Where are the Ideas and Policies from the USMB Republicans?

[healthmyths]

What country in the world does not invest in infrastucture? When did it become the task of local governments to build bridges and roads without help from the fed's? Don't we use a fuel tax to help pay for those things? Since we have already invested in much of our infrastucture with a commitment to help maintain those investments, how to we now change our minds and disregard our commitments?
Why should we stop being a great nation that does great things? Will we ever do great things again? Will we ever build a Hoover Dam or have a TVA that built many of them? Will we ever have a space program that developes amazing technology and lands men on the moon? Will we ever create anything like rail system or interstate road system? Will we ever do great things again? America is a nation in decline. If we do not do great things and maintain the great things generations gave us in the past, we will continue to decline. If thinking like the above post is accepted, we squander what has been given to us and damn our future developement. It's like cashing in your investments and burning the cash or just throwing it away. It's the ultimate "I got mine, screw the rest of you" greedy attitude. Give me what grandpa left us because I'm gonna spend it and grandpa's grand children and great grand children aren't going to get any of it. I'm gonna spend it all on me. If grandpa knew what these greedy kids were doing he would have cut them out of the will.

The first of only two excellent posts on this entire thread. And it was Republicans and Eisenhower that built the Inter state highway system and NASA. And with a 90% tax rate on the wealthiest Americans. And they still got rich. I'm not advocating 90%. No one paid that much, but they didn't pay 5 or 10% for billionaires either.
And when did American helping American become "socialism"?

Would you prove to me where ALL BILLIONAIRES pay "5 or 10%?!!!

The 10% of households with the highest incomes pay more than half of all federal taxes.
They pay more than 70% of federal income taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

households making more than $1 million will pay an average 29.1% of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes, payroll taxes and other taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.
Fact check: The wealthy already pay more tax ? USATODAY.com

So where did you come up with the FACT ALL BILLIONAIRES pay "5 or 10%????

 

[Foxfyre]

The first of only two excellent posts on this entire thread. And it was Republicans and Eisenhower that built the Inter state highway system and NASA. And with a 90% tax rate on the wealthiest Americans. And they still got rich. I'm not advocating 90%. No one paid that much, but they didn't pay 5 or 10% for billionaires either.
And when did American helping American become "socialism"?

Would you prove to me where ALL BILLIONAIRES pay "5 or 10%?!!!

The 10% of households with the highest incomes pay more than half of all federal taxes.
They pay more than 70% of federal income taxes, according to the Congressional Budget Office.

households making more than $1 million will pay an average 29.1% of their income in federal taxes, including income taxes, payroll taxes and other taxes, according to the Tax Policy Center, a Washington think tank.
Fact check: The wealthy already pay more tax ? USATODAY.com

So where did you come up with the FACT ALL BILLIONAIRES pay "5 or 10%????

Even if billioniares do pay only 5 to 10%, which is absurd on the face of it, each is still contributing more to the U.S. treasury than tens of thousands, even hundreds of thousands of other Americans contribute combined. How in the world does it make sense to not encourage them to continue to keep paying it rather than howl "unfair" and thereby encourage them to park it in tax free or tax deferred investments or move it off shore where they pay less and where it does not help the economy, does not expand enterprise, does not create jobs?

 

[g5000]

Well, this topic has devolved into attacks, thus proving the premise of the OP correct. The Right does not have answers, just opposition to whatever the other guys are doing.

As long as the Right's alternative to everything is "nothing", then the Right is going to find the American people would prefer whatever solution is on the table over nothing at all.

The Right needs to come up with something. Fast.

All this bellyaching just comes across as a bunch of whiny little bitches.

