Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I'm not "misleading" even one little bit. You're just having trouble accepting the historical record.

Yes, the Hostile Arab Palestinians want to achieve control over all the former territory under the Mandate and west of the Jordan River.

You are misleading. The Mandate had no sovereignty, no territory, and no borders.

It is Palestine.

(REFERENCES)

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.
See the Report for more defined detail.

I am citing the 1932 Report because there were some boundary adjustments being made.

One of these villages consists of 500 dunums of land containing the mineral springs of El Hamme and some few huts and tents occupied by cultivators from a neighbouring settlement in Trans-Jordan. This area was taken over from Trans-Jordan on the ratification of the Agreement between His Majesty's Government and His Highness the Amir of Trans-Jordan and in virtue of Article 2 of that Agreement whereby the boundary between the two countries was declared to be the median line of the Yarmuk River in the area in question.​

In the course of this adjustment, it was discovered that a part of the lands of the Syrian frontier village Kafr Harib lay within the territory of Palestine, and this part was consequently included in the tithe lists of the Palestine Government. This is the second of the "villages" in question.​

Title: This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for​

Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.​

(COMMENT)

You are one-third correct. None of the Mandatory Powers went about establishing sovereignty over the territories under administration. However: That did not alter the fact that the Mandatory Power, under the auspices of the League of Nations, established a Government through a Civil Administration. There were very distinct boundaries and territories involved.

On the matter of Sovereignty:

◈ The Mandatory was granted full powers of legislation and of administration.​

◈ The Mandatory was responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions as will secure the establishment of the Jewish national home.​

◈ The Mandatory was to encourage local autonomy.​

◈ The Mandatory shall defend the integrity of the territory such that no Palestine territory shall be ceded or leased to, or in any way placed under the control of, the Government of any foreign Power.​

◈ The Administration of Palestine shall be responsible for enacting a nationality law.​

◈ The Mandatory shall be responsible for seeing that the judicial system established in Palestine shall assure to foreigners, as well as to natives, a complete guarantee of their rights.​

(IMPORTANT ASPECT)

Not only did the UK Civil Administration over the Government of Palestine have effective control over the Executive, Legislative and Judicial systems, but it also had all the responsibilities over diplomatic efforts, economic stimulus and monetary controls, as well as national defense matters. Remembering that the Arab Higher Committee categorically rejected and abandoned all advisory council influence (5:2 Advantage) in the establishment of frameworks Arab Self-Governance.

I'm having a hard time distinguishing any significant difference you can raise between the powers vested in the UK Civil Administration over the Government of Palestine and any other sovereign nation.

So I ask! Who (here) is spreading misinformation?

Most Respectfully,
R

OK, we have established that:

1. Palestine is the name of the country.
2. Palestine has defined boundaries.
3. The Palestinians are the natives.
4. The Palestinians are the citizens of Palestine.
5. The Palestinians, in Palestine, have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.
6. The Mandatory must act in the best interest of the natives.
7. The Mandatory must render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence.
8. The Mandatory did not acquire sovereignty over the territory.

Links on request.

You have not established anything.

Lets start with 1.

Link?

Title: This Order may be cited as "The Palestine Order in Council, 1922."

The limits of this Order are the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applies, hereinafter described as Palestine.

Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2 ⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al, BLUF: Disengagement from the West Bank • Finally, on July 31 King Hussein announced the severance of all administrative and legal ties with the occupied West Bank. Accordingly, electoral districts were redrawn to represent East...

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You know the above doesn't establish statehood. Did you read it? You didn't understand, right?

Copy and paste your usual nonsense about the Treaty of Lausanne inventing your imagined "country of Pally'land".

 

[Hollie]

Let's think about this. As Hamas uses children in the front lines of the gee-had against Israel, those children who are injured as a result of deliberate actions by Hamas can be treated by Arab-Moslem medical personnel who are trained by Israeli doctors.

The upside down world of the Pals.

Hamas quietly allows Gaza doctors to get COVID-19 training in Israel

Gazan medical staff received training inside Israel on the novel coronavirus in unpublicized coordination between Hamas and Israel.

www.al-monitor.com

GAZA CITY, Gaza Strip — Palestinian medical personnel from Gaza reportedly received training in Israel to deal with the novel coronavirus, raising questions among Palestinians about whether the training came through coordination between Israel and the Hamas government in Gaza, the Palestinian Authority in Ramallah or perhaps a humanitarian group.

 

[Sixties Fan]

In first, Saudi TV dramas feature character urging Israel ties, Hebrew monologue

Controversy swirls around two Ramadan productions, screened amid warming Jerusalem-Riyadh ties; 13 Palestinian groups said urging that one of the shows be taken off air

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is also misleading propaganda.

