Who and/or What Are Establishment Republicans?

[ninja007]

Is there a difference between "Establishment Republicans" and "RINOs", if so, what is it?

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Not much of a difference.

So then why not just stick with "RINO? And am I to understand that the media holds the same definition you do when they use the term "Establishment Republican"?

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progressive why not just stick with the term liberal?

climate change- why not stick with global warming?

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"Who and/or What Are Establishment Republicans?"

Republicans interested in pursuing sound, responsible governance and public policy.

Republicans who are pragmatists and don't adhere blindly to failed conservative dogma.

Republicans who reject the wrongheaded extremism of the social right, TPM, and libertarian reactionaries.

Republicans who place country before party, doing what's in the best interest of America.

Unfortunately such republicans have lost control of their party, and are unwilling or unable to take it back from the social right and other ridiculous extremists, or simply lack the courage to try.

 

[dcraelin]

Starkey is an Establishment Republican, which is to say he unites with the Democrats to destroy the USA

I thought you guys have been swearing that Starkey isn't, and never was, a Republican. What changed?

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That's what I mean, for all intents and purposes, an Establishment Republican is a progressive

no no no, Establishment Republican is one who despises his constituents. A Cobb county Republican, who runs and wins on being fiscally responsible but ends up giving a massive handout to billionaires for a sports stadium.

in short .... a liar

A billionaire that wants to build a sports stadium that will bring money to Cobb County is bad, but a billionaire that wants to build a solar panel factory that has already determined not to be
a good risk is good.

Liberal fat cats good. Conservative fat cats bad..... OK Got ya.

it wont bring money to Cobb county ......many studies have shown they are neutral if not negative on economic development.....but thats not really the point.....these hick Cobb county Republicans likely ran on free market principles...so they are being hypocrites and liars.

Democrats who support funding of projects like the solar panel factory at least arent being hypocrites, they likely ran to do just that. I do have some problems with that too but it is more justifiable, and from what I understand it was loans not outright gifts.

 

[guno]

This seems to be the hot term these days, but can anyone define it?

If so, please do.

Also, who are the Establishment Republicans in office? How about in the media? Can we get some names?

Establishment Republicans are moderate/centrist legislators who have all too often sided with Liberal Democrats rather than standing for Conservative ideals. The term is similar to RINO and means close to the aame thing.

The vast majority, anf almost entirety of the non-Tea Party Republican majority in Washington meet these criteria.

So, essentially, people with some sense and willingness to compromise for the sake of the country as a whole. What demons.

Compromise that leads to the destruction of the way of life I hold dear is no virtue.

 

[Misty]

Establishment Republicans are moderate/centrist legislators who have all too often sided with Liberal Democrats rather than standing for Conservative ideals. The term is similar to RINO and means close to the aame thing.

The vast majority, anf almost entirety of the non-Tea Party Republican majority in Washington meet these criteria.

So, essentially, people with some sense and willingness to compromise for the sake of the country as a whole. What demons.

There is problem your statement. Republicans are always the ones compromising. Democrats never compromise. It's BS.

How long have you been challenged by reality (since your first brainwash, I suppose)?

Fuck you. I'm not stupid so if that's all you have to say just ignore me and move on to call the next person stupid.

I'm not willfully ignorant, so I won't ignore you. I don't ignore Stephanie or CrusaderFrank or the other dozen or so others whose ignorance - some willful, others congenital - provide humor and on going evidence of the foolishness that hoi polloi conservatives believe.

Calling someone stupid is lame. Mitch McConnell has spent more money as house speaker than Harry Reid. That's over compromising. And not in a conservative way.

 

[Ernie S.]

Starkey is an Establishment Republican, which is to say he unites with the Democrats to destroy the USA

I thought you guys have been swearing that Starkey isn't, and never was, a Republican. What changed?

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That's what I mean, for all intents and purposes, an Establishment Republican is a progressive

no no no, Establishment Republican is one who despises his constituents. A Cobb county Republican, who runs and wins on being fiscally responsible but ends up giving a massive handout to billionaires for a sports stadium.

in short .... a liar

A billionaire that wants to build a sports stadium that will bring money to Cobb County is bad, but a billionaire that wants to build a solar panel factory that has already determined not to be
a good risk is good.

