Where are the Ideas and Policies from the USMB Republicans?

[Darkwind]

I'm old school conservative Republican. And so to meet the OP challenge, here are topics I have started which suggest solutions to the real problems facing America:

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/272632-a-crazy-idea-that-just-might-work.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/267252-the-way-forward-raise-the-retirement-age.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/econo...ic-prosperity-and-better-cable-reception.html

http://www.usmessageboard.com/politics/263551-the-way-forward-end-tax-expenditures.html


I also started a topic asking for people to propose alternatives to ObamaCare. After twenty minutes of nothing, I made my own proposals, which I have advocated in various forms multiple times throughout this forum: http://www.usmessageboard.com/polit...n-post7581788.html?highlight=auto#post7581788

(sigh)

So I went through these one at a time.

The "gun" thing? I don't get it.

Make the elderly work longer. Good luck on a 70 year old emergency worker trying to cart Chrispie down a flight of stairs or 70 year old police or firemen chasing down a criminal or putting out a fire. Sorry, I really don't get that either.

Then there is the 5 point plan. Make the elderly work longer, send people to prison, let businesses fail, taxes.

And more about "taxes".

And that's it.

Pretty pathetic when you put it like that.

High Taxes? Actually, They're at a 60-Year Low - CBS News

Tax bills in 2009 at lowest level since 1950 - USATODAY.com

10 Graphs That Prove The United States Is A Low-Tax Country

If tax cuts were so wonderful and great for the country, why didn't the record breaking Bush tax cuts do any good? Republicans used reconciliation TWICE to ram them through congress. Then Republicans will say, "But they did do a lot of good, they....." and then say something totally made up. If they did anything good for someone, it was help fund the move of jobs to China.

Then Republicans will say, "But Obama extended them". Yes he did. And why did he do that?

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says - CSMonitor.com

So we pretty much just put to bed this GOP fixation on taxes.

What about all that money corporations have overseas? Republicans say, "Have a tax holiday" to bring it back. At the end of Bush's first term, we did exactly that for exactly the same reason. Did it create jobs? No. Corporations bought back stock, paid out dividends and moved more jobs to China.

Now let me show you what an "idea" is. Not a scam. Not a tax scheme. A real honest to goodness idea.

Plans to replace 500,000 workers with 1 million robots - CSMonitor.com

1 Million Robots To Replace 1 Million Human Jobs At Foxconn. First Robots Have Arrived

Get it? China is building a million robots to replace people making $172 a month. And look at what we could do. We have so much natural gas, companies are burning it off because they have run out of space to store it. With a little government organization, electrical facilities could be moved to low cost natural gas. Robots could be anywhere. We have more energy than China and for a million robots, once made, there's your cost.

And we have 3.8 million jobs unfilled because of people without skills. Skills like precision machining, like the kind used for making robots. Course, if you have a million robots, you need technicians, engineers, programmers, maintenance, and all the people that support them.

And what else do you need? Good infrastructure and I just outlined why.

And you wonder why I'm angry at Republicans????? Because it elects stupid people based on race and can't think beyond "taxes". Bunch of fucking idiots.

See? What I did was give only a single idea. Just one. Not weird tax schemes. Not moving the burden to the elderly.

See that? I took apart those tax schemes one at a time. They've already been tried by three presidents and failed miserably each time. The last one was worst of all. And look at my links. No one even came close to backing up their ideas like I did.

But their screaming is so "shrill".

This is the problem with these GOP tax schemes. They've been tried and look at what they did.

Your fully manipulated chart is missing one graphic.

The debt without government overspending....

Oh, wait there it is. At the very bottom. I think that the number is 0.

 

[bripat9643]

Communism isn't a solution to fix the economy Clayton. Why the fuck can't people learn that it can only kill?


A mixed hybrid system is...

The "hybrid" system is a prescription for stagnation. Free enterprise is the only system that allows growth.

 

[The T]

(sigh)

So I went through these one at a time.

The "gun" thing? I don't get it.

Make the elderly work longer. Good luck on a 70 year old emergency worker trying to cart Chrispie down a flight of stairs or 70 year old police or firemen chasing down a criminal or putting out a fire. Sorry, I really don't get that either.

