When was the last time the left blamed the actual guy that killed 17 people?

[Care4all]

The gun was left there in a paper bag, he took the bag and by accident dropped the paper bag on to a rocky jetty area or dropped the gun that he found in the bag or something like that at the beach where he had walked to, and the gun that he found in the bag went off when it hit the rocky area, that set the gun off and ultimately killed the girl.....if this is the same case I had read about, a couple of months ago???

That is a physical impossibility. There are multiple mechanical interlocks that can only allow the gun to fire when the trigger is pulled. You could place a punch on the firing pin and hit it with a hammer without effect. Without the trigger lifting a transfer bar into place there is no possible way for the firing pin to contact the primer of the cartridge.

Just saying....that was the perp.'s defense and the prosecutor could not or did not, prove otherwise....thus the jury's verdict, of not guilty.

 

[rshermn]

And the guy who killed 17 at a high school shouldn’t have been able to buy a gun.

That dude in San Francisco shot ONE person and it was by accident. But you Righties sure ran with it .

The ILLEGAL ALIEN didn't shoot Kate Steinle by accident, he intentionally pulled the trigger. Only simple minded people can even begin to think that. We all agree that the kid shouldn't have been allowed to buy a gun. YOUR government FAILED to do their duty and by THEIR inaction, he was able to buy a gun, and murder people.

Government failure? CHECK.

Sorry but you say the illegal alien intentionally pulled the trigger. But this issue went to case. And the jury decided the incident was an accidental shooting. So, we can believe you or the jury. You, me boy, loose.

Do we all believe that this clown should not have been in the us, yes.
Do we all believe that he have not have had a handgun. Yes.

Sorry, me boy, but saying a jury was unanimously simple minded is stupid.

And, he did not murder people, he stupidly shot a pistol by mistake. So the jury said.
Terrible thing. Kate should be alive. But in this country in 2013
we had nearly 34,000 deaths by firearm. Get that number, me boy. 34,000!!!!!!!
And many were by guns acquired illegally. And you are trying to make a case of one accidental killing bing a murder, because you want it to be a murder.
You look, to me, just plain stupid.

All the verdict proved was that the DA was a moron, and the "expert" they chose for the case was either ignored or likewise a moron. The illegal alien placed his finger on the trigger, he then pulled it. That requires an act of volition. That makes the firing of the pistol INTENTIONAL.

No, it means having his finger on the trigger was intentional, me boy. If you ever fired a gun, you would have a clue. One of the worst mistakes those new to guns like you, is that they put too much unintended pressure on the trigger. That means, me ignorant con tool, that the gun often goes boom. Often by mistake. Look, it is WAY to hard to understand, and does not meet the con description. Truth is of no interest to you, because you are a tool. And you will never believe a jury.
Back to your bat shit crazy con web sites, and NRA talking points. Trials are for people that can think. Which leaves you out.

I have been shooting competitively for probably longer than you've been alive. Rule number Three of Gunsite is "Keep your finger OFF the trigger until your front sight is ON THE TARGET"

In other words, beginner, your finger is never on the trigger, until you are pulling it.

Well, nice you shoot competitively. But here is the thing, dipshit. Since I have said many times, I have been hunting for over 50 years. So I doubt that there is any chance you have been shooting competitively longer than I have been alive.
So, having established that you are stupid, lets go to your next statement, eh, me con tool.
I never, in my remembered life, did not know that you keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. And, me boy, I never said that you should not. But, me ignorant tool, beginners do not always know, or follow that rule. And, me ignorant con, it is not illegal to have your finger on the trigger before you shoot. Which, dipshit, is why the jury did not convict the shooter of murder.
Shooter was ignorant, should not have been in the country, should not have had a gun. All of which I have said. But the murder charge was in the hands of the jury. And they, unlike you, do not use con talking points or NRA talking points as rules of law.

 

[rshermn]

The gun was left there in a paper bag, he took the bag and by accident dropped the paper bag on to a rocky jetty area or dropped the gun that he found in the bag or something like that at the beach where he had walked to, and the gun that he found in the bag went off when it hit the rocky area, that set the gun off and ultimately killed the girl.....if this is the same case I had read about, a couple of months ago???

That is indeed the case.

