Which Came First Creation Or Evolution?

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“We usually say that nothing can be created out of nothing because we think it would violate the law of conservation of energy,” a hallowed principle in physics holding that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, Vilenkin explains. So how could you create a universe with matter in it, where there had been nothing before?

“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says. That’s a consequence of the fact, mathematically proven, that the energy of a closed universe is zero: The energy of matter is positive, the energy of gravitation is negative, and they always add up to zero. “Therefore, creating a closed universe out of nothing does not violate any conservation laws.”

What Came Before the Big Bang? | DiscoverMagazine.com

 

[edthecynic]

SOMETHING was balanced by SOMETHING.
Something is NOT nothing.
DUH!
Keep on lying, you are making your god very proud!

That something was the gravitation force of the matter and energy itself which balanced or cancelled out the force of the energy and matter. It is basically a freebody diagram where the sum of the forces equals zero.

In order to "SUM" forces they must already exist!

Now I know you do not know what you are talking about.

Did you graduate high school, Ed?

Yes, at age 17. You obviously never got past first grade!

Did you go to university, Ed?

Yes, obviously you didn't.

 

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That something was the gravitation force of the matter and energy itself which balanced or cancelled out the force of the energy and matter. It is basically a freebody diagram where the sum of the forces equals zero.

In order to "SUM" forces they must already exist!

Now I know you do not know what you are talking about.

Did you graduate high school, Ed?

Yes, at age 17. You obviously never got past first grade!

Did you go to university, Ed?

Yes, obviously you didn't.

Really? What did you study?

“We usually say that nothing can be created out of nothing because we think it would violate the law of conservation of energy,” a hallowed principle in physics holding that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, Vilenkin explains. So how could you create a universe with matter in it, where there had been nothing before?

“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says. That’s a consequence of the fact, mathematically proven, that the energy of a closed universe is zero: The energy of matter is positive, the energy of gravitation is negative, and they always add up to zero. “Therefore, creating a closed universe out of nothing does not violate any conservation laws.”

What Came Before the Big Bang? | DiscoverMagazine.com

 

[edthecynic]

In order to "SUM" forces they must already exist!

Now I know you do not know what you are talking about.

Did you graduate high school, Ed?

Yes, at age 17. You obviously never got past first grade!

Did you go to university, Ed?

Yes, obviously you didn't.

Really? What did you study?

“We usually say that nothing can be created out of nothing because we think it would violate the law of conservation of energy,” a hallowed principle in physics holding that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, Vilenkin explains. So how could you create a universe with matter in it, where there had been nothing before?

“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says. That’s a consequence of the fact, mathematically proven, that the energy of a closed universe is zero: The energy of matter is positive, the energy of gravitation is negative, and they always add up to zero. “Therefore, creating a closed universe out of nothing does not violate any conservation laws.”

What Came Before the Big Bang? | DiscoverMagazine.com

I was a triple threat, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics.
In order to "add up to zero," something has to exist in order to be ADDED, and the added parts are something, not nothing. Just because two THINGS exist in equal amounts, does not mean they don't exist simply because the charge of the two THINGS balance out to zero.

A stable atom has an equal positive charge and negative charge equaling an overall charge of zero, but that does not mean the atom is nothing!!!! An atom is definitely something even though its charge adds up to zero.
Get it???
You will pretend you don't.

Remember you are trying to lie about Physics to a physicist!!!

 

[hobelim]

Now I know you do not know what you are talking about.

Did you graduate high school, Ed?

Yes, at age 17. You obviously never got past first grade!

Did you go to university, Ed?

Yes, obviously you didn't.

Really? What did you study?

“We usually say that nothing can be created out of nothing because we think it would violate the law of conservation of energy,” a hallowed principle in physics holding that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, Vilenkin explains. So how could you create a universe with matter in it, where there had been nothing before?

“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says. That’s a consequence of the fact, mathematically proven, that the energy of a closed universe is zero: The energy of matter is positive, the energy of gravitation is negative, and they always add up to zero. “Therefore, creating a closed universe out of nothing does not violate any conservation laws.”

What Came Before the Big Bang? | DiscoverMagazine.com

I was a triple threat, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics.
In order to "add up to zero," something has to exist in order to be ADDED, and the added parts are something, not nothing. Just because two THINGS exist in equal amounts, does not mean they don't exist simply because the charge of the two THINGS balance out to zero.

