privilege if Cohen did it all on his own, which he and Trump say was the case. Are you beginning to see how this works? LOL

not at all, see there is nothing to raid his house on. He was cooperating I call that abuse of power, and I'm calling it out. as many times as I can jack.

 

[bendog]

what's the punishment? do you even know?

An amount of $130,000 illegal contribution could qualify for a felony conviction with up to 5-years in prison.

"In formulating these new penalties, Congress gave particular attention to conduit schemes, and determined that they should be subject to a separate felony penalty with a lower monetary floor than the general felony provision contained in BCRA for FECA offenses. Specifically, conduit crimes aggregating over $10,000 in a calendar year are now punishable as felonies, and subject to two years of imprisonment and mandatory minimum fines. 2 U.S.C. § 437g(d)(1)(1)(D). Conduit crimes aggregating $25,000 or more are subject to FECA’s other new felony provision, and are five year felonies."

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal/legacy/2013/09/30/electbook-0507.pdf


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I was thinking Trump's campaign would be looking at most at a fine. But thanks.

 

[jc456]

what's the punishment? do you even know?

Depends on the crime. Campaign finance is generally a fine. If Cohen violated withdraw disclosures he's looking at felony jail time. If he committed any fraud in obtaining the funds .... he's looking at really bad felony jail time.

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why was that important to russia russia exactly?

What's Russia got to do with it? You think Cohen is free to break any laws so long as Russia isn't involved?

sure, happens all the time in DC. let's get a special counsel and go after all the scum that is a politician in DC. Seth Rich was killed an not even an investigation. Dossier was illegally obtained and no investigation. here you got nothing and a fking raid. yeah, I'm not going with that. I'm calling it out jack.

Hillary's campaign disclosed payments her lawyers made for the dossier.

after they were caught, see how convenient you make it for the illegal act. funny ain't no different. where did they get their money from? it wasn't investigated computers weren't seized. not equal protection of the law in other words. I'm calling it out.

 

[bendog]

I thought Trump had billions? (-:

what does that have to do with anything?

Trump didn't pay the girls, so Cohen footed the bill .... and it appears likely he violated laws concerning transfers of money.

so how does that interject into trump exactly? you know the attorney client thingy.

It doesn't. There's no attny client privilege if Cohen did it all on his own, which he and Trump say was the case. Are you beginning to see how this works? LOL

not at all, see there is nothing to raid his house on. He was cooperating I call that abuse of power, and I'm calling it out. as many times as I can jack.

Yes, I'm sure you see an abuse of power in a search warrant looking for evidence of financial crimes

 

[kiwiman127]

All this crying and whining about a search done by Federal authorities, supported by written law, is being done by the useful idiots who would fully support Trump, if he shot someone one a street in Manhattan. What a shock! The mentally and intellectually challenged, strike again.

 

[Care4all]

yet not one RW dipshit can prove Cohen didnt offer enough probable cause to have a warrant executed ....

I don't give a rat-fuck about Trump, but that's why I want to see what they had.

This affects all of us. We can't let government just waltz into our attorneys' offices and grab all our communications unless doing so is PROVED to be just and reasonable, with the highest level of scrutiny by the issuing Judge or Magistrate.

Leftists' masturbatory obsession with impeaching Trump has clouded their judgment. They are going to fuck themselves over in the process.

only cohen and or his lawyers can give that to you..... he has the right to keep it private if he wants to....it's cohen you should be shouting at to show you....

if and when he is charged, if not sealed, we can know what they got in the indictment and in the trial, if not settled out of court....then I believe, it is once again, up to Cohen to release information....

 

[bendog]

Depends on the crime. Campaign finance is generally a fine. If Cohen violated withdraw disclosures he's looking at felony jail time. If he committed any fraud in obtaining the funds .... he's looking at really bad felony jail time.

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why was that important to russia russia exactly?