1. Palestine is the name of the country.
2. Palestine has defined boundaries.
3. The Palestinians are the natives.
4. The Palestinians are the citizens of Palestine.
5. The Palestinians, in Palestine, have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.
6. The Mandatory must act in the best interest of the natives.
7. The Mandatory must render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence.
8. The Mandatory did not acquire sovereignty over the territory.

(KEY REFERENCEs)

◈ (1) Palestine Order in LoN Council - (10 August 1922)​

​

◈ (2) Memo No. 52/195/48 A/AC.21/UK/42 25 February 1948 Legal Meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate”​

​

◈ (3) UNPC as Successor Government of Palestine/UK memorandum - UN Press Release (27 February 1948)​

​

◈ (4) 2012 UN Memo Regarding A/RES/67/19 on the Status of "Palestine" in the UN​

​

◈ (5) A/RES/43/177 Question of Palestine - 15 December 1988​

​

◈ (6) The Mandate for Palestine - 12 August 1922​

​

◈ (7) The League of Nations Covenant 1919 - 1946​

(COMMENT as related to Issues 1 thru 7 by P F Tinmore, member: 21837 )

1. During the period 1922 thru May 1948 the meaning of the name "Palestine" was the name of the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. (See Reference 1 Palestine Order in Council) "Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. (See Reference 3) After May 1948, "Palestine" was treated as an "entity." "Palestine" was not identified as a state or a country nor could its authorities be identified as a Government. (See Reference 4)

2. "Palestine," as a Civil Administration established by the UK, obligated the Mandatory (the UK), to assume the role of a Government for the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Mandatory. (See Reference 6 The Mandate for Palestine)

NOTE: The boundaries as affixed by the Mandatory:

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.​

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.​

3. Whether it is true or not, and over what period, is irrelevant. A territorial name associated with a population within is not a basis for the claim. I was born in Appalachia; it is a 205,000 square-mile region with a population of 25 million people. But I do not hold my citizenship there. The size of the territory, formerly the Mandate for Palestine, the portion west of the Jordan River, and stretching to the Mediterranean Sea is only ≈10,000 square-mile region.

4. Today, the meaning of "Citizens of Palestine" is still under debate. Between December 1988 and December 2012, the term "Palestine" was used in place of the "Palestine Liberation Organization" (PLO). (See Reference 4)

5a. Irrelevant. I have the right to a Million Dollars. That does not obligate anyone to give me a Million Dollars.

5b. The Jewish People in Palestine, have the right to self-determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity. The Jewish People worked for what they have and cooperated to acquire it. What a difference it made in the outcome.

6. The Mandate states that "nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." The Mandate does not say the "best interest." IF, as the Arab Palestinians, as they have so many times before, rejected the opportunity to participate in the establishment of self-governing institutions, THEN the Arab Palestinians are allowed to so allow to fritter-away their opportunities → so be it.

7. Mandatory must Render administrative assistance and advice: Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. All overtures were rejected by the Arab Higher Committee.

◈ The Covenant specifically states that "there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples." The "well being and development" is what?​

​

◈ The Covenant specifically states that "tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources," What is the alternative when "such people" reject tutelage?​

​

◈ Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The Covenant does not specify which "communities" - "have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised." But apparently the Emir of Transjordania was so recognized and treated distinctly different from the remainder (that west of the Jordan River) of the Mandate.​

(SUMMATION

)

The "Questions of Palestine," as presented by P F Tinmore is really explained in the first 4 Key References (supra). Everything else is fluff until the question of post-December 2012 status is resolved.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is also misleading propaganda.

1. Palestine is the name of the country.
2. Palestine has defined boundaries.
3. The Palestinians are the natives.
4. The Palestinians are the citizens of Palestine.
5. The Palestinians, in Palestine, have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.
6. The Mandatory must act in the best interest of the natives.
7. The Mandatory must render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence.
8. The Mandatory did not acquire sovereignty over the territory.

(KEY REFERENCEs)

◈ (1) Palestine Order in LoN Council - (10 August 1922)​

​

◈ (2) Memo No. 52/195/48 A/AC.21/UK/42 25 February 1948 Legal Meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate”​

​

◈ (3) UNPC as Successor Government of Palestine/UK memorandum - UN Press Release (27 February 1948)​

​

◈ (4) 2012 UN Memo Regarding A/RES/67/19 on the Status of "Palestine" in the UN​

​

◈ (5) A/RES/43/177 Question of Palestine - 15 December 1988​

​

◈ (6) The Mandate for Palestine - 12 August 1922​

​

◈ (7) The League of Nations Covenant 1919 - 1946​

(COMMENT as related to Issues 1 thru 7 by P F Tinmore, member: 21837 )

