Where are the Ideas and Policies from the USMB Republicans?

[justoffal]

I know...

When you walk away from the debate realizing that you are speaking to an automaton.....they whine and want you to come back so they can insult you more.

It's pretty funny

JO

 

[ClosedCaption]

I's funny to see yet another of rderp's dildo threads blowing up in his face, again.

Its funny to see you spike the football on the 50 yard line

 

[Camp]

Get tired of repeating them to deaf ears..

Lower taxes
Peel back regulations
Build the pipelline
Develop Nat gas industries

Don't need a lot of words but they always fall on deaf ears so after a while they just don't get posted.

JO

Not deaf ears just because some disagree with you. Rather they reject the ideas.
Lower taxes, for who? Seems like that is the mantra of the very wealthy. Some folks thing they could pay more.
Peel back regulations. Which regulations? Some folks say yes to the ones that don't help us and hinder business, but no to the ones that make us safer and protect us from folks that would harm us. It's congress's job to weed these things out and present them to us. Congress isn't doing it's job.
Build the pipeline. Folks have valid objections. We live in a democracy. If enough people want it it will get built. If enough people don't want it it won't.
Develope natural gas. How much more developement do we need or do you want? What are we not doing? If your developements are controversial, they fall under the same issue's as the pipeline.

 

[Vox]

How hilarious is it that RDean starts a thread by complaining that the other side of the aisle never offers anything new, and when presented with volumes of new policy, he responds with the same old, tired answer they have given for about 130 years: government

I can't believe anyone responded to this fetid troll's asinine post.

Republicrats, conservatives, and libertarians are CONSTANTLY discussing policy and ideas amongst each other, and arguing with the mindless bed wetter drones against their statist monologues.

Just because they choose to ignore it, doesn't mean we haven't posted them on every goddamned thread.

Even this useless troll thread.

Rdean, I don't even care what your post is, I've had you on ignore almost immediately since I got here. The title was stupid, because you're stupid. You're incapable of a discussion, because you're programmed to resist even thinking about anything that will challenge your self inflicted ignorance. You can't go fuck yourself hard enough.

Failed policy and bad ideas. The very foundation of "conservatism" is "nothing new". Don't get mad at me. It's just the way it is.

left is totally failed policies and bad ideas - from the very inception.

leftism does not work. Period

 

[rdean]

You mean invest in rebuilding American infrastructure

What country in the world does not invest in infrastucture? When did it become the task of local governments to build bridges and roads without help from the fed's? Don't we use a fuel tax to help pay for those things? Since we have already invested in much of our infrastucture with a commitment to help maintain those investments, how to we now change our minds and disregard our commitments?
Why should we stop being a great nation that does great things? Will we ever do great things again? Will we ever build a Hoover Dam or have a TVA that built many of them? Will we ever have a space program that developes amazing technology and lands men on the moon? Will we ever create anything like rail system or interstate road system? Will we ever do great things again? America is a nation in decline. If we do not do great things and maintain the great things generations gave us in the past, we will continue to decline. If thinking like the above post is accepted, we squander what has been given to us and damn our future developement. It's like cashing in your investments and burning the cash or just throwing it away. It's the ultimate "I got mine, screw the rest of you" greedy attitude. Give me what grandpa left us because I'm gonna spend it and grandpa's grand children and great grand children aren't going to get any of it. I'm gonna spend it all on me. If grandpa knew what these greedy kids were doing he would have cut them out of the will.

The first of only two excellent posts on this entire thread. And it was Republicans and Eisenhower that built the Inter state highway system and NASA. And with a 90% tax rate on the wealthiest Americans. And they still got rich. I'm not advocating 90%. No one paid that much, but they didn't pay 5 or 10% for billionaires either.
And when did American helping American become "socialism"?

 

[ClosedCaption]

Where has these Republican ideas been used and successful? In a country far far away?

 

[Wry Catcher]

The negation of a negative is a positive.

Being ANTI- Obama is to BE pro-American.

To undo the damage that the moron in chief has inflicted and is still inflicting on America is a VERY positive step.

Post the damage President Obama has inflicted!

Allegations unsupported by evidence suggest this: The author's motivation is self serving and likely malicious.

You -- being the blind, ignorant, dishonest and foolish partisan hack you are -- don't recognize anything of the damage that moron has inflicted, so you won't be educated by a litany of all the things he has undermined or damaged anyway.

But start with the debt and deficit.

In case you haven't yet figured it out, we are in dire peril. His devotion and dedication to increasing the debt is not actually much mitigated when he merely acquiesces into lowering how much FURTHER we go into debt every year.

