Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[rylah]

RE: Who are the Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Now you are just being ridiculous. In a childlike way, you might be right. There are no agreements on the borders. They are a matter under the Permanent Status of Negotiations.

Deflection. Neither the armistice nor Oslo were land/border treaties.

(COMMENT)

The Oslo Accords were the framework which, as one of the outcomes, resulted in the Exchange of Letters between PM Rabin and Chairman Arafat and the recognitions:

◈ The PLO recognizes the right of the State of Israel to exist in peace and security.

◈ The PLO encourages and calls upon the Palestinian people in the West Bank and Gaza Strip to take part in the steps leading to the normalization of life, rejecting violence and terrorism,

◈ The PLO affirms that those articles of the Palestinian Covenant which deny Israel's right to exist, and the provisions of the Covenant which are inconsistent with the commitments of this letter are now inoperative and no longer valid.

◈ Israel has decided to recognize the PLO as the representative of the Palestinian people and commence negotiations with the PLO within the Middle East peace process.​

The Armistice Agreements are the only thing that the Arab Palestinians and the PLO have on which to base their demand by the Negotiation Affairs Department (NAD):

◈ "The 1967 border, which is defined as the 1949 Armistice Line along with all legal modification thereto up to June 4th 1967, is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the occupied State of Palestine." Quote from the NAD​

The Oslo Accords established the Areas ("A" • "B" • "C") (among other things), clearly mapped-out as areas of control.


Most Respectfully,
R

The Oslo Accords established the Areas ("A" • "B" • "C") (among other things), clearly mapped-out as areas of control.

Military control, i.e. occupation not sovereignty.

A sovereign nation can establish military control anywhere in its country.
Autonomous region does do not equal abandonment of sovereignty.

 

[Shusha]

Where are the treaties granting those territories to Israel the Jewish people?

I swear you ask this every week. And then promptly ignore the treaties as though they don't exist or are written in invisible ink. Its utterly ridiculous.

Where are the treaties granting those territories to ANYONE other than the Jewish people?

I swear you ask this every week.

Indeed, and that is when everybody starts dancing.

The only person dancing is you.

Every. Single. Time. the treaties are quoted to you, you ignore them as though they don't exist.

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No land/border treaties have ever been posted.

Well now you have changed the question. The question originally posed by you (see above) was:

Where are the treaties granting those territories to Israel the Jewish people

Israel is simply the name chosen by the Jewish people for the State which is the fulfillment of the self-determination of the Jewish people.

Self-determination (as you have pointed out often enough yourself) is an inherent right for ALL peoples. The recognition of the right to self-determination for the Jewish peoples is entrenched in the Mandate for Palestine which specifically and exclusively grants the right of self-determination in Palestine to the Jewish people based on their existing historical claim to the land.

Because you dance away from that reality and pretend it doesn't exist, you have to change the question to: Where are the land/border treaties? And you know very well the answer, because you just posted:

Palestine already has international borders.

So, let's ask you this: How do you know "Palestine" has international borders? What treaties establish the international borders of "Palestine". And by golly there is your answer.

Those are the borders of the territory where the Jewish people have internationally recognized self-determination.

 

[Shusha]

What Treaty was required for Israel to seek self-determination?

Repeating for emphasis.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Where are the treaties granting those territories to Israel the Jewish people?

I swear you ask this every week. And then promptly ignore the treaties as though they don't exist or are written in invisible ink. Its utterly ridiculous.

Where are the treaties granting those territories to ANYONE other than the Jewish people?

I swear you ask this every week.

Indeed, and that is when everybody starts dancing.

The only person dancing is you.

Every. Single. Time. the treaties are quoted to you, you ignore them as though they don't exist.

View attachment 291495

No land/border treaties have ever been posted.

Well now you have changed the question. The question originally posed by you (see above) was:

Where are the treaties granting those territories to Israel the Jewish people

Israel is simply the name chosen by the Jewish people for the State which is the fulfillment of the self-determination of the Jewish people.

Self-determination (as you have pointed out often enough yourself) is an inherent right for ALL peoples. The recognition of the right to self-determination for the Jewish peoples is entrenched in the Mandate for Palestine which specifically and exclusively grants the right of self-determination in Palestine to the Jewish people based on their existing historical claim to the land.

Because you dance away from that reality and pretend it doesn't exist, you have to change the question to: Where are the land/border treaties? And you know very well the answer, because you just posted:

Palestine already has international borders.

