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Lol, you are confused.I'm saying the kids in cages blamed on Trump was Obama you have a serious comprehension issues and no matter what facts are laid out in front of you people you can't hear anything else but yourself screaming TRUUUUUUUUUMP !!!!!!!It is a straw man. You are trying to say the Obama administration separated children from their parents.That's not a straw man you idiot. The pictures posted with the claim that it was Trump were taken during the Obama administration.Taken during the unprecedented influx of unaccompanied minors in 2014. These children we're not taken from their parents, they arrived alone. There were so many of them that some were housed in converted buildings until enough foster parents could be lined up.The amount of self-delusion from the left is staggering.Didn't happen.
Obama administration officials are rushing to explain photos from 2014 that went viral this weekend showing locked-up immigrant children
Would you like to set up another straw man for me to knock down? This is fun.
That didn't happen. They were unaccompanied by adults.
Try again please.
This plan Trump devised to take children away from those coming here is obviously the worst possible idea. To do this as a deterrent.
Where are the Republican Senators, Representatives?
Where are the any Republicans?
Sitting & doing nothing will reverberate in November.
They will let Donald Trump perform one of the worst acts a government has ever done to families & children. Done purposefully to force pain & despair onto infants & toddlers in order to enforce a policy.
Shame on easch & every one of the,. Shame on each & every one of the posters that agree with this disaster.
You will all rot in Hell in this afront against God, nature & the United States of America.
Fuck you people, Fuck those Republicans, Fuck Jeffv Sessions, fuck Donald Trump for lowering this country to the level of countries we used to rail against their human rights.
This plan Trump devised to take children away from those coming here is obviously the worst possible idea. To do this as a deterrent.
Where are the Republican Senators, Representatives?
Where are the any Republicans?
Sitting & doing nothing will reverberate in November.
They will let Donald Trump perform one of the worst acts a government has ever done to families & children. Done purposefully to force pain & despair onto infants & toddlers in order to enforce a policy.
Shame on easch & every one of the,. Shame on each & every one of the posters that agree with this disaster.
You will all rot in Hell in this afront against God, nature & the United States of America.
Fuck you people, Fuck those Republicans, Fuck Jeffv Sessions, fuck Donald Trump for lowering this country to the level of countries we used to rail against their human rights.
This plan Trump devised to take children away from those coming here is obviously the worst possible idea. To do this as a deterrent.
Where are the Republican Senators, Representatives?
Where are the any Republicans?
Sitting & doing nothing will reverberate in November.
They will let Donald Trump perform one of the worst acts a government has ever done to families & children. Done purposefully to force pain & despair onto infants & toddlers in order to enforce a policy.
Shame on easch & every one of the,. Shame on each & every one of the posters that agree with this disaster.
You will all rot in Hell in this afront against God, nature & the United States of America.
Fuck you people, Fuck those Republicans, Fuck Jeffv Sessions, fuck Donald Trump for lowering this country to the level of countries we used to rail against their human rights.This plan Trump devised to take children away from those coming here is obviously the worst possible idea. To do this as a deterrent.
Where are the Republican Senators, Representatives?
Where are the any Republicans?
Sitting & doing nothing will reverberate in November.
They will let Donald Trump perform one of the worst acts a government has ever done to families & children. Done purposefully to force pain & despair onto infants & toddlers in order to enforce a policy.
Shame on easch & every one of the,. Shame on each & every one of the posters that agree with this disaster.
You will all rot in Hell in this afront against God, nature & the United States of America.
Fuck you people, Fuck those Republicans, Fuck Jeffv Sessions, fuck Donald Trump for lowering this country to the level of countries we used to rail against their human rights.
Do you have any idea how ignorant you are?
This plan Trump devised to take children away from those coming here is obviously the worst possible idea. To do this as a deterrent.
Where are the Republican Senators, Representatives?
Where are the any Republicans?
Sitting & doing nothing will reverberate in November.
They will let Donald Trump perform one of the worst acts a government has ever done to families & children. Done purposefully to force pain & despair onto infants & toddlers in order to enforce a policy.
Shame on easch & every one of the,. Shame on each & every one of the posters that agree with this disaster.