 

[g5000]

I'm old school conservative Republican. And so to meet the OP challenge, here are topics I have started which suggest solutions to the real problems facing America:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/272632-a-crazy-idea-that-just-might-work.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/267252-the-way-forward-raise-the-retirement-age.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...ic-prosperity-and-better-cable-reception.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/263551-the-way-forward-end-tax-expenditures.html


I also started a topic asking for people to propose alternatives to ObamaCare. After twenty minutes of nothing, I made my own proposals, which I have advocated in various forms multiple times throughout this forum: http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...n-post7581788.html?highlight=auto#post7581788

 

[g5000]

Rdean and others seem to think good ideas are making ridiculous insults about those who disagree with them. But isn't that the leftist/progressive/modern liberal M.O.? Where are the good Democratic ideas? I'm still waiting for that.

But here are some good Republican ideas:

Lower taxes on those who hire people, who run businesses, who create jobs, who make it possible for a strong economy to exist; i.e. the very people the President wants to raise taxes on which is one reason the economy is in the mess it is in.

Principle: The idea is to help people prosper rather than continue to expland and feed an ever more huge, authoritarian, intrusive, oppressive, bloated federal bureaucracy. But for the edification of our Democratic friends, lower taxes does not equate with no taxes.​

Eliminate all unnecessary regulation to free up American enterprise to expand, innovate, experiment, and become prosperous as it once was before excessive regulation and mandates drove a huge chunk of our manufacturing base to other, more business-friendly nations.

Principle: The idea is to encourage American initiative and ingenuity rather than discourage it. But for the edification of our Democratic friends, unnecessary regulation is not the same thing as no regulation.​

Privatize as many useful and important programs and processes as possible. Everything doesn't have to be a government job that leaches energy and resources from the private sector. There is no reason, for instance, that private enterprise could not do airport security as well as a bloated, expensive, and increasingly incompetent TSA. Simply require private firms to be approved, to provide sufficient bonds and insurance to cover any E & O, and turn them loose and see how much better it would be.

Principle: To understand that government should not do what can be done more efficiently, competently, and cost effectively in the private sector is not the same thing as saying functions that increase public safety or compliance should not be done at all.​

These are good ideas.

I think the implementation of good regulation is currently defeated by both Republicans and Democrats, though. Our politicians allow the businesses they are trying to regulate write the rules for themselves in exchange for large campaign cash contributions. And that results in regulatory capture, which for all intents and purposes is no regulation. Particularly in the financial services industry.

So we need to eliminate the ability of special interests to write their own rules.


As for taxes, before we can lower them we must first eliminate the ability of special interests to buy carve-outs for themselves.

 

[Foxfyre]

Rdean and others seem to think good ideas are making ridiculous insults about those who disagree with them. But isn't that the leftist/progressive/modern liberal M.O.? Where are the good Democratic ideas? I'm still waiting for that.

But here are some good Republican ideas:

Lower taxes on those who hire people, who run businesses, who create jobs, who make it possible for a strong economy to exist; i.e. the very people the President wants to raise taxes on which is one reason the economy is in the mess it is in.

Principle: The idea is to help people prosper rather than continue to expland and feed an ever more huge, authoritarian, intrusive, oppressive, bloated federal bureaucracy. But for the edification of our Democratic friends, lower taxes does not equate with no taxes.​

Eliminate all unnecessary regulation to free up American enterprise to expand, innovate, experiment, and become prosperous as it once was before excessive regulation and mandates drove a huge chunk of our manufacturing base to other, more business-friendly nations.

Principle: The idea is to encourage American initiative and ingenuity rather than discourage it. But for the edification of our Democratic friends, unnecessary regulation is not the same thing as no regulation.​

Privatize as many useful and important programs and processes as possible. Everything doesn't have to be a government job that leaches energy and resources from the private sector. There is no reason, for instance, that private enterprise could not do airport security as well as a bloated, expensive, and increasingly incompetent TSA. Simply require private firms to be approved, to provide sufficient bonds and insurance to cover any E & O, and turn them loose and see how much better it would be.