A stable atom has an equal positive charge and negative charge equaling an overall charge of zero, but that does not mean the atom is nothing!!!! An atom is definitely something even though its charge adds up to zero.
Get it???
You will pretend you don't.

Remember you are trying to lie about Physics to a physicist!!!

He's trying to lie? So what. He's writing in large type in blue with quotation marks, links, and emojis. Its very impressive.

 

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Now I know you do not know what you are talking about.

Did you graduate high school, Ed?

Yes, at age 17. You obviously never got past first grade!

Did you go to university, Ed?

Yes, obviously you didn't.

Really? What did you study?

“We usually say that nothing can be created out of nothing because we think it would violate the law of conservation of energy,” a hallowed principle in physics holding that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, Vilenkin explains. So how could you create a universe with matter in it, where there had been nothing before?

“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says. That’s a consequence of the fact, mathematically proven, that the energy of a closed universe is zero: The energy of matter is positive, the energy of gravitation is negative, and they always add up to zero. “Therefore, creating a closed universe out of nothing does not violate any conservation laws.”

What Came Before the Big Bang? | DiscoverMagazine.com

I was a triple threat, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics.
In order to "add up to zero," something has to exist in order to be ADDED, and the added parts are something, not nothing. Just because two THINGS exist in equal amounts, does not mean they don't exist simply because the charge of the two THINGS balance out to zero.

A stable atom has an equal positive charge and negative charge equaling an overall charge of zero, but that does not mean the atom is nothing!!!! An atom is definitely something even though its charge adds up to zero.
Get it???
You will pretend you don't.

Remember you are trying to lie about Physics to a physicist!!!

Given that you had no clue that inflation theory explains how matter and energy were created without violating the law of conservation and given some of your other nonsensical posts I don’t believe you have any background in science.

 

[BreezeWood]

Yes, at age 17. You obviously never got past first grade!

Did you go to university, Ed?

Yes, obviously you didn't.

Really? What did you study?

“We usually say that nothing can be created out of nothing because we think it would violate the law of conservation of energy,” a hallowed principle in physics holding that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, Vilenkin explains. So how could you create a universe with matter in it, where there had been nothing before?

“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says. That’s a consequence of the fact, mathematically proven, that the energy of a closed universe is zero: The energy of matter is positive, the energy of gravitation is negative, and they always add up to zero. “Therefore, creating a closed universe out of nothing does not violate any conservation laws.”

What Came Before the Big Bang? | DiscoverMagazine.com

I was a triple threat, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics.
In order to "add up to zero," something has to exist in order to be ADDED, and the added parts are something, not nothing. Just because two THINGS exist in equal amounts, does not mean they don't exist simply because the charge of the two THINGS balance out to zero.

A stable atom has an equal positive charge and negative charge equaling an overall charge of zero, but that does not mean the atom is nothing!!!! An atom is definitely something even though its charge adds up to zero.
Get it???
You will pretend you don't.

Remember you are trying to lie about Physics to a physicist!!!

He's trying to lie? So what. He's writing in large type in blue with quotation marks, links, and emojis. Its very impressive.

.

He's trying to lie? So what. He's writing in large type in blue with quotation marks, links, and emojis. Its very impressive.

He's writing in large type in blue with quotation marks, links, and emojis. Its very impressive.

not to mention their choice for a religion, christianity is a corrupt fabrication of the true religion of Antiquity they have used to persecute and victimize the innocent of society including scientific origins and understandings for the same purpose.

 

[edthecynic]

Yes, at age 17. You obviously never got past first grade!

Did you go to university, Ed?

Yes, obviously you didn't.

Really? What did you study?

“We usually say that nothing can be created out of nothing because we think it would violate the law of conservation of energy,” a hallowed principle in physics holding that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, Vilenkin explains. So how could you create a universe with matter in it, where there had been nothing before?

“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says. That’s a consequence of the fact, mathematically proven, that the energy of a closed universe is zero: The energy of matter is positive, the energy of gravitation is negative, and they always add up to zero. “Therefore, creating a closed universe out of nothing does not violate any conservation laws.”

What Came Before the Big Bang? | DiscoverMagazine.com

I was a triple threat, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics.
In order to "add up to zero," something has to exist in order to be ADDED, and the added parts are something, not nothing. Just because two THINGS exist in equal amounts, does not mean they don't exist simply because the charge of the two THINGS balance out to zero.

A stable atom has an equal positive charge and negative charge equaling an overall charge of zero, but that does not mean the atom is nothing!!!! An atom is definitely something even though its charge adds up to zero.
Get it???
You will pretend you don't.

