"Which Parent Do I Not Need - My Mom or My Dad?"

[NYcarbineer]

No it isn't.

Nine states (CT, IA, ME, MD, MA, NH, NY, WA, and VT) plus Washington, D.C. have the freedom to marry for same-sex couples. In 2012, the legislature in NJ passed a freedom to marry bill, and work is now underway to override the governor's veto.

NM and RI explicitly respect out-of-state marriages of same-sex couples, while eight states now offer broad protections short of marriage. CO, DE, HI, IL, NJ, and RI allow civil union, while CA, OR, and NV offer broad domestic partnership. WI has more limited domestic partnership.

With these advances, a record number of Americans live in states that recognize relationships between same-sex couples:

Nearly 17% of the U.S. population lives in a state that either has the freedom to marry or honors out-of-state marriages of same-sex couples.
Over 40% of the U.S. population lives in a state with either marriage or a broad legal status such as civil union or domestic partnership.
Over 42% of the U.S. population lives in a state that provides some form of protections for gay couples.
​

Freedom to Marry: states

And that's just legal marriage. We can get married in churches too.


Which Churches Allow Gay Marriage?

political activism does not change the FACT that it takes one man and one woman to procreate.....hopefully within the bounds of Marriage for the sake of the child and society...

i'd like to see all those states put it to a VOTE by the people.....not a bunch of activist judges....

California....one of the most fucking liberal states out there......voted AGAINST gay marriage.....but their judges reversed it......what's up with that...?

The tide has turned.....gay marriage is becoming the law of the land

How long before conservatives stop brainwashing their kids about the value of those families?

I just hope as the battle is won that gay Americans remember, for a very long time, which side of the aisle their friends were on.

 

[Rozman]

If Grace's parents had been two women, which one would she not have needed?

The one who works?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Marriage is between one man and one woman.....you shouldn't bring aboard anyone else

No it isn't.

Nine states (CT, IA, ME, MD, MA, NH, NY, WA, and VT) plus Washington, D.C. have the freedom to marry for same-sex couples. In 2012, the legislature in NJ passed a freedom to marry bill, and work is now underway to override the governor's veto.

NM and RI explicitly respect out-of-state marriages of same-sex couples, while eight states now offer broad protections short of marriage. CO, DE, HI, IL, NJ, and RI allow civil union, while CA, OR, and NV offer broad domestic partnership. WI has more limited domestic partnership.

With these advances, a record number of Americans live in states that recognize relationships between same-sex couples:

Nearly 17% of the U.S. population lives in a state that either has the freedom to marry or honors out-of-state marriages of same-sex couples.
Over 40% of the U.S. population lives in a state with either marriage or a broad legal status such as civil union or domestic partnership.
Over 42% of the U.S. population lives in a state that provides some form of protections for gay couples.
​

Freedom to Marry: states

And that's just legal marriage. We can get married in churches too.


Which Churches Allow Gay Marriage?

political activism does not change the FACT that it takes one man and one woman to procreate.....hopefully within the bounds of Marriage for the sake of the child and society...

i'd like to see all those states put it to a VOTE by the people.....not a bunch of activist judges....

California....one of the most fucking liberal states out there......voted AGAINST gay marriage.....but their judges reversed it......what's up with that...?

The rule of law – something conservatives are either ignorant of or have contempt for.

 

[ScreamingEagle]

So...those those donators should always be the PARENTAL units that raise the child? This is the best always?

Marriage is between one man and one woman.....you shouldn't bring aboard anyone else.....

why do you call parents "units"....?

Marriage is between two equal partners, and in no way excludes same-sex couples:

As states moved to recognize the
equality of the sexes, they eliminated laws and practices like
coverture that had made gender a proxy for a spouse’s role within a
marriage. FF 26-27, 32. Marriage was thus transformed from a
male-dominated institution into an institution recognizing men and
women as equals. Id. Yet, individuals retained the right to
marry; that right did not become different simply because the
institution of marriage became compatible with gender equality.

The evidence did not show any historical purpose for
excluding same-sex couples from marriage, as states have never
required spouses to have an ability or willingness to procreate in
order to marry. FF 21. Rather, the exclusion exists as an
artifact of a time when the genders were seen as having distinct
roles in society and in marriage. That time has passed.