Proceed to his undermining of the protection of citizens who own security (when he meddles with capitalism by inflicting government ownership of the auto industry, for example). Consider:

In the Chrysler case, however, creditors who held the company's secured bonds were steamrolled into accepting 29 cents on the dollar for their loans. Meanwhile, the underfunded pension plans of the United Auto Workers — unsecured creditors, but possessed of better political connections — received more than 40 cents on the dollar.

Or course, as that same piece noted, the President ALSO used TARP in a way which almost certainly violated the law. Undermining the RULE of Law is damaging to our country. Consider:

. . . [T]he use of TARP funds to bail out GM and Chrysler most likely violated the law. The Troubled Asset Relief Program authorized the secretary of the Treasury "to purchase...troubled assets from any financial institution, on such terms and conditions as are determined by the Secretary"; the law also gave the Treasury secretary power "to take such actions as the Secretary deems necessary to carry out the authorities" in the legislation. As Boston University law professor Gary Lawson noted in the Harvard Journal of Law & Public Policy last year, the boundaries set on the use of these funds were so vague and so loose as to produce something approaching a slush fund for the Treasury. And yet, loose as it was, the TARP legislation did not permit the use of the allotted funds to bail out automakers. The car companies, after all, were not "financial institutions."

Obamacare. Take the medical service providing industries. We may have had some delivery problems, but overall, the "system" (it was never really a "system," the use of that word is just a shorthand) we had provided medical service which others would have loved to have. Emperor Obama meddles and gets it done (with the use of a Congress too stupid to even know what was in the bill, because they had to wait to pass it to find out what was in it) and the ramifications are reverberating to this moment. He will eventually HAVE to permit it to be scrapped. And it will be. It has to be.

Obama is a clusterfuck.

Then look at our stature in the world.

BEFORE Obambam, they all fucking hated us. NOW? They all hate us even more and they act out on it with more regularity. Obambam was the one who was going to solve this problem (not to mention to reduce the Earth's fever and lower the water levels). He --what's that word again -- not only "failed" (yes, that's the word), he made matters WORSE. Who the FUCK "respects" a vacillating pussy leader like The ONE?

"In the Chrysler case, however, creditors who held the company's secured bonds were steamrolled into accepting 29 cents on the dollar for their loans. Meanwhile, the underfunded pension plans of the United Auto Workers — unsecured creditors, but possessed of better political connections — received more than 40 cents on the dollar."

Assuming the "creditors" holding bonds were investors, why would you believe that they should only expect a profit - risk is part of investing, is it not?

Employees labor under contract and the contract included both their wages and pensions. Why should they suffer, they did their job it was the CEO and other Executives who fucked up, causing the Companies fiscal problems.

Most of your rant is simple opinion. Health care in America needed reform and has been discussed for over a century. We have spent $ Billions defending our nation from the Reds and yet everything the new Conservative Movement which has taken over the Republican Party is doing is creating the framework for the real far left to come to power. Ignoring history is incredibly stupid.

BTW LieAbility, how come you blame Obama for TARP: "The Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) is a program of the United States government to purchase assets and equity from financial institutions to strengthen its financial sector that was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on October 3, 2008. It was a component of the government's measures in 2008 to address the subprime mortgage crisis.

 

[rdean]

Get tired of repeating them to deaf ears..

Lower taxes
Peel back regulations
Build the pipelline
Develop Nat gas industries

Don't need a lot of words but they always fall on deaf ears so after a while they just don't get posted.

JO

Not deaf ears just because some disagree with you. Rather they reject the ideas.
Lower taxes, for who? Seems like that is the mantra of the very wealthy. Some folks thing they could pay more.
Peel back regulations. Which regulations? Some folks say yes to the ones that don't help us and hinder business, but no to the ones that make us safer and protect us from folks that would harm us. It's congress's job to weed these things out and present them to us. Congress isn't doing it's job.
Build the pipeline. Folks have valid objections. We live in a democracy. If enough people want it it will get built. If enough people don't want it it won't.
Develope natural gas. How much more developement do we need or do you want? What are we not doing? If your developements are controversial, they fall under the same issue's as the pipeline.

And the second excellent post.
It really seems Republicans want to drive cars built without safety regulations on uninspected roads without speed limits while eating food untouched by standards while sharing the entire mess with their family.

And they have this strange idea that slogans and phrases are "policy".

Lower taxes
Peel back regulations
Build the pipelline
Develop Nat gas industries

They might as well be saying:

Do good
make better
stuff costs less
I trust anything business does

 

[CrusaderFrank]

Reagan's real annual economic growth 3.2%

Harding & Coolidge ended a Depression in 18 months

That's the Conservative record and response

 

[Foxfyre]

Rdean and others seem to think good ideas are making ridiculous insults about those who disagree with them. But isn't that the leftist/progressive/modern liberal M.O.? Where are the good Democratic ideas? I'm still waiting for that.