Remember you are trying to lie about Physics to a physicist!!!

Given that you had no clue that inflation theory explains how matter and energy were created without violating the law of conservation and given some of your other nonsensical posts I don’t believe you have any background in science.

Like I give a shit what a pathological liar like you thinks.

 

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Did you go to university, Ed?

Yes, obviously you didn't.

Really? What did you study?

“We usually say that nothing can be created out of nothing because we think it would violate the law of conservation of energy,” a hallowed principle in physics holding that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, Vilenkin explains. So how could you create a universe with matter in it, where there had been nothing before?

“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says. That’s a consequence of the fact, mathematically proven, that the energy of a closed universe is zero: The energy of matter is positive, the energy of gravitation is negative, and they always add up to zero. “Therefore, creating a closed universe out of nothing does not violate any conservation laws.”

What Came Before the Big Bang? | DiscoverMagazine.com

I was a triple threat, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics.
In order to "add up to zero," something has to exist in order to be ADDED, and the added parts are something, not nothing. Just because two THINGS exist in equal amounts, does not mean they don't exist simply because the charge of the two THINGS balance out to zero.

A stable atom has an equal positive charge and negative charge equaling an overall charge of zero, but that does not mean the atom is nothing!!!! An atom is definitely something even though its charge adds up to zero.
Get it???
You will pretend you don't.

Remember you are trying to lie about Physics to a physicist!!!

Given that you had no clue that inflation theory explains how matter and energy were created without violating the law of conservation and given some of your other nonsensical posts I don’t believe you have any background in science.

Like I give a shit what a pathological liar like you thinks.

You literally watched a video where it was explained to you that matter and energy were created without violating the law of conservation and it went over your head.

 

[edthecynic]

Yes, obviously you didn't.

Really? What did you study?

“We usually say that nothing can be created out of nothing because we think it would violate the law of conservation of energy,” a hallowed principle in physics holding that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, Vilenkin explains. So how could you create a universe with matter in it, where there had been nothing before?

“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says. That’s a consequence of the fact, mathematically proven, that the energy of a closed universe is zero: The energy of matter is positive, the energy of gravitation is negative, and they always add up to zero. “Therefore, creating a closed universe out of nothing does not violate any conservation laws.”

What Came Before the Big Bang? | DiscoverMagazine.com

I was a triple threat, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics.
In order to "add up to zero," something has to exist in order to be ADDED, and the added parts are something, not nothing. Just because two THINGS exist in equal amounts, does not mean they don't exist simply because the charge of the two THINGS balance out to zero.

A stable atom has an equal positive charge and negative charge equaling an overall charge of zero, but that does not mean the atom is nothing!!!! An atom is definitely something even though its charge adds up to zero.
Get it???
You will pretend you don't.

Remember you are trying to lie about Physics to a physicist!!!

Given that you had no clue that inflation theory explains how matter and energy were created without violating the law of conservation and given some of your other nonsensical posts I don’t believe you have any background in science.

Like I give a shit what a pathological liar like you thinks.

You literally watched a video where it was explained to you that matter and energy were created without violating the law of conservation and it went over your head.

That's how YOU stupidly interpreted what was said, but according to your STUPIDITY an atom is NOTHING because the positive and negative charges add up to zero, and to you zero is nothing.

 

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Really? What did you study?

“We usually say that nothing can be created out of nothing because we think it would violate the law of conservation of energy,” a hallowed principle in physics holding that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, Vilenkin explains. So how could you create a universe with matter in it, where there had been nothing before?

“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says. That’s a consequence of the fact, mathematically proven, that the energy of a closed universe is zero: The energy of matter is positive, the energy of gravitation is negative, and they always add up to zero. “Therefore, creating a closed universe out of nothing does not violate any conservation laws.”

What Came Before the Big Bang? | DiscoverMagazine.com

I was a triple threat, Biology, Chemistry, and Physics.
In order to "add up to zero," something has to exist in order to be ADDED, and the added parts are something, not nothing. Just because two THINGS exist in equal amounts, does not mean they don't exist simply because the charge of the two THINGS balance out to zero.

A stable atom has an equal positive charge and negative charge equaling an overall charge of zero, but that does not mean the atom is nothing!!!! An atom is definitely something even though its charge adds up to zero.
Get it???
You will pretend you don't.

Remember you are trying to lie about Physics to a physicist!!!