 

[Theowl32]

The gun was left there in a paper bag, he took the bag and by accident dropped the paper bag on to a rocky jetty area or dropped the gun that he found in the bag or something like that at the beach where he had walked to, and the gun that he found in the bag went off when it hit the rocky area, that set the gun off and ultimately killed the girl.....if this is the same case I had read about, a couple of months ago???

That is indeed the case.

You are too fucking stupid to know you have been thoroughly destroyed in this thread. Then again a pile of socialist elitist shit like yourself are too fucking pathetic to get it.

It is entertaining to me, you fucking toad. Keep posting your fucking dreck you ungrateful ignorant hypocrite.

 

[rshermn]

The gun was left there in a paper bag, he took the bag and by accident dropped the paper bag on to a rocky jetty area or dropped the gun that he found in the bag or something like that at the beach where he had walked to, and the gun that he found in the bag went off when it hit the rocky area, that set the gun off and ultimately killed the girl.....if this is the same case I had read about, a couple of months ago???

That is a physical impossibility. There are multiple mechanical interlocks that can only allow the gun to fire when the trigger is pulled. You could place a punch on the firing pin and hit it with a hammer without effect. Without the trigger lifting a transfer bar into place there is no possible way for the firing pin to contact the primer of the cartridge.

So, you were in the court room? You know the exact condition of that gun? Got it.

 

[jc456]

The gun was left there in a paper bag, he took the bag and by accident dropped the paper bag on to a rocky jetty area or dropped the gun that he found in the bag or something like that at the beach where he had walked to, and the gun that he found in the bag went off when it hit the rocky area, that set the gun off and ultimately killed the girl.....if this is the same case I had read about, a couple of months ago???

I have a bridge to nowhere too

 

[jc456]

The gun was left there in a paper bag, he took the bag and by accident dropped the paper bag on to a rocky jetty area or dropped the gun that he found in the bag or something like that at the beach where he had walked to, and the gun that he found in the bag went off when it hit the rocky area, that set the gun off and ultimately killed the girl.....if this is the same case I had read about, a couple of months ago???

That is a physical impossibility. There are multiple mechanical interlocks that can only allow the gun to fire when the trigger is pulled. You could place a punch on the firing pin and hit it with a hammer without effect. Without the trigger lifting a transfer bar into place there is no possible way for the firing pin to contact the primer of the cartridge.

It’s amazing an adult believed that! Truly stupid people.

 

[jc456]

The gun was left there in a paper bag, he took the bag and by accident dropped the paper bag on to a rocky jetty area or dropped the gun that he found in the bag or something like that at the beach where he had walked to, and the gun that he found in the bag went off when it hit the rocky area, that set the gun off and ultimately killed the girl.....if this is the same case I had read about, a couple of months ago???

That is a physical impossibility. There are multiple mechanical interlocks that can only allow the gun to fire when the trigger is pulled. You could place a punch on the firing pin and hit it with a hammer without effect. Without the trigger lifting a transfer bar into place there is no possible way for the firing pin to contact the primer of the cartridge.

So, you were in the court room? You know the exact condition of that gun? Got it.

It’s called mechanics and design it’s impossible

 

[jc456]

The gun was left there in a paper bag, he took the bag and by accident dropped the paper bag on to a rocky jetty area or dropped the gun that he found in the bag or something like that at the beach where he had walked to, and the gun that he found in the bag went off when it hit the rocky area, that set the gun off and ultimately killed the girl.....if this is the same case I had read about, a couple of months ago???

That is a physical impossibility. There are multiple mechanical interlocks that can only allow the gun to fire when the trigger is pulled. You could place a punch on the firing pin and hit it with a hammer without effect. Without the trigger lifting a transfer bar into place there is no possible way for the firing pin to contact the primer of the cartridge.

Just saying....that was the perp.'s defense and the prosecutor could not or did not, prove otherwise....thus the jury's verdict, of not guilty.

Yes a true failure on his prosecution efforts. Kate was let down

 

[jc456]

The ILLEGAL ALIEN didn't shoot Kate Steinle by accident, he intentionally pulled the trigger. Only simple minded people can even begin to think that. We all agree that the kid shouldn't have been allowed to buy a gun. YOUR government FAILED to do their duty and by THEIR inaction, he was able to buy a gun, and murder people.