Today, gender is not
relevant to the state in determining spouses’ obligations to each
other and to their dependents. Relative gender composition aside,
same-sex couples are situated identically to opposite-sex couples
in terms of their ability to perform the rights and obligations of
marriage under California law. FF 48. Gender no longer forms an
essential part of marriage; marriage under law is a union of
equals.

Hollingsworth v. Perry

"gender is not relevant to the state"......?

so what's next on the list of things 'not relevant' to the STATE.....? age? number? other 'sexual orientations'....?

this is simply the unleashing of unnatural secular RELATIVISM....

 

[ScreamingEagle]

No it isn't.

Nine states (CT, IA, ME, MD, MA, NH, NY, WA, and VT) plus Washington, D.C. have the freedom to marry for same-sex couples. In 2012, the legislature in NJ passed a freedom to marry bill, and work is now underway to override the governor's veto.

NM and RI explicitly respect out-of-state marriages of same-sex couples, while eight states now offer broad protections short of marriage. CO, DE, HI, IL, NJ, and RI allow civil union, while CA, OR, and NV offer broad domestic partnership. WI has more limited domestic partnership.

With these advances, a record number of Americans live in states that recognize relationships between same-sex couples:

Nearly 17% of the U.S. population lives in a state that either has the freedom to marry or honors out-of-state marriages of same-sex couples.
Over 40% of the U.S. population lives in a state with either marriage or a broad legal status such as civil union or domestic partnership.
Over 42% of the U.S. population lives in a state that provides some form of protections for gay couples.
​

Freedom to Marry: states

And that's just legal marriage. We can get married in churches too.


Which Churches Allow Gay Marriage?

political activism does not change the FACT that it takes one man and one woman to procreate.....hopefully within the bounds of Marriage for the sake of the child and society...

i'd like to see all those states put it to a VOTE by the people.....not a bunch of activist judges....

California....one of the most fucking liberal states out there......voted AGAINST gay marriage.....but their judges reversed it......what's up with that...?

The rule of law – something conservatives are either ignorant of or have contempt for.

please point to where homosexual marriage is stated as a right in the Constitution....you won't find it.....yet somehow the activist judges find it in there.....probably right next to abortion rights...

the voices of the people of this country are being silenced....

 

[buckeye45_73]

No it isn't.

Nine states (CT, IA, ME, MD, MA, NH, NY, WA, and VT) plus Washington, D.C. have the freedom to marry for same-sex couples. In 2012, the legislature in NJ passed a freedom to marry bill, and work is now underway to override the governor's veto.

NM and RI explicitly respect out-of-state marriages of same-sex couples, while eight states now offer broad protections short of marriage. CO, DE, HI, IL, NJ, and RI allow civil union, while CA, OR, and NV offer broad domestic partnership. WI has more limited domestic partnership.

With these advances, a record number of Americans live in states that recognize relationships between same-sex couples:

Nearly 17% of the U.S. population lives in a state that either has the freedom to marry or honors out-of-state marriages of same-sex couples.
Over 40% of the U.S. population lives in a state with either marriage or a broad legal status such as civil union or domestic partnership.
Over 42% of the U.S. population lives in a state that provides some form of protections for gay couples.
​

Freedom to Marry: states

And that's just legal marriage. We can get married in churches too.


Which Churches Allow Gay Marriage?

political activism does not change the FACT that it takes one man and one woman to procreate.....hopefully within the bounds of Marriage for the sake of the child and society...

i'd like to see all those states put it to a VOTE by the people.....not a bunch of activist judges....

California....one of the most fucking liberal states out there......voted AGAINST gay marriage.....but their judges reversed it......what's up with that...?

The rule of law – something conservatives are either ignorant of or have contempt for.

Is this all you have? do you every offer anything, are you and jake starkey the same person?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

political activism does not change the FACT that it takes one man and one woman to procreate.....hopefully within the bounds of Marriage for the sake of the child and society...

i'd like to see all those states put it to a VOTE by the people.....not a bunch of activist judges....