So, let's ask you this: How do you know "Palestine" has international borders? What treaties establish the international borders of "Palestine". And by golly there is your answer.

Those are the borders of the territory where the Jewish people have internationally recognized self-determination.

So, let's ask you this: How do you know "Palestine" has international borders? What treaties establish the international borders of "Palestine". And by golly there is your answer.

Posted many times. You need to keep up.

Those are the borders of the territory where the Jewish people have internationally recognized self-determination.

Link?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who are the Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The Mandate did not commence until 3 months after the Treaty of Lausanne. There had to be a Palestine before there could be a Mandate for Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Actually, the Mandate was outlined and the San Remo Convention (1920). And the Civil Administration almost immediately started.

In those days, when the Allied Powers Agreed to something, they did it. And the "I's" were dotted and the "T' s" crossed in the normal course of politics and diplomacy (dead slow). In the case of the Mandate, the powers referred to its implementation as: "For the rest, the many improvements which the country needs, and which would tend to increase its prosperity and its revenue, have had to be postponed until the Mandate is promulgated and a loan can be issued."

I don't think that the difference in the formal dates actually interferes with the command authority of the Allied Powers.


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

OH for heavens sake.

Those are the borders of the territory where the Jewish people have internationally recognized self-determination.

Link?

(COMMENT)

Self-determination is exactly that. They (the Israelis) make the determination for themselve and decide to act on it by themslves. It is the entire meaning of "self-determination." Now if you are looking for how the original boundaries (not borders) were set, you need to refer to the Paulet–Newcombe Agreement.

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I specifically remember mentioning this a couple of times with you.

The current boundaries and effective borders are in the two treaties (Egypt - Jordanian), the Your 2000 letter from Lebanon to the UN.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who are the Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The Oslo Accords established the Areas ("A" • "B" • "C") (among other things), clearly mapped-out as areas of control.

Military control, i.e. occupation not sovereignty.

(COMMENT)

Sovereignty is NOT dependent on the method by which a governing body establishes the full authority and power over a territory. Military Occupation is not a disqualifying factor. "Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State."
Dr. WALID ABDULRAHIM
Professor of Law
Beirut Arab University
Faculty of Law and Political Science



Most Respectfully,
R

Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory,

What is that? Got a map? Got a defined territory?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who are the Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

Here you would be wrong again.

Palestine already has international borders. Nobody else has any authority over them.

(COMMENT)

The Government of Palestine (an Instrument of Great Britian) was defined by the Order in Council:

◈ "The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine."​

The name "Palestine" was the short title for the phrase: "territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies"


Most Respectfully,
R

The Order in Council was when Palestine was still an occupied territory.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who are the Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The Mandate did not commence until 3 months after the Treaty of Lausanne. There had to be a Palestine before there could be a Mandate for Palestine.

(COMMENT)

Actually, the Mandate was outlined and the San Remo Convention (1920). And the Civil Administration almost immediately started.

In those days, when the Allied Powers Agreed to something, they did it. And the "I's" were dotted and the "T' s" crossed in the normal course of politics and diplomacy (dead slow). In the case of the Mandate, the powers referred to its implementation as: "For the rest, the many improvements which the country needs, and which would tend to increase its prosperity and its revenue, have had to be postponed until the Mandate is promulgated and a loan can be issued."
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I don't think that the difference in the formal dates actually interferes with the command authority of the Allied Powers.


Most Respectfully,
R

Actually, the Mandate was outlined and the San Remo Convention (1920). And the Civil Administration almost immediately started.

Britain occupied Palestine in 1917. The name of the occupation changed over time but Britain functioned as an occupying power until 1948.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

OH for heavens sake.

Those are the borders of the territory where the Jewish people have internationally recognized self-determination.

Link?

(COMMENT)

Self-determination is exactly that. They (the Israelis) make the determination for themselve and decide to act on it by themslves. It is the entire meaning of "self-determination." Now if you are looking for how the original boundaries (not borders) were set, you need to refer to the Paulet–Newcombe Agreement.

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​

I specifically remember mentioning this a couple of times with you.

The current boundaries and effective borders are in the two treaties (Egypt - Jordanian), the Your 2000 letter from Lebanon to the UN.

Most Respectfully,
R

The current boundaries and effective borders are in the two treaties (Egypt - Jordanian),

Egypt and Jordan have no say about Palestine's borders.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who are the Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

The Oslo Accords established the Areas ("A" • "B" • "C") (among other things), clearly mapped-out as areas of control.

Military control, i.e. occupation not sovereignty.

