Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore,
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/opinion/who-are-the-real-heirs-of-zionism.html?_r=0
"Zionism" was not invented. In this discussion group, there are pro-Zionist and anti-Zionist. It is an evolving, but fading philosophy, first brought forward by Nathan Birnbaum (≈ 1890). Zionism alla Birnbaum was somewhat ideologically different from the "Zionism" which Theodor Herzl would come to promote. And we can see the gradual evolutionary processes in Zionism even today; including the politicalization of "Zionism." Herzl moved "Zionism" to the next level in the mid-1890s, with the establishment of the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a funding stream and the practical application of "zionism." With the next major leap for "zionism" was the moving to Jewish Corporate based system. Since the declaration of Israel, "zionism" went through an evolutionary change yet again -- although it almost went unnoticed. More enlightened then before the adoption of the Partition Plan, the "Zionist" component of Jewish national development became focused on issue of peace and security --- with the emphasis of a Defense Force and government that was more secular in nature.

So what was the problem prior to the invention of Zionism in 1875 and the settler/colonialism prior to 1925 by arab muslims.

(COMMENT)

Yes, --- it must be understood that within the Jewish Community in both Europe and Palestine, with a major trigger in 1933 onward (the party inspired boycott of business, academic/scientific involvement, and professional practices), from which the Palestinians and Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) mimic from a page in the NAZI Playbook --- was not of one mind. There was a diversity in views as to what was happening, what was meant, and what to do about it. "Zionism" between 1933 and 1939, was not of a single mind, and would become much more concerned with the escape and evasion form the "Holocaust." It was more about survival than about the politics of the time. Zionism and the WZO would not become cohesive and symbiotic until the post-war era (a reconstruction period). There was a very interesting New York Times piece (Who Are the True Heirs of Zionism? By STEVEN ERLANGERFEB. 4, 2016) which talks of about the difference the different facets of "Zionism."

"Zionism" is the process, yet again, in making another leap in its evolution. We are not sure what the "New Zionist" are going to become; but it seems to focus on Peace and Security. Whatever you think the "Zionist" were --- or --- whatever you might think the "Zionist" are, I'm willing to bet they will become something different yet again.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore,
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/opinion/who-are-the-real-heirs-of-zionism.html?_r=0
"Zionism" was not invented. In this discussion group, there are pro-Zionist and anti-Zionist. It is an evolving, but fading philosophy, first brought forward by Nathan Birnbaum (≈ 1890). Zionism alla Birnbaum was somewhat ideologically different from the "Zionism" which Theodor Herzl would come to promote. And we can see the gradual evolutionary processes in Zionism even today; including the politicalization of "Zionism." Herzl moved "Zionism" to the next level in the mid-1890s, with the establishment of the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a funding stream and the practical application of "zionism." With the next major leap for "zionism" was the moving to Jewish Corporate based system. Since the declaration of Israel, "zionism" went through an evolutionary change yet again -- although it almost went unnoticed. More enlightened then before the adoption of the Partition Plan, the "Zionist" component of Jewish national development became focused on issue of peace and security --- with the emphasis of a Defense Force and government that was more secular in nature.

So what was the problem prior to the invention of Zionism in 1875 and the settler/colonialism prior to 1925 by arab muslims.

(COMMENT)

Yes, --- it must be understood that within the Jewish Community in both Europe and Palestine, with a major trigger in 1933 onward (the party inspired boycott of business, academic/scientific involvement, and professional practices), from which the Palestinians and Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) mimic from a page in the NAZI Playbook --- was not of one mind. There was a diversity in views as to what was happening, what was meant, and what to do about it. "Zionism" between 1933 and 1939, was not of a single mind, and would become much more concerned with the escape and evasion form the "Holocaust." It was more about survival than about the politics of the time. Zionism and the WZO would not become cohesive and symbiotic until the post-war era (a reconstruction period). There was a very interesting New York Times piece (Who Are the True Heirs of Zionism? By STEVEN ERLANGERFEB. 4, 2016) which talks of about the difference the different facets of "Zionism."