1. During the period 1922 thru May 1948 the meaning of the name "Palestine" was the name of the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. (See Reference 1 Palestine Order in Council) "Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. (See Reference 3) After May 1948, "Palestine" was treated as an "entity." "Palestine" was not identified as a state or a country nor could its authorities be identified as a Government. (See Reference 4)

2. "Palestine," as a Civil Administration established by the UK, obligated the Mandatory (the UK), to assume the role of a Government for the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Mandatory. (See Reference 6 The Mandate for Palestine)

NOTE: The boundaries as affixed by the Mandatory:

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.​

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.​

3. Whether it is true or not, and over what period, is irrelevant. A territorial name associated with a population within is not a basis for the claim. I was born in Appalachia; it is a 205,000 square-mile region with a population of 25 million people. But I do not hold my citizenship there. The size of the territory, formerly the Mandate for Palestine, the portion west of the Jordan River, and stretching to the Mediterranean Sea is only ≈10,000 square-mile region.

4. Today, the meaning of "Citizens of Palestine" is still under debate. Between December 1988 and December 2012, the term "Palestine" was used in place of the "Palestine Liberation Organization" (PLO). (See Reference 4)

5a. Irrelevant. I have the right to a Million Dollars. That does not obligate anyone to give me a Million Dollars.

5b. The Jewish People in Palestine, have the right to self-determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity. The Jewish People worked for what they have and cooperated to acquire it. What a difference it made in the outcome.

6. The Mandate states that "nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." The Mandate does not say the "best interest." IF, as the Arab Palestinians, as they have so many times before, rejected the opportunity to participate in the establishment of self-governing institutions, THEN the Arab Palestinians are allowed to so allow to fritter-away their opportunities → so be it.

7. Mandatory must Render administrative assistance and advice: Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. All overtures were rejected by the Arab Higher Committee.

◈ The Covenant specifically states that "there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples." The "well being and development" is what?​

​

◈ The Covenant specifically states that "tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources," What is the alternative when "such people" reject tutelage?​

​

◈ Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The Covenant does not specify which "communities" - "have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised." But apparently the Emir of Transjordania was so recognized and treated distinctly different from the remainder (that west of the Jordan River) of the Mandate.​

(SUMMATION View attachment 328737)

The "Questions of Palestine," as presented by P F Tinmore is really explained in the first 4 Key References (supra). Everything else is fluff until the question of post-December 2012 status is resolved.

Most Respectfully,
R

in virtue of Article 2 of that Agreement whereby the boundary between the two countries was declared to be the median line of the Yarmuk River

◈ The Mandatory was responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions

economic stimulus and monetary controls, as well as national defense matters.

Hmmm.

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is also misleading propaganda.

1. Palestine is the name of the country.
2. Palestine has defined boundaries.
3. The Palestinians are the natives.
4. The Palestinians are the citizens of Palestine.
5. The Palestinians, in Palestine, have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.
6. The Mandatory must act in the best interest of the natives.
7. The Mandatory must render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence.
8. The Mandatory did not acquire sovereignty over the territory.

(KEY REFERENCEs)

◈ (1) Palestine Order in LoN Council - (10 August 1922)​

​

◈ (2) Memo No. 52/195/48 A/AC.21/UK/42 25 February 1948 Legal Meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate”​

​

◈ (3) UNPC as Successor Government of Palestine/UK memorandum - UN Press Release (27 February 1948)​

​

◈ (4) 2012 UN Memo Regarding A/RES/67/19 on the Status of "Palestine" in the UN​

​

◈ (5) A/RES/43/177 Question of Palestine - 15 December 1988​

​

◈ (6) The Mandate for Palestine - 12 August 1922​

​

◈ (7) The League of Nations Covenant 1919 - 1946​

(COMMENT as related to Issues 1 thru 7 by P F Tinmore, member: 21837 )

1. During the period 1922 thru May 1948 the meaning of the name "Palestine" was the name of the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. (See Reference 1 Palestine Order in Council) "Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. (See Reference 3) After May 1948, "Palestine" was treated as an "entity." "Palestine" was not identified as a state or a country nor could its authorities be identified as a Government. (See Reference 4)

2. "Palestine," as a Civil Administration established by the UK, obligated the Mandatory (the UK), to assume the role of a Government for the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Mandatory. (See Reference 6 The Mandate for Palestine)

NOTE: The boundaries as affixed by the Mandatory:

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.​

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.​

3. Whether it is true or not, and over what period, is irrelevant. A territorial name associated with a population within is not a basis for the claim. I was born in Appalachia; it is a 205,000 square-mile region with a population of 25 million people. But I do not hold my citizenship there. The size of the territory, formerly the Mandate for Palestine, the portion west of the Jordan River, and stretching to the Mediterranean Sea is only ≈10,000 square-mile region.

