Which "side" of the "fence" are you on?

[eddiew37]

Not the only but we'd agree it was the fundamental reason. The cornerstone reason. That the south thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery and the North's (and with Lincoln in office, now the Federal Governments) opposition to that institution was far and away the primary reason.

I mean you read some of those minutes when states were debating secession, the survival of slavery was the topic.


As for someone saying something stupid at work, that's one thing. If they intentionally say something offensive on a media platform, I don't think a company should have to support that person. Your decisions are yours, but so are the consequences of those decisions and words. I can't sit there and say "it's good Kaepernick is out of a job for sitting during the national anthem, but that bakery that won't bake cakes for a gay wedding should never have been outed".

well it's stupid to force one bakery to bake those cakes but not another viewpoints. you either force this or you don't. as far as i'm concerned you have the right to open up any business you want and let the market determine if you succeed or fail.

how do you deny a customer that's shopping in your store ? can we deny blacks ,whites, ?I'm old enough to remember white only drinking fountains in Ga....and bathrooms for white males and females but just one for blacks I think if those alt right people had their way we'd go back to those bad ol days

Bakers Refused to Make Pro-Trump Birthday Cake for 9-Year-Old Trump Superfan

you'll need to ask those people, i suppose. those likely are the type who threw a fit cause they didn't want to make gay-cakes but it's ok to not make a trump cake for a 9 year old kid.

and i suppose you can put up a "no blacks" sign and see how far that goes. i know i'd not shop there and this would be why. if a bakery openly said "no gays" id likely look for another one. the market will decide and if people want to stay in business they'll stop banning segments they don't personally like because it kills their own "american dream".

but i see all the time where police and military are not allowed in places - how can this be allowed?

it sucks and yes, i do fully understand your point and not 100% sold on my own just because i'd hate to see us "regress" in key areas of these things. however, is it a success if you force someone into a behavior vs. let them learn on their own?

never a success if you force someone,,,,,meanwhile I'm waiting for trump to be more explicit than implicit about those Nazis yesterday

this is stupid.

he condemned people leading off with hate. ALL FREAKING PEOPLE.

yet the left only sees that he didn't tell the white assholes they are in fact, assholes.

is the hate from the anti-fa any better? is KILL PIGS NOW ok?

it's just that no matter what trump says or does the left ensure there is an issue with it. period.

and that is bullshit for him as it would be for obama, hillary or any one of us.

it wasn't just the left it was people from his own party that found his words less than what a real leaders should be

 

[PredFan]

When USA Today comes out hard against the president you know that some realize just how deplorable Trump and his supporters are.

'To elevate Trump’s deplorable, evil fringe as equal to the rest of us united was extraordinary for a U.S. president — and nothing short of vile.'
Trump's Charlottesville disgrace: White supremacists aren't just another 'side'

Donald Trump has a sickening fetish for cruelty

"Passionate hatred can give meaning and purpose to an empty life. Thus people haunted by the purposelessness of their lives try to find a new content not only by dedicating themselves to a holy cause but also by nursing a fanatical grievance." Eric Hoffer
.

Really? USA Today is, and has always been, a far left publication.

 

[martybegan]

Die, please.

You are a terrible human being

Only when it comes to certain people, and JoeDouche is one of them.

 

[AntonToo]

Die, please.

You are a terrible human being

Only when it comes to certain people, and JoeDouche is one of them.

yep, that's what terrible people say to justify their terrible words.

"I don't want all people to die..only some that I don't like"

 

[martybegan]

Die, please.

You are a terrible human being

Only when it comes to certain people, and JoeDouche is one of them.

yep, that's what terrible people say to justify their terrible words.

"I don't want all people to die..only some that I don't like"

JoeB wants whole groups of people to fuck off purely for their political and religious beliefs. I on the other hand save my vitriol for specific people and base it on their words and actions.

JoeB has earned every single ounce of my scorn, and the scorn of several others on this board. I am calling him out for his own beliefs and words.

I would call him out for his actions, but he doesn't have the balls to go after people he doesn't like as an individual, he lets government do his fighting for him.

 

[Tresha91203]

This latest incident violent incident in Charlottesville is once again illustrating how our divisions are increasing, and how the "sides" of the "fence" are becoming more clear.