Principle: To understand that government should not do what can be done more efficiently, competently, and cost effectively in the private sector is not the same thing as saying functions that increase public safety or compliance should not be done at all.​

(sigh)

Lower taxes on those who hire people, who run businesses, who create jobs, who make it possible for a strong economy to exist;

The problem is the wealthiest Americans are paying historically low taxes and they aren't "creating jobs" and the jobs they did create were in China. Only demand drives job creation and people don't have money to spend. Why is it Republicans can't seem to understand that very, very basic concept?????

The government has shrunk by over a half million since Obama became president. Posted to dozens of times. Easily looked up.

Eliminate WHAT regulation? Be specific. It's like saying "cut spending" without saying "on what?"

Yea, privatize. Why not the military? Blackwater is a great example. Or privatize health care. Oh, it already is and Americans are getting soaked and have been for the last 20 years. The costs were skyrocketing. Which is why even the Clintons were trying to do something about it. Blocked of course, by Republicans.

A "good idea" is something specific. A "principle" is a "hope". I hope it turns out that way. No data, no study. "Hope". Like invading Iraq. We hoped they would thank us. They didn't. Or the Bush tax cuts. We hoped it would create jobs. And it did, in China. And it moved the wealth of the nation to the top 1%. Nothing at all what we "hoped".

And you think increasing their taxes would encourage them to start creating jobs? It is the threat of higher taxes, the threat of more and more regulation--tens of thousands of pages of regulation for Obamacare alone and that's just barely getting started--and new mandates with threats of more that is keeping them from creating jobs. Why in the world, in an economy as crappy as this one, would they risk the resources they currently have? Increase their odds to make a profit on what they risk, however, and that is done with a stable reasonable tax system, reasonable regulation, no unnecessary mandates, etc., and they will put trillions of dollars back into the economy and millions of people back to work.

They aren't going to do it when the President and his regime continue to be the most anti-business administration that this country has ever had and seem to intentionally be undermining the very people who can and would otherwise be putting the economy back on track.

Again a tax system that promotes economic growth is NOT the same thing as saying we are want to eliminate all taxes.

Again, removing unnecessary mandates and regulation is NOT the same thing as saying there is no justification for any mandates or any regulation.

As for privatization, yes, privatize EVERYTHING that can be done more efficiently and effectively in the private sector and also move out of the federal government all programs that can be managed by the states or local communities. That would not include the military which is a constitutionally assigned function of the federal government.

 

[francoHFW]

That's federal INCOME TAXES, hater dupes. And it's pure BS propaganda. Hell, federal PAYROLL taxes are now more than those, and the non rich pay most of those. Not to mention all the higher local, state taxes and fees that have risen to make up for the lower federal taxes under whacko voodoo- that's why the rich pay less %wise than the middle class. And you MORON Pub dupes just keep parroting the Pubcrappe. Change the fecking channel and do some research. We Dems don't have a giant propaganda machine, just the truth.

 

[francoHFW]

O-Care is the GOP plan, and now Pubs and hater dupes hate THAT. A bs disgrace LOL.

 

[g5000]

Or privatize health care. Oh, it already is and Americans are getting soaked and have been for the last 20 years. The costs were skyrocketing. Which is why even the Clintons were trying to do something about it. Blocked of course, by Republicans.

Healthcare is not privatized. It hasn't been for 50 years. Far from it.

The government has been in the healthcare business for the past 50 years (Medicare/Medicaid).

As a key player in the healthcare industry, the government also gets to write the rules for the entire industry. Gee, how is that not wide open to giving itself all the advantages while hand tying its competition?

The government does indeed tie the hands of its competitors in a bazillion different ways. For example, it gets to offer its health plans nationwide, thus greatly increasing its bargaining power with providers, while preventing its private sector competitors from doing so.

And it forces employers to offer birth control and other services at their expense whether they want to or not.

How is that in any way, shape, or form "privatized healthcare"?