You will all rot in Hell in this afront against God, nature & the United States of America.
Fuck you people, Fuck those Republicans, Fuck Jeffv Sessions, fuck Donald Trump for lowering this country to the level of countries we used to rail against their human rights.
When you shed tears for Manafort being separated from his family, get back to me. Otherwise accept criminals aren't allowed to stay with their family.
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If we're ripping kids from their parents to add unnecessary brutality to our policies and instill some deterrence to the statutes...; why haven't we stripped his kids away from him and every other Trumpian who is going to visit the inside of a jail cell? It will add a deterrent to the money launderers, hackers, witness tamperers, justice obstructors...Good idea.
Nice deflection, I guess you missed the second sentence of my post. Illegals aren't any better than citizens, when you being held for trial you don't get to keep your family with you, the courts won't allow it.
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Yes…but your family gets to visit you while you’re awaiting trial. Right?
Well no, my family has no need to visit me in jail. But families that have that need, aren't provided by transportation to do so.
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This plan Trump devised to take children away from those coming here is obviously the worst possible idea. To do this as a deterrent.
Where are the Republican Senators, Representatives?
Where are the any Republicans?
Sitting & doing nothing will reverberate in November.
They will let Donald Trump perform one of the worst acts a government has ever done to families & children. Done purposefully to force pain & despair onto infants & toddlers in order to enforce a policy.
Shame on easch & every one of the,. Shame on each & every one of the posters that agree with this disaster.
You will all rot in Hell in this afront against God, nature & the United States of America.
Fuck you people, Fuck those Republicans, Fuck Jeffv Sessions, fuck Donald Trump for lowering this country to the level of countries we used to rail against their human rights.
Did ya miss the statement from Trump this morning that "he hates it"???
Wow…only if there was someone that could do something about governmental policy. Maybe with an executive order or something? Oh wait, that would hurt him politically.
DACA was an exec order. It got bruised in the courts and sent back for Congress to act on. Same with this deal. It got damaged in the courts. The courts said there needed to be actual law. Exec action adds too much uncertainty and instability to operate a massive Fed Govt.
You already have Congress NOT WRITING law -- but directing the AGENCIES to make law and they can take over a DECADE with edicts and retractions and changes. Then Congress IGNORES the mgt and oversight of that process. Citizens, businesses and the AGENCIES THEMSELVES need more finality and clarity or things will just cease to work MORE than they are already hosed.
It's time to go back to making CONGRESS understand the problem BEFORE they task the agencies. Or they'll NEVER understand enough to muck with massive reforms, programs, and issues.
Fuck you. We're a nation of laws. Blame the parents for putting their children in jeopardy by breaking our laws.This plan Trump devised to take children away from those coming here is obviously the worst possible idea. To do this as a deterrent.
Where are the Republican Senators, Representatives?
Where are the any Republicans?
Sitting & doing nothing will reverberate in November.
They will let Donald Trump perform one of the worst acts a government has ever done to families & children. Done purposefully to force pain & despair onto infants & toddlers in order to enforce a policy.
Shame on easch & every one of the,. Shame on each & every one of the posters that agree with this disaster.
You will all rot in Hell in this afront against God, nature & the United States of America.
Fuck you people, Fuck those Republicans, Fuck Jeffv Sessions, fuck Donald Trump for lowering this country to the level of countries we used to rail against their human rights.
I'm sorry but this "we can't split up families" talking point is emotional nonsense. We split up families all the time to enforce the law.
Can anyone honestly say that if we catch a serial killer we can't send him to prison because it will take him away from his kids? Does anyone think that is acceptable?
We arrest people and throw them in jail over parking violations. I don't see you people complaining about their families being split up by the government.
Is sincerity really so hard practice?
Again...it's not the separation. That is going to happen. It's preventing kids from seeing their parents. One mother didn't see her child for 8 months. Serial killers usually aren't held without visitors for 8 months.
Can you appreciate the difference?
Serial killer gets visits
Illegal immigrant gets no visit for several months.
Yes. I can. Which is why I think it's completely dishonest to use the talking points currently in use.