On one side of the fence, we have the people who appear to think they're "accomplishing" something by screaming at, verbally attacking, insulting, blaming, and now, finally, physically attacking and even KILLING those who dare to disagree with them. Attack, attack, attack, no matter what.

Their political affiliations are irrelevant, because their behaviors are so similar. They would much rather scream than communicate. They would much rather attack than heal. They would much rather "beat" those who dare to disagree than find a way to co-exist with them like normal, well-adjusted adults.

On the other side of the fence is the majority of the country, those who know that the only way to solve problems is to communicate and cooperate. That you're not always going to get your way. That sometimes you have to be a little humble, check your ego, and respect differing opinions. And that -- horror of horrors -- you may actually be wrong about something now and then.

So, which side of the fence are you on?
.

But these people probably feel as though they discuss things till their blue in the face and no one gives a damn.

It seems to me that the spark to this rally was the destruction of a war memorial for General Lee. I think they felt like their history was being erased, because the government is trying to erase their white race and all history associated with them and they feel powerless to stop it.

Then on the other side of the coin you have BLM whose lives had gotten even worse under Obama. To top things off, the DNC e-mails revealed that the DNC views BLM as more of a terrorist group and have no intentions of helping them whatsoever.

So here we have two really pissed off groups without representation in government. They can talk all they want but no one gives a damn about any of them. Instead, they will all just wind up on some secret terrorist list that Homeland Security will keep track of and be labeled enemies of the state.

IMO, the extremists (in action, not thought) of both sides ARE enemies of the state. Lawful expression of opinions, however vile, is protected. Violence is not. Arrest the violent lawbreakers of both sides so normal people can work out a solution. Protect us from both sides' criminals.

The much tougher part is finding a way to culturally marginalize the zealots.

They're not going to stop acting like this, so it's up to the majority to stop giving them attention and influence.
.

We're screwed then. If it bleeds, it leads and all.

 

[JoeB131]

You are a terrible human being. Die, please.

you're wishing death on people and you are calling someone else "Terrible"? Really?

The side of the fence where we all get together and hold hands while singing Kum-Ba-Ya is what we on the right have been trying to do for decades.

Really? What decades were those? Because they certainly aren't this decade where you all lost your shit over the black guy in the White House. It wasn't the previous decade where your president said, "YOu are with us or with the terrorists". It wasn't the decade before that when you tried to impeach an elected president over a blow job.

 

[JoeB131]

I would call him out for his actions, but he doesn't have the balls to go after people he doesn't like as an individual, he lets government do his fighting for him.

Well, I call that a living in a civilized society. As long as I can't hunt down the people I don't like, they shouldn't be able to abuse anyone else because they have money and power.

It actually, you know, sounds fair.

Really? USA Today is, and has always been, a far left publication.

Since when?

 

[iceberg]

well it's stupid to force one bakery to bake those cakes but not another viewpoints. you either force this or you don't. as far as i'm concerned you have the right to open up any business you want and let the market determine if you succeed or fail.

how do you deny a customer that's shopping in your store ? can we deny blacks ,whites, ?I'm old enough to remember white only drinking fountains in Ga....and bathrooms for white males and females but just one for blacks I think if those alt right people had their way we'd go back to those bad ol days

Bakers Refused to Make Pro-Trump Birthday Cake for 9-Year-Old Trump Superfan

you'll need to ask those people, i suppose. those likely are the type who threw a fit cause they didn't want to make gay-cakes but it's ok to not make a trump cake for a 9 year old kid.

and i suppose you can put up a "no blacks" sign and see how far that goes. i know i'd not shop there and this would be why. if a bakery openly said "no gays" id likely look for another one. the market will decide and if people want to stay in business they'll stop banning segments they don't personally like because it kills their own "american dream".

but i see all the time where police and military are not allowed in places - how can this be allowed?

it sucks and yes, i do fully understand your point and not 100% sold on my own just because i'd hate to see us "regress" in key areas of these things. however, is it a success if you force someone into a behavior vs. let them learn on their own?