California....one of the most fucking liberal states out there......voted AGAINST gay marriage.....but their judges reversed it......what's up with that...?

The rule of law – something conservatives are either ignorant of or have contempt for.

please point to where homosexual marriage is stated as a right in the Constitution....you won't find it.....yet somehow the activist judges find it in there.....probably right next to abortion rights...

the voices of the people of this country are being silenced....

Conservatives also seem ignorant of the fact that the United States is a Constitutional Republic, not a democracy; its citizens are subject solely to the rule of law, not men – as men are incapable of ruling justly, Proposition 8 is evidence of that.

The right of same-sex couples to access marriage law is found in the Due Process and Equal Protection Clauses of the 14 Amendment to the US Constitution, as well as the current case law on the issue now before the High Court for review.

 

[rightwinger]

political activism does not change the FACT that it takes one man and one woman to procreate.....hopefully within the bounds of Marriage for the sake of the child and society...

i'd like to see all those states put it to a VOTE by the people.....not a bunch of activist judges....

California....one of the most fucking liberal states out there......voted AGAINST gay marriage.....but their judges reversed it......what's up with that...?

The tide has turned.....gay marriage is becoming the law of the land

How long before conservatives stop brainwashing their kids about the value of those families?

So how many guys have you done?

Are you insinuating that I am gay?

Why that used to be quite offensive when I was in fifth grade

 

[rightwinger]

political activism does not change the FACT that it takes one man and one woman to procreate.....hopefully within the bounds of Marriage for the sake of the child and society...

i'd like to see all those states put it to a VOTE by the people.....not a bunch of activist judges....

California....one of the most fucking liberal states out there......voted AGAINST gay marriage.....but their judges reversed it......what's up with that...?

The rule of law – something conservatives are either ignorant of or have contempt for.

please point to where homosexual marriage is stated as a right in the Constitution....you won't find it.....yet somehow the activist judges find it in there.....probably right next to abortion rights...

the voices of the people of this country are being silenced....

14th Amendment

 

[NoNukes]

lol....i guess dealing in cold hard facts blows your libtard mind....

You are dealing with cold, hard opinions. Have to commend you though on not denying your homophobia or that you could be a closet case.

everything is an "opinion" with you Seculars.....and when you can't dish up any facts to support your positions you resort to personal attacks.....FAIL....

What facts have you dished up? Only opinions because you are scared to death that you could be gay.

 

[bodecea]

The tide has turned.....gay marriage is becoming the law of the land

How long before conservatives stop brainwashing their kids about the value of those families?

So how many guys have you done?

Are you insinuating that I am gay?

Why that used to be quite offensive when I was in fifth grade

Operative words "used to be".

 

[ScreamingEagle]

You don't believe in first-hand, eye-witness testimony? You don't believe the overwhelming majority of scientists? You have no proof to the contrary, none.

the onus is on you to prove you are a "suspect" class.....and you haven't....

Of course we warrant equal protection. Would you deny me a gun or the right to vote because I'm gay? Why the fundamental right to civil marriage?

you'd be denied if you were mental.....homosexuality was considered a 'mental' or emotional problem only a few short years ago...until the leftist psychology group 'redefined' it....much like the leftist scientists on AGW.... consensus is not proof....

Our children don't have "mothers and fathers", they have parents.

Of course were a family. You don't have a monopoly on the word family.

you are redefining "parent" and "family".....to suit your own wants...

Polygamy? OMG, you are hysterical.

when it takes 3.....looks like a duck....

and since when should gay marriage automatically condone the creation of a whole new group of 'engineered' people.....what about their rights to an equal start in life...?

Most Recent ART Data
According to CDC’s 2011 preliminary ART Fertility Clinic Success Rates Report, 163,038* ART cycles were performed at 451 reporting clinics in the United States during 2011, resulting in 47,849 live births (deliveries of one or more living infants) and 61,610 live born infants. Although the use of ART is still relatively rare as compared to the potential demand, its use has doubled over the past decade. Today, over 1% of all infants born in the United States every year are conceived using ART.​

ART: Assisted Reproductive Technology



No, they sometimes do not have one or more of their biological parents. We are their real parents. Ask them, they'll tell you the same thing.