Given that you had no clue that inflation theory explains how matter and energy were created without violating the law of conservation and given some of your other nonsensical posts I don’t believe you have any background in science.

Like I give a shit what a pathological liar like you thinks.

You literally watched a video where it was explained to you that matter and energy were created without violating the law of conservation and it went over your head.

That's how YOU stupidly interpreted what was said, but according to your STUPIDITY an atom is NOTHING because the positive and negative charges add up to zero, and to you zero is nothing.

“We usually say that nothing can be created out of nothing because we think it would violate the law of conservation of energy,” a hallowed principle in physics holding that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, Vilenkin explains. So how could you create a universe with matter in it, where there had been nothing before?

“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says. That’s a consequence of the fact, mathematically proven, that the energy of a closed universe is zero: The energy of matter is positive, the energy of gravitation is negative, and they always add up to zero. “Therefore, creating a closed universe out of nothing does not violate any conservation laws.”

What Came Before the Big Bang? | DiscoverMagazine.com

 

[edthecynic]

“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says.

For gravitational energy to exist, mass must exist.
Gravity is a fundamental underlying force in the universe. The amount of gravity that something possesses is proportional to its mass and distance between it and another object. This relationship was first published by Sir Issac Newton.

 

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“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says.

For gravitational energy to exist, mass must exist.
Gravity is a fundamental underlying force in the universe. The amount of gravity that something possesses is proportional to its mass and distance between it and another object. This relationship was first published by Sir Issac Newton.

You are now arguing against inflation theory.

Gravity didn't exist until matter was created from nothing in a closed system. And while matter was being created from nothing in a closed system, the gravity of the closed system cancelled out the force of matter such that the sum of the forces was zero. The net energy of the closed system was and is always zero. So the law of conservation was not violated.

It is all explained right here:

“We usually say that nothing can be created out of nothing because we think it would violate the law of conservation of energy,” a hallowed principle in physics holding that energy can neither be created nor destroyed, Vilenkin explains. So how could you create a universe with matter in it, where there had been nothing before?

“The way the universe gets around that problem is that gravitational energy is negative,” Vilenkin says. That’s a consequence of the fact, mathematically proven, that the energy of a closed universe is zero: The energy of matter is positive, the energy of gravitation is negative, and they always add up to zero. “Therefore, creating a closed universe out of nothing does not violate any conservation laws.”

What Came Before the Big Bang? | DiscoverMagazine.com

 

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Inflation explains the otherwise curious cancellation of matter and gravitational energy on cosmological scales, which is consistent with astronomical observations. Stephen Hawking

 

[edthecynic]

Gravity didn't exist until matter was created from nothing in a closed system. And while matter was being created from nothing in a closed system, the gravity of the closed system cancelled out the force of matter such that the sum of the forces was zero. The net energy of the closed system was and is always zero. So the law of conservation was not violated.

Please show where the law of conservation on energy says anything about the net energy always equals zero.

Is an atom something or nothing?

 

[edthecynic]

Inflation explains the otherwise curious cancellation of matter and gravitational energy on cosmological scales, which is consistent with astronomical observations. Stephen Hawking

Inflation is pure BULLSHIT violating the FLoT. Some asshole's pontification does not change the FLOT.

Is The Inflationary Universe A Scientific Theory? Not Anymore

And it's even worse, they argue, inflation is not even a scientific theory:

“nflationary cosmology, as we currently understand it, cannot be evaluated using the scientific method.”

 

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Inflation explains the otherwise curious cancellation of matter and gravitational energy on cosmological scales, which is consistent with astronomical observations. Stephen Hawking

Inflation is pure BULLSHIT violating the FLoT. Some asshole's pontification does not change the FLOT.

Is The Inflationary Universe A Scientific Theory? Not Anymore

And it's even worse, they argue, inflation is not even a scientific theory:

“nflationary cosmology, as we currently understand it, cannot be evaluated using the scientific method.”

Inflation doesn't violate the FLoT. It honors it.

You on the other hand will fuck the dog shit out of the SLoT.

 

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Militant atheists pretend to worship science but are the first to reject it when it suits their purposes.

 

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Gravity didn't exist until matter was created from nothing in a closed system. And while matter was being created from nothing in a closed system, the gravity of the closed system cancelled out the force of matter such that the sum of the forces was zero. The net energy of the closed system was and is always zero. So the law of conservation was not violated.

Please show where the law of conservation on energy says anything about the net energy always equals zero.

Is an atom something or nothing?

The net energy of a closed system is always zero. Don't you know anything?