Where is it written that 2nd Amend is to keep Govt. in Check?

[bigrebnc1775]

wrong!

To make an amendment requires two-thirds of both houses of congress. The 62nd congress had:



Source: 62nd united states congress - wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

in fact 60 of the 92 senators were republican. You can get the house numbers from the link. The move to get the 17th amendment started in the states.

dumb ass get your facts right

may 31, 1913

the seventeenth amendment to the u.s. Constitution is enacted, providing for the direct popular election of u.s. Senators. Previously, senators were chosen by their respective state legislatures. This amendment succeeds in diminishing the prestige of state governments and enhances popular control of the federal legislature.
american president: American president
the sixty-third united states congress was a meeting of the legislative branch of the united states federal government, composed of the united states senate and the united states house of representatives. It met in washington, d.c. From march 4, 1913 to march 4, 1915
63rd united states congress - wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

composition of the 63rd senate
96 senator
51 democrats
44 republicans
1 other

the house
435 representative's
290 democrat
127 republicans
18 others.
composition of congress by party 1855?2013 ? Infoplease.com
now you were saying?

nearly two-thirds of the senate were republican. You don't even have the right congress that passed the amendment.

congress and on may 13, 1912, was submitted to the states for ratification

source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17th_amendment_to_the_united_states_constitution

the proposal to mandate direct elections for the senate was finally introduced in the congress. It was passed by the congress and on may 13, 1912, was submitted to the states for ratification,

again
62nd congress.
391 representatives
228 democrats
162 republicans

 

[Dubya]

dumb ass get your facts right

may 31, 1913

the seventeenth amendment to the u.s. Constitution is enacted, providing for the direct popular election of u.s. Senators. Previously, senators were chosen by their respective state legislatures. This amendment succeeds in diminishing the prestige of state governments and enhances popular control of the federal legislature.
american president: American president
the sixty-third united states congress was a meeting of the legislative branch of the united states federal government, composed of the united states senate and the united states house of representatives. It met in washington, d.c. From march 4, 1913 to march 4, 1915
63rd united states congress - wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

composition of the 63rd senate
96 senator
51 democrats
44 republicans
1 other

the house
435 representative's
290 democrat
127 republicans
18 others.
composition of congress by party 1855?2013 ? Infoplease.com
now you were saying?

nearly two-thirds of the senate were republican. You don't even have the right congress that passed the amendment.



source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17th_amendment_to_the_united_states_constitution

the proposal to mandate direct elections for the senate was finally introduced in the congress. It was passed by the congress and on may 13, 1912, was submitted to the states for ratification,

again
62nd congress.
391 representatives
228 democrats
162 republicans

To pass an amendment requires two-thirds of the votes in the Senate and the House of Representatives. There were 92 Senators and 60 of them were Republicans. The Democrats have 58.3% of the House and 66.7% is two-thirds.

I told you the 17th Amendment was started on the state level of many states, long before it was considered in Congress. It was not created by the Democrats. You are wrong and were given sources to prove you were wrong. The states wanted the Constitution changed.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

nearly two-thirds of the senate were republican. You don't even have the right congress that passed the amendment.



source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/17th_amendment_to_the_united_states_constitution

the proposal to mandate direct elections for the senate was finally introduced in the congress. It was passed by the congress and on may 13, 1912, was submitted to the states for ratification,

again
62nd congress.
391 representatives
228 democrats
162 republicans

To pass an amendment requires two-thirds of the votes in the Senate and the House of Representatives. There were 92 Senators and 60 of them were Republicans. The Democrats have 58.3% of the House and 66.7% is two-thirds.

I told you the 17th Amendment was started on the state level of many states, long before it was considered in Congress. It was not created by the Democrats. You are wrong and were given sources to prove you were wrong. The states wanted the Constitution changed.

I don't know where you are getting this 60 Republicans
62nd 1911–1913
92 Senators
42 Democrats
49 Republicans
Democrats have always fucked this country up

 

[Dubya]

again
62nd congress.
391 representatives
228 democrats
162 republicans

To pass an amendment requires two-thirds of the votes in the Senate and the House of Representatives. There were 92 Senators and 60 of them were Republicans. The Democrats have 58.3% of the House and 66.7% is two-thirds.

I told you the 17th Amendment was started on the state level of many states, long before it was considered in Congress. It was not created by the Democrats. You are wrong and were given sources to prove you were wrong. The states wanted the Constitution changed.

I don't know where you are getting this 60 Republicans
62nd 1911–1913
92 Senators
42 Democrats
49 Republicans
Democrats have always fucked this country up

You're right, I had the previous Senate and took the figure from the top of this link.

62nd United States Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The point is the same about about Democrats creating the 17th Amendment. It was the states who wanted it changed and it's only logical that people in states would want the direct vote for their Senators, instead of Senators being elected by state legislatures.