Liberal fat cats good. Conservative fat cats bad..... OK Got ya.

it wont bring money to Cobb county ......many studies have shown they are neutral if not negative on economic development.....but thats not really the point.....these hick Cobb county Republicans likely ran on free market principles...so they are being hypocrites and liars.

Democrats who support funding of projects like the solar panel factory at least arent being hypocrites, they likely ran to do just that. I do have some problems with that too but it is more justifiable, and from what I understand it was loans not outright gifts.

In several cases, it was loans that were defaulted on when companies went bankrupt after principals donated heavily to barack obama.
So, was the purpose of department of Energy loans to Solyndra an investment in "green energy" or an investment in a political campaign.

And you call Republicans hypocrites.... The argument is occasionally valid, but Democrats are always thieves.

 

[dcraelin]

I thought you guys have been swearing that Starkey isn't, and never was, a Republican. What changed?

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That's what I mean, for all intents and purposes, an Establishment Republican is a progressive

no no no, Establishment Republican is one who despises his constituents. A Cobb county Republican, who runs and wins on being fiscally responsible but ends up giving a massive handout to billionaires for a sports stadium.

in short .... a liar

A billionaire that wants to build a sports stadium that will bring money to Cobb County is bad, but a billionaire that wants to build a solar panel factory that has already determined not to be
a good risk is good.

Liberal fat cats good. Conservative fat cats bad..... OK Got ya.

it wont bring money to Cobb county ......many studies have shown they are neutral if not negative on economic development.....but thats not really the point.....these hick Cobb county Republicans likely ran on free market principles...so they are being hypocrites and liars.

Democrats who support funding of projects like the solar panel factory at least arent being hypocrites, they likely ran to do just that. I do have some problems with that too but it is more justifiable, and from what I understand it was loans not outright gifts.

In several cases, it was loans that were defaulted on when companies went bankrupt after principals donated heavily to barack obama.
So, was the purpose of department of Energy loans to Solyndra an investment in "green energy" or an investment in a political campaign.

And you call Republicans hypocrites.... The argument is occasionally valid, but Democrats are always thieves.

Youve got a point on green energy or donation to campaign

you dont on "democrats are always thieves"

but from what I can tell in congress virtually every republican is a liar and hypocrite

 

[Manonthestreet]

“Nineteen times in the last ten months this so-called Republican majority has passed legislation, has had a vote succeed where a majority of Democrats supported it and a majority of Republicans opposed it,” Cruz added.

Cruz said that Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., “has proven to be a very effective Democratic leader.”

“Is this not a curious state of affairs? Why is a Republican majority leader fighting to accomplish the priorities of the Democratic minority?” Cruz: McConnell ‘Very Effective Democratic Leader’

 

[Wry Catcher]

So, essentially, people with some sense and willingness to compromise for the sake of the country as a whole. What demons.

There is problem your statement. Republicans are always the ones compromising. Democrats never compromise. It's BS.

How long have you been challenged by reality (since your first brainwash, I suppose)?

Fuck you. I'm not stupid so if that's all you have to say just ignore me and move on to call the next person stupid.

I'm not willfully ignorant, so I won't ignore you. I don't ignore Stephanie or CrusaderFrank or the other dozen or so others whose ignorance - some willful, others congenital - provide humor and on going evidence of the foolishness that hoi polloi conservatives believe.

Calling someone stupid is lame. Mitch McConnell has spent more money as house speaker than Harry Reid. That's over compromising. And not in a conservative way.

McConnell is in the Senate as is Harry Reid. That's ignorance, not stupidity. We all have areas of knowledge of which we are ignorant; one expects some understanding of politics, history and civics from those who post on this message board.

 

[Ernie S.]