But saying "the government is now allowing parents to see children often enough because they are incarcerated for violating the law due to an Obama policy" doesn't have the same emotional impact as screaming "Trumps ripping these poor families apart and locking the kids in cages'"
But does going with the dishonest one help anyone?
What talking points?
The Attorney General said the following:
“If you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you and that child will be separated from you as required by law."
Thats not a talking point...that is what the creep said.
Even casual observers of our government knows that the government can enforce/ignore laws at it's leisure. For example, we do so with pot laws--the federal law prohibits it's sale and possession yet states allow it to be sold and smoked and taxed for that matter. So there is no "requirement" to be this callous. It's a choice. Certainly, it can't be done in every case and nobody expects that. So yes, Trump is ripping the families apart and locking the kids in cages. If this happened under Obama as well; okay...why does that excuse the current administration?
Are you seriously suggesting we should allow child smuggling???
This plan Trump devised to take children away from those coming here is obviously the worst possible idea. To do this as a deterrent.
Where are the Republican Senators, Representatives?
Where are the any Republicans?
Sitting & doing nothing will reverberate in November.
They will let Donald Trump perform one of the worst acts a government has ever done to families & children. Done purposefully to force pain & despair onto infants & toddlers in order to enforce a policy.
Shame on easch & every one of the,. Shame on each & every one of the posters that agree with this disaster.
You will all rot in Hell in this afront against God, nature & the United States of America.
Fuck you people, Fuck those Republicans, Fuck Jeffv Sessions, fuck Donald Trump for lowering this country to the level of countries we used to rail against their human rights.
When you shed tears for Manafort being separated from his family, get back to me. Otherwise accept criminals aren't allowed to stay with their family.
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If we're ripping kids from their parents to add unnecessary brutality to our policies and instill some deterrence to the statutes...; why haven't we stripped his kids away from him and every other Trumpian who is going to visit the inside of a jail cell? It will add a deterrent to the money launderers, hackers, witness tamperers, justice obstructors...Good idea.
Nice deflection, I guess you missed the second sentence of my post. Illegals aren't any better than citizens, when you being held for trial you don't get to keep your family with you, the courts won't allow it.
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Yes…but your family gets to visit you while you’re awaiting trial. Right?
Well no, my family has no need to visit me in jail. But families that have that need, aren't provided by transportation to do so.
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Families that have that need aren't having their kids--who have committed no crime on their own--detained by federal authorities.
In this reprehensible case, it is a matter of policy.Fuck you. We're a nation of laws. Blame the parents for putting their children in jeopardy by breaking our laws.This plan Trump devised to take children away from those coming here is obviously the worst possible idea. To do this as a deterrent.
Where are the Republican Senators, Representatives?
Where are the any Republicans?
Sitting & doing nothing will reverberate in November.
They will let Donald Trump perform one of the worst acts a government has ever done to families & children. Done purposefully to force pain & despair onto infants & toddlers in order to enforce a policy.
Shame on easch & every one of the,. Shame on each & every one of the posters that agree with this disaster.
You will all rot in Hell in this afront against God, nature & the United States of America.
Fuck you people, Fuck those Republicans, Fuck Jeffv Sessions, fuck Donald Trump for lowering this country to the level of countries we used to rail against their human rights.
If we're ripping kids from their parents to add unnecessary brutality to our policies and instill some deterrence to the statutes...; why haven't we stripped his kids away from him and every other Trumpian who is going to visit the inside of a jail cell? It will add a deterrent to the money launderers, hackers, witness tamperers, justice obstructors...Good idea.
Nice deflection, I guess you missed the second sentence of my post. Illegals aren't any better than citizens, when you being held for trial you don't get to keep your family with you, the courts won't allow it.
.
Yes…but your family gets to visit you while you’re awaiting trial. Right?
Well no, my family has no need to visit me in jail. But families that have that need, aren't provided by transportation to do so.
.
Families that have that need aren't having their kids--who have committed no crime on their own--detained by federal authorities.
Tissue? The parents should have thought about that before they crossed, they were warned.