4. Today, the meaning of "Citizens of Palestine" is still under debate. Between December 1988 and December 2012, the term "Palestine" was used in place of the "Palestine Liberation Organization" (PLO). (See Reference 4)

5a. Irrelevant. I have the right to a Million Dollars. That does not obligate anyone to give me a Million Dollars.

5b. The Jewish People in Palestine, have the right to self-determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity. The Jewish People worked for what they have and cooperated to acquire it. What a difference it made in the outcome.

6. The Mandate states that "nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." The Mandate does not say the "best interest." IF, as the Arab Palestinians, as they have so many times before, rejected the opportunity to participate in the establishment of self-governing institutions, THEN the Arab Palestinians are allowed to so allow to fritter-away their opportunities → so be it.

7. Mandatory must Render administrative assistance and advice: Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. All overtures were rejected by the Arab Higher Committee.

◈ The Covenant specifically states that "there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples." The "well being and development" is what?​

​

◈ The Covenant specifically states that "tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources," What is the alternative when "such people" reject tutelage?​

​

◈ Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The Covenant does not specify which "communities" - "have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised." But apparently the Emir of Transjordania was so recognized and treated distinctly different from the remainder (that west of the Jordan River) of the Mandate.​

(SUMMATION View attachment 328737)

The "Questions of Palestine," as presented by P F Tinmore is really explained in the first 4 Key References (supra). Everything else is fluff until the question of post-December 2012 status is resolved.

Most Respectfully,
R

◈ (7) The League of Nations Covenant 1919 - 1946

ARTICLE 20.The Members of the League severally agree that this Covenant is accepted as abrogating all obligations or understandings inter se which are inconsistent with the terms thereof, and solemnly undertake that they will not hereafter enter into any engagements inconsistent with the terms thereof. In case any Member of the League shall, before becoming a Member of the League, have undertaken any obligations inconsistent with the terms of this Covenant, it shall be the duty of such Member to take immediate steps to procure its release from such obligations.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The intent.

in virtue of Article 2 of that Agreement whereby the boundary between the two countries was declared to be the median line of the Yarmuk River

◈ The Mandatory was responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions

economic stimulus and monetary controls, as well as national defense matters.

Hmmm.

(COMMENT)

OK, and so... How are you applying the "Legal" intent (as oppose to taking one sentence out of its context)?

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is also misleading propaganda.

1. Palestine is the name of the country.
2. Palestine has defined boundaries.
3. The Palestinians are the natives.
4. The Palestinians are the citizens of Palestine.
5. The Palestinians, in Palestine, have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.
6. The Mandatory must act in the best interest of the natives.
7. The Mandatory must render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence.
8. The Mandatory did not acquire sovereignty over the territory.

(KEY REFERENCEs)

◈ (1) Palestine Order in LoN Council - (10 August 1922)​

​

◈ (2) Memo No. 52/195/48 A/AC.21/UK/42 25 February 1948 Legal Meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate”​

​

◈ (3) UNPC as Successor Government of Palestine/UK memorandum - UN Press Release (27 February 1948)​

​

◈ (4) 2012 UN Memo Regarding A/RES/67/19 on the Status of "Palestine" in the UN​

​

◈ (5) A/RES/43/177 Question of Palestine - 15 December 1988​

​

◈ (6) The Mandate for Palestine - 12 August 1922​

​

◈ (7) The League of Nations Covenant 1919 - 1946​

(COMMENT as related to Issues 1 thru 7 by P F Tinmore, member: 21837 )

1. During the period 1922 thru May 1948 the meaning of the name "Palestine" was the name of the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. (See Reference 1 Palestine Order in Council) "Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. (See Reference 3) After May 1948, "Palestine" was treated as an "entity." "Palestine" was not identified as a state or a country nor could its authorities be identified as a Government. (See Reference 4)

2. "Palestine," as a Civil Administration established by the UK, obligated the Mandatory (the UK), to assume the role of a Government for the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Mandatory. (See Reference 6 The Mandate for Palestine)

NOTE: The boundaries as affixed by the Mandatory:

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.​

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.​

3. Whether it is true or not, and over what period, is irrelevant. A territorial name associated with a population within is not a basis for the claim. I was born in Appalachia; it is a 205,000 square-mile region with a population of 25 million people. But I do not hold my citizenship there. The size of the territory, formerly the Mandate for Palestine, the portion west of the Jordan River, and stretching to the Mediterranean Sea is only ≈10,000 square-mile region.

