Where is it written that 2nd Amend is to keep Govt. in Check?

[Contumacious]

You go down the tangents, because you can't stick with the topic of a thread.

Why don't you explain to us how your kind is going to keep the government in check with the weapons available from gun stores? .

How did the Iraqis and the Afghan keep the most powerful army from succeeding?

The insurgents improvised.

Amazing what you can buy in the worldwide blackmarket.

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I understand your point and it's a good one. But I think our kinder, gentler ROEs (rules of engagement) had more to do with it.

And what is really amazing is that the right wingers will need help from the Iraqis, Afghans, ALQaeda and Iranians in order to prevent the domestic communists and left wingers from tyrannizing us.

.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

You're arguing about one word because you can't make and argument against what I said. Such as life......

You go down the tangents, because you can't stick with the topic of a thread.

Why don't you explain to us how your kind is going to keep the government in check with the weapons available from gun stores? .

How did the Iraqis and the Afghan keep the most powerful army from succeeding?

The insurgents improvised.

Amazing what you can buy in the worldwide blackmarket.

.

Asymmetric warfare

 

[regent]

Sometime around 1900 America entered a period historians have labeled the Progressive Era. Vast changes were made hoping to improve America. Changes were made in working conditions, food sanitation, business monopolies, and numberous other places. As part of this progressive movement, changes were made to the Constitution: the 16th, income taxes, 17th. (people elect senators) 18th. (no more booze) 19th. (women get the vote) were the progressive amendments. Teddy Roosevelt ran on a progressive ticket as did Wilson. The Muckrakers were at work, helping to make it a great period in American history.

 

[Contumacious]

Sometime around 1900 America entered a period historians have labeled the Progressive Era. Vast changes were made hoping to improve America. Changes were made in working conditions, food sanitation, business monopolies, and numberous other places. As part of this progressive movement, changes were made to the Constitution: the 16th, income taxes, 17th. (people elect senators) 18th. (no more booze) 19th. (women get the vote) were the progressive amendments. Teddy Roosevelt ran on a progressive ticket as did Wilson. The Muckrakers were at work, helping to make it a great period in American history.

The fascists, euphemistically referred to as progressives, marked the beginning of the end of our Constitutional Republic.

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[regent]

Sometime around 1900 America entered a period historians have labeled the Progressive Era. Vast changes were made hoping to improve America. Changes were made in working conditions, food sanitation, business monopolies, and numberous other places. As part of this progressive movement, changes were made to the Constitution: the 16th, income taxes, 17th. (people elect senators) 18th. (no more booze) 19th. (women get the vote) were the progressive amendments. Teddy Roosevelt ran on a progressive ticket as did Wilson. The Muckrakers were at work, helping to make it a great period in American history.

The fascists, euphemistically referred to as progressives, marked the beginning of the end of our Constitutional Republic.

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Wait, wait, FDR brought the booze back, 21st. Amendment.
So many events have marked the beginning of the end of our constitional republic . I think Jefferson's election was one of the first, and just in my lifetime the end of our repubic has begun at least ten times.

 

[Dubya]

No senator should be elected by the people.

Call your Congressman and tell him! Waste your time with your ridiculous ideas!

Only rediculaus to retards who dont know how a republic works.....We should never have dabbled in democracy.

You wouldn't have been able to get that fine schooling in a Republic. Have a little respect for one and use a capital letter.

 

[Dubya]

You go down the tangents, because you can't stick with the topic of a thread.

Why don't you explain to us how your kind is going to keep the government in check with the weapons available from gun stores? .

How did the Iraqis and the Afghan keep the most powerful army from succeeding?

The insurgents improvised.

Amazing what you can buy in the worldwide blackmarket.

.

Asymmetric warfare

Why don't you grow up? You can't justify needing weapons to keep the government in check. You aren't as bad as you think you are.

 

[emilynghiem]

Wingnuts keep saying the Second Amendment is to keep the government in check.

Where is this written in the Constitution?

The Second Amendment checks itself.
It says a well-regulated militia being necessary for a free state.