"Zionism" is the process, yet again, in making another leap in its evolution. We are not sure what the "New Zionist" are going to become; but it seems to focus on Peace and Security. Whatever you think the "Zionist" were --- or --- whatever you might think the "Zionist" are, I'm willing to bet they will become something different yet again.

Most Respectfully,
R

JERUSALEM — ZIONISM was never the gentlest of ideologies. The return of the Jewish people to their biblical homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty there have always carried within them the displacement of those already living on the land.

The Israeli general and politician Yigal Allon defined Zionism in 1975 as “the national liberation movement of a people exiled from its historic homeland and dispersed among the nations of the world.” Some years later, and more crudely, perhaps, another general and politician, Rehavam Ze’evi, a tough right-winger, said, “Zionism is in essence the Zionism of transfer,” adding, “If transfer is immoral, then all of Zionism is immoral.”​

BTW, transfer is a euphemism for kicking people out of their homes and stealing their land.

Of course that is the I/P conflict in a nutshell.

 

[Phoenall]

P F Tinmore,
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/opinion/who-are-the-real-heirs-of-zionism.html?_r=0
"Zionism" was not invented. In this discussion group, there are pro-Zionist and anti-Zionist. It is an evolving, but fading philosophy, first brought forward by Nathan Birnbaum (≈ 1890). Zionism alla Birnbaum was somewhat ideologically different from the "Zionism" which Theodor Herzl would come to promote. And we can see the gradual evolutionary processes in Zionism even today; including the politicalization of "Zionism." Herzl moved "Zionism" to the next level in the mid-1890s, with the establishment of the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a funding stream and the practical application of "zionism." With the next major leap for "zionism" was the moving to Jewish Corporate based system. Since the declaration of Israel, "zionism" went through an evolutionary change yet again -- although it almost went unnoticed. More enlightened then before the adoption of the Partition Plan, the "Zionist" component of Jewish national development became focused on issue of peace and security --- with the emphasis of a Defense Force and government that was more secular in nature.

So what was the problem prior to the invention of Zionism in 1875 and the settler/colonialism prior to 1925 by arab muslims.

(COMMENT)

Yes, --- it must be understood that within the Jewish Community in both Europe and Palestine, with a major trigger in 1933 onward (the party inspired boycott of business, academic/scientific involvement, and professional practices), from which the Palestinians and Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) mimic from a page in the NAZI Playbook --- was not of one mind. There was a diversity in views as to what was happening, what was meant, and what to do about it. "Zionism" between 1933 and 1939, was not of a single mind, and would become much more concerned with the escape and evasion form the "Holocaust." It was more about survival than about the politics of the time. Zionism and the WZO would not become cohesive and symbiotic until the post-war era (a reconstruction period). There was a very interesting New York Times piece (Who Are the True Heirs of Zionism? By STEVEN ERLANGERFEB. 4, 2016) which talks of about the difference the different facets of "Zionism."

"Zionism" is the process, yet again, in making another leap in its evolution. We are not sure what the "New Zionist" are going to become; but it seems to focus on Peace and Security. Whatever you think the "Zionist" were --- or --- whatever you might think the "Zionist" are, I'm willing to bet they will become something different yet again.

Most Respectfully,
R

JERUSALEM — ZIONISM was never the gentlest of ideologies. The return of the Jewish people to their biblical homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty there have always carried within them the displacement of those already living on the land.

The Israeli general and politician Yigal Allon defined Zionism in 1975 as “the national liberation movement of a people exiled from its historic homeland and dispersed among the nations of the world.” Some years later, and more crudely, perhaps, another general and politician, Rehavam Ze’evi, a tough right-winger, said, “Zionism is in essence the Zionism of transfer,” adding, “If transfer is immoral, then all of Zionism is immoral.”​

BTW, transfer is a euphemism for kicking people out of their homes and stealing their land.

Of course that is the I/P conflict in a nutshell.