never a success if you force someone,,,,,meanwhile I'm waiting for trump to be more explicit than implicit about those Nazis yesterday

this is stupid.

he condemned people leading off with hate. ALL FREAKING PEOPLE.

yet the left only sees that he didn't tell the white assholes they are in fact, assholes.

is the hate from the anti-fa any better? is KILL PIGS NOW ok?

it's just that no matter what trump says or does the left ensure there is an issue with it. period.

and that is bullshit for him as it would be for obama, hillary or any one of us.

it wasn't just the left it was people from his own party that found his words less than what a real leaders should be

they've been doing that since day 1. they're trying to appease their base also.

i didn't find what trump initially said troubling. he condemned hate and acting upon it in the manner in which both sides did.

go ahead and tell me how that is wrong.

 

[LoneLaugher]

‘The alt-right is a terrorist movement’: Ex-Bush ethics czar blasts Trump administration’s support of racists

Stephen Bannon: Donald Trump Hire Has Ties to Alt-Right | Time.com
The alt-right supported Trump. Now its members want him to satisfy
Donald Trump's alt-right administration has shady foreign ties

so is the far left....

Name the far left members of this forum please. Thanks.

dean,tiger,billy,jones,jim,lakota and matt......just to name a few.....

They promote violence?

 

[martybegan]

You are a terrible human being. Die, please.

you're wishing death on people and you are calling someone else "Terrible"? Really?

The side of the fence where we all get together and hold hands while singing Kum-Ba-Ya is what we on the right have been trying to do for decades.

Really? What decades were those? Because they certainly aren't this decade where you all lost your shit over the black guy in the White House. It wasn't the previous decade where your president said, "YOu are with us or with the terrorists". It wasn't the decade before that when you tried to impeach an elected president over a blow job.

Not on a people, a person, you.

 

[martybegan]

I would call him out for his actions, but he doesn't have the balls to go after people he doesn't like as an individual, he lets government do his fighting for him.

Well, I call that a living in a civilized society. As long as I can't hunt down the people I don't like, they shouldn't be able to abuse anyone else because they have money and power.

It actually, you know, sounds fair.

Really? USA Today is, and has always been, a far left publication.

Since when?

No, that's not a civilized society. Weaponizing government for political punishment is not civilized.

And more multi-posting you miserable hack.

 

[sartre play]

and that's a fair point. just from my own research while slavery was a big issue at the time, it was not the ONLY issue and a bigger issue of being told how to live was also a huge reason for this.

i see a lot of "you must live this way" going on today. this person said something unpopular, they must be ridiculed and fired from their job!!! you WILL accept this lifestyle and make them cakes!!! no, they don't have to make trump cakes, stop being silly...

there's a shitton of stupid going on these days also that in the end is based on so little respect for another person and LOOKING for reasons to hold them down, keep them back, insult them and the like.

*we* need to be better than this and part of that is looking for where we agree moreso than where we don't.

Not the only but we'd agree it was the fundamental reason. The cornerstone reason. That the south thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery and the North's (and with Lincoln in office, now the Federal Governments) opposition to that institution was far and away the primary reason.

I mean you read some of those minutes when states were debating secession, the survival of slavery was the topic.


As for someone saying something stupid at work, that's one thing. If they intentionally say something offensive on a media platform, I don't think a company should have to support that person. Your decisions are yours, but so are the consequences of those decisions and words. I can't sit there and say "it's good Kaepernick is out of a job for sitting during the national anthem, but that bakery that won't bake cakes for a gay wedding should never have been outed".

well it's stupid to force one bakery to bake those cakes but not another viewpoints. you either force this or you don't. as far as i'm concerned you have the right to open up any business you want and let the market determine if you succeed or fail.

how do you deny a customer that's shopping in your store ? can we deny blacks ,whites, ?I'm old enough to remember white only drinking fountains in Ga....and bathrooms for white males and females but just one for blacks I think if those alt right people had their way we'd go back to those bad ol days

Me to, the 1st time I went to New Orleans & saw the big yellow line in the hotel lobby in front of the drinking fount that said white only. race bias was hidden in my state.

 

[JoeB131]

No, that's not a civilized society. Weaponizing government for political punishment is not civilized.