4. Today, the meaning of "Citizens of Palestine" is still under debate. Between December 1988 and December 2012, the term "Palestine" was used in place of the "Palestine Liberation Organization" (PLO). (See Reference 4)

5a. Irrelevant. I have the right to a Million Dollars. That does not obligate anyone to give me a Million Dollars.

5b. The Jewish People in Palestine, have the right to self-determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity. The Jewish People worked for what they have and cooperated to acquire it. What a difference it made in the outcome.

6. The Mandate states that "nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." The Mandate does not say the "best interest." IF, as the Arab Palestinians, as they have so many times before, rejected the opportunity to participate in the establishment of self-governing institutions, THEN the Arab Palestinians are allowed to so allow to fritter-away their opportunities → so be it.

7. Mandatory must Render administrative assistance and advice: Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. All overtures were rejected by the Arab Higher Committee.

◈ The Covenant specifically states that "there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples." The "well being and development" is what?​

​

◈ The Covenant specifically states that "tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources," What is the alternative when "such people" reject tutelage?​

​

◈ Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The Covenant does not specify which "communities" - "have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised." But apparently the Emir of Transjordania was so recognized and treated distinctly different from the remainder (that west of the Jordan River) of the Mandate.​

(SUMMATION View attachment 328737)

The "Questions of Palestine," as presented by P F Tinmore is really explained in the first 4 Key References (supra). Everything else is fluff until the question of post-December 2012 status is resolved.

Most Respectfully,
R

◈ (7) The League of Nations Covenant 1919 - 1946

ARTICLE 20.The Members of the League severally agree that this Covenant is accepted as abrogating all obligations or understandings inter se which are inconsistent with the terms thereof, and solemnly undertake that they will not hereafter enter into any engagements inconsistent with the terms thereof. In case any Member of the League shall, before becoming a Member of the League, have undertaken any obligations inconsistent with the terms of this Covenant, it shall be the duty of such Member to take immediate steps to procure its release from such obligations.

Did you feel there was a reason to cut and paste that paragraph?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: I guess I'm missing your point. Decisions, like the San Remo Conference by the Allied Powers, which comes after the Covenant, does not affect the Allied Powers in the context of the San Remo Conference. (That is the way they played it.)

◈ (7) The League of Nations Covenant 1919 - 1946

ARTICLE 20.The Members of the League severally agree that this Covenant is accepted as abrogating all obligations or understandings inter se which are inconsistent with the terms thereof, and solemnly undertake that they will not hereafter enter into any engagements inconsistent with the terms thereof. In case any Member of the League shall, before becoming a Member of the League, have undertaken any obligations inconsistent with the terms of this Covenant, it shall be the duty of such Member to take immediate steps to procure its release from such obligations.

(COMMENT)

OK, once again, I have to remind you that the Covenant was "inter se" (among or between themselves; commonly applied to trust instruments to signify that only the rights of shareholders and trustees are involved). (See: Dictionary of Legal Terms: A Simplified Guide to the Language of Law • Rutgers University School of Law/Newark) There was no obligation or special trust to the Arab Palestinians (neither shareholders or trustees). The Covenant was (ending in 1946) an agreement between the 63 signatories.

I have mentioned this very often in the past. There have been no significant agreements made prior to the Oslo Accords 1993-95, except that in 1946 the Mandatory granted sovereignty to Transjordainia and recognized the Emir as the sovereign. The Allied Powers made no agreement or owed an obligation to the Arab Palestinian. The Arab Palestinians were not a party to the treaties or covenants.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

The link below is to a 2015 article but not surprisingly, the attributes describing myriad forms of waste, fraud, mismanagement, theft, by the Pal Islamic terrorist factions apply across so much of the history defining the competing Islamic terrorist franchises in Gaza and the West Bank.

Corruption in Palestine: A Self-Enforcing System | Al-Shabaka

81% of the Palestinians living under Israeli occupation rank the problem of corruption second only to the occupation itself. Al-Shabaka Policy Advisor Tariq Dana analyzes the systems and actors involved, arguing that corruption is a structural problem with longstanding political roots that...

al-shabaka.org

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The intent.

in virtue of Article 2 of that Agreement whereby the boundary between the two countries was declared to be the median line of the Yarmuk River

◈ The Mandatory was responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions

economic stimulus and monetary controls, as well as national defense matters.

Hmmm.

(COMMENT)

OK, and so... How are you applying the "Legal" intent (as oppose to taking one sentence out of its context)?

Most Respectfully,
R

You posted those sentences, so...
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The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]

State of Palestine: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: The intent.

in virtue of Article 2 of that Agreement whereby the boundary between the two countries was declared to be the median line of the Yarmuk River

◈ The Mandatory was responsible for placing the country under such political, administrative and economic conditions

economic stimulus and monetary controls, as well as national defense matters.