"real" is subjective to you.....once again you are redefining "parent"....

You've obviously never looked at a sperm or egg donor catalogue. They are VERY extensive. (Including heritage) 4% of adoptions in this country are by gays and lesbians.

most engineered children do not know their real parents.....yet many seek them out later in life.....i guess that has something to do with "real parents" and "real heritage"....



Actually, what the studies show is that children do best in two parent households where their parents are married to each other.

A great deal of scientific research documents there is no cause-and-effect relationship between parents’ sexual orientation and children’s well-being, according to the AAP policy. In fact, many studies attest to the normal development of children of same-gender couples when the child is wanted, the parents have a commitment to shared parenting, and the parents have strong social and economic support. Critical factors that affect the normal development and mental health of children are parental stress, economic and social stability, community resources, discrimination, and children’s exposure to toxic stressors at home or in their communities -- not the sexual orientation of their parents.​

American Academy of Pediatrics Supports Same Gender Civil Marriage

that's the gay mantra....but study after study shows single moms have problem children...why kids of gay parents wouldn't have problems too is hard to fathom....i don't think there are enough studies yet to prove the true effects of gay 'parenting'.....in fact a recent study (i forget who) shows that children of gays become gay-identified at a way higher rate than with heterosexual parents...that doesn't bode well for them...

.

How odd that you claim so many facts, but don't actually produce any.

In 2011, the first randomly selected, nationally representative sample study was conducted by a University of Texas sociologist, Dr. Mark Regnerus. [8] The New Family Structures Study (NFSS) utilized Knowledge Networks [9] that screened 15,000 young adults and found 3,000 respondents.

The data concluded that 175 young adults whose mothers had a same-sex relationship tended to fare worse than their peers in intact biological families on 24 of 40 outcomes. They were far more likely to report being sexually victimized, to be on welfare, or to be currently unemployed.

Seventy-three young adults whose fathers had a same-sex relationship were significantly more likely to have contemplated suicide, to have had a sexually transmitted infection, or to have been forced to have sex against their will.

Long-term stability was uncommon -- 57 % of the children reported living with same sex mothers for more than four months and 24 % reported living with gay fathers for more than four months.

Two of the 175 respondents whose mothers had a same-sex relationship reported that the living arrangement lasted all 18 years of their childhood. This nullified the "no difference" assertion. [10]

Dr. Regnerus concluded that the "stable, two parent, biological married model is the far more common and accomplished workhorse of the American household" and remains the safest place for children based on this study.

At present, far too little is known about these new household forms to which activist courts are assigning "no difference." Much more data will be required before generalizable conclusions can be drawn.


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[CMike]

many women have taken the place of a father.

its proven fact

No, they have not.

 

[bodecea]

.

How odd that you claim so many facts, but don't actually produce any.

In 2011, the first randomly selected, nationally representative sample study was conducted by a University of Texas sociologist, Dr. Mark Regnerus. [8] The New Family Structures Study (NFSS) utilized Knowledge Networks [9] that screened 15,000 young adults and found 3,000 respondents.

The data concluded that 175 young adults whose mothers had a same-sex relationship tended to fare worse than their peers in intact biological families on 24 of 40 outcomes. They were far more likely to report being sexually victimized, to be on welfare, or to be currently unemployed.

Seventy-three young adults whose fathers had a same-sex relationship were significantly more likely to have contemplated suicide, to have had a sexually transmitted infection, or to have been forced to have sex against their will.

Long-term stability was uncommon -- 57 % of the children reported living with same sex mothers for more than four months and 24 % reported living with gay fathers for more than four months.

Two of the 175 respondents whose mothers had a same-sex relationship reported that the living arrangement lasted all 18 years of their childhood. This nullified the "no difference" assertion. [10]

Dr. Regnerus concluded that the "stable, two parent, biological married model is the far more common and accomplished workhorse of the American household" and remains the safest place for children based on this study.

At present, far too little is known about these new household forms to which activist courts are assigning "no difference." Much more data will be required before generalizable conclusions can be drawn.


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Follow us: [MENTION=20123]American[/MENTION]Thinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

Your link leads to this study:

New Family Structures Study

Where are the so-called results?