The amendment has to pass two-thirds of both houses of Congress and then get ratified by three-quarters of the states. The state legislatures do the ratifying, so they had to change from electing Senators to allowing a direct vote by the people. The Democrats didn't have the power to make that happen. It was the people in the country who wanted it changed and they pushed their state legislatures to ask for change.

Now, it is true that an individual's right to vote has always been a concern for the Democratic Party, it's what started the Democratic Party. Originally only property owners could vote, but states were doing things like allowing someone who owns a mule claim it as property. Franklin said something like: "In comes into question whether the man owns the mule or the mule owns him." Once states started allowing people without property to vote, the other states changed their voter requirements. This was championed on a state level by Democrats, who eventually started electing people to national office. Tennessee comes to mind as the birthplace of that movement.

It's easy to sum up the Presidency from the Civil War to WWI. Lincoln dies and the Democrat Johnson is President. The Republicans stripped him of power. From then until Wilson, there was one Democrat as President and that was Grover Cleveland, who is in the conservative hall of fame. The Democrats were just as laissez-faire during that era as the Republicans. The Republicans started the progressive movement around the turn of the century.

Class dismissed!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

To pass an amendment requires two-thirds of the votes in the Senate and the House of Representatives. There were 92 Senators and 60 of them were Republicans. The Democrats have 58.3% of the House and 66.7% is two-thirds.

I told you the 17th Amendment was started on the state level of many states, long before it was considered in Congress. It was not created by the Democrats. You are wrong and were given sources to prove you were wrong. The states wanted the Constitution changed.

I don't know where you are getting this 60 Republicans
62nd 1911–1913
92 Senators
42 Democrats
49 Republicans
Democrats have always fucked this country up

You're right, I had the previous Senate and took the figure from the top of this link.

62nd United States Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The point is the same about about Democrats creating the 17th Amendment. It was the states who wanted it changed and it's only logical that people in states would want the direct vote for their Senators, instead of Senators being elected by state legislatures.

The amendment has to pass two-thirds of both houses of Congress and then get ratified by three-quarters of the states. The state legislatures do the ratifying, so they had to change from electing Senators to allowing a direct vote by the people. The Democrats didn't have the power to make that happen. It was the people in the country who wanted it changed and they pushed their state legislatures to ask for change.

Now, it is true that an individual's right to vote has always been a concern for the Democratic Party, it's what started the Democratic Party. Originally only property owners could vote, but states were doing things like allowing someone who owns a mule claim it as property. Franklin said something like: "In comes into question whether the man owns the mule or the mule owns him." Once states started allowing people without property to vote, the other states changed their voter requirements. This was championed on a state level by Democrats, who eventually started electing people to national office. Tennessee comes to mind as the birthplace of that movement.

It's easy to sum up the Presidency from the Civil War to WWI. Lincoln dies and the Democrat Johnson is President. The Republicans stripped him of power. From then until Wilson, there was one Democrat as President and that was Grover Cleveland, who is in the conservative hall of fame. The Democrats were just as laissez-faire during that era as the Republicans. The Republicans started the progressive movement around the turn of the century.

Class dismissed!

So the student thinks he taught the teacher something? I suggest you hit the books a little more.

 

[Samson]

It's not a long amendment so lets break it down in the language of the day. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The militia are not regular military but instead are citizens free to pursue their usual occupations yet when called upon for defense they gather their arms and answer the call. Pay attention to the fact the founders were referring to the militia of a country. Those who insisted this be an amendment to the Constitution understood a state to be, as the 1828 dictionary and other historical documents of the day support, an independent nation. The 2nd Amendment was in place to remind the newly formed federal or general government each state's citizenry would be armed and ready to defend themselves should the need arise.

Do you have anything to back this up?

The 2nd reads as militias fighting for America not fighting the American government.

Not really, in my opinion. However, I'm not on the Supreme Court, so my opinion (and probably yours) don't mean much.

There are many things about the US Constitution that require interpretation: Job of the Supreme Court.

 

[whitehall]

If you research the right to bear arms in England and the events leading up to the creation of the 2nd Amendment you might be of the opinion that the FF feared the possibility of tyrannical federal power. It's a moot point anyway.

 

[Dubya]

I don't know where you are getting this 60 Republicans
62nd 1911–1913
92 Senators
42 Democrats
49 Republicans
Democrats have always fucked this country up

You're right, I had the previous Senate and took the figure from the top of this link.

62nd United States Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The point is the same about about Democrats creating the 17th Amendment. It was the states who wanted it changed and it's only logical that people in states would want the direct vote for their Senators, instead of Senators being elected by state legislatures.

The amendment has to pass two-thirds of both houses of Congress and then get ratified by three-quarters of the states. The state legislatures do the ratifying, so they had to change from electing Senators to allowing a direct vote by the people. The Democrats didn't have the power to make that happen. It was the people in the country who wanted it changed and they pushed their state legislatures to ask for change.

Now, it is true that an individual's right to vote has always been a concern for the Democratic Party, it's what started the Democratic Party. Originally only property owners could vote, but states were doing things like allowing someone who owns a mule claim it as property. Franklin said something like: "In comes into question whether the man owns the mule or the mule owns him." Once states started allowing people without property to vote, the other states changed their voter requirements. This was championed on a state level by Democrats, who eventually started electing people to national office. Tennessee comes to mind as the birthplace of that movement.

It's easy to sum up the Presidency from the Civil War to WWI. Lincoln dies and the Democrat Johnson is President. The Republicans stripped him of power. From then until Wilson, there was one Democrat as President and that was Grover Cleveland, who is in the conservative hall of fame. The Democrats were just as laissez-faire during that era as the Republicans. The Republicans started the progressive movement around the turn of the century.

Class dismissed!

So the student thinks he taught the teacher something? I suggest you hit the books a little more.

It is impossible that the 17th Amendment was created by Democrats. They would love to take credit for it, but it just wasn't so.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You're right, I had the previous Senate and took the figure from the top of this link.

62nd United States Congress - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

The point is the same about about Democrats creating the 17th Amendment. It was the states who wanted it changed and it's only logical that people in states would want the direct vote for their Senators, instead of Senators being elected by state legislatures.

The amendment has to pass two-thirds of both houses of Congress and then get ratified by three-quarters of the states. The state legislatures do the ratifying, so they had to change from electing Senators to allowing a direct vote by the people. The Democrats didn't have the power to make that happen. It was the people in the country who wanted it changed and they pushed their state legislatures to ask for change.

Now, it is true that an individual's right to vote has always been a concern for the Democratic Party, it's what started the Democratic Party. Originally only property owners could vote, but states were doing things like allowing someone who owns a mule claim it as property. Franklin said something like: "In comes into question whether the man owns the mule or the mule owns him." Once states started allowing people without property to vote, the other states changed their voter requirements. This was championed on a state level by Democrats, who eventually started electing people to national office. Tennessee comes to mind as the birthplace of that movement.

It's easy to sum up the Presidency from the Civil War to WWI. Lincoln dies and the Democrat Johnson is President. The Republicans stripped him of power. From then until Wilson, there was one Democrat as President and that was Grover Cleveland, who is in the conservative hall of fame. The Democrats were just as laissez-faire during that era as the Republicans. The Republicans started the progressive movement around the turn of the century.

Class dismissed!

So the student thinks he taught the teacher something? I suggest you hit the books a little more.

It is impossible that the 17th Amendment was created by Democrats. They would love to take credit for it, but it just wasn't so.

William Jennings Bryan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was a dominant force in the populist wing of the Democratic Party,

Reformers tabled constitutional amendments in 1828, 1829, and 1855, with the issues finally reaching a head during the 1890s and 1900s. Progressives, such as William Jennings Bryan, called for reform to the way senators were chosen.

 

[Dubya]

So the student thinks he taught the teacher something? I suggest you hit the books a little more.

It is impossible that the 17th Amendment was created by Democrats. They would love to take credit for it, but it just wasn't so.

William Jennings Bryan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was a dominant force in the populist wing of the Democratic Party,

Reformers tabled constitutional amendments in 1828, 1829, and 1855, with the issues finally reaching a head during the 1890s and 1900s. Progressives, such as William Jennings Bryan, called for reform to the way senators were chosen.

Amendments are passed by votes, not ideas. William Jennings Bryan never casted one vote to get the 17th Amendment through Congress or ratified.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

It is impossible that the 17th Amendment was created by Democrats. They would love to take credit for it, but it just wasn't so.

William Jennings Bryan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was a dominant force in the populist wing of the Democratic Party,

Reformers tabled constitutional amendments in 1828, 1829, and 1855, with the issues finally reaching a head during the 1890s and 1900s. Progressives, such as William Jennings Bryan, called for reform to the way senators were chosen.

Amendments are passed by votes, not ideas. William Jennings Bryan never casted one vote to get the 17th Amendment through Congress or ratified.

Here's what you said.

It is impossible that the 17th Amendment was created by Democrats.

Democrats pushed for it they supported it. and Wilson a democratic president signed it into law.

 

[Dubya]

William Jennings Bryan - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

He was a dominant force in the populist wing of the Democratic Party,

Reformers tabled constitutional amendments in 1828, 1829, and 1855, with the issues finally reaching a head during the 1890s and 1900s. Progressives, such as William Jennings Bryan, called for reform to the way senators were chosen.

Amendments are passed by votes, not ideas. William Jennings Bryan never casted one vote to get the 17th Amendment through Congress or ratified.

Here's what you said.

It is impossible that the 17th Amendment was created by Democrats.

Democrats pushed for it they supported it. and Wilson a democratic president signed it into law.

Here is what you said:

Hard to believe the framers would put into the constitution the means, guns, and legality to destroy the new nation they were designing. True, they had put into the Declaration of Independence the rationale to become free, but it took a war to do it, and our history seems to enforce that same premise: want to be free from the nation, you have to win a war. The evidence of that win-a-war theme, are the challenges, over the years, that our government has met with force. The Civil War being the best example of that evidence. At state may secede or a group may take over the government, but it will have to win a war to do it. So all the verbal arguments are meaningless.

Some of the things the founders did were changed by democrats,
The seventeenth Amendment voting for Senators, was originally done by the states legislators

......and it's a lie.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Amendments are passed by votes, not ideas. William Jennings Bryan never casted one vote to get the 17th Amendment through Congress or ratified.

Here's what you said.

Democrats pushed for it they supported it. and Wilson a democratic president signed it into law.

Here is what you said:

Hard to believe the framers would put into the constitution the means, guns, and legality to destroy the new nation they were designing. True, they had put into the Declaration of Independence the rationale to become free, but it took a war to do it, and our history seems to enforce that same premise: want to be free from the nation, you have to win a war. The evidence of that win-a-war theme, are the challenges, over the years, that our government has met with force. The Civil War being the best example of that evidence. At state may secede or a group may take over the government, but it will have to win a war to do it. So all the verbal arguments are meaningless.

Some of the things the founders did were changed by democrats,
The seventeenth Amendment voting for Senators, was originally done by the states legislators

......and it's a lie.

He's a democrat that pushed for support of the 17th amendment.
Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan formally declared the amendment's adoption on May 31, 1913.

 

[Dubya]

Here's what you said.

Democrats pushed for it they supported it. and Wilson a democratic president signed it into law.

Here is what you said:

Some of the things the founders did were changed by democrats,
The seventeenth Amendment voting for Senators, was originally done by the states legislators

......and it's a lie.

He's a democrat that pushed for support of the 17th amendment.
Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan formally declared the amendment's adoption on May 31, 1913.

This is what you said:

Some of the things the founders did were changed by democrats,

It was changed by the people in America. I told you the Democrats can't take the credit of changing how we elect Senators. They would be glad if they could, but the credit goes to the people in America and having state legislatures vote in the people's interest. Republicans certainly supported that change too.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Here is what you said:



......and it's a lie.

He's a democrat that pushed for support of the 17th amendment.
Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan formally declared the amendment's adoption on May 31, 1913.

This is what you said:

Some of the things the founders did were changed by democrats,

It was changed by the people in America. I told you the Democrats can't take the credit of changing how we elect Senators. They would be glad if they could, but the credit goes to the people in America and having state legislatures vote in the people's interest. Republicans certainly supported that change too.

Again democrats pushed to get the 17th amendment passed. What is it that you don't understand about that?

 

[Dubya]

Wingnuts keep saying the Second Amendment is to keep the government in check.

Where is this written in the Constitution?

Where is it written that 2nd Amend is to keep Govt. in Check?

That would be on the shithouse wall of the NRA.

 

[Dubya]

Here's what you said.

Democrats pushed for it they supported it. and Wilson a democratic president signed it into law.

Here is what you said:

Some of the things the founders did were changed by democrats,
The seventeenth Amendment voting for Senators, was originally done by the states legislators

......and it's a lie.

He's a democrat that pushed for support of the 17th amendment.
Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan formally declared the amendment's adoption on May 31, 1913.

You said the Democrats changed it and they didn't.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Here is what you said:



......and it's a lie.

He's a democrat that pushed for support of the 17th amendment.
Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan formally declared the amendment's adoption on May 31, 1913.

You said the Democrats changed it and they didn't.

It was their agenda, their push, and their support, so hell yes it's a democrat thing.

 

[Dubya]

He's a democrat that pushed for support of the 17th amendment.
Secretary of State William Jennings Bryan formally declared the amendment's adoption on May 31, 1913.

You said the Democrats changed it and they didn't.

It was their agenda, their push, and their support, so hell yes it's a democrat thing.

I'm sure they thank you for giving them credit. History can't give them the credit, though, it was the people of the country.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You said the Democrats changed it and they didn't.

It was their agenda, their push, and their support, so hell yes it's a democrat thing.

I'm sure they thank you for giving them credit. History can't give them the credit, though, it was the people of the country.

Credit for fucking up the country? Democrats try to run away from that type of credit.