Correct as the evidence proves the arab muslims are good at kicking people out of their homes and stealing their land. Over 1 million Jews were so treated in 1949 when the UN stepped in and stopped the Israelis from finishing the Job the arab muslims started

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore,
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/opinion/who-are-the-real-heirs-of-zionism.html?_r=0
"Zionism" was not invented. In this discussion group, there are pro-Zionist and anti-Zionist. It is an evolving, but fading philosophy, first brought forward by Nathan Birnbaum (≈ 1890). Zionism alla Birnbaum was somewhat ideologically different from the "Zionism" which Theodor Herzl would come to promote. And we can see the gradual evolutionary processes in Zionism even today; including the politicalization of "Zionism." Herzl moved "Zionism" to the next level in the mid-1890s, with the establishment of the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a funding stream and the practical application of "zionism." With the next major leap for "zionism" was the moving to Jewish Corporate based system. Since the declaration of Israel, "zionism" went through an evolutionary change yet again -- although it almost went unnoticed. More enlightened then before the adoption of the Partition Plan, the "Zionist" component of Jewish national development became focused on issue of peace and security --- with the emphasis of a Defense Force and government that was more secular in nature.

So what was the problem prior to the invention of Zionism in 1875 and the settler/colonialism prior to 1925 by arab muslims.

(COMMENT)

Yes, --- it must be understood that within the Jewish Community in both Europe and Palestine, with a major trigger in 1933 onward (the party inspired boycott of business, academic/scientific involvement, and professional practices), from which the Palestinians and Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) mimic from a page in the NAZI Playbook --- was not of one mind. There was a diversity in views as to what was happening, what was meant, and what to do about it. "Zionism" between 1933 and 1939, was not of a single mind, and would become much more concerned with the escape and evasion form the "Holocaust." It was more about survival than about the politics of the time. Zionism and the WZO would not become cohesive and symbiotic until the post-war era (a reconstruction period). There was a very interesting New York Times piece (Who Are the True Heirs of Zionism? By STEVEN ERLANGERFEB. 4, 2016) which talks of about the difference the different facets of "Zionism."

"Zionism" is the process, yet again, in making another leap in its evolution. We are not sure what the "New Zionist" are going to become; but it seems to focus on Peace and Security. Whatever you think the "Zionist" were --- or --- whatever you might think the "Zionist" are, I'm willing to bet they will become something different yet again.

Most Respectfully,
R

JERUSALEM — ZIONISM was never the gentlest of ideologies. The return of the Jewish people to their biblical homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty there have always carried within them the displacement of those already living on the land.

The Israeli general and politician Yigal Allon defined Zionism in 1975 as “the national liberation movement of a people exiled from its historic homeland and dispersed among the nations of the world.” Some years later, and more crudely, perhaps, another general and politician, Rehavam Ze’evi, a tough right-winger, said, “Zionism is in essence the Zionism of transfer,” adding, “If transfer is immoral, then all of Zionism is immoral.”​

BTW, transfer is a euphemism for kicking people out of their homes and stealing their land.

Of course that is the I/P conflict in a nutshell.

Correct as the evidence proves the arab muslims are good at kicking people out of their homes and stealing their land. Over 1 million Jews were so treated in 1949 when the UN stepped in and stopped the Israelis from finishing the Job the arab muslims started

Two separate and unrelated issues.

 

[Hossfly]

P F Tinmore,
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/opinion/who-are-the-real-heirs-of-zionism.html?_r=0
"Zionism" was not invented. In this discussion group, there are pro-Zionist and anti-Zionist. It is an evolving, but fading philosophy, first brought forward by Nathan Birnbaum (≈ 1890). Zionism alla Birnbaum was somewhat ideologically different from the "Zionism" which Theodor Herzl would come to promote. And we can see the gradual evolutionary processes in Zionism even today; including the politicalization of "Zionism." Herzl moved "Zionism" to the next level in the mid-1890s, with the establishment of the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a funding stream and the practical application of "zionism." With the next major leap for "zionism" was the moving to Jewish Corporate based system. Since the declaration of Israel, "zionism" went through an evolutionary change yet again -- although it almost went unnoticed. More enlightened then before the adoption of the Partition Plan, the "Zionist" component of Jewish national development became focused on issue of peace and security --- with the emphasis of a Defense Force and government that was more secular in nature.

So what was the problem prior to the invention of Zionism in 1875 and the settler/colonialism prior to 1925 by arab muslims.