What's Russia got to do with it? You think Cohen is free to break any laws so long as Russia isn't involved?

sure, happens all the time in DC. let's get a special counsel and go after all the scum that is a politician in DC. Seth Rich was killed an not even an investigation. Dossier was illegally obtained and no investigation. here you got nothing and a fking raid. yeah, I'm not going with that. I'm calling it out jack.

Hillary's campaign disclosed payments her lawyers made for the dossier.

after they were caught, see how convenient you make it for the illegal act. funny ain't no different. where did they get their money from? it wasn't investigated computers weren't seized. not equal protection of the law in other words. I'm calling it out.

No no no. Hillary's campaign listed the payments for the dossier under legal fees. Which is right where Trump should have listed the payouts. That's the whole schtick. Trump didn't want to disclose it. Now Hillary didn't says "my lawyers paid for dossier" but that's not really necessary so long as the money is disclosed.

 

[WorldWatcher]

I was thinking Trump's campaign would be looking at most at a fine. But thanks.

The Trump campaign would only have to pay the fine if they had knowledge of the in kind contribution. If the records that Cohen had show that there Trump and the campaign had not knowledge of the hush money paid to a porn star 11 days before the election to keep the information from the American voter and that Cohen acted on his own. They wouldn't be on the hook.

If the campaign did know, they still might only get a fine. Cohen on the other hand as the "fixer" that did the action? I don't know, he might get a fine, but they could also pursue criminal felony prosecution.

Of course his willingness to be truthful with Mueller about other illegal activities and possible Russian ties might influence a plea deal resulting in a fine, or lack thereof might influence felony charges.



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[jc456]

what's the punishment? do you even know?

An amount of $130,000 illegal contribution could qualify for a felony conviction with up to 5-years in prison.

"In formulating these new penalties, Congress gave particular attention to conduit schemes, and determined that they should be subject to a separate felony penalty with a lower monetary floor than the general felony provision contained in BCRA for FECA offenses. Specifically, conduit crimes aggregating over $10,000 in a calendar year are now punishable as felonies, and subject to two years of imprisonment and mandatory minimum fines. 2 U.S.C. § 437g(d)(1)(1)(D). Conduit crimes aggregating $25,000 or more are subject to FECA’s other new felony provision, and are five year felonies."

https://www.justice.gov/sites/default/files/criminal/legacy/2013/09/30/electbook-0507.pdf


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you need to learn what a conduit crime is first.

 

[Care4all]

the one thing that sends mob bosses bat shit crazy and off the scale: is the Law getting a warrant for their lawyer's offices!

me thinks the president protests too much...

or as another saying goes....

It's the guilty dog, who barks the loudest!

 

[WEATHER53]

The liberals in their unhinged emotional state have accidentally revealed their true platform
That is:
Any negative information that Trump prevented from getting out would have harmed Hillary and is therefore is an election violation of some nebulous variety. If anyone could have gotten the story out they would get a Nobel but anyone that stopped it diminished , presuming of course that millions of voters would have just flocked to Hillary if they had the tawdry story, Hillarys chances( an unproven theory) and is thus guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors and should be thrown out of office
So there you have it fact dominated conservatives. Speculation and innuendo not about Russians, not about preserving our cherished election process from foreign intervention, but about bad feelings over that if more negative information about Trump could have gotten out then she would have won but since it didn't she lost and that's a crime worthy of impeachment and removal from office

 

[jc456]

why was that important to russia russia exactly?

What's Russia got to do with it? You think Cohen is free to break any laws so long as Russia isn't involved?

sure, happens all the time in DC. let's get a special counsel and go after all the scum that is a politician in DC. Seth Rich was killed an not even an investigation. Dossier was illegally obtained and no investigation. here you got nothing and a fking raid. yeah, I'm not going with that. I'm calling it out jack.

Hillary's campaign disclosed payments her lawyers made for the dossier.

after they were caught, see how convenient you make it for the illegal act. funny ain't no different. where did they get their money from? it wasn't investigated computers weren't seized. not equal protection of the law in other words. I'm calling it out.