(COMMENT)

Sovereignty is NOT dependent on the method by which a governing body establishes the full authority and power over a territory. Military Occupation is not a disqualifying factor. "Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory, to the exclusion of any other States, the functions of a State."
Dr. WALID ABDULRAHIM
Professor of Law
Beirut Arab University
Faculty of Law and Political Science



Most Respectfully,
R

Territorial Sovereignty is the right of a State to exercise over its own territory,

What is that? Got a map? Got a defined territory?

Hamas will show you clearly where Israel's defined territory is. As you migbt have noticed, the State of Israel constantly defends their define territory from islamic terrorist attacks.

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

OH for heavens sake.

Those are the borders of the territory where the Jewish people have internationally recognized self-determination.

Link?

(COMMENT)

Self-determination is exactly that. They (the Israelis) make the determination for themselve and decide to act on it by themslves. It is the entire meaning of "self-determination." Now if you are looking for how the original boundaries (not borders) were set, you need to refer to the Paulet–Newcombe Agreement.

View attachment 291562
​

I specifically remember mentioning this a couple of times with you.

The current boundaries and effective borders are in the two treaties (Egypt - Jordanian), the Your 2000 letter from Lebanon to the UN.

Most Respectfully,
R

The current boundaries and effective borders are in the two treaties (Egypt - Jordanian),

Egypt and Jordan have no say about Palestine's borders.

Link?

 

[rylah]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

OH for heavens sake.

Those are the borders of the territory where the Jewish people have internationally recognized self-determination.

Link?

(COMMENT)

Self-determination is exactly that. They (the Israelis) make the determination for themselve and decide to act on it by themslves. It is the entire meaning of "self-determination." Now if you are looking for how the original boundaries (not borders) were set, you need to refer to the Paulet–Newcombe Agreement.

View attachment 291562
​

I specifically remember mentioning this a couple of times with you.

The current boundaries and effective borders are in the two treaties (Egypt - Jordanian), the Your 2000 letter from Lebanon to the UN.

Most Respectfully,
R

The current boundaries and effective borders are in the two treaties (Egypt - Jordanian),

Egypt and Jordan have no say about Palestine's borders.

International law vested all sovereignty in Palestine to the Jewish Nation.
Nations can enter any territorial treaties they see fit.

 

[Hollie]

Not that this comes as a surprise as the UNRWA welfare fraud has a long history of participation in the cradle to grave program of hate and incitement that defines so much of Arab-Moslem ideology.




Palestinian textbooks full of incitement, study finds

According to IMPACT-se, all textbooks in social studies, history, Arabic and national education for grades 2–12, contain problematic content.

Palestinian schoolchildren are exposed to a dramatic amount of incitement and intolerance against Jews and Israel, a research institute based at the Hebrew University of Jerusalem found.

 

[Hollie]

More of what one should expect from an islamic fear society that exists in an alternate reality of conspiracy theories and self-hate.



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The Jews came as "invaders 70 years ago," no evidence of Jews before then
Nan Jacques Zilberdik and Itamar Marcus | Nov 25, 2019

• Palestinian university lecturer: The Jews were never in Palestine, but came as “invaders 70 years ago”
• Palestinian archeologist: No archaeological evidence of the presence of the children of Israel in Palestine 3,000 years ago
• Palestinian author: The Zionist narrative has falsified history – the children of Israel were never in Palestine

Palestinian Authority policy is to routinely deny the entire Jewish history in the Land of Israel.

 

[member]

More of what one should expect from an islamic fear society that exists in an alternate reality of conspiracy theories and self-hate.



Palestinian Media Watch
About UsPMW ImpactSupport PMW

The Jews came as "invaders 70 years ago," no evidence of Jews before then
Nan Jacques Zilberdik and Itamar Marcus | Nov 25, 2019

• Palestinian university lecturer: The Jews were never in Palestine, but came as “invaders 70 years ago”
• Palestinian archeologist: No archaeological evidence of the presence of the children of Israel in Palestine 3,000 years ago
• Palestinian author: The Zionist narrative has falsified history – the children of Israel were never in Palestine

Palestinian Authority policy is to routinely deny the entire Jewish history in the Land of Israel.

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"The Jews claim that they were in Palestine 2,000 years ago."​

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"The Jews claim that they were in Palestine 2,000 years ago."​

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[rylah]

Know Your History: Even the Term “Free Palestine”
Was Co-opted From the Jews

“Free, free Palestine!”