Then there is the 5 point plan. Make the elderly work longer, send people to prison, let businesses fail, taxes.

And more about "taxes".

And that's it.

Pretty pathetic when you put it like that.

High Taxes? Actually, They're at a 60-Year Low - CBS News

Tax bills in 2009 at lowest level since 1950 - USATODAY.com

10 Graphs That Prove The United States Is A Low-Tax Country

If tax cuts were so wonderful and great for the country, why didn't the record breaking Bush tax cuts do any good? Republicans used reconciliation TWICE to ram them through congress. Then Republicans will say, "But they did do a lot of good, they....." and then say something totally made up. If they did anything good for someone, it was help fund the move of jobs to China.

Then Republicans will say, "But Obama extended them". Yes he did. And why did he do that?

Unemployment benefits: not until Bush tax cuts pass, Senate GOP says - CSMonitor.com

So we pretty much just put to bed this GOP fixation on taxes.

What about all that money corporations have overseas? Republicans say, "Have a tax holiday" to bring it back. At the end of Bush's first term, we did exactly that for exactly the same reason. Did it create jobs? No. Corporations bought back stock, paid out dividends and moved more jobs to China.

Now let me show you what an "idea" is. Not a scam. Not a tax scheme. A real honest to goodness idea.

Plans to replace 500,000 workers with 1 million robots - CSMonitor.com

1 Million Robots To Replace 1 Million Human Jobs At Foxconn. First Robots Have Arrived

Get it? China is building a million robots to replace people making $172 a month. And look at what we could do. We have so much natural gas, companies are burning it off because they have run out of space to store it. With a little government organization, electrical facilities could be moved to low cost natural gas. Robots could be anywhere. We have more energy than China and for a million robots, once made, there's your cost.

And we have 3.8 million jobs unfilled because of people without skills. Skills like precision machining, like the kind used for making robots. Course, if you have a million robots, you need technicians, engineers, programmers, maintenance, and all the people that support them.

And what else do you need? Good infrastructure and I just outlined why.

And you wonder why I'm angry at Republicans????? Because it elects stupid people based on race and can't think beyond "taxes". Bunch of fucking idiots.

See? What I did was give only a single idea. Just one. Not weird tax schemes. Not moving the burden to the elderly.

See that? I took apart those tax schemes one at a time. They've already been tried by three presidents and failed miserably each time. The last one was worst of all. And look at my links. No one even came close to backing up their ideas like I did.

But their screaming is so "shrill".

This is the problem with these GOP tax schemes. They've been tried and look at what they did.

Your fully manipulated chart is missing one graphic.

The debt without government overspending....

Oh, wait there it is. At the very bottom. I think that the number is 0.

I am curious as to how that chart would appear with unfunded mandates added into the mix?

 

[kaz]

am curious as to how that chart would appear with unfunded mandates added into the mix?

You mean unfunded liabilities, don't you T?

It's tens of trillions. Staggering.

 

[ScienceRocks]

There was a time that the republicans were some of the biggest defenders of American exploration, science and technology.

4 years ago the biggest supporters for America being number one were REPUBLICANS.

Sadly, No more. The tea party is for destroying America in these area's! What do you people think South Korea, Taiwan, Japan, Germany, Singapore, and China got their economic system from??? It was us.

Now we have a party that wants to take us back to the 18th century and another with the progressive caucus that wants us to become Cuba.

Fucking sad.

 

[ScienceRocks]

am curious as to how that chart would appear with unfunded mandates added into the mix?

You mean unfunded liabilities, don't you T?

It's tens of trillions. Staggering.

and you think a program that has been going on since the 1950's is the cause of it? LOL



I'd say the doubling of people on welfare, food stamps and disability is much more the cause of our debt. Slicing America's throat isn't going to cure the problem. Also 2 wars of nation building added more to the debt then our nws, nhc, noaa and nasa combined since 1990.

Unfunded liabilities, maybe you assholes should be fighting the drains that are useless instead of the ones that make this country stronger.

Not everything should be cut as that means a weaker America.

 

[kaz]

am curious as to how that chart would appear with unfunded mandates added into the mix?

You mean unfunded liabilities, don't you T?