(COMMENT)

Yes, --- it must be understood that within the Jewish Community in both Europe and Palestine, with a major trigger in 1933 onward (the party inspired boycott of business, academic/scientific involvement, and professional practices), from which the Palestinians and Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) mimic from a page in the NAZI Playbook --- was not of one mind. There was a diversity in views as to what was happening, what was meant, and what to do about it. "Zionism" between 1933 and 1939, was not of a single mind, and would become much more concerned with the escape and evasion form the "Holocaust." It was more about survival than about the politics of the time. Zionism and the WZO would not become cohesive and symbiotic until the post-war era (a reconstruction period). There was a very interesting New York Times piece (Who Are the True Heirs of Zionism? By STEVEN ERLANGERFEB. 4, 2016) which talks of about the difference the different facets of "Zionism."

"Zionism" is the process, yet again, in making another leap in its evolution. We are not sure what the "New Zionist" are going to become; but it seems to focus on Peace and Security. Whatever you think the "Zionist" were --- or --- whatever you might think the "Zionist" are, I'm willing to bet they will become something different yet again.

Most Respectfully,
R

JERUSALEM — ZIONISM was never the gentlest of ideologies. The return of the Jewish people to their biblical homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty there have always carried within them the displacement of those already living on the land.

The Israeli general and politician Yigal Allon defined Zionism in 1975 as “the national liberation movement of a people exiled from its historic homeland and dispersed among the nations of the world.” Some years later, and more crudely, perhaps, another general and politician, Rehavam Ze’evi, a tough right-winger, said, “Zionism is in essence the Zionism of transfer,” adding, “If transfer is immoral, then all of Zionism is immoral.”​

BTW, transfer is a euphemism for kicking people out of their homes and stealing their land.

Of course that is the I/P conflict in a nutshell.

Tinmore, Tinmore, Tinmore.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore,
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/opinion/who-are-the-real-heirs-of-zionism.html?_r=0
"Zionism" was not invented. In this discussion group, there are pro-Zionist and anti-Zionist. It is an evolving, but fading philosophy, first brought forward by Nathan Birnbaum (≈ 1890). Zionism alla Birnbaum was somewhat ideologically different from the "Zionism" which Theodor Herzl would come to promote. And we can see the gradual evolutionary processes in Zionism even today; including the politicalization of "Zionism." Herzl moved "Zionism" to the next level in the mid-1890s, with the establishment of the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a funding stream and the practical application of "zionism." With the next major leap for "zionism" was the moving to Jewish Corporate based system. Since the declaration of Israel, "zionism" went through an evolutionary change yet again -- although it almost went unnoticed. More enlightened then before the adoption of the Partition Plan, the "Zionist" component of Jewish national development became focused on issue of peace and security --- with the emphasis of a Defense Force and government that was more secular in nature.

So what was the problem prior to the invention of Zionism in 1875 and the settler/colonialism prior to 1925 by arab muslims.

(COMMENT)

Yes, --- it must be understood that within the Jewish Community in both Europe and Palestine, with a major trigger in 1933 onward (the party inspired boycott of business, academic/scientific involvement, and professional practices), from which the Palestinians and Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) mimic from a page in the NAZI Playbook --- was not of one mind. There was a diversity in views as to what was happening, what was meant, and what to do about it. "Zionism" between 1933 and 1939, was not of a single mind, and would become much more concerned with the escape and evasion form the "Holocaust." It was more about survival than about the politics of the time. Zionism and the WZO would not become cohesive and symbiotic until the post-war era (a reconstruction period). There was a very interesting New York Times piece (Who Are the True Heirs of Zionism? By STEVEN ERLANGERFEB. 4, 2016) which talks of about the difference the different facets of "Zionism."

"Zionism" is the process, yet again, in making another leap in its evolution. We are not sure what the "New Zionist" are going to become; but it seems to focus on Peace and Security. Whatever you think the "Zionist" were --- or --- whatever you might think the "Zionist" are, I'm willing to bet they will become something different yet again.

Most Respectfully,
R

JERUSALEM — ZIONISM was never the gentlest of ideologies. The return of the Jewish people to their biblical homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty there have always carried within them the displacement of those already living on the land.