No no no. Hillary's campaign listed the payments for the dossier under legal fees. Which is right where Trump should have listed the payouts. That's the whole schtick. Trump didn't want to disclose it. Now Hillary didn't says "my lawyers paid for dossier" but that's not really necessary so long as the money is disclosed.

trump didn't pay out anything.

 

[bendog]

I was thinking Trump's campaign would be looking at most at a fine. But thanks.

The Trump campaign would only have to pay the fine if they had knowledge of the in kind contribution. If the records that Cohen had show that there Trump and the campaign had not knowledge of the hush money paid to a porn star 11 days before the election to keep the information from the American voter and that Cohen acted on his own. They wouldn't be on the hook.

If the campaign did know, they still might only get a fine. Cohen on the other hand as the "fixer" that did the action? I don't know, he might get a fine, but they could also pursue criminal felony prosecution.

Of course his willingness to be truthful with Mueller about other illegal activities and possible Russian ties might influence a plea deal resulting in a fine, or lack thereof might influence felony charges.



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And THAT is what it's really about for Trump. What does Cohen have, that's not privileged, about Trump and Russia to trade to Mueller for Mueller to ask the NY prosecutor to cut the guy a break. Trump probably doesn't care much if his sexual escapes are now disclosed after the election. I doubt his polls will be affected.

 

[bendog]

What's Russia got to do with it? You think Cohen is free to break any laws so long as Russia isn't involved?

sure, happens all the time in DC. let's get a special counsel and go after all the scum that is a politician in DC. Seth Rich was killed an not even an investigation. Dossier was illegally obtained and no investigation. here you got nothing and a fking raid. yeah, I'm not going with that. I'm calling it out jack.

Hillary's campaign disclosed payments her lawyers made for the dossier.

after they were caught, see how convenient you make it for the illegal act. funny ain't no different. where did they get their money from? it wasn't investigated computers weren't seized. not equal protection of the law in other words. I'm calling it out.

No no no. Hillary's campaign listed the payments for the dossier under legal fees. Which is right where Trump should have listed the payouts. That's the whole schtick. Trump didn't want to disclose it. Now Hillary didn't says "my lawyers paid for dossier" but that's not really necessary so long as the money is disclosed.

trump didn't pay out anything.

Exactly. Which is why he can't claim Cohen's payments were privileged and not fair game for a warrant.

 

[jc456]

sure, happens all the time in DC. let's get a special counsel and go after all the scum that is a politician in DC. Seth Rich was killed an not even an investigation. Dossier was illegally obtained and no investigation. here you got nothing and a fking raid. yeah, I'm not going with that. I'm calling it out jack.

Hillary's campaign disclosed payments her lawyers made for the dossier.

after they were caught, see how convenient you make it for the illegal act. funny ain't no different. where did they get their money from? it wasn't investigated computers weren't seized. not equal protection of the law in other words. I'm calling it out.

No no no. Hillary's campaign listed the payments for the dossier under legal fees. Which is right where Trump should have listed the payouts. That's the whole schtick. Trump didn't want to disclose it. Now Hillary didn't says "my lawyers paid for dossier" but that's not really necessary so long as the money is disclosed.

trump didn't pay out anything.

Exactly. Which is why he can't claim Cohen's payments were privileged and not fair game for a warrant.

a warrant why? it was a transaction in court. explain how it is illegal.

 

[jc456]

I was thinking Trump's campaign would be looking at most at a fine. But thanks.

The Trump campaign would only have to pay the fine if they had knowledge of the in kind contribution. If the records that Cohen had show that there Trump and the campaign had not knowledge of the hush money paid to a porn star 11 days before the election to keep the information from the American voter and that Cohen acted on his own. They wouldn't be on the hook.

If the campaign did know, they still might only get a fine. Cohen on the other hand as the "fixer" that did the action? I don't know, he might get a fine, but they could also pursue criminal felony prosecution.