Government failure? CHECK.

Sorry but you say the illegal alien intentionally pulled the trigger. But this issue went to case. And the jury decided the incident was an accidental shooting. So, we can believe you or the jury. You, me boy, loose.

Do we all believe that this clown should not have been in the us, yes.
Do we all believe that he have not have had a handgun. Yes.

Sorry, me boy, but saying a jury was unanimously simple minded is stupid.

And, he did not murder people, he stupidly shot a pistol by mistake. So the jury said.
Terrible thing. Kate should be alive. But in this country in 2013
we had nearly 34,000 deaths by firearm. Get that number, me boy. 34,000!!!!!!!
And many were by guns acquired illegally. And you are trying to make a case of one accidental killing bing a murder, because you want it to be a murder.
You look, to me, just plain stupid.

All the verdict proved was that the DA was a moron, and the "expert" they chose for the case was either ignored or likewise a moron. The illegal alien placed his finger on the trigger, he then pulled it. That requires an act of volition. That makes the firing of the pistol INTENTIONAL.

No, it means having his finger on the trigger was intentional, me boy. If you ever fired a gun, you would have a clue. One of the worst mistakes those new to guns like you, is that they put too much unintended pressure on the trigger. That means, me ignorant con tool, that the gun often goes boom. Often by mistake. Look, it is WAY to hard to understand, and does not meet the con description. Truth is of no interest to you, because you are a tool. And you will never believe a jury.
Back to your bat shit crazy con web sites, and NRA talking points. Trials are for people that can think. Which leaves you out.

I have been shooting competitively for probably longer than you've been alive. Rule number Three of Gunsite is "Keep your finger OFF the trigger until your front sight is ON THE TARGET"

In other words, beginner, your finger is never on the trigger, until you are pulling it.

Well, nice you shoot competitively. But here is the thing, dipshit. Since I have said many times, I have been hunting for over 50 years. So I doubt that there is any chance you have been shooting competitively longer than I have been alive.
So, having established that you are stupid, lets go to your next statement, eh, me con tool.
I never, in my remembered life, did not know that you keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. And, me boy, I never said that you should not. But, me ignorant tool, beginners do not always know, or follow that rule. And, me ignorant con, it is not illegal to have your finger on the trigger before you shoot. Which, dipshit, is why the jury did not convict the shooter of murder.
Shooter was ignorant, should not have been in the country, should not have had a gun. All of which I have said. But the murder charge was in the hands of the jury. And they, unlike you, do not use con talking points or NRA talking points as rules of law.

No they should have had a gun manufacturer demonstrating how it’s impossible to drop a gun and have it fire! It’s California and they had no desire to convict the illegal fk!

 

[Auld Phart]

Mindless stupid liberal gun crying rant aside, are you finally admitting that an AR-15 is not a machine gun? The amount of damage it does to the human body, it's rate of fire, how many rounds it holds, it's color, how evil it looks, etc are not deciding factors on whether or not its a machine gun. And it's important that we call it what it is, because machine guns have been heavily restricted since the 1930's, but AR-15's are not.

So this is your argument, that because it can't go full auto, it's not a machine gun, even though it is specifically designed to fire a lot of very powerful rounds in a short period of time?

that because it can't go full auto, it's not a machine gun,

Exactly

 

[JGalt]

But it never will. Neither will the AK-47, the Ruger Mini-14, or any other of the 20 or so semi-auto rifles with high-capacity magazines.

You people are pissing in the wind.

850,000 people showed up at the rally in Washington DC this past weekend. The writing is on the wall. These people will register; they will vote; your people will no longer be in office; legislation will follow; and at that point, you'll have nothing but a dumbass look on your face.

Quit being a dumbass. Most of the idiots walking around and holding their stupid signs aren't even old enough to vote. The ones who are old enough are Democrats anyway.

 

[JGalt]

why?

There is no reason any civilian should own a weapon that fires 45 rounds a minute.

I have several of them. Do I need a "reason"?

No I don't need a reason. I own them because I can and well, because fuck you.