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Nice deflection, I guess you missed the second sentence of my post. Illegals aren't any better than citizens, when you being held for trial you don't get to keep your family with you, the courts won't allow it.
.
Yes…but your family gets to visit you while you’re awaiting trial. Right?
Well no, my family has no need to visit me in jail. But families that have that need, aren't provided by transportation to do so.
.
Families that have that need aren't having their kids--who have committed no crime on their own--detained by federal authorities.
Tissue? The parents should have thought about that before they crossed, they were warned.
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Well, you were bitching about the costs of transportation of all things. If we didn't--by policy--lock up 4 years olds who committed no crime; we would be paying $0.00 for their transportation to see their detained parents.
Nice deflection, I guess you missed the second sentence of my post. Illegals aren't any better than citizens, when you being held for trial you don't get to keep your family with you, the courts won't allow it.
.
Yes…but your family gets to visit you while you’re awaiting trial. Right?
Well no, my family has no need to visit me in jail. But families that have that need, aren't provided by transportation to do so.
.
Families that have that need aren't having their kids--who have committed no crime on their own--detained by federal authorities.
Tissue? The parents should have thought about that before they crossed, they were warned.
.
Well, you were bitching about the costs of transportation of all things. If we didn't--by policy--lock up 4 years olds who committed no crime; we would be paying $0.00 for their transportation to see their detained parents.
Oh okay. LOLYes…but your family gets to visit you while you’re awaiting trial. Right?
Well no, my family has no need to visit me in jail. But families that have that need, aren't provided by transportation to do so.
.
Families that have that need aren't having their kids--who have committed no crime on their own--detained by federal authorities.
Tissue? The parents should have thought about that before they crossed, they were warned.
.
Well, you were bitching about the costs of transportation of all things. If we didn't--by policy--lock up 4 years olds who committed no crime; we would be paying $0.00 for their transportation to see their detained parents.
First stop the lying, I didn't say a damn thing about the "cost" of transportation, I just said it wasn't provided for citizens who want to visit someone in jail.
Also it's been documented in this and other threads that the courts will not allow the feds to detain children. Your bitch is with those judges, no one else.
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Fuck you. We're a nation of laws. Blame the parents for putting their children in jeopardy by breaking our laws.This plan Trump devised to take children away from those coming here is obviously the worst possible idea. To do this as a deterrent.
Where are the Republican Senators, Representatives?
Where are the any Republicans?
Sitting & doing nothing will reverberate in November.
They will let Donald Trump perform one of the worst acts a government has ever done to families & children. Done purposefully to force pain & despair onto infants & toddlers in order to enforce a policy.
Shame on easch & every one of the,. Shame on each & every one of the posters that agree with this disaster.
You will all rot in Hell in this afront against God, nature & the United States of America.
Fuck you people, Fuck those Republicans, Fuck Jeffv Sessions, fuck Donald Trump for lowering this country to the level of countries we used to rail against their human rights.
We're a nation of laws? Tell that to Paul Manafort, Michael Flynn, and the cabal of criminals that is the Trump regime.
And in case your dumbass isn't aware, it is the law for a mother with her child fleeing violence and terrorism to seek asylum at the border.
This plan Trump devised to take children away from those coming here is obviously the worst possible idea. To do this as a deterrent.
Where are the Republican Senators, Representatives?
Where are the any Republicans?
Sitting & doing nothing will reverberate in November.
They will let Donald Trump perform one of the worst acts a government has ever done to families & children. Done purposefully to force pain & despair onto infants & toddlers in order to enforce a policy.
Shame on easch & every one of the,. Shame on each & every one of the posters that agree with this disaster.
You will all rot in Hell in this afront against God, nature & the United States of America.
Fuck you people, Fuck those Republicans, Fuck Jeffv Sessions, fuck Donald Trump for lowering this country to the level of countries we used to rail against their human rights.
Did ya miss the statement from Trump this morning that "he hates it"???
Wow…only if there was someone that could do something about governmental policy. Maybe with an executive order or something? Oh wait, that would hurt him politically.
DACA was an exec order. It got bruised in the courts and sent back for Congress to act on. Same with this deal. It got damaged in the courts. The courts said there needed to be actual law. Exec action adds too much uncertainty and instability to operate a massive Fed Govt.