Of course his willingness to be truthful with Mueller about other illegal activities and possible Russian ties might influence a plea deal resulting in a fine, or lack thereof might influence felony charges.



>>>>

And THAT is what it's really about for Trump. What does Cohen have, that's not privileged, about Trump and Russia to trade to Mueller for Mueller to ask the NY prosecutor to cut the guy a break. Trump probably doesn't care much if his sexual escapes are now disclosed after the election. I doubt his polls will be affected.

again a nothing burger that interfered in a law abiding citizens life. when the rule of law no longer means anything is what we're watching. overreach and illegal warrants.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

They do not owe us a damn thing, just to the guy that had it happen to him.

If they do the same to you then you are owed a reason why, but I am not owned one if they do it to you. It is none of my damn business.

You are no libertarian.

So, they can fuck over everybody's rights as long as they keep it a secret from everyone else.

Keep us all ignorant.

Are you crazy? You think it is a Libertarian principle to tell the whole world the private business of a individual?

Imagine this headline...”Bootney Lee Farnsworth had a warrant served on his place of business today under suspicion of child porn and kidnapping”

Now, even if it turns out to be 100% a false lead, you are forever now known as a pervert.

Is that really want you think our Govt should be doing?


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[jc456]

They do not owe us a damn thing, just to the guy that had it happen to him.

If they do the same to you then you are owed a reason why, but I am not owned one if they do it to you. It is none of my damn business.

You are no libertarian.

So, they can fuck over everybody's rights as long as they keep it a secret from everyone else.

Keep us all ignorant.

Are you crazy? You think it is a Libertarian principle to tell the whole world the private business of a individual?

Imagine this headline...”Bootney Lee Farnsworth had a warrant served on his place of business today under suspicion of child porn and kidnapping”

Now, even if it turns out to be 100% a false lead, you are forever now known as a pervert.

Is that really want you think our Govt should be doing?


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yes, that is exactly what we expect. why are you against it? you certainly aren't against illegal searches and warrants.

 

[WEATHER53]

The liberals in their unhinged emotional state have accidentally revealed their true platform
That is:
Any negative information that Trump prevented from getting out would have harmed Hillary and is therefore is an election violation of some nebulous variety. If anyone could have gotten the story out they would get a Nobel but anyone that stopped it diminished , presuming of course that millions of voters would have just flocked to Hillary if they had the tawdry story, Hillarys chances( an unproven theory) and is thus guilty of high crimes and misdemeanors and should be thrown out of office
So there you have it fact dominated conservatives. Speculation and innuendo not about Russians, not about preserving our cherished election process from foreign intervention, but about bad feelings over that if more negative information about Trump could have gotten out then she would have won but since it didn't she lost and that's a crime worthy of impeachment and removal from office

Its a winner times 10
What obligation did Trump have to provide negative information about himself to the American public? NONE
What "rights" did the American public have to be in receipt of this information ? NONE
Who can prove that if the public knew about this that Hillary would or even could have won. NOONE, its speculative theory.
What obligation or requirement did Trump have to present this to the public and/or be in jepordy if he prevented it from becoming public? NONE , it would be insisting upon self incrimination to state that he did

 

[Harpy Eagle]

They do not owe us a damn thing, just to the guy that had it happen to him.

If they do the same to you then you are owed a reason why, but I am not owned one if they do it to you. It is none of my damn business.

You are no libertarian.

So, they can fuck over everybody's rights as long as they keep it a secret from everyone else.

Keep us all ignorant.

Are you crazy? You think it is a Libertarian principle to tell the whole world the private business of a individual?

Imagine this headline...”Bootney Lee Farnsworth had a warrant served on his place of business today under suspicion of child porn and kidnapping”

Now, even if it turns out to be 100% a false lead, you are forever now known as a pervert.

Is that really want you think our Govt should be doing?


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yes, that is exactly what we expect. why are you against it? you certainly aren't against illegal searches and warrants.

I am against it because I respect the individual and their privacy. Do bad all you give a shit about is defending Trump to your dying breath


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