Uh, dude, that's the definition of government. You're just upset that it's being "weaponized" against your white male privilege instead of for it.

Me to, the 1st time I went to New Orleans & saw the big yellow line in the hotel lobby in front of the drinking fount that said white only. race bias was hidden in my state.

Shhhh... Marty thinks that was done for "Economic " reasons.

 

[Bush92]

This latest incident violent incident in Charlottesville is once again illustrating how our divisions are increasing, and how the "sides" of the "fence" are becoming more clear.

On one side of the fence, we have the people who appear to think they're "accomplishing" something by screaming at, verbally attacking, insulting, blaming, and now, finally, physically attacking and even KILLING those who dare to disagree with them. Attack, attack, attack, no matter what.

Their political affiliations are irrelevant, because their behaviors are so similar. They would much rather scream than communicate. They would much rather attack than heal. They would much rather "beat" those who dare to disagree than find a way to co-exist with them like normal, well-adjusted adults.

On the other side of the fence is the majority of the country, those who know that the only way to solve problems is to communicate and cooperate. That you're not always going to get your way. That sometimes you have to be a little humble, check your ego, and respect differing opinions. And that -- horror of horrors -- you may actually be wrong about something now and then.

So, which side of the fence are you on?
.

Far right...and armed.

 

[eddiew37]

how do you deny a customer that's shopping in your store ? can we deny blacks ,whites, ?I'm old enough to remember white only drinking fountains in Ga....and bathrooms for white males and females but just one for blacks I think if those alt right people had their way we'd go back to those bad ol days

Bakers Refused to Make Pro-Trump Birthday Cake for 9-Year-Old Trump Superfan

you'll need to ask those people, i suppose. those likely are the type who threw a fit cause they didn't want to make gay-cakes but it's ok to not make a trump cake for a 9 year old kid.

and i suppose you can put up a "no blacks" sign and see how far that goes. i know i'd not shop there and this would be why. if a bakery openly said "no gays" id likely look for another one. the market will decide and if people want to stay in business they'll stop banning segments they don't personally like because it kills their own "american dream".

but i see all the time where police and military are not allowed in places - how can this be allowed?

it sucks and yes, i do fully understand your point and not 100% sold on my own just because i'd hate to see us "regress" in key areas of these things. however, is it a success if you force someone into a behavior vs. let them learn on their own?

never a success if you force someone,,,,,meanwhile I'm waiting for trump to be more explicit than implicit about those Nazis yesterday

this is stupid.

he condemned people leading off with hate. ALL FREAKING PEOPLE.

yet the left only sees that he didn't tell the white assholes they are in fact, assholes.

is the hate from the anti-fa any better? is KILL PIGS NOW ok?

it's just that no matter what trump says or does the left ensure there is an issue with it. period.

and that is bullshit for him as it would be for obama, hillary or any one of us.

it wasn't just the left it was people from his own party that found his words less than what a real leaders should be

they've been doing that since day 1. they're trying to appease their base also.

i didn't find what trump initially said troubling. he condemned hate and acting upon it in the manner in which both sides did.

go ahead and tell me how that is wrong.

it wasn't wrong but imho he didn't go far enough and the ceo of mrk thought the same and stepped down

 

[iceberg]

Bakers Refused to Make Pro-Trump Birthday Cake for 9-Year-Old Trump Superfan

you'll need to ask those people, i suppose. those likely are the type who threw a fit cause they didn't want to make gay-cakes but it's ok to not make a trump cake for a 9 year old kid.

and i suppose you can put up a "no blacks" sign and see how far that goes. i know i'd not shop there and this would be why. if a bakery openly said "no gays" id likely look for another one. the market will decide and if people want to stay in business they'll stop banning segments they don't personally like because it kills their own "american dream".

but i see all the time where police and military are not allowed in places - how can this be allowed?

it sucks and yes, i do fully understand your point and not 100% sold on my own just because i'd hate to see us "regress" in key areas of these things. however, is it a success if you force someone into a behavior vs. let them learn on their own?

never a success if you force someone,,,,,meanwhile I'm waiting for trump to be more explicit than implicit about those Nazis yesterday

this is stupid.

he condemned people leading off with hate. ALL FREAKING PEOPLE.