It's tens of trillions. Staggering.

and you think a program that has been going on since the 1950's is the cause of it? LOL



I'd say the doubling of people on welfare, food stamps and disability is much more the cause of our debt. Slicing America's throat isn't going to cure the problem.

Also 2 wars of nation building added more to the debt then our nws, nhc, noaa and nasa combined since 1990.

I'm not sure I get your flow that a program that's been going on since the 1950s somehow logically couldn't cause unfunded liabilities. And I don't get how your listing a bunch of realized debts addresses unfunded liabilities at all.

However, as to Social Security and Medicare, the costs of those programs has skyrocketed because of the Baby Boomers, aka the Gimme Generation. They are retiring reducing the worker to retiree ratio and they have ratcheted up the "benefits."

The Greatest Generation sadly weren't referring to their ability as parents I'm afraid.

 

[ScienceRocks]

You mean unfunded liabilities, don't you T?

It's tens of trillions. Staggering.

and you think a program that has been going on since the 1950's is the cause of it? LOL



I'd say the doubling of people on welfare, food stamps and disability is much more the cause of our debt. Slicing America's throat isn't going to cure the problem.

Also 2 wars of nation building added more to the debt then our nws, nhc, noaa and nasa combined since 1990.

I'm not sure I get your flow that a program that's been going on since the 1950s somehow logically couldn't cause unfunded liabilities. And I don't get how your listing a bunch of realized debts addresses unfunded liabilities at all.

However, as to Social Security and Medicare, the costs of those programs has skyrocketed because of the Baby Boomers, aka the Gimme Generation. They are retiring reducing the worker to retiree ratio and they have ratcheted up the "benefits."

The Greatest Generation sadly weren't referring to their ability as parents I'm afraid.

So maybe we should focus on fixing SSi, Medicare and the skyrocketed cost within area's that cause real debt? Oh'nooo's those things won't be touched as only the things that are good are the first to be trimmed.

lol

 

[yota5]

rdean, a socialist, started this thread by decrying the lack of suggestions USMB republicans have posted on how to improve our economy, and create jobs.

"Where are the Ideas and Policies from the USMB Republicans?
So I'm looking at the USMB threads and once again, there are endless threads about Obama being a socialist or not an American. Every story more outrageous than the one before it.

And nowhere are there any threads about what Republicans think they could do to "help" this country. To create jobs. To improve our infrastructure. Is there anything they don't want to tear down?" (rdean)

First Obama, is a socialist, many of his cabinet members are self admitted communists. Valerie Jarrett, Obama's chief adviser is a communist. "So, here we have Obama’s mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, working with the literal relatives of Valerie Jarrett — all serving together in Chicago’s Communist Party circles in the 1940s. Obama, has a long history of communist involvement. He continues to surround himself with communist sympathizers.

The American Spectator : All in the (Political) Family

rdean, you were apparently sleeping during news broadcasts, and even postings to this web site if you believe that republicans haven't offered ideas and policies that would improve the economic picture here in the USA. Let me refresh your memory by posting a few of those here.
1. Elimination of national debt
2. Elimination of all deficit spending, and lowering taxes.
3. Limited government. We must make government smaller and more efficient.
4. Federal and state fiscal responsibility
5. Term limits
6. Congress, and all government elected officials, political appointees, and government workers will
abide by the same rules and regulations as the American people. No exemptions like those
that are being given to unions and government employees to avoid Obamacare.
7. A budget must be submitted and passed by the Congress ever year or criminal charges will be
levied against any official that blocks its passage.
8. Ground Air Force One, take away Congress' credit card, limit the cost, and the amount of
vacation time available to the President during his term. If he exceeds set limits the overage
comes out of his pocket. Just the implementation of this idea would save the USA billions of
dollars. How nice would that be?

This list could go on, and on, but I think that you get the idea. The key to a healthy US economy is to stop spending. This will only be accomplished by riding ourselves of the parasitic liberal party. These are not the United Socialist States of America. We are the United States of America.

 

[ScienceRocks]

How about closing down 2/3rds of the over sea's military bases.
Grounding 6 aircraft battle groups for 5 years


Fuck why not let everything go from paving the street to imprisoning people.