That's what I mean, for all intents and purposes, an Establishment Republican is a progressive

no no no, Establishment Republican is one who despises his constituents. A Cobb county Republican, who runs and wins on being fiscally responsible but ends up giving a massive handout to billionaires for a sports stadium.

in short .... a liar

A billionaire that wants to build a sports stadium that will bring money to Cobb County is bad, but a billionaire that wants to build a solar panel factory that has already determined not to be
a good risk is good.

Liberal fat cats good. Conservative fat cats bad..... OK Got ya.

it wont bring money to Cobb county ......many studies have shown they are neutral if not negative on economic development.....but thats not really the point.....these hick Cobb county Republicans likely ran on free market principles...so they are being hypocrites and liars.

Democrats who support funding of projects like the solar panel factory at least arent being hypocrites, they likely ran to do just that. I do have some problems with that too but it is more justifiable, and from what I understand it was loans not outright gifts.

In several cases, it was loans that were defaulted on when companies went bankrupt after principals donated heavily to barack obama.
So, was the purpose of department of Energy loans to Solyndra an investment in "green energy" or an investment in a political campaign.

And you call Republicans hypocrites.... The argument is occasionally valid, but Democrats are always thieves.

Youve got a point on green energy or donation to campaign

you dont on "democrats are always thieves"

but from what I can tell in congress virtually every republican is a liar and hypocrite

Point out one democrat, with the possible exception of Jimmy Carter, who is not a thief.

 

[Ernie S.]

There is problem your statement. Republicans are always the ones compromising. Democrats never compromise. It's BS.

How long have you been challenged by reality (since your first brainwash, I suppose)?

Fuck you. I'm not stupid so if that's all you have to say just ignore me and move on to call the next person stupid.

I'm not willfully ignorant, so I won't ignore you. I don't ignore Stephanie or CrusaderFrank or the other dozen or so others whose ignorance - some willful, others congenital - provide humor and on going evidence of the foolishness that hoi polloi conservatives believe.

Calling someone stupid is lame. Mitch McConnell has spent more money as house speaker than Harry Reid. That's over compromising. And not in a conservative way.

McConnell is in the Senate as is Harry Reid. That's ignorance, not stupidity. We all have areas of knowledge of which we are ignorant; one expects some understanding of politics, history and civics from those who post on this message board.

Why then do you come here?

 

[Wry Catcher]

How long have you been challenged by reality (since your first brainwash, I suppose)?

Fuck you. I'm not stupid so if that's all you have to say just ignore me and move on to call the next person stupid.

I'm not willfully ignorant, so I won't ignore you. I don't ignore Stephanie or CrusaderFrank or the other dozen or so others whose ignorance - some willful, others congenital - provide humor and on going evidence of the foolishness that hoi polloi conservatives believe.

Calling someone stupid is lame. Mitch McConnell has spent more money as house speaker than Harry Reid. That's over compromising. And not in a conservative way.

McConnell is in the Senate as is Harry Reid. That's ignorance, not stupidity. We all have areas of knowledge of which we are ignorant; one expects some understanding of politics, history and civics from those who post on this message board.

Why then do you come here?

I come here to get my daily dose of confidence in my mental acuity confirmed; reading posts by you and other numb skulls makes me feel like a one-eyed man in a world of the blind.

 

[ScienceRocks]

They're republicans that keep the government running and invest in America.

The anarchist hate them because they hate government.

 

[Wry Catcher]

They're republicans that keep the government running and invest in America.

The anarchist hate them because they hate government.

Democrats invest in America too. I'm pretty sure anarchists aren't members of the D or R party - they are far far left and far far right and thus members of the idiot fringe, those who believe laws should restrict others but never themselves.

 

[whitehall]

Democrats freely used Richard Nixon's middle name "Millhaus" in everything from political handouts to a freaking movie called "Milhaus" promoted by Hollywood radicals. Fair enough but when it came to John McCain's turn to run for president he forbade his people to use Barry Hussein Obama 's middle name. That's an example of "establishment republicans".