You already have Congress NOT WRITING law -- but directing the AGENCIES to make law and they can take over a DECADE with edicts and retractions and changes. Then Congress IGNORES the mgt and oversight of that process. Citizens, businesses and the AGENCIES THEMSELVES need more finality and clarity or things will just cease to work MORE than they are already hosed.
It's time to go back to making CONGRESS understand the problem BEFORE they task the agencies. Or they'll NEVER understand enough to muck with massive reforms, programs, and issues.
Sort of missed the point there didn't you?
We have a President who has zero problem destroying Obama executive orders. Usually with other EOs.
Now we have an immigration crisis that is of our own making that the President that says, "he hates it" (the crisis) but refuses to issue an EO.
Oh okay. LOLWell no, my family has no need to visit me in jail. But families that have that need, aren't provided by transportation to do so.
.
Families that have that need aren't having their kids--who have committed no crime on their own--detained by federal authorities.
Tissue? The parents should have thought about that before they crossed, they were warned.
.
Well, you were bitching about the costs of transportation of all things. If we didn't--by policy--lock up 4 years olds who committed no crime; we would be paying $0.00 for their transportation to see their detained parents.
First stop the lying, I didn't say a damn thing about the "cost" of transportation, I just said it wasn't provided for citizens who want to visit someone in jail.
Also it's been documented in this and other threads that the courts will not allow the feds to detain children. Your bitch is with those judges, no one else.
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For some reason the INS detention center in Laredo that has kids in it is nearing capacity.
Explain.
Where are the Republican Senators, Representatives?This plan Trump devised to take children away from those coming here is obviously the worst possible idea. To do this as a deterrent.
Where are the Republican Senators, Representatives?
Where are the any Republicans?
Sitting & doing nothing will reverberate in November.
They will let Donald Trump perform one of the worst acts a government has ever done to families & children. Done purposefully to force pain & despair onto infants & toddlers in order to enforce a policy.
Shame on easch & every one of the,. Shame on each & every one of the posters that agree with this disaster.
You will all rot in Hell in this afront against God, nature & the United States of America.
Fuck you people, Fuck those Republicans, Fuck Jeffv Sessions, fuck Donald Trump for lowering this country to the level of countries we used to rail against their human rights.
This plan Trump devised to take children away from those coming here is obviously the worst possible idea. To do this as a deterrent.
Where are the Republican Senators, Representatives?
Where are the any Republicans?
Sitting & doing nothing will reverberate in November.
They will let Donald Trump perform one of the worst acts a government has ever done to families & children. Done purposefully to force pain & despair onto infants & toddlers in order to enforce a policy.
Shame on easch & every one of the,. Shame on each & every one of the posters that agree with this disaster.
You will all rot in Hell in this afront against God, nature & the United States of America.
Fuck you people, Fuck those Republicans, Fuck Jeffv Sessions, fuck Donald Trump for lowering this country to the level of countries we used to rail against their human rights.
Did ya miss the statement from Trump this morning that "he hates it"???
Wow…only if there was someone that could do something about governmental policy. Maybe with an executive order or something? Oh wait, that would hurt him politically.
DACA was an exec order. It got bruised in the courts and sent back for Congress to act on. Same with this deal. It got damaged in the courts. The courts said there needed to be actual law. Exec action adds too much uncertainty and instability to operate a massive Fed Govt.
You already have Congress NOT WRITING law -- but directing the AGENCIES to make law and they can take over a DECADE with edicts and retractions and changes. Then Congress IGNORES the mgt and oversight of that process. Citizens, businesses and the AGENCIES THEMSELVES need more finality and clarity or things will just cease to work MORE than they are already hosed.
It's time to go back to making CONGRESS understand the problem BEFORE they task the agencies. Or they'll NEVER understand enough to muck with massive reforms, programs, and issues.
Sort of missed the point there didn't you?
We have a President who has zero problem destroying Obama executive orders. Usually with other EOs.
Now we have an immigration crisis that is of our own making that the President that says, "he hates it" (the crisis) but refuses to issue an EO.