 

[Foxfyre]

Healthcare started skyrocketing WHEN the federal government started meddling in it with Medicare, Medicaid, Champus, et al. Up until then, most working folks who wanted it could afford it. Even the most ardent Obama worshippers now admit that healthcare is going to be much more expensive under Obamacare than it was before, insurance premiums have continued to increase and will continue to do so, and there will be no savings to be had. And it is a near certainty that the quality of healthcare we can expect will continue to deteriorate.

It is no mystery why Obama exempted himself, his staff and appointees, all of Congress and federal employees from having to comply with Obamacare. Speaking of inequities.

 

[g5000]

Healthcare started skyrocketing WHEN the federal government started meddling in it with Medicare, Medicaid, Champus, et al. Up until then, most working folks who wanted it could afford it.

Key words, "working folks". Most who were aged could not afford healthcare before Medicare.

Government programs, such as those available in many States under the State-Federal program of medical assistance for the aged (the Kerr-Mills program), have helped to meet the health care needs of some, and private insurance programs have reduced the financial risks for many. But the statistics strongly indicate that, the problem today is much the same as it was in 1957, when the last survey of aged beneficiaries of old-age, survivors, and disability insurance was made. The complex task of paying for necessary health services and providing adequate insurance for non-budgetable expenses remains beyond the economic capabilities of most aged persons.

1963 Survey of the Aged

 

[CrusaderFrank]

I'm old school conservative Republican. And so to meet the OP challenge, here are topics I have started which suggest solutions to the real problems facing America:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/272632-a-crazy-idea-that-just-might-work.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/267252-the-way-forward-raise-the-retirement-age.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...ic-prosperity-and-better-cable-reception.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/263551-the-way-forward-end-tax-expenditures.html


I also started a topic asking for people to propose alternatives to ObamaCare. After twenty minutes of nothing, I made my own proposals, which I have advocated in various forms multiple times throughout this forum: http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...n-post7581788.html?highlight=auto#post7581788

Too bad, Deany is as insane as a Batman Villain or it would have been a good argument.

 

[Foxfyre]

Healthcare started skyrocketing WHEN the federal government started meddling in it with Medicare, Medicaid, Champus, et al. Up until then, most working folks who wanted it could afford it.

Key words, "working folks". Most who were aged could not afford healthcare before Medicare.

Government programs, such as those available in many States under the State-Federal program of medical assistance for the aged (the Kerr-Mills program), have helped to meet the health care needs of some, and private insurance programs have reduced the financial risks for many. But the statistics strongly indicate that, the problem today is much the same as it was in 1957, when the last survey of aged beneficiaries of old-age, survivors, and disability insurance was made. The complex task of paying for necessary health services and providing adequate insurance for non-budgetable expenses remains beyond the economic capabilities of most aged persons.

1963 Survey of the Aged

I was working in hospitals during much of the 1960's and 70's--several different ones--I can testify that not one single elderly person was denied medical care by any doctor or any hospital for any reason. Folks paid what they could, were allowed to pay out a larger bill in affordable installments over time, or received free care paid for by charities or sometimes fund drives or the hospital or doctor just wrote off the bill. Folks worked it out.

However bad things are, we can be pretty sure that the federal government won't make them better. What starts out as little programs invariably grow to gargantuan status that swallows the economy up whole, The free market will have bumps and bruises along the way but it generally figures out some way to provide services and products to those who need and want them and it of necessity must make them affordable.

And if small innocent programs like social security and medicare grow into huge unmanageable, unaffordable programs, can you imagine what a gargantuan program like Obamacare will produce?

 

[rdean]

I'm old school conservative Republican. And so to meet the OP challenge, here are topics I have started which suggest solutions to the real problems facing America:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/272632-a-crazy-idea-that-just-might-work.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/267252-the-way-forward-raise-the-retirement-age.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...ic-prosperity-and-better-cable-reception.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/263551-the-way-forward-end-tax-expenditures.html


I also started a topic asking for people to propose alternatives to ObamaCare. After twenty minutes of nothing, I made my own proposals, which I have advocated in various forms multiple times throughout this forum: http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...n-post7581788.html?highlight=auto#post7581788

(sigh)

So I went through these one at a time.