But here are some good Republican ideas:

Lower taxes on those who hire people, who run businesses, who create jobs, who make it possible for a strong economy to exist; i.e. the very people the President wants to raise taxes on which is one reason the economy is in the mess it is in.

Principle: The idea is to help people prosper rather than continue to expland and feed an ever more huge, authoritarian, intrusive, oppressive, bloated federal bureaucracy. But for the edification of our Democratic friends, lower taxes does not equate with no taxes.​

Eliminate all unnecessary regulation to free up American enterprise to expand, innovate, experiment, and become prosperous as it once was before excessive regulation and mandates drove a huge chunk of our manufacturing base to other, more business-friendly nations.

Principle: The idea is to encourage American initiative and ingenuity rather than discourage it. But for the edification of our Democratic friends, unnecessary regulation is not the same thing as no regulation.​

Privatize as many useful and important programs and processes as possible. Everything doesn't have to be a government job that leaches energy and resources from the private sector. There is no reason, for instance, that private enterprise could not do airport security as well as a bloated, expensive, and increasingly incompetent TSA. Simply require private firms to be approved, to provide sufficient bonds and insurance to cover any E & O, and turn them loose and see how much better it would be.

Principle: To understand that government should not do what can be done more efficiently, competently, and cost effectively in the private sector is not the same thing as saying functions that increase public safety or compliance should not be done at all.​

 

[ClosedCaption]

 

[freedombecki]

So I'm looking at the USMB threads and once again, there are endless threads about Obama being a socialist or not an American. Every story more outrageous than the one before it.

And nowhere are there any threads about what Republicans think they could do to "help" this country. To create jobs. To improve our infrastructure. Is there anything they don't want to tear down?

I've seen plenty of Impeach Obama-type threads.

You just don't like the cure, Deanie.

 

[Foxfyre]

So I'm looking at the USMB threads and once again, there are endless threads about Obama being a socialist or not an American. Every story more outrageous than the one before it.

And nowhere are there any threads about what Republicans think they could do to "help" this country. To create jobs. To improve our infrastructure. Is there anything they don't want to tear down?

I've seen plenty of Impeach Obama-type threads.

You just don't like the cure, Deanie.

I personally have started maybe a dozen threads in the past year with what I know would help the country, create jobs, improve the infrastructure and not a single one suggested tearing anything down. And while I don't look to Republicans but rather look to responsible people to get it done, the difference between responsible Republicans and Democrats is that Republicans don't look to government as the savior and solution to every problem. Most Democrats do.

 

[healthmyths]

Get tired of repeating them to deaf ears..

Lower taxes
Peel back regulations
Build the pipelline
Develop Nat gas industries

Don't need a lot of words but they always fall on deaf ears so after a while they just don't get posted.

JO

Agree ! deaf ears that think we have 46 million "uninsured' when I've proven otherwise dozens of times... and people even conservatives evidently can't do simple math"!
Why would Obama et.al. count 18 million people as uninsured UNLESS they NEEDED PHONY numbers?
Why would they count 14 million that are ALREADY covered by Medicaid unless they needed to puff the numbers?
Why would 10 million illegal citizens be included... to pump the numbers!
Subtract these 42 million from Obama's 46 million and less the 4 million!
So tax lawyers $200 billion a year and use to pay the premiums for the truly 4 million that want and need insurance!
Audit hospitals that have since 1986 padded and passed on to Medicare /ins. companies sometimes 6,000% above costs to cover the uninsured and with the $20 billion tax would not be allowed to pad and pass!
Easily $200 billion in reduction of the $850 billion in defensive medicine from fear of lawsuits and reduced "padded and passed" claims!

This is a simple solution... but will never happen! Obama and 42% of Congress are LAWYERS!!!

 

[rdean]

I can't believe anyone responded to this fetid troll's asinine post.

Republicrats, conservatives, and libertarians are CONSTANTLY discussing policy and ideas amongst each other, and arguing with the mindless bed wetter drones against their statist monologues.

Just because they choose to ignore it, doesn't mean we haven't posted them on every goddamned thread.

Even this useless troll thread.

Rdean, I don't even care what your post is, I've had you on ignore almost immediately since I got here. The title was stupid, because you're stupid. You're incapable of a discussion, because you're programmed to resist even thinking about anything that will challenge your self inflicted ignorance. You can't go fuck yourself hard enough.

Failed policy and bad ideas. The very foundation of "conservatism" is "nothing new". Don't get mad at me. It's just the way it is.

left is totally failed policies and bad ideas - from the very inception.

leftism does not work. Period

Like what? Blanket statement with not a single example? And make it good.

 

[007]

So I'm looking at the USMB threads and once again, there are endless threads about Obama being a socialist or not an American. Every story more outrageous than the one before it.