 

[jc456]

The gun was left there in a paper bag, he took the bag and by accident dropped the paper bag on to a rocky jetty area or dropped the gun that he found in the bag or something like that at the beach where he had walked to, and the gun that he found in the bag went off when it hit the rocky area, that set the gun off and ultimately killed the girl.....if this is the same case I had read about, a couple of months ago???

That is a physical impossibility. There are multiple mechanical interlocks that can only allow the gun to fire when the trigger is pulled. You could place a punch on the firing pin and hit it with a hammer without effect. Without the trigger lifting a transfer bar into place there is no possible way for the firing pin to contact the primer of the cartridge.

It’s amazing an adult believed that! Truly stupid people.

Says the truly stupid person.

well there isn't a bullet in the chamber that when dropped can be activated by a firing pin. some action must be taken to load the chamber.

 

[Care4all]

The gun was left there in a paper bag, he took the bag and by accident dropped the paper bag on to a rocky jetty area or dropped the gun that he found in the bag or something like that at the beach where he had walked to, and the gun that he found in the bag went off when it hit the rocky area, that set the gun off and ultimately killed the girl.....if this is the same case I had read about, a couple of months ago???

That is a physical impossibility. There are multiple mechanical interlocks that can only allow the gun to fire when the trigger is pulled. You could place a punch on the firing pin and hit it with a hammer without effect. Without the trigger lifting a transfer bar into place there is no possible way for the firing pin to contact the primer of the cartridge.

It’s amazing an adult believed that! Truly stupid people.

Says the truly stupid person.

well there isn't a bullet in the chamber that when dropped can be activated by a firing pin. some action must be taken to load the chamber.

Apparently, there WERE bullets in the chamber....do you think the cop or security guard I think they said? that left it in a bag on the pier had a carton of bullets in the paper bag as well and this undocumented immigrant loaded the gun himself?

news articles never go in to such detail when reporting, bummer.... cuz I was wondering if when they found the bag/gun as evidence in the crime, was there a package of bullets in there as well, where the guy could have taken bullets out and loaded them in to the gun or did the gun owner have it loaded already?

And what was the gun owner's excuse for leaving the gun, possibly loaded, in a paper bag, on the pier??? Was he selling the gun? Was he working a possible drug deal? Was he trading it for something? But loaded?

The whole story seems so off the wall....but almost too off the wall, to not be true....

 

[Sunsettommy]

Seriously, does anyone even know? That commie propaganda march on Saturday did not have one sign blaming the actual guy or the failure of those government agencies that ignored at least 47 warnings.

Anyone else think that was deliberate? It was the fbi that ignored it right? We know for a fact what they are about. We also know the left love it when a tragedy happens where they can take full advantage.

If we arrested people for saying stupid shit on the internet, half of USMB would be in jail.

The problem wasn't that Nikolas Cruz was a disturbed person... it was that he was a disturbed person who had a God-given "right" to own a military grade weapon.

No it was the FAILURE on many warning from different people to prevent him from buying the gun. Nothing to do with the NRA or religion at all.

 

[Sunsettommy]

We blame the perpetrator and ask what can be done to stop it from happening again

Conservatives offer thoughts and prayers

No you don't. If you did you would ask yourselves why this guy was never arrested after multiple warnings and calls to LO.

Arrested on what charges?

They had enough on him to prevent him from being able to buy any kind of firearms, by taking him into custody for multiple incidents of violence and statements of wanting to shoot people dead.

 

[flewism]

I'm just wondering with 17 dead at Stoneman Douglas High School, will there be a dramatic reduction in bullying at said school. I bet it will be business as usual by June.

 

[westwall]

The gun was left there in a paper bag, he took the bag and by accident dropped the paper bag on to a rocky jetty area or dropped the gun that he found in the bag or something like that at the beach where he had walked to, and the gun that he found in the bag went off when it hit the rocky area, that set the gun off and ultimately killed the girl.....if this is the same case I had read about, a couple of months ago???

That is a physical impossibility. There are multiple mechanical interlocks that can only allow the gun to fire when the trigger is pulled. You could place a punch on the firing pin and hit it with a hammer without effect. Without the trigger lifting a transfer bar into place there is no possible way for the firing pin to contact the primer of the cartridge.