The "gun" thing? I don't get it.

Make the elderly work longer. Good luck on a 70 year old emergency worker trying to cart Chrispie down a flight of stairs or 70 year old police or firemen chasing down a criminal or putting out a fire. Sorry, I really don't get that either.

Then there is the 5 point plan. Make the elderly work longer, send people to prison, let businesses fail, taxes.

And more about "taxes".

And that's it.

Pretty pathetic when you put it like that.

High Taxes? Actually, They're at a 60-Year Low - CBS News

Tax bills in 2009 at lowest level since 1950 - USATODAY.com

10 Graphs That Prove The United States Is A Low-Tax Country

If tax cuts were so wonderful and great for the country, why didn't the record breaking Bush tax cuts do any good? Republicans used reconciliation TWICE to ram them through congress. Then Republicans will say, "But they did do a lot of good, they....." and then say something totally made up. If they did anything good for someone, it was help fund the move of jobs to China.

Then Republicans will say, "But Obama extended them". Yes he did. And why did he do that?

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says - CSMonitor.com

So we pretty much just put to bed this GOP fixation on taxes.

What about all that money corporations have overseas? Republicans say, "Have a tax holiday" to bring it back. At the end of Bush's first term, we did exactly that for exactly the same reason. Did it create jobs? No. Corporations bought back stock, paid out dividends and moved more jobs to China.

Now let me show you what an "idea" is. Not a scam. Not a tax scheme. A real honest to goodness idea.

Plans to replace 500,000 workers with 1 million robots - CSMonitor.com

1 Million Robots To Replace 1 Million Human Jobs At Foxconn. First Robots Have Arrived

Get it? China is building a million robots to replace people making $172 a month. And look at what we could do. We have so much natural gas, companies are burning it off because they have run out of space to store it. With a little government organization, electrical facilities could be moved to low cost natural gas. Robots could be anywhere. We have more energy than China and for a million robots, once made, there's your cost.

And we have 3.8 million jobs unfilled because of people without skills. Skills like precision machining, like the kind used for making robots. Course, if you have a million robots, you need technicians, engineers, programmers, maintenance, and all the people that support them.

And what else do you need? Good infrastructure and I just outlined why.

And you wonder why I'm angry at Republicans????? Because it elects stupid people based on race and can't think beyond "taxes". Bunch of fucking idiots.

See? What I did was give only a single idea. Just one. Not weird tax schemes. Not moving the burden to the elderly.

 

[rdean]

I'm old school conservative Republican. And so to meet the OP challenge, here are topics I have started which suggest solutions to the real problems facing America:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/272632-a-crazy-idea-that-just-might-work.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/267252-the-way-forward-raise-the-retirement-age.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...ic-prosperity-and-better-cable-reception.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/263551-the-way-forward-end-tax-expenditures.html


I also started a topic asking for people to propose alternatives to ObamaCare. After twenty minutes of nothing, I made my own proposals, which I have advocated in various forms multiple times throughout this forum: http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...n-post7581788.html?highlight=auto#post7581788

Too bad, Deany is as insane as a Batman Villain or it would have been a good argument.

You're a turd and you've always been a turd. You have no character. No ideas. Nothing of substance. Just a shitstain on the sidewalk of life looking to drag someone down.

 

[The T]

I'm old school conservative Republican. And so to meet the OP challenge, here are topics I have started which suggest solutions to the real problems facing America:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/272632-a-crazy-idea-that-just-might-work.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/267252-the-way-forward-raise-the-retirement-age.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...ic-prosperity-and-better-cable-reception.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/263551-the-way-forward-end-tax-expenditures.html


I also started a topic asking for people to propose alternatives to ObamaCare. After twenty minutes of nothing, I made my own proposals, which I have advocated in various forms multiple times throughout this forum: http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...n-post7581788.html?highlight=auto#post7581788

Too bad, Deany is as insane as a Batman Villain or it would have been a good argument.