The Israeli general and politician Yigal Allon defined Zionism in 1975 as “the national liberation movement of a people exiled from its historic homeland and dispersed among the nations of the world.” Some years later, and more crudely, perhaps, another general and politician, Rehavam Ze’evi, a tough right-winger, said, “Zionism is in essence the Zionism of transfer,” adding, “If transfer is immoral, then all of Zionism is immoral.”​

BTW, transfer is a euphemism for kicking people out of their homes and stealing their land.

Of course that is the I/P conflict in a nutshell.

Nonsense. We know from the Ottoman land records that the major land owners were absentee owners in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon. The Zionists™ didn't kick them out of their homes in foreign lands.

We know from the Ottoman land records that the major, absentee land owners sold large tracts of land to Jewish buyers.

Your claims of people being kicked out of their homes and their land stolen, are, in a nut shell, utterly bogus.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Yes,,, that is why I linked that reference.

JERUSALEM — ZIONISM was never the gentlest of ideologies. The return of the Jewish people to their biblical homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty there have always carried within them the displacement of those already living on the land.

The Israeli general and politician Yigal Allon defined Zionism in 1975 as “the national liberation movement of a people exiled from its historic homeland and dispersed among the nations of the world.” Some years later, and more crudely, perhaps, another general and politician, Rehavam Ze’evi, a tough right-winger, said, “Zionism is in essence the Zionism of transfer,” adding, “If transfer is immoral, then all of Zionism is immoral.”​

BTW, transfer is a euphemism for kicking people out of their homes and stealing their land.

Of course that is the I/P conflict in a nutshell.

(COMMENT)

It demonstrates that your abstract concept of "Zionism" was not universal by any means. As for "kicking people out of their homes and stealing their land," I noticed that the Arab Palestinians lost the Civil War (Palestinian 'vs' Palestinian) - the conflict before the Declaration of Independence in May 1948. The Arab Palestinians did not like the outcome, and periodically want a replay.

The various Humanitarian Law and contemporary values that Arab Palestinians most often cry about are just attempts under the color of law to prolong the Israeli-Palestinian Conflict. And each time the Arab Palestinians make such a new attempt, their outcome is less favorable then the time before.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

P F Tinmore,
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/opinion/who-are-the-real-heirs-of-zionism.html?_r=0
"Zionism" was not invented. In this discussion group, there are pro-Zionist and anti-Zionist. It is an evolving, but fading philosophy, first brought forward by Nathan Birnbaum (≈ 1890). Zionism alla Birnbaum was somewhat ideologically different from the "Zionism" which Theodor Herzl would come to promote. And we can see the gradual evolutionary processes in Zionism even today; including the politicalization of "Zionism." Herzl moved "Zionism" to the next level in the mid-1890s, with the establishment of the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a funding stream and the practical application of "zionism." With the next major leap for "zionism" was the moving to Jewish Corporate based system. Since the declaration of Israel, "zionism" went through an evolutionary change yet again -- although it almost went unnoticed. More enlightened then before the adoption of the Partition Plan, the "Zionist" component of Jewish national development became focused on issue of peace and security --- with the emphasis of a Defense Force and government that was more secular in nature.

So what was the problem prior to the invention of Zionism in 1875 and the settler/colonialism prior to 1925 by arab muslims.

(COMMENT)

Yes, --- it must be understood that within the Jewish Community in both Europe and Palestine, with a major trigger in 1933 onward (the party inspired boycott of business, academic/scientific involvement, and professional practices), from which the Palestinians and Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) mimic from a page in the NAZI Playbook --- was not of one mind. There was a diversity in views as to what was happening, what was meant, and what to do about it. "Zionism" between 1933 and 1939, was not of a single mind, and would become much more concerned with the escape and evasion form the "Holocaust." It was more about survival than about the politics of the time. Zionism and the WZO would not become cohesive and symbiotic until the post-war era (a reconstruction period). There was a very interesting New York Times piece (Who Are the True Heirs of Zionism? By STEVEN ERLANGERFEB. 4, 2016) which talks of about the difference the different facets of "Zionism."