And nowhere are there any threads about what Republicans think they could do to "help" this country. To create jobs. To improve our infrastructure. Is there anything they don't want to tear down?

where are your threads with ideas to help the Country?.....instead everything is ....lets find something i can rag on Republicans about....like this thread.....

If there was ever a good example of someone you could be 99.999% sure they're nothing more than a paid operative paid to spread the radical, socialist, marxist agenda of the left and obama on the internet, IT'S RDERP.

 

[rdean]

Rdean and others seem to think good ideas are making ridiculous insults about those who disagree with them. But isn't that the leftist/progressive/modern liberal M.O.? Where are the good Democratic ideas? I'm still waiting for that.

But here are some good Republican ideas:

Lower taxes on those who hire people, who run businesses, who create jobs, who make it possible for a strong economy to exist; i.e. the very people the President wants to raise taxes on which is one reason the economy is in the mess it is in.

Principle: The idea is to help people prosper rather than continue to expland and feed an ever more huge, authoritarian, intrusive, oppressive, bloated federal bureaucracy. But for the edification of our Democratic friends, lower taxes does not equate with no taxes.​

Eliminate all unnecessary regulation to free up American enterprise to expand, innovate, experiment, and become prosperous as it once was before excessive regulation and mandates drove a huge chunk of our manufacturing base to other, more business-friendly nations.

Principle: The idea is to encourage American initiative and ingenuity rather than discourage it. But for the edification of our Democratic friends, unnecessary regulation is not the same thing as no regulation.​

Privatize as many useful and important programs and processes as possible. Everything doesn't have to be a government job that leaches energy and resources from the private sector. There is no reason, for instance, that private enterprise could not do airport security as well as a bloated, expensive, and increasingly incompetent TSA. Simply require private firms to be approved, to provide sufficient bonds and insurance to cover any E & O, and turn them loose and see how much better it would be.

Principle: To understand that government should not do what can be done more efficiently, competently, and cost effectively in the private sector is not the same thing as saying functions that increase public safety or compliance should not be done at all.​

(sigh)

Lower taxes on those who hire people, who run businesses, who create jobs, who make it possible for a strong economy to exist;

The problem is the wealthiest Americans are paying historically low taxes and they aren't "creating jobs" and the jobs they did create were in China. Only demand drives job creation and people don't have money to spend. Why is it Republicans can't seem to understand that very, very basic concept?????

The government has shrunk by over a half million since Obama became president. Posted to dozens of times. Easily looked up.

Eliminate WHAT regulation? Be specific. It's like saying "cut spending" without saying "on what?"

Yea, privatize. Why not the military? Blackwater is a great example. Or privatize health care. Oh, it already is and Americans are getting soaked and have been for the last 20 years. The costs were skyrocketing. Which is why even the Clintons were trying to do something about it. Blocked of course, by Republicans.

A "good idea" is something specific. A "principle" is a "hope". I hope it turns out that way. No data, no study. "Hope". Like invading Iraq. We hoped they would thank us. They didn't. Or the Bush tax cuts. We hoped it would create jobs. And it did, in China. And it moved the wealth of the nation to the top 1%. Nothing at all what we "hoped".

 

[007]

Here's some of those GREAT democrap ideas, and the consequences...

 

[Avatar4321]

you notice how no one on the left will ever say anything about Dean and his sometimes outrageous claims he makes?....its like they are scared of the guy or something....

Until you mentioned it I don't recall anyone on the right saying anything about Warrior, Rabbi, Matthew, ShootSpeeders or a dozen or more outrageous posters. Of course I doubt their scared of them, they likely agree with them.

is that like how you and the lefties in this thread feel about Dean?......i get told by "Lefties" here i am wrong and they dont agree with the shit he throws out there......yet i have never seen those same ones ever disagree with the guy...no matter what he says.....i have seen quit a few Moderate righties here tell Shootspeeders what an ass he is......i have seen quit a few righties here tell Matthew he is a bigot......do you agree with all the shit Dean says about Republicans Wry?.....

Lots of far right people criticize SS and other as well.

Take me for example. I think the lefties around here would call me far right. I will call out anyone I think is wrong. Ive been doing that for years.

I would have to agree that ive never seen a lefty call out rdean. Maybe ive missed it, but I cannot think of one off the top of my head.

 

[Avatar4321]

Because the Republican Party, like the Democrats, have been corrupted by the Progressive wings of the party. It doesn't matter if we have a majority for Republicans if a fraction are progressive and vote with Democrats despite having a majority.

There are alot of progressives posing as conservatives because they know where the base of the party is. It's also why alot of conservatives have been staying home from elections.

I really dont know why this is difficult to understand.

So Repubs really do believe that they just have been corrupted by liberals for the last 40 years therefore vote GOP?

40 years, hardly, more like 100 years. Thank you mr wilson.

Forgive him. He is unfamiliar with the history of the progressive movement, which existed in both parties.