You're a turd and you've always been a turd. You have no character. No ideas. Nothing of substance. Just a shitstain on the sidewalk of life looking to drag someone down.

CF Has more to say than coming on a message board and just attacking REPUBLICANS.

If anyone is VOID of ideas...? It is YOU, Deany. I have seen NO ideas from you except tow the Statist line of Obama and the Democrats and Statists in The Repubican Party.

YOU are a party HACK...a FRAUD...Afraid of his own liberty and needs to be held by the hand...and is threatened when it is proposed YOU be responsible for your life and tear yourself away from the government you are WORTHLESS without.

WHY do YOU fear your own liberty, Deany?

 

[P@triot]

I'm old school conservative Republican. And so to meet the OP challenge, here are topics I have started which suggest solutions to the real problems facing America:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/272632-a-crazy-idea-that-just-might-work.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/267252-the-way-forward-raise-the-retirement-age.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...ic-prosperity-and-better-cable-reception.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/263551-the-way-forward-end-tax-expenditures.html


I also started a topic asking for people to propose alternatives to ObamaCare. After twenty minutes of nothing, I made my own proposals, which I have advocated in various forms multiple times throughout this forum: http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...n-post7581788.html?highlight=auto#post7581788

And yet the OP will state that nobody from the right offers anything. Incidentally, I find it odd that in your previous post to this one, you stated that this thread has proven the OP as being "correct". But doesn't the list of proposals you've linked here in fact prove he was dead WRONG?

The right has been engineering endless solutions for 235 years now. And the ONLY thing the left ever says is "government".

 

[ScienceRocks]

My plan

1. Lower corporate tax
2. Cut red tape that hurts business development for the poor and middle class
3. Develop craftsmen schools for plumbing, electrical, carpetarty for the people that aren't capable of a college degree.
4. Work with corporations to get internships...Maybe even allow for tax reduction based on it.
5. Reward innovation with tax reductions
6. ALLOW monies for important science institutions from nws, nhc, noaa and nasa. This allows for children to work hard to get into real opunity. These people also play a roll of warning us of extreme weather and space events...
7. Reform welfare to keep abled bodied people off of disability
8. cut unemployment down to 24 weeks...This is where 4# kicks in.

Maybe 9. work on competition throughout health care and our colleges to drive down cost.

What should occur is you want competition and organizions fighting for your business(money). So they're going to want to charge a lower price to you to get it.

 

[ScienceRocks]

10. The gold parachute tax --> What is it? It is aimed at ceo's that would fuck over their investors, employees and customers for their own greed.

---Simply this would be a 2% increase on every million dollars of funds given by corrupt boards to the ceo over a million dollars.

Some crook from Enron comes along and takes tens of millions or even hundreds of millions of dollars. Well, I feel the economy deserves a little bit of that money. That would force these crooks to think about investing it into their corporations instead of being bums.

10. A investment reduction. Yes, you hire more workers = a lower tax.

Why not make it more appealing????

 

[P@triot]

My plan

1. Lower corporate tax
2. Cut red tape that hurts business development for the poor and middle class
3. Develop craftsmen schools for plumbing, electrical, carpetarty for the people that aren't capable of a college degree.
4. Work with corporations to get internships...Maybe even allow for tax reduction based on it.
5. Reward innovation with tax reductions
6. ALLOW monies for important science institutions from nws, nhc, noaa and nasa. This allows for children to work hard to get into real opunity. These people also play a roll of warning us of extreme weather and space events...
7. Reform welfare to keep abled bodied people off of disability
8. cut unemployment down to 24 weeks...This is where 4# kicks in.

Maybe 9. work on competition throughout health care and our colleges to drive down cost.

What should occur is you want competition and organizions fighting for your business(money). So they're going to want to charge a lower price to you to get it.

My plan simplifies the solution:

1. Force government to adhere to the 18 enumerated powers delegated to them by the states. Get them the fuck out of everything else.

ALL problems solved