"Zionism" is the process, yet again, in making another leap in its evolution. We are not sure what the "New Zionist" are going to become; but it seems to focus on Peace and Security. Whatever you think the "Zionist" were --- or --- whatever you might think the "Zionist" are, I'm willing to bet they will become something different yet again.

Most Respectfully,
R

JERUSALEM — ZIONISM was never the gentlest of ideologies. The return of the Jewish people to their biblical homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty there have always carried within them the displacement of those already living on the land.

The Israeli general and politician Yigal Allon defined Zionism in 1975 as “the national liberation movement of a people exiled from its historic homeland and dispersed among the nations of the world.” Some years later, and more crudely, perhaps, another general and politician, Rehavam Ze’evi, a tough right-winger, said, “Zionism is in essence the Zionism of transfer,” adding, “If transfer is immoral, then all of Zionism is immoral.”​

BTW, transfer is a euphemism for kicking people out of their homes and stealing their land.

Of course that is the I/P conflict in a nutshell.

Nonsense. We know from the Ottoman land records that the major land owners were absentee owners in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon. The Zionists™ didn't kick them out of their homes in foreign lands.

We know from the Ottoman land records that the major, absentee land owners sold large tracts of land to Jewish buyers.

Your claims of people being kicked out of their homes and their land stolen, are, in a nut shell, utterly bogus.

No, you don't "know that from Ottoman land records". You are lying, as usual. The Ottoman land records and ownership changes during the Mandate were used to produce this map.

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore,
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/02/07/opinion/who-are-the-real-heirs-of-zionism.html?_r=0
"Zionism" was not invented. In this discussion group, there are pro-Zionist and anti-Zionist. It is an evolving, but fading philosophy, first brought forward by Nathan Birnbaum (≈ 1890). Zionism alla Birnbaum was somewhat ideologically different from the "Zionism" which Theodor Herzl would come to promote. And we can see the gradual evolutionary processes in Zionism even today; including the politicalization of "Zionism." Herzl moved "Zionism" to the next level in the mid-1890s, with the establishment of the World Zionist Organization (WZO), a funding stream and the practical application of "zionism." With the next major leap for "zionism" was the moving to Jewish Corporate based system. Since the declaration of Israel, "zionism" went through an evolutionary change yet again -- although it almost went unnoticed. More enlightened then before the adoption of the Partition Plan, the "Zionist" component of Jewish national development became focused on issue of peace and security --- with the emphasis of a Defense Force and government that was more secular in nature.

So what was the problem prior to the invention of Zionism in 1875 and the settler/colonialism prior to 1925 by arab muslims.

(COMMENT)

Yes, --- it must be understood that within the Jewish Community in both Europe and Palestine, with a major trigger in 1933 onward (the party inspired boycott of business, academic/scientific involvement, and professional practices), from which the Palestinians and Boycott, Divestment, Sanctions (BDS) mimic from a page in the NAZI Playbook --- was not of one mind. There was a diversity in views as to what was happening, what was meant, and what to do about it. "Zionism" between 1933 and 1939, was not of a single mind, and would become much more concerned with the escape and evasion form the "Holocaust." It was more about survival than about the politics of the time. Zionism and the WZO would not become cohesive and symbiotic until the post-war era (a reconstruction period). There was a very interesting New York Times piece (Who Are the True Heirs of Zionism? By STEVEN ERLANGERFEB. 4, 2016) which talks of about the difference the different facets of "Zionism."

"Zionism" is the process, yet again, in making another leap in its evolution. We are not sure what the "New Zionist" are going to become; but it seems to focus on Peace and Security. Whatever you think the "Zionist" were --- or --- whatever you might think the "Zionist" are, I'm willing to bet they will become something different yet again.

Most Respectfully,
R

JERUSALEM — ZIONISM was never the gentlest of ideologies. The return of the Jewish people to their biblical homeland and the resumption of Jewish sovereignty there have always carried within them the displacement of those already living on the land.