Hmmm.

(COMMENT)

OK, and so... How are you applying the "Legal" intent (as oppose to taking one sentence out of its context)?

Most Respectfully,
R

You posted those sentences, so...
---------
The Treaty of Lausanne required the newly created states that acquired the territory to pay annuities on the Ottoman public debt, and to assume responsibility for the administration of concessions that had been granted by the Ottomans. A dispute regarding the status of the territories was settled by an Arbitrator appointed by the Council of the League of Nations. It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice also decided that Palestine was responsible as the successor state for concessions granted by Ottoman authorities. The Courts of Palestine and Great Britain decided that title to the properties shown on the Ottoman Civil list had been ceded to the government of Palestine as an allied successor state.[25]

State of Palestine: Difference between revisions - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

"The Treaty of Lausanne..."

How did I know that was coming?

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is about you spreading information out of context. (Disinformation/Intentional Misinformation)

You posted those sentences, so...

(COMMENT)

Yes, I posted them, I did not cherry-pick them to apply out of context. I also posted the official legal interpretation for clarification.

It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice

(COMMENT)

This is totally wrong. In fact, all you got right was the name of the case.

What did Series A, Judgement #5, actually say? This case was about whether or not His Majesty's Government liable and responsibility for work (labor and materials) contracted under the previous
government.

​

The two key phrases of the Judgment, only in the context of how the PCIJ viewed the authority and responsibility, said:

◈ "His Britannic Majesty's Government, in its capacity as the Mandatory Power for Palestine, since the year 1921, "...​

​

◈ "the Government of Palestine and consequently also the Government of His Britannic Majesty have, since 1921..." ​

The PCIJ established that the → "Government of His Britannic Majesty" the → "Mandatory Power for Palestine" and the → "Government of Palestine" are all the same tree of governance and responsibility.
FOR the ACTUAL SOURCE: See The Government of the Greek Republic, represented by H.E. M. Kapsambelis, Greek Minister at The Hagiics, His Britannic Majesty's Government, represented by R. V. Vernon Esq., C.B.. of the Colonial Office, pg 7, 26 March 1925.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is about you spreading information out of context. (Disinformation/Intentional Misinformation)

You posted those sentences, so...

(COMMENT)

Yes, I posted them, I did not cherry-pick them to apply out of context. I also posted the official legal interpretation for clarification.

It was decided that Palestine and Transjordan were newly created states according to the terms of the applicable post-war treaties. In its Judgment No. 5, The Mavrommatis Palestine Concessions, the Permanent Court of International Justice

(COMMENT)

This is totally wrong. In fact, all you got right was the name of the case.

What did Series A, Judgement #5, actually say? This case was about whether or not His Majesty's Government liable and responsibility for work (labor and materials) contracted under the previous
government.

View attachment 328844
​

The two key phrases of the Judgment, only in the context of how the PCIJ viewed the authority and responsibility, said:

◈ "His Britannic Majesty's Government, in its capacity as the Mandatory Power for Palestine, since the year 1921, "...​

​

◈ "the Government of Palestine and consequently also the Government of His Britannic Majesty have, since 1921..." ​

The PCIJ established that the → "Government of His Britannic Majesty" the → "Mandatory Power for Palestine" and the → "Government of Palestine" are all the same tree of governance and responsibility.
FOR the ACTUAL SOURCE: See The Government of the Greek Republic, represented by H.E. M. Kapsambelis, Greek Minister at The Hagiics, His Britannic Majesty's Government, represented by R. V. Vernon Esq., C.B.. of the Colonial Office, pg 7, 26 March 1925.

Most Respectfully,
R

Britain was the trustee for Palestine and was responsible to handle Palestine's affairs.

So what are you trying to say here?

 

[P F Tinmore]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is also misleading propaganda.

1. Palestine is the name of the country.
2. Palestine has defined boundaries.
3. The Palestinians are the natives.
4. The Palestinians are the citizens of Palestine.
5. The Palestinians, in Palestine, have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.
6. The Mandatory must act in the best interest of the natives.
7. The Mandatory must render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence.
8. The Mandatory did not acquire sovereignty over the territory.