These are the words shouted out by Israel haters worldwide, more often than not an expression of their wish for the destruction of the state of Israel.

But did you know the first use of the words “Free Palestine” were for the exact opposite objective?
American League for a Free Palestine (ALFP) was created in July 1944, by Peter H Bergson (formerly Hillel Kook), for the purpose of supporting and funding his Hebrew Committee of National Liberation in Palestine. The ALFP attracted Jewish and non-Jewish members from all occupations, but especially those in politics and entertainment. The ALFP’s most notable achievement was the work of award winning playwright and director Ben Hecht, a member of the league. Hecht wrote A Flag is Born to propagandize the cause by comparing the fight for a free Palestine against the British to the American Revolution. With money raised from the production of the play, the league purchased a boat for the aliyah of Holocaust survivors from France. The group dissolved in December 1948 as the goal of the league had been achieved.

They even had a “Palestine Resistance Month”! (but unlike the palestinian Arab notion of this, it involved lobbying, not terrorism).

Do you think the Jews of the time would have named their movement this way had there been a distinguishable group of Arabs identifying as “palestinians”, who had run a state called “Palestine”?

Know Your History: Even the Term 'Free Palestine' Was Co-opted From the Jews

 

[Shusha]

I swear you ask this every week. And then promptly ignore the treaties as though they don't exist or are written in invisible ink. Its utterly ridiculous.

Where are the treaties granting those territories to ANYONE other than the Jewish people?

I swear you ask this every week.

Indeed, and that is when everybody starts dancing.

The only person dancing is you.

Every. Single. Time. the treaties are quoted to you, you ignore them as though they don't exist.

View attachment 291495

No land/border treaties have ever been posted.

Well now you have changed the question. The question originally posed by you (see above) was:

Where are the treaties granting those territories to Israel the Jewish people

Israel is simply the name chosen by the Jewish people for the State which is the fulfillment of the self-determination of the Jewish people.

Self-determination (as you have pointed out often enough yourself) is an inherent right for ALL peoples. The recognition of the right to self-determination for the Jewish peoples is entrenched in the Mandate for Palestine which specifically and exclusively grants the right of self-determination in Palestine to the Jewish people based on their existing historical claim to the land.

Because you dance away from that reality and pretend it doesn't exist, you have to change the question to: Where are the land/border treaties? And you know very well the answer, because you just posted:

Palestine already has international borders.

So, let's ask you this: How do you know "Palestine" has international borders? What treaties establish the international borders of "Palestine". And by golly there is your answer.

Those are the borders of the territory where the Jewish people have internationally recognized self-determination.

So, let's ask you this: How do you know "Palestine" has international borders? What treaties establish the international borders of "Palestine". And by golly there is your answer.

Posted many times. You need to keep up.

Those are the borders of the territory where the Jewish people have internationally recognized self-determination.

Link?

Oh my, you really are having a hard time figuring out how to dance around this, aren't you?

Let me see if I can walk you through it.

1. The principle for self-determination for all peoples (core principle of IL, ICL, Charter of the United Nations, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights)

To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace; (Article 1.2 Charter of the United Nations).

All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development. (Article 1.1 ICCPR)
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2. The rights for self-determination for the Jewish people were legally recognized and entrenched in law based on the Jewish peoples existing right due to their history, ancestry, indigenous origins, long-term presence and prior nation in the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. (Mandate for Palestine)

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people...

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes. (Preamble, Articles 2, 4, 6 of the Mandate for Palestine)
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3. The territory to which this self-determination for the Jewish people applies is a result of a number of different principles and treaties. They are: The principle in international law of previous administrative borders being inherited by new sovereigns. (Uti possidetis juris). The legal encumbrance for the Allied Powers to determine the boundaries of the newly created and emerging States. (Treaty of Lausanne, Mandate for Palestine). The resulting treaties and documents which outline the boundaries determined by the Allied Powers. (Paulet-Newcombe Agreement, 1906 border with Egypt, Mandate for Palestine and the Transjordan Memorandum which excised Transjordan from the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies). Confirmation of these boundaries through other treaties (Treaty of Peace Between the State of Israel and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and Treay of Peace between Egypt and Israel).

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned. (Article 16 Treaty of Lausanne).

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; (Preamble Mandate for Palestine).