The Israeli general and politician Yigal Allon defined Zionism in 1975 as “the national liberation movement of a people exiled from its historic homeland and dispersed among the nations of the world.” Some years later, and more crudely, perhaps, another general and politician, Rehavam Ze’evi, a tough right-winger, said, “Zionism is in essence the Zionism of transfer,” adding, “If transfer is immoral, then all of Zionism is immoral.”​

BTW, transfer is a euphemism for kicking people out of their homes and stealing their land.

Of course that is the I/P conflict in a nutshell.

Nonsense. We know from the Ottoman land records that the major land owners were absentee owners in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon. The Zionists™ didn't kick them out of their homes in foreign lands.

We know from the Ottoman land records that the major, absentee land owners sold large tracts of land to Jewish buyers.

Your claims of people being kicked out of their homes and their land stolen, are, in a nut shell, utterly bogus.

No, you don't "know that from Ottoman land records". You are lying, as usual. The Ottoman land records and ownership changes during the Mandate were used to produce this map.

Yes, yes. Another cut and paste of the same map that means nothing.

 

[P F Tinmore]

I noticed that the Arab Palestinians lost the Civil War

What civil war?

The one where the foreign colonists attacked the natives?

 

[Hollie]

I noticed that the Arab Palestinians lost the Civil War

What civil war?

The one where the foreign colonists attacked the natives?

You've fallen down and bumped your head again, right?

 

[montelatici]

I noticed that the Arab Palestinians lost the Civil War

What civil war?

The one where the foreign colonists attacked the natives?

You've fallen down and bumped your head again, right?

Hollie has never quite understood that the Zionists came from Europe, a different continent.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You crack me up.

I noticed that the Arab Palestinians lost the Civil War

What civil war?
The one where the foreign colonists attacked the natives?

(COMMENT)

Well, the two factions of the Citizens of the Territory; both under the Palestine Citizenship Oder.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

I noticed that the Arab Palestinians lost the Civil War

What civil war?

The one where the foreign colonists attacked the natives?

You've fallen down and bumped your head again, right?

Hollie has never quite understood that the Zionists came from Europe, a different continent.

As opposed to the Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese absentee landowners who (so you understand what absentee means) did not live in your mythical "country of Pal'istan.

You also don't understand that the Mandate for Palestinian had a goal of establishing a Jewish National Home.

Hamas is always looking for a few good lackeys. Trade in your ineffectual on-line gee-had for a more emphatic one, Mahmoud.

 

[montelatici]

The owners were Palestinian, as confirmed by the UN. Stop making things up.

 

[Hollie]

The owners were Palestinian, as confirmed by the UN. Stop making things up.

Substantial portions of the land area was owned by absentee landlords in Egypt, Syria and Lebanon.

Come to terms with your ignorance.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You crack me up.

I noticed that the Arab Palestinians lost the Civil War

What civil war?
The one where the foreign colonists attacked the natives?

(COMMENT)

Well, the two factions of the Citizens of the Territory; both under the Palestine Citizenship Oder.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you mean the order that was imposed on the Palestinians at the point of a gun?

 

[Hollie]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You crack me up.

I noticed that the Arab Palestinians lost the Civil War

What civil war?
The one where the foreign colonists attacked the natives?

(COMMENT)

Well, the two factions of the Citizens of the Territory; both under the Palestine Citizenship Oder.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you mean the order that was imposed on the Palestinians at the point of a gun?

What was imposed on the Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese absentee landowners? They sold large tracts of land to Jewish buyers.

You whine and moan about the history you want to re-write.

Hamas is hiring. Get a job.

 

[montelatici]

Still making things up. No facts just propaganda.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

You crack me up.

I noticed that the Arab Palestinians lost the Civil War

What civil war?
The one where the foreign colonists attacked the natives?

(COMMENT)

Well, the two factions of the Citizens of the Territory; both under the Palestine Citizenship Oder.

Most Respectfully,
R

Do you mean the order that was imposed on the Palestinians at the point of a gun?

What was imposed on the Egyptian, Syrian and Lebanese absentee landowners? They sold large tracts of land to Jewish buyers.

You whine and moan about the history you want to re-write.

Hamas is hiring. Get a job.

OK, but by 1948 that was only about 7% of Palestine.