Just saying....that was the perp.'s defense and the prosecutor could not or did not, prove otherwise....thus the jury's verdict, of not guilty.

As i said earlier, the jury decided to not convict based on numerous factors, one the DA was a moron, two if they even used a firearms expert witness, they were either ignored, or they too were an idiot. Guns are mechanical devices, thus they conform to physical laws. If there is no physical way for a firing pin to contact a primer without a trigger being pulled, that is prima facie evidence that the perp pulled the trigger.

 

[westwall]

The ILLEGAL ALIEN didn't shoot Kate Steinle by accident, he intentionally pulled the trigger. Only simple minded people can even begin to think that. We all agree that the kid shouldn't have been allowed to buy a gun. YOUR government FAILED to do their duty and by THEIR inaction, he was able to buy a gun, and murder people.

Government failure? CHECK.

Sorry but you say the illegal alien intentionally pulled the trigger. But this issue went to case. And the jury decided the incident was an accidental shooting. So, we can believe you or the jury. You, me boy, loose.

Do we all believe that this clown should not have been in the us, yes.
Do we all believe that he have not have had a handgun. Yes.

Sorry, me boy, but saying a jury was unanimously simple minded is stupid.

And, he did not murder people, he stupidly shot a pistol by mistake. So the jury said.
Terrible thing. Kate should be alive. But in this country in 2013
we had nearly 34,000 deaths by firearm. Get that number, me boy. 34,000!!!!!!!
And many were by guns acquired illegally. And you are trying to make a case of one accidental killing bing a murder, because you want it to be a murder.
You look, to me, just plain stupid.

All the verdict proved was that the DA was a moron, and the "expert" they chose for the case was either ignored or likewise a moron. The illegal alien placed his finger on the trigger, he then pulled it. That requires an act of volition. That makes the firing of the pistol INTENTIONAL.

No, it means having his finger on the trigger was intentional, me boy. If you ever fired a gun, you would have a clue. One of the worst mistakes those new to guns like you, is that they put too much unintended pressure on the trigger. That means, me ignorant con tool, that the gun often goes boom. Often by mistake. Look, it is WAY to hard to understand, and does not meet the con description. Truth is of no interest to you, because you are a tool. And you will never believe a jury.
Back to your bat shit crazy con web sites, and NRA talking points. Trials are for people that can think. Which leaves you out.

I have been shooting competitively for probably longer than you've been alive. Rule number Three of Gunsite is "Keep your finger OFF the trigger until your front sight is ON THE TARGET"

In other words, beginner, your finger is never on the trigger, until you are pulling it.

Well, nice you shoot competitively. But here is the thing, dipshit. Since I have said many times, I have been hunting for over 50 years. So I doubt that there is any chance you have been shooting competitively longer than I have been alive.
So, having established that you are stupid, lets go to your next statement, eh, me con tool.
I never, in my remembered life, did not know that you keep your finger off the trigger until you are ready to shoot. And, me boy, I never said that you should not. But, me ignorant tool, beginners do not always know, or follow that rule. And, me ignorant con, it is not illegal to have your finger on the trigger before you shoot. Which, dipshit, is why the jury did not convict the shooter of murder.
Shooter was ignorant, should not have been in the country, should not have had a gun. All of which I have said. But the murder charge was in the hands of the jury. And they, unlike you, do not use con talking points or NRA talking points as rules of law.

And you would be wrong. Your ignorant claim of placing your finger on a trigger marks you as either an idiot, a fool, a liar, or all three. If your finger is on the trigger, and you pull the trigger and the bullet strikes and kills someone that is called NEGLIGENT HOMICIDE. Look it up. Now, I don't need to rely on insults to try and bully my way through a discussion as you do because your knowledge on the subject is laughably poor, and because you are clearly out of your depth, but the facts are very clear in the legal arena. If you pull the trigger of a gun unintentionally, that is called NEGLIGENCE, and that means that YES, IT IS ILLEGAL to have your finger on the trigger when you have no intention of pulling it.

Especially when someone is harmed. The only time that accidental discharges happen is when there is a mechanical failure of the weapon (which on modern weapons is nearly impossible) that causes it to fire EVEN THOUGH THE TRIGGER WAS NOT PULLED.

That is not my opinion, that is a legally recognized FACT.