(KEY REFERENCEs)

◈ (1) Palestine Order in LoN Council - (10 August 1922)​

​

◈ (2) Memo No. 52/195/48 A/AC.21/UK/42 25 February 1948 Legal Meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate”​

​

◈ (3) UNPC as Successor Government of Palestine/UK memorandum - UN Press Release (27 February 1948)​

​

◈ (4) 2012 UN Memo Regarding A/RES/67/19 on the Status of "Palestine" in the UN​

​

◈ (5) A/RES/43/177 Question of Palestine - 15 December 1988​

​

◈ (6) The Mandate for Palestine - 12 August 1922​

​

◈ (7) The League of Nations Covenant 1919 - 1946​

(COMMENT as related to Issues 1 thru 7 by P F Tinmore, member: 21837 )

1. During the period 1922 thru May 1948 the meaning of the name "Palestine" was the name of the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. (See Reference 1 Palestine Order in Council) "Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. (See Reference 3) After May 1948, "Palestine" was treated as an "entity." "Palestine" was not identified as a state or a country nor could its authorities be identified as a Government. (See Reference 4)

2. "Palestine," as a Civil Administration established by the UK, obligated the Mandatory (the UK), to assume the role of a Government for the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Mandatory. (See Reference 6 The Mandate for Palestine)

NOTE: The boundaries as affixed by the Mandatory:

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.​

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.​

3. Whether it is true or not, and over what period, is irrelevant. A territorial name associated with a population within is not a basis for the claim. I was born in Appalachia; it is a 205,000 square-mile region with a population of 25 million people. But I do not hold my citizenship there. The size of the territory, formerly the Mandate for Palestine, the portion west of the Jordan River, and stretching to the Mediterranean Sea is only ≈10,000 square-mile region.

4. Today, the meaning of "Citizens of Palestine" is still under debate. Between December 1988 and December 2012, the term "Palestine" was used in place of the "Palestine Liberation Organization" (PLO). (See Reference 4)

5a. Irrelevant. I have the right to a Million Dollars. That does not obligate anyone to give me a Million Dollars.

5b. The Jewish People in Palestine, have the right to self-determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity. The Jewish People worked for what they have and cooperated to acquire it. What a difference it made in the outcome.

6. The Mandate states that "nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." The Mandate does not say the "best interest." IF, as the Arab Palestinians, as they have so many times before, rejected the opportunity to participate in the establishment of self-governing institutions, THEN the Arab Palestinians are allowed to so allow to fritter-away their opportunities → so be it.

7. Mandatory must Render administrative assistance and advice: Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. All overtures were rejected by the Arab Higher Committee.

◈ The Covenant specifically states that "there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples." The "well being and development" is what?​

​

◈ The Covenant specifically states that "tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources," What is the alternative when "such people" reject tutelage?​

​

◈ Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The Covenant does not specify which "communities" - "have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised." But apparently the Emir of Transjordania was so recognized and treated distinctly different from the remainder (that west of the Jordan River) of the Mandate.​

(SUMMATION View attachment 328737)

The "Questions of Palestine," as presented by P F Tinmore is really explained in the first 4 Key References (supra). Everything else is fluff until the question of post-December 2012 status is resolved.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is a lot of mud here.

Is colonialism a legitimate way to form a government and a state?

 

[Hollie]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is also misleading propaganda.

1. Palestine is the name of the country.
2. Palestine has defined boundaries.
3. The Palestinians are the natives.
4. The Palestinians are the citizens of Palestine.
5. The Palestinians, in Palestine, have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.
6. The Mandatory must act in the best interest of the natives.
7. The Mandatory must render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence.
8. The Mandatory did not acquire sovereignty over the territory.

(KEY REFERENCEs)

◈ (1) Palestine Order in LoN Council - (10 August 1922)​

​

◈ (2) Memo No. 52/195/48 A/AC.21/UK/42 25 February 1948 Legal Meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate”​

​

◈ (3) UNPC as Successor Government of Palestine/UK memorandum - UN Press Release (27 February 1948)​

​

◈ (4) 2012 UN Memo Regarding A/RES/67/19 on the Status of "Palestine" in the UN​

​

◈ (5) A/RES/43/177 Question of Palestine - 15 December 1988​

​

◈ (6) The Mandate for Palestine - 12 August 1922​

​

◈ (7) The League of Nations Covenant 1919 - 1946​

(COMMENT as related to Issues 1 thru 7 by P F Tinmore, member: 21837 )

1. During the period 1922 thru May 1948 the meaning of the name "Palestine" was the name of the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. (See Reference 1 Palestine Order in Council) "Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. (See Reference 3) After May 1948, "Palestine" was treated as an "entity." "Palestine" was not identified as a state or a country nor could its authorities be identified as a Government. (See Reference 4)

2. "Palestine," as a Civil Administration established by the UK, obligated the Mandatory (the UK), to assume the role of a Government for the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Mandatory. (See Reference 6 The Mandate for Palestine)

NOTE: The boundaries as affixed by the Mandatory:

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.​

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.​

3. Whether it is true or not, and over what period, is irrelevant. A territorial name associated with a population within is not a basis for the claim. I was born in Appalachia; it is a 205,000 square-mile region with a population of 25 million people. But I do not hold my citizenship there. The size of the territory, formerly the Mandate for Palestine, the portion west of the Jordan River, and stretching to the Mediterranean Sea is only ≈10,000 square-mile region.