 

[P@triot]

and im sure many lefties here like Dean think i am a "righty" too....but ask Rottweiler and Rabbi how this "Righty" got into it with them about Pot....you do notice how Sallow never answered what i said about he and Dean.....RW totally changed the subject....Wry did not answer what i asked him about Dean.....they act like he is going to reach through the screen and slap the shit out of them if they say he is an ass....

That's because liberals will align themselves with anything and anyone - no matter how despicable - to push their agenda. They really buy into the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" concept.

Conservatives on the other hand stand firmly in their principle. You believe in the "freedom" of narcotics (sorry, I just find that so absurd that I have to put that in quotes). I believe that freedom does not equal a lawless society of bandits and I know the heinous crimes drug-addiction causes. We will literally come to blows long before I ever accept narcotics to gain favor with you or you ever accept the restriction on your "freedom" to gain favor with me.

It's one of the fundamental differences between the right and the left

You believe in the "freedom" of narcotics

no.....i believe in the freedom of POT.....not hard drugs.....

You want to legalize narcotics you like but outlaw others? Narcotics are Narcotics. I thought only libtards displayed that form of deep hypocrisy!

 

[P@triot]

And look at my links. No one even came close to backing up their ideas like I did.

I've backed up everything I've said with links. And you've run like a disingenuous coward from each one...

The government itself is so insanely unorganized that it is tragically comical. You want "a little government organization"? Why don't you check this out first and then we will have a real conversation:

It is one of the oddest spending habits in Washington: This year, the government will spend at least $890,000 on service fees for bank accounts that are empty. At last count, Uncle Sam has 13,712 such accounts with a balance of zero. They are supposed to be closed. But nobody has done the paperwork yet.

Feds spend at least $890,000 on fees for empty accounts - The Washington Post

That's right RDean - the federal government is so incompetent they pay fees on empty bank accounts with MY money because they are too disorganized to close the accounts.

But wait - there's more! Here's yet another gem:

The IRS sent more than $46 million in tax refunds to 23,994 “unauthorized” alien workers who all listed the same address in Atlanta, Ga., in 2011

IRS Sent $46 Million in Tax Refunds to 23,994 ?Unauthorized? Aliens ? All at the SAME Address in Atlanta | TheBlaze.com

From your article:

The Obama administration has spent the past year trying to close these accounts, with only some success.

All at the SAME address????? You don't believe that. You can't. It's like something from

They call it "Yellow Journalism".

Ahhhhh!!!!

That's the whole point you willfully ignorant lap-dog! The Obama Administration is so incompetent and so corrupt, that they provided "refunds" to illegal aliens that don't even pay taxes - 23,994 of which listed the exact same address in Atlanta.

You are such a mindless little bitch to your master - the federal government.

 

[Camp]

rdean, a socialist, started this thread by decrying the lack of suggestions USMB republicans have posted on how to improve our economy, and create jobs.

"Where are the Ideas and Policies from the USMB Republicans?
So I'm looking at the USMB threads and once again, there are endless threads about Obama being a socialist or not an American. Every story more outrageous than the one before it.

And nowhere are there any threads about what Republicans think they could do to "help" this country. To create jobs. To improve our infrastructure. Is there anything they don't want to tear down?" (rdean)

First Obama, is a socialist, many of his cabinet members are self admitted communists. Valerie Jarrett, Obama's chief adviser is a communist. "So, here we have Obama’s mentor, Frank Marshall Davis, working with the literal relatives of Valerie Jarrett — all serving together in Chicago’s Communist Party circles in the 1940s. Obama, has a long history of communist involvement. He continues to surround himself with communist sympathizers.

The American Spectator : All in the (Political) Family

rdean, you were apparently sleeping during news broadcasts, and even postings to this web site if you believe that republicans haven't offered ideas and policies that would improve the economic picture here in the USA. Let me refresh your memory by posting a few of those here.
1. Elimination of national debt
2. Elimination of all deficit spending, and lowering taxes.
3. Limited government. We must make government smaller and more efficient.
4. Federal and state fiscal responsibility
5. Term limits
6. Congress, and all government elected officials, political appointees, and government workers will
abide by the same rules and regulations as the American people. No exemptions like those
that are being given to unions and government employees to avoid Obamacare.
7. A budget must be submitted and passed by the Congress ever year or criminal charges will be
levied against any official that blocks its passage.
8. Ground Air Force One, take away Congress' credit card, limit the cost, and the amount of
vacation time available to the President during his term. If he exceeds set limits the overage
comes out of his pocket. Just the implementation of this idea would save the USA billions of
dollars. How nice would that be?