yet the left only sees that he didn't tell the white assholes they are in fact, assholes.

is the hate from the anti-fa any better? is KILL PIGS NOW ok?

it's just that no matter what trump says or does the left ensure there is an issue with it. period.

and that is bullshit for him as it would be for obama, hillary or any one of us.

it wasn't just the left it was people from his own party that found his words less than what a real leaders should be

they've been doing that since day 1. they're trying to appease their base also.

i didn't find what trump initially said troubling. he condemned hate and acting upon it in the manner in which both sides did.

go ahead and tell me how that is wrong.

it wasn't wrong but imho he didn't go far enough and the ceo of mrk thought the same and stepped down

maybe.

except the left has been demonizing trumps every move since day 1. even before.

when you cry wolf so much it confuses people as to when you mean it. if he didn't go far enough, what else could he have said? he called out both groups and both groups deserved it.

antifa should never have been allowed near that rally. you know what's going to happen and it's not because they're full of love and understanding either. they have their own recent history of MY WAY OR SHUT UP and looking for violence. that needs to stop.

white nationalism needs to stop.

hate, needs to stop.

he called out hate and people are mad it would seem he meant them too.

 

[eddiew37]

never a success if you force someone,,,,,meanwhile I'm waiting for trump to be more explicit than implicit about those Nazis yesterday

this is stupid.

he condemned people leading off with hate. ALL FREAKING PEOPLE.

yet the left only sees that he didn't tell the white assholes they are in fact, assholes.

is the hate from the anti-fa any better? is KILL PIGS NOW ok?

it's just that no matter what trump says or does the left ensure there is an issue with it. period.

and that is bullshit for him as it would be for obama, hillary or any one of us.

it wasn't just the left it was people from his own party that found his words less than what a real leaders should be

they've been doing that since day 1. they're trying to appease their base also.

i didn't find what trump initially said troubling. he condemned hate and acting upon it in the manner in which both sides did.

go ahead and tell me how that is wrong.

it wasn't wrong but imho he didn't go far enough and the ceo of mrk thought the same and stepped down

maybe.

except the left has been demonizing trumps every move since day 1. even before.

when you cry wolf so much it confuses people as to when you mean it. if he didn't go far enough, what else could he have said? he called out both groups and both groups deserved it.

antifa should never have been allowed near that rally. you know what's going to happen and it's not because they're full of love and understanding either. they have their own recent history of MY WAY OR SHUT UP and looking for violence. that needs to stop.

white nationalism needs to stop.

hate, needs to stop.

he called out hate and people are mad it would seem he meant them too.

yes he did BUT he had no problem calling out Muslim hate Very explicit doing that

 

[eddiew37]

this is stupid.

he condemned people leading off with hate. ALL FREAKING PEOPLE.

yet the left only sees that he didn't tell the white assholes they are in fact, assholes.

is the hate from the anti-fa any better? is KILL PIGS NOW ok?

it's just that no matter what trump says or does the left ensure there is an issue with it. period.

and that is bullshit for him as it would be for obama, hillary or any one of us.

it wasn't just the left it was people from his own party that found his words less than what a real leaders should be

they've been doing that since day 1. they're trying to appease their base also.

i didn't find what trump initially said troubling. he condemned hate and acting upon it in the manner in which both sides did.

go ahead and tell me how that is wrong.

it wasn't wrong but imho he didn't go far enough and the ceo of mrk thought the same and stepped down

maybe.

except the left has been demonizing trumps every move since day 1. even before.

when you cry wolf so much it confuses people as to when you mean it. if he didn't go far enough, what else could he have said? he called out both groups and both groups deserved it.

antifa should never have been allowed near that rally. you know what's going to happen and it's not because they're full of love and understanding either. they have their own recent history of MY WAY OR SHUT UP and looking for violence. that needs to stop.

white nationalism needs to stop.

hate, needs to stop.

he called out hate and people are mad it would seem he meant them too.

yes he did BUT he had no problem calling out Muslim hate Very explicit doing that

what was his problem in calling out nazi hate?

 

[eddiew37]

maybe when you have guys like bannon and miller in your wh you don't want to offend them?