Got this on results:

http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/publications.html

And here is the questionnaire:

http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/documents/NFSS-Survey-Instrument.pdf Notice it is NOT geared towards children of gay couples specifically

 

[bodecea]

many women have taken the place of a father.

its proven fact

No, they have not.

So...what place does a father have the mother cannot fill in a child's life?

Most families I know, it's the mom who takes them to school, to sports, to events, helps them with homework, gives advice, etc.

What does the father do that is exclusive to fathers?

 

[ScreamingEagle]

How odd that you claim so many facts, but don't actually produce any.

In 2011, the first randomly selected, nationally representative sample study was conducted by a University of Texas sociologist, Dr. Mark Regnerus. [8] The New Family Structures Study (NFSS) utilized Knowledge Networks [9] that screened 15,000 young adults and found 3,000 respondents.

The data concluded that 175 young adults whose mothers had a same-sex relationship tended to fare worse than their peers in intact biological families on 24 of 40 outcomes. They were far more likely to report being sexually victimized, to be on welfare, or to be currently unemployed.

Seventy-three young adults whose fathers had a same-sex relationship were significantly more likely to have contemplated suicide, to have had a sexually transmitted infection, or to have been forced to have sex against their will.

Long-term stability was uncommon -- 57 % of the children reported living with same sex mothers for more than four months and 24 % reported living with gay fathers for more than four months.

Two of the 175 respondents whose mothers had a same-sex relationship reported that the living arrangement lasted all 18 years of their childhood. This nullified the "no difference" assertion. [10]

Dr. Regnerus concluded that the "stable, two parent, biological married model is the far more common and accomplished workhorse of the American household" and remains the safest place for children based on this study.

At present, far too little is known about these new household forms to which activist courts are assigning "no difference." Much more data will be required before generalizable conclusions can be drawn.


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Your link leads to this study:

New Family Structures Study

Where are the so-called results?

Got this on results:

New Family Structures Study

And here is the questionnaire:

http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/documents/NFSS-Survey-Instrument.pdf Notice it is NOT geared towards children of gay couples specifically

as it says in the article...

[N]ot one of the 59 studies referenced in the 2005 APA Brief compares a large, random, representative sample of lesbian or gay parents and their children with a large, random, representative sample of married parents and their children. The available data which are drawn primarily from small convenience samples, are insufficient to support a strong generalizable claim either way. Such a statement would not be grounded in science. To make a generalizable claim, representative, large-sample studies are needed-many of them.

Dr. Regnerus's 2011 study evidently was the first randomly selected, nationally representative sample study...

 

[bodecea]

In 2011, the first randomly selected, nationally representative sample study was conducted by a University of Texas sociologist, Dr. Mark Regnerus. [8] The New Family Structures Study (NFSS) utilized Knowledge Networks [9] that screened 15,000 young adults and found 3,000 respondents.

The data concluded that 175 young adults whose mothers had a same-sex relationship tended to fare worse than their peers in intact biological families on 24 of 40 outcomes. They were far more likely to report being sexually victimized, to be on welfare, or to be currently unemployed.

Seventy-three young adults whose fathers had a same-sex relationship were significantly more likely to have contemplated suicide, to have had a sexually transmitted infection, or to have been forced to have sex against their will.

Long-term stability was uncommon -- 57 % of the children reported living with same sex mothers for more than four months and 24 % reported living with gay fathers for more than four months.

Two of the 175 respondents whose mothers had a same-sex relationship reported that the living arrangement lasted all 18 years of their childhood. This nullified the "no difference" assertion. [10]

Dr. Regnerus concluded that the "stable, two parent, biological married model is the far more common and accomplished workhorse of the American household" and remains the safest place for children based on this study.

At present, far too little is known about these new household forms to which activist courts are assigning "no difference." Much more data will be required before generalizable conclusions can be drawn.


Read more: Articles: LGBTs Can Thrive By Building Courageous Bridges
Follow us: [MENTION=20123]American[/MENTION]Thinker on Twitter | AmericanThinker on Facebook

Your link leads to this study:

New Family Structures Study

Where are the so-called results?