THE FINAL REPORT ON THE DEMARCATION OF THE FRONTIER BETWEEN THE GREAT LEBANON AND SYRIA ON THE ONE SIDE, AND PALESTINE ON THE OTHER SIDE, FROM THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA TO EL HAMM (IN THE LOWER VALLEY OF THE YARMUK) IN PURSUANCE OF ARTICLES I AND 2 OF THE CONVENTION OF PARIS OF DECEMBER 23, 1920. It is agreed between the undersigned, being the commission duly constituted in accordance with article 2 of the said convention, that the boundary between the Mediterranean and-El Hamm6 shall be as follows : The frontier leaves the Mediterranean Sea at the point called Ras-el-Nakurah, and follows the crest of the spur ... (excerpt Franco-British Agreement on Northern Border).

The following provisions of the Mandate for Palestine are not applicable to the territory known as Trans-Jordan, which comprises all territory lying to the east of a line drawn from a point two miles west of the town of Akaba on the Gulf of that name up the centre of the Wady Araba, Dead Sea and River Jordan to its junction with the River Yarmuk; thence up the centre of that river to the Syrian Frontier. (Transjordan Memorandum)

The international boundary between Israel and Jordan is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I (a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and co-ordinates specified therein. (Article 3.1Treaty of Peace between the State of Israel and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan).

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel in the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II ... (Article 2 Treaty of Peace between Egypt and Israel).
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At this point you can accuse me of many things, but dancing or failing to provide documentary evidence clearly isn't one of them. All of this has been provided for you before. AND I KNOW you agree that international boundaries exist between the territory in question and her neighbors, so continuing to ask for that information is foolish.

 

[P F Tinmore]

Indeed, and that is when everybody starts dancing.

The only person dancing is you.

Every. Single. Time. the treaties are quoted to you, you ignore them as though they don't exist.

View attachment 291495

No land/border treaties have ever been posted.

Well now you have changed the question. The question originally posed by you (see above) was:

Where are the treaties granting those territories to Israel the Jewish people

Israel is simply the name chosen by the Jewish people for the State which is the fulfillment of the self-determination of the Jewish people.

Self-determination (as you have pointed out often enough yourself) is an inherent right for ALL peoples. The recognition of the right to self-determination for the Jewish peoples is entrenched in the Mandate for Palestine which specifically and exclusively grants the right of self-determination in Palestine to the Jewish people based on their existing historical claim to the land.

Because you dance away from that reality and pretend it doesn't exist, you have to change the question to: Where are the land/border treaties? And you know very well the answer, because you just posted:

Palestine already has international borders.

So, let's ask you this: How do you know "Palestine" has international borders? What treaties establish the international borders of "Palestine". And by golly there is your answer.

Those are the borders of the territory where the Jewish people have internationally recognized self-determination.

So, let's ask you this: How do you know "Palestine" has international borders? What treaties establish the international borders of "Palestine". And by golly there is your answer.

Posted many times. You need to keep up.

Those are the borders of the territory where the Jewish people have internationally recognized self-determination.

Link?

Oh my, you really are having a hard time figuring out how to dance around this, aren't you?

Let me see if I can walk you through it.

1. The principle for self-determination for all peoples (core principle of IL, ICL, Charter of the United Nations, International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights)

To develop friendly relations among nations based on respect for the principle of equal rights and self-determination of peoples, and to take other appropriate measures to strengthen universal peace; (Article 1.2 Charter of the United Nations).

All peoples have the right of self-determination. By virtue of that right they freely determine their political status and freely pursue their economic, social and cultural development. (Article 1.1 ICCPR)
​

2. The rights for self-determination for the Jewish people were legally recognized and entrenched in law based on the Jewish peoples existing right due to their history, ancestry, indigenous origins, long-term presence and prior nation in the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. (Mandate for Palestine)

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have also agreed that the Mandatory should be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2nd, 1917, by the Government of His Britannic Majesty, and adopted by the said Powers, in favor of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people...

Whereas recognition has thereby been given to the historical connection of the Jewish people with Palestine and to the grounds for reconstituting their national home in that country; and

The Mandatory shall be responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home, as laid down in the preamble, and the development of self-governing institutions, and also for safeguarding the civil and religious rights of all the inhabitants of Palestine, irrespective of race and religion.

An appropriate Jewish agency shall be recognised as a public body for the purpose of advising and co-operating with the Administration of Palestine in such economic, social and other matters as may affect the establishment of the Jewish national home and the interests of the Jewish population in Palestine, and, subject always to the control of the Administration to assist and take part in the development of the country.

The Zionist organization, so long as its organization and constitution are in the opinion of the Mandatory appropriate, shall be recognised as such agency. It shall take steps in consultation with His Britannic Majesty's Government to secure the co-operation of all Jews who are willing to assist in the establishment of the Jewish national home.