Logically, it just makes sense that anyone wanting responsibility for gun ownership should take the same oath and training as any other military or police officer under the law.

the problem we have today: officials in our own govt aren't following the constitution, especially private corporations or city municipalities requiring law suits and court orders before they answer to constitutional issues brought against them.

so if the govt officials aren't enforcing the laws then they lose authority to hold others to the same laws.

that is why the people who are committed to defending the constitution are so fed up with govt claiming this authority yet not enforcing the laws.

we need everyone on the same page, and thent here won't be abuse of arms or legal abuse or political bullying because everyone should be redressing grievances by civil due process in keeping with equal protection and representation of itnerests under the law. we need to follow that if we truly expect law and order and respect for democratic civil rights in society.

 

[emilynghiem]

Why don't you grow up? You can't justify needing weapons to keep the government in check. You aren't as bad as you think you are.

What we need is consistent law enforcement.
NOT people claiming govt authority trying to take guns away from others trying to defend the constitution. That is backwards.

I am as anti-war and pro-peace by consensus/conflict-resolution as you can get.
And I am FOR respecting the consent of gun owners and other people opposed to restrictions on gun laws that can be resolved in better ways without infringing ont he consent of the governed. You violate the social contract by imposing that way.
Defeats the whole purpose of having civil due process and democratic representation.

We are not a dictatorship.
Nor do we need to act like that and abuse power by bullying to get anything done.

if laws are written well, people naturally consent.
So solve the root problems and don't take shortcuts trying to make a political/social statement, such as banning the choice of abortion out of fear it is abused. Solve the problems of abortion without criminalizing it. Same with guns.

 

[emilynghiem]

How did the Iraqis and the Afghan keep the most powerful army from succeeding?

The insurgents improvised.

Amazing what you can buy in the worldwide blackmarket.

.

I understand your point and it's a good one. But I think our kinder, gentler ROEs (rules of engagement) had more to do with it.

And what is really amazing is that the right wingers will need help from the Iraqis, Afghans, ALQaeda and Iranians in order to prevent the domestic communists and left wingers from tyrannizing us.

.

honestly both the right and left wing are well adept at terrorizing each other with words and concepts alone, no other weapons necessary. As long as we remain divided, we waste our resources and destroy oursleves and our nation. I live in a national historic district, a cluster of African Americanchurches built by Freed Slaves before they were even citizens, that is almost completely destroyed while both parties spend millions if not billions fighting rhetorically in the media. We have money to export to build Mosques in foreign countries, but can't save 10 (now 8 after fires and demolition by the city) historic churches in a national landmark to Civil Rights, because of fighting over separation of church and state and funding etc. so sad we have freedom and just enslave ourselves to politics and bad govt, each party blaming the other.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

How did the Iraqis and the Afghan keep the most powerful army from succeeding?

The insurgents improvised.

Amazing what you can buy in the worldwide blackmarket.

.

Asymmetric warfare

Why don't you grow up? You can't justify needing weapons to keep the government in check. You aren't as bad as you think you are.

Why don't you grow the fuck up?A fucking sheeple when their god damn mind ids made up that the sky is green nothing will change their mind.
2+2= ? I bet if you have your mind made up that it's something other than 4 nothing is going to change your mind.

 

[Dubya]

Why don't you grow up? You can't justify needing weapons to keep the government in check. You aren't as bad as you think you are.

What we need is consistent law enforcement.
NOT people claiming govt authority trying to take guns away from others trying to defend the constitution. That is backwards.

I am as anti-war and pro-peace by consensus/conflict-resolution as you can get.
And I am FOR respecting the consent of gun owners and other people opposed to restrictions on gun laws that can be resolved in better ways without infringing ont he consent of the governed. You violate the social contract by imposing that way.
Defeats the whole purpose of having civil due process and democratic representation.

We are not a dictatorship.
Nor do we need to act like that and abuse power by bullying to get anything done.

if laws are written well, people naturally consent.
So solve the root problems and don't take shortcuts trying to make a political/social statement, such as banning the choice of abortion out of fear it is abused. Solve the problems of abortion without criminalizing it. Same with guns.

Grow the fuck up! You aren't defending the Constitution unless you are in the military, so enough of the fantasy. Your body count from your war past, present and future consists of thousands of Americans killed each year by you and your arms suppliers. You aren't a hero, you're an asshole, who has to live a fantasy life to justify his desire to spend money on guns, when you should be using it to support the family needs. Put it in an investment for a college fund or retirement!

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why don't you grow up? You can't justify needing weapons to keep the government in check. You aren't as bad as you think you are.