This list could go on, and on, but I think that you get the idea. The key to a healthy US economy is to stop spending. This will only be accomplished by riding ourselves of the parasitic liberal party. These are not the United Socialist States of America. We are the United States of America.

This is a list of agenda's and talking points not ideas on how to solve problems. Eliminating national debt, deficit spending and lowering taxes are not original ideas. Nor are they partisan. Term limits, are you kidding. That was part of the Gingritch contract with America and as soon as the party got control of the congress they kicked that one to the curb and all ran for 2nd terms. Anyhow, most people disagree with the concept and there are constitutional issues. 6, 7 and 8 are just nonsense.

 

[Yurt]

i wonder if rdean will still continue to claim that usmb republicans have no ideas and no policies suggestions after this thread....

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

In all fairness, to be conservative and republican is to be devoid of ideas and policies, to indeed do nothing, to decrease the size of government and drown it in a bathtub, to worship the invisible hand, and to create a society where citizens are motivated only be fear and greed.

 

[bripat9643]

That's because liberals will align themselves with anything and anyone - no matter how despicable - to push their agenda. They really buy into the "the enemy of my enemy is my friend" concept.

Conservatives on the other hand stand firmly in their principle. You believe in the "freedom" of narcotics (sorry, I just find that so absurd that I have to put that in quotes). I believe that freedom does not equal a lawless society of bandits and I know the heinous crimes drug-addiction causes. We will literally come to blows long before I ever accept narcotics to gain favor with you or you ever accept the restriction on your "freedom" to gain favor with me.

It's one of the fundamental differences between the right and the left

You believe in the "freedom" of narcotics

no.....i believe in the freedom of POT.....not hard drugs.....

You want to legalize narcotics you like but outlaw others? Narcotics are Narcotics. I thought only libtards displayed that form of deep hypocrisy!

Pot is not a narcotic. Obviously you don't know the meaning of the term.

 

[Vox]

am curious as to how that chart would appear with unfunded mandates added into the mix?

You mean unfunded liabilities, don't you T?

It's tens of trillions. Staggering.

and you think a program that has been going on since the 1950's is the cause of it? LOL



I'd say the doubling of people on welfare, food stamps and disability is much more the cause of our debt. Slicing America's throat isn't going to cure the problem. Also 2 wars of nation building added more to the debt then our nws, nhc, noaa and nasa combined since 1990.

Unfunded liabilities, maybe you assholes should be fighting the drains that are useless instead of the ones that make this country stronger.

Not everything should be cut as that means a weaker America.

Actually it ismedicare spending which is the biggest drive of the dept ( don't remember the figures, on the phone now)
Welfare is not a big chunk of it
Government waste is a bigger problem

And of course, the retarded leftist idea to count as a loss the money they are preying for in reduced taxes is the stupidiest of all their rants

 

[The T]

am curious as to how that chart would appear with unfunded mandates added into the mix?

You mean unfunded liabilities, don't you T?

It's tens of trillions. Staggering.

I do and wrong word. Good catch my friend.

 

[Vox]

You believe in the "freedom" of narcotics

no.....i believe in the freedom of POT.....not hard drugs.....

You want to legalize narcotics you like but outlaw others? Narcotics are Narcotics. I thought only libtards displayed that form of deep hypocrisy!

Pot is not a narcotic. Obviously you don't know the meaning of the term.

Not only narcotics are addictive and harmful. Pot is both addictive and harmful as well.

 

[bripat9643]

You want to legalize narcotics you like but outlaw others? Narcotics are Narcotics. I thought only libtards displayed that form of deep hypocrisy!

Pot is not a narcotic. Obviously you don't know the meaning of the term.

Not only narcotics are addictive and harmful. Pot is both addictive and harmful as well.

So are cigarettes. In fact, they are more addictive than heroin and more harmful. I don't see anyone lobbying to make them illegal.