The Administration of Palestine, while ensuring that the rights and position of other sections of the population are not prejudiced, shall facilitate Jewish immigration under suitable conditions and shall encourage, in co-operation with the Jewish agency referred to in Article 4, close settlement by Jews on the land, including State lands and waste lands not required for public purposes. (Preamble, Articles 2, 4, 6 of the Mandate for Palestine)
​

3. The territory to which this self-determination for the Jewish people applies is a result of a number of different principles and treaties. They are: The principle in international law of previous administrative borders being inherited by new sovereigns. (Uti possidetis juris). The legal encumbrance for the Allied Powers to determine the boundaries of the newly created and emerging States. (Treaty of Lausanne, Mandate for Palestine). The resulting treaties and documents which outline the boundaries determined by the Allied Powers. (Paulet-Newcombe Agreement, 1906 border with Egypt, Mandate for Palestine and the Transjordan Memorandum which excised Transjordan from the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies). Confirmation of these boundaries through other treaties (Treaty of Peace Between the State of Israel and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan and Treay of Peace between Egypt and Israel).

Turkey hereby renounces all rights and title whatsoever over or respecting the territories situated outside the frontiers laid down in the present Treaty and the islands other than those over which her sovereignty is recognised by the said Treaty, the future of these territories and islands being settled or to be settled by the parties concerned. (Article 16 Treaty of Lausanne).

Whereas the Principal Allied Powers have agreed, for the purpose of giving effect to the provisions of Article 22 of the Covenant of the League of Nations, to entrust to a Mandatory selected by the said Powers the administration of the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by them; (Preamble Mandate for Palestine).

THE FINAL REPORT ON THE DEMARCATION OF THE FRONTIER BETWEEN THE GREAT LEBANON AND SYRIA ON THE ONE SIDE, AND PALESTINE ON THE OTHER SIDE, FROM THE MEDITERRANEAN SEA TO EL HAMM (IN THE LOWER VALLEY OF THE YARMUK) IN PURSUANCE OF ARTICLES I AND 2 OF THE CONVENTION OF PARIS OF DECEMBER 23, 1920. It is agreed between the undersigned, being the commission duly constituted in accordance with article 2 of the said convention, that the boundary between the Mediterranean and-El Hamm6 shall be as follows : The frontier leaves the Mediterranean Sea at the point called Ras-el-Nakurah, and follows the crest of the spur ... (excerpt Franco-British Agreement on Northern Border).

The following provisions of the Mandate for Palestine are not applicable to the territory known as Trans-Jordan, which comprises all territory lying to the east of a line drawn from a point two miles west of the town of Akaba on the Gulf of that name up the centre of the Wady Araba, Dead Sea and River Jordan to its junction with the River Yarmuk; thence up the centre of that river to the Syrian Frontier. (Transjordan Memorandum)

The international boundary between Israel and Jordan is delimited with reference to the boundary definition under the Mandate as is shown in Annex I (a), on the mapping materials attached thereto and co-ordinates specified therein. (Article 3.1Treaty of Peace between the State of Israel and the Hashemite Kingdom of Jordan).

The permanent boundary between Egypt and Israel in the recognized international boundary between Egypt and the former mandated territory of Palestine, as shown on the map at Annex II ... (Article 2 Treaty of Peace between Egypt and Israel).
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At this point you can accuse me of many things, but dancing or failing to provide documentary evidence clearly isn't one of them. All of this has been provided for you before. AND I KNOW you agree that international boundaries exist between the territory in question and her neighbors, so continuing to ask for that information is foolish.

Why are all those foreigners imposing on Palestine?

 

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Why are all those foreigners imposing on Palestine?

Ah, so once again, rather than acknowledging facts and discussing the last two questions you asked, you introduce a new question.

I know you are going to keep dancing. And in a week, you will ask those same to questions again. You can't possibly actually address the real documents, because it destroys your entire argument.


But in answer to your question:

The Jewish people (not foreign) are exercising their right to self-determination.

The British (and French) were fulfilling their legal treaty obligations.

The Egyptians and Jordanians were first belligerently interfering with the sovereignty and territorial integrity of other states, in contravention of all the most basic and well-established IL; and then entering into peace treaties with their neighbors.

Iraq, Lebanon and Syria were belligerently interfering with the sovereignty and territorial integrity of other states, in contravention of all the most basic and well-established IL.

Did I miss anyone?