What we need is consistent law enforcement.
NOT people claiming govt authority trying to take guns away from others trying to defend the constitution. That is backwards.

I am as anti-war and pro-peace by consensus/conflict-resolution as you can get.
And I am FOR respecting the consent of gun owners and other people opposed to restrictions on gun laws that can be resolved in better ways without infringing ont he consent of the governed. You violate the social contract by imposing that way.
Defeats the whole purpose of having civil due process and democratic representation.

We are not a dictatorship.
Nor do we need to act like that and abuse power by bullying to get anything done.

if laws are written well, people naturally consent.
So solve the root problems and don't take shortcuts trying to make a political/social statement, such as banning the choice of abortion out of fear it is abused. Solve the problems of abortion without criminalizing it. Same with guns.

if laws are written well, people naturally consent.

Thing is it's been a long long time since any laws have been written well.

 

[bigrebnc1775]

Why don't you grow up? You can't justify needing weapons to keep the government in check. You aren't as bad as you think you are.

What we need is consistent law enforcement.
NOT people claiming govt authority trying to take guns away from others trying to defend the constitution. That is backwards.

I am as anti-war and pro-peace by consensus/conflict-resolution as you can get.
And I am FOR respecting the consent of gun owners and other people opposed to restrictions on gun laws that can be resolved in better ways without infringing ont he consent of the governed. You violate the social contract by imposing that way.
Defeats the whole purpose of having civil due process and democratic representation.

We are not a dictatorship.
Nor do we need to act like that and abuse power by bullying to get anything done.

if laws are written well, people naturally consent.
So solve the root problems and don't take shortcuts trying to make a political/social statement, such as banning the choice of abortion out of fear it is abused. Solve the problems of abortion without criminalizing it. Same with guns.

Grow the fuck up! You aren't defending the Constitution unless you are in the military, so enough of the fantasy. Your body count from your war past, present and future consists of thousands of Americans killed each year by you and your arms suppliers. You aren't a hero, you're an asshole, who has to live a fantasy life to justify his desire to spend money on guns, when you should be using it to support the family needs. Put it in an investment for a college fund or retirement!

There is no expiration date on a persons oath.

 

[Dubya]

What we need is consistent law enforcement.
NOT people claiming govt authority trying to take guns away from others trying to defend the constitution. That is backwards.

I am as anti-war and pro-peace by consensus/conflict-resolution as you can get.
And I am FOR respecting the consent of gun owners and other people opposed to restrictions on gun laws that can be resolved in better ways without infringing ont he consent of the governed. You violate the social contract by imposing that way.
Defeats the whole purpose of having civil due process and democratic representation.

We are not a dictatorship.
Nor do we need to act like that and abuse power by bullying to get anything done.

if laws are written well, people naturally consent.
So solve the root problems and don't take shortcuts trying to make a political/social statement, such as banning the choice of abortion out of fear it is abused. Solve the problems of abortion without criminalizing it. Same with guns.

Grow the fuck up! You aren't defending the Constitution unless you are in the military, so enough of the fantasy. Your body count from your war past, present and future consists of thousands of Americans killed each year by you and your arms suppliers. You aren't a hero, you're an asshole, who has to live a fantasy life to justify his desire to spend money on guns, when you should be using it to support the family needs. Put it in an investment for a college fund or retirement!

There is no expiration date on a persons oath.

Take a look in the mirror, you are the enemy!

 

[AmericanFirst]

Wingnuts keep saying the Second Amendment is to keep the government in check.

Where is this written in the Constitution?

Wayne Lapierre wrote it in his book.

And Timothy McVeigh used to hand out pamphlets promoting that notion.

Idiot.

 

[nodoginnafight]

Where is it written that 2nd Amend is to keep Govt. in Check?
?

Amazing, that is exactly what King George asked James Madison, Patrick Henry , Thomas Jefferson, et al.

I am sure that if you take your time you will find their response.


.The fucktards never cease to amaze me.

They certainly didn't write their response into the Constitution.

And the idea that we can take other writings of a few of the founders to justify a particular interpretation of what did make it into the Constitution is a fatally flawed argument.

The Constitution was clearly a document by committee. No one person's views are reflected exactly in the document that was ratified. The fact that these founders wrote about the ideas in other documents seems to indicate that they presented these ideas and that they were rejected (because they don't appear in the final document).