Got this on results:

New Family Structures Study

And here is the questionnaire:

http://www.prc.utexas.edu/nfss/documents/NFSS-Survey-Instrument.pdf Notice it is NOT geared towards children of gay couples specifically

as it says in the article...

[N]ot one of the 59 studies referenced in the 2005 APA Brief compares a large, random, representative sample of lesbian or gay parents and their children with a large, random, representative sample of married parents and their children. The available data which are drawn primarily from small convenience samples, are insufficient to support a strong generalizable claim either way. Such a statement would not be grounded in science. To make a generalizable claim, representative, large-sample studies are needed-many of them.

Dr. Regnerus's 2011 study evidently was the first randomly selected, nationally representative sample study...

And what are the results of the 2011 study? The results are not in the link to the study.

 

[buckeye45_73]

many women have taken the place of a father.

its proven fact

No, they have not.

So...what place does a father have the mother cannot fill in a child's life?

Most families I know, it's the mom who takes them to school, to sports, to events, helps them with homework, gives advice, etc.

What does the father do that is exclusive to fathers?

Are you serious about that? so single parent households are as good as two parent ones......if you dont know men and women are differnt, with different qualities and capabilities, then you really dont know much do ya?


PS do you know why the black community talks so much about male rolemodels and missing fathers? They have mothers but they need a little more my man...

Here is a link because you cant figure it out and you think I just make shit up.

Father absence decimates black community in U.S. | Reuters


WOW the level of ignorance is astounding......according to this bozo men and women are exactally the same.....

 

[bodecea]

No, they have not.

So...what place does a father have the mother cannot fill in a child's life?

Most families I know, it's the mom who takes them to school, to sports, to events, helps them with homework, gives advice, etc.

What does the father do that is exclusive to fathers?

Are you serious about that? so single parent households are as good as two parent ones......if you dont know men and women are differnt, with different qualities and capabilities, then you really dont know much do ya?


PS do you know why the black community talks so much about male rolemodels and missing fathers? They have mothers but they need a little more my man...

Here is a link because you cant figure it out and you think I just make shit up.

Father absence decimates black community in U.S. | Reuters


WOW the level of ignorance is astounding......according to this bozo men and women are exactally the same.....

Again...what does the father do that is EXCLUSIVE to the father?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Marriage is between one man and one woman.....you shouldn't bring aboard anyone else.....

why do you call parents "units"....?

Marriage is between two equal partners, and in no way excludes same-sex couples:

As states moved to recognize the
equality of the sexes, they eliminated laws and practices like
coverture that had made gender a proxy for a spouse’s role within a
marriage. FF 26-27, 32. Marriage was thus transformed from a
male-dominated institution into an institution recognizing men and
women as equals. Id. Yet, individuals retained the right to
marry; that right did not become different simply because the
institution of marriage became compatible with gender equality.

The evidence did not show any historical purpose for
excluding same-sex couples from marriage, as states have never
required spouses to have an ability or willingness to procreate in
order to marry. FF 21. Rather, the exclusion exists as an
artifact of a time when the genders were seen as having distinct
roles in society and in marriage. That time has passed.

Today, gender is not
relevant to the state in determining spouses’ obligations to each
other and to their dependents. Relative gender composition aside,
same-sex couples are situated identically to opposite-sex couples
in terms of their ability to perform the rights and obligations of
marriage under California law. FF 48. Gender no longer forms an
essential part of marriage; marriage under law is a union of
equals.

Hollingsworth v. Perry

"gender is not relevant to the state"......?

so what's next on the list of things 'not relevant' to the STATE.....? age? number? other 'sexual orientations'....?

this is simply the unleashing of unnatural secular RELATIVISM....

Nothing is being ‘unleashed,’ rather, acknowledged.

Same-sex couples have always had the right to access marriage law, even though only realized today; interracial couples have always had the right to access marriage law, that was true long before 1967; and African-American children have always had the right to go to school with white children, that was also the case centuries before 1954.

Nothing is being ‘unleashed,’ ‘changed,’ or ‘redefined,’ as the right of equal protection of the law is inalienable, it can be neither given nor taken by any government, constitution, or man.