4. Today, the meaning of "Citizens of Palestine" is still under debate. Between December 1988 and December 2012, the term "Palestine" was used in place of the "Palestine Liberation Organization" (PLO). (See Reference 4)

5a. Irrelevant. I have the right to a Million Dollars. That does not obligate anyone to give me a Million Dollars.

5b. The Jewish People in Palestine, have the right to self-determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity. The Jewish People worked for what they have and cooperated to acquire it. What a difference it made in the outcome.

6. The Mandate states that "nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." The Mandate does not say the "best interest." IF, as the Arab Palestinians, as they have so many times before, rejected the opportunity to participate in the establishment of self-governing institutions, THEN the Arab Palestinians are allowed to so allow to fritter-away their opportunities → so be it.

7. Mandatory must Render administrative assistance and advice: Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. All overtures were rejected by the Arab Higher Committee.

◈ The Covenant specifically states that "there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples." The "well being and development" is what?​

​

◈ The Covenant specifically states that "tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources," What is the alternative when "such people" reject tutelage?​

​

◈ Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The Covenant does not specify which "communities" - "have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised." But apparently the Emir of Transjordania was so recognized and treated distinctly different from the remainder (that west of the Jordan River) of the Mandate.​

(SUMMATION View attachment 328737)

The "Questions of Palestine," as presented by P F Tinmore is really explained in the first 4 Key References (supra). Everything else is fluff until the question of post-December 2012 status is resolved.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is a lot of mud here.

Is colonialism a legitimate way to form a government and a state?

That oft-used slogan of yours is just a usual side-step.

Your suffering from hurt feelings. Everyone gets that. That's no reason to spam the thread with continued nonsense slogans.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is also misleading propaganda.

1. Palestine is the name of the country.
2. Palestine has defined boundaries.
3. The Palestinians are the natives.
4. The Palestinians are the citizens of Palestine.
5. The Palestinians, in Palestine, have the right to self determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity.
6. The Mandatory must act in the best interest of the natives.
7. The Mandatory must render administrative assistance and advice to bring Palestine to independence.
8. The Mandatory did not acquire sovereignty over the territory.

(KEY REFERENCEs)

◈ (1) Palestine Order in LoN Council - (10 August 1922)​

​

◈ (2) Memo No. 52/195/48 A/AC.21/UK/42 25 February 1948 Legal Meaning of the “Termination of the Mandate”​

​

◈ (3) UNPC as Successor Government of Palestine/UK memorandum - UN Press Release (27 February 1948)​

​

◈ (4) 2012 UN Memo Regarding A/RES/67/19 on the Status of "Palestine" in the UN​

​

◈ (5) A/RES/43/177 Question of Palestine - 15 December 1988​

​

◈ (6) The Mandate for Palestine - 12 August 1922​

​

◈ (7) The League of Nations Covenant 1919 - 1946​

(COMMENT as related to Issues 1 thru 7 by P F Tinmore, member: 21837 )

1. During the period 1922 thru May 1948 the meaning of the name "Palestine" was the name of the territories to which the Mandate for Palestine applied. (See Reference 1 Palestine Order in Council) "Palestine is today a legal entity but it is not a sovereign state. (See Reference 3) After May 1948, "Palestine" was treated as an "entity." "Palestine" was not identified as a state or a country nor could its authorities be identified as a Government. (See Reference 4)

2. "Palestine," as a Civil Administration established by the UK, obligated the Mandatory (the UK), to assume the role of a Government for the territory of Palestine, which formerly belonged to the Turkish Empire, within such boundaries as may be fixed by the Mandatory. (See Reference 6 The Mandate for Palestine)

NOTE: The boundaries as affixed by the Mandatory:

Palestine lies on the western edge of the continent of Asia between latitude 30° N. and 33° N., Longitude 34° 30 E. and 35° 30' E.​

On the south it is bounded by Egyptian and Saudi Arabian territory, on the east by Trans-Jordan, on the north by the French Mandated Territories of Syria and the Lebanon, and on the west by the Mediterranean.​

3. Whether it is true or not, and over what period, is irrelevant. A territorial name associated with a population within is not a basis for the claim. I was born in Appalachia; it is a 205,000 square-mile region with a population of 25 million people. But I do not hold my citizenship there. The size of the territory, formerly the Mandate for Palestine, the portion west of the Jordan River, and stretching to the Mediterranean Sea is only ≈10,000 square-mile region.

4. Today, the meaning of "Citizens of Palestine" is still under debate. Between December 