 

[dcraelin]

no no no, Establishment Republican is one who despises his constituents. A Cobb county Republican, who runs and wins on being fiscally responsible but ends up giving a massive handout to billionaires for a sports stadium.

in short .... a liar

A billionaire that wants to build a sports stadium that will bring money to Cobb County is bad, but a billionaire that wants to build a solar panel factory that has already determined not to be
a good risk is good.

Liberal fat cats good. Conservative fat cats bad..... OK Got ya.

it wont bring money to Cobb county ......many studies have shown they are neutral if not negative on economic development.....but thats not really the point.....these hick Cobb county Republicans likely ran on free market principles...so they are being hypocrites and liars.

Democrats who support funding of projects like the solar panel factory at least arent being hypocrites, they likely ran to do just that. I do have some problems with that too but it is more justifiable, and from what I understand it was loans not outright gifts.

In several cases, it was loans that were defaulted on when companies went bankrupt after principals donated heavily to barack obama.
So, was the purpose of department of Energy loans to Solyndra an investment in "green energy" or an investment in a political campaign.

And you call Republicans hypocrites.... The argument is occasionally valid, but Democrats are always thieves.

Youve got a point on green energy or donation to campaign

you dont on "democrats are always thieves"

but from what I can tell in congress virtually every republican is a liar and hypocrite

Point out one democrat, with the possible exception of Jimmy Carter, who is not a thief.

ridiculous question

 

[Toro]

"Establishment Republicans" are anyone who has an education and doesn't get swept up in the emotional populist issue of the day.

 

[Ernie S.]

Fuck you. I'm not stupid so if that's all you have to say just ignore me and move on to call the next person stupid.

I'm not willfully ignorant, so I won't ignore you. I don't ignore Stephanie or CrusaderFrank or the other dozen or so others whose ignorance - some willful, others congenital - provide humor and on going evidence of the foolishness that hoi polloi conservatives believe.

Calling someone stupid is lame. Mitch McConnell has spent more money as house speaker than Harry Reid. That's over compromising. And not in a conservative way.

McConnell is in the Senate as is Harry Reid. That's ignorance, not stupidity. We all have areas of knowledge of which we are ignorant; one expects some understanding of politics, history and civics from those who post on this message board.

Why then do you come here?

I come here to get my daily dose of confidence in my mental acuity confirmed; reading posts by you and other numb skulls makes me feel like a one-eyed man in a world of the blind.

You're naught but an arrogant asshole.
Everyone else knows that.

 

[Ernie S.]

A billionaire that wants to build a sports stadium that will bring money to Cobb County is bad, but a billionaire that wants to build a solar panel factory that has already determined not to be
a good risk is good.

Liberal fat cats good. Conservative fat cats bad..... OK Got ya.

it wont bring money to Cobb county ......many studies have shown they are neutral if not negative on economic development.....but thats not really the point.....these hick Cobb county Republicans likely ran on free market principles...so they are being hypocrites and liars.

Democrats who support funding of projects like the solar panel factory at least arent being hypocrites, they likely ran to do just that. I do have some problems with that too but it is more justifiable, and from what I understand it was loans not outright gifts.

In several cases, it was loans that were defaulted on when companies went bankrupt after principals donated heavily to barack obama.
So, was the purpose of department of Energy loans to Solyndra an investment in "green energy" or an investment in a political campaign.

And you call Republicans hypocrites.... The argument is occasionally valid, but Democrats are always thieves.

Youve got a point on green energy or donation to campaign

you dont on "democrats are always thieves"

but from what I can tell in congress virtually every republican is a liar and hypocrite

Point out one democrat, with the possible exception of Jimmy Carter, who is not a thief.

ridiculous question

Ridiculous because you don't want to answer.

 

[Delta4Embassy]

This seems to be the hot term these days, but can anyone define it?

If so, please do.

Also, who are the Establishment Republicans in office? How about in the media? Can we get some names?

Finally, do we have any local Establishment Republicans here on USMB, self-proclaimed or otherwise?

I'm looking for some clarity here.

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Means anyone who after having served 1 term and seen how the sausage is made thinks they wants them some more of that and goes for a 2nd helping.