So this notion that the Constitution includes the 2nd Amendment because people have the right to wage war on the United States is absurd. It was rejected by the Constitutional Convention and it would (imho) certainly be rejected by any contemporary court.

The 2nd Amendment is clear to me - individuals do have the right to own guns. So why they have that right is only important if you are trying to stretch that right into owning ANY weapon you choose. And that notion has been rejected as well.

 

[AmericanFirst]

Where is it written that 2nd Amend is to keep Govt. in Check?
?

Amazing, that is exactly what King George asked James Madison, Patrick Henry , Thomas Jefferson, et al.

I am sure that if you take your time you will find their response.


.The fucktards never cease to amaze me.

They certainly didn't write their response into the Constitution.

And the idea that we can take other writings of a few of the founders to justify a particular interpretation of what did make it into the Constitution is a fatally flawed argument.

The Constitution was clearly a document by committee. No one person's views are reflected exactly in the document that was ratified. The fact that these founders wrote about the ideas in other documents seems to indicate that they presented these ideas and that they were rejected (because they don't appear in the final document).

So this notion that the Constitution includes the 2nd Amendment because people have the right to wage war on the United States is absurd. It was rejected by the Constitutional Convention and it would (imho) certainly be rejected by any contemporary court.

The 2nd Amendment is clear to me - individuals do have the right to own guns. So why they have that right is only important if you are trying to stretch that right into owning ANY weapon you choose. And that notion has been rejected as well.

No one said it gives one the right to wage war against the USA. Lie much? What is said and is correct is that the constitution protects our right to own guns to protect ourselves against a tyrannical gov't. The left denies that because they are socialists who does not believe in the constitution.

 

[Intense]

7. Resolved, That the construction applied by the General Government (as is evidenced by sundry of their proceedings) to those parts of the Constitution of the United States which delegate to Congress a power “to lay and collect taxes, duties, imports, and excises, to pay the debts, and provide for the common defense and general welfare of the United States,” and “to make all laws which shall be necessary and proper for carrying into execution, the powers vested by the Constitution in the government of the United States, or in any department or officer thereof,” goes to the destruction of all limits prescribed to their powers by the Constitution: that words meant by the instrument to be subsidiary only to the execution of limited powers, ought not to be so construed as themselves to give unlimited powers, nor a part to be so taken as to destroy the whole residue of that instrument: that the proceedings of the General Government under color of these articles, will be a fit and necessary subject of revisal and correction, at a time of greater tranquillity, while those specified in the preceding resolutions call for immediate redress. -James Madison

The Kentucky Resolutions of 1798

Madison and Jefferson nailed the Cancer of Unlimited Power. Bulls-eye.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Why don't you grow up? You can't justify needing weapons to keep the government in check. You aren't as bad as you think you are.

What we need is consistent law enforcement.
NOT people claiming govt authority trying to take guns away from others trying to defend the constitution. That is backwards.

I am as anti-war and pro-peace by consensus/conflict-resolution as you can get.
And I am FOR respecting the consent of gun owners and other people opposed to restrictions on gun laws that can be resolved in better ways without infringing ont he consent of the governed. You violate the social contract by imposing that way.
Defeats the whole purpose of having civil due process and democratic representation.

We are not a dictatorship.
Nor do we need to act like that and abuse power by bullying to get anything done.

if laws are written well, people naturally consent.
So solve the root problems and don't take shortcuts trying to make a political/social statement, such as banning the choice of abortion out of fear it is abused. Solve the problems of abortion without criminalizing it. Same with guns.

Grow the fuck up! You aren't defending the Constitution unless you are in the military, so enough of the fantasy. Your body count from your war past, present and future consists of thousands of Americans killed each year by you and your arms suppliers. You aren't a hero, you're an asshole, who has to live a fantasy life to justify his desire to spend money on guns, when you should be using it to support the family needs. Put it in an investment for a college fund or retirement!

And just how in the fuck do YOU know that the poster you are addressing isn't taking care of their family, investing in college fund/s, or handling their personal responsibilty, and just spends all their money on guns?

Seriously, who the fuck are YOU to sit up here and preach your BS to any one, Slapdick?

But, thanks for your meltdown,....it was quite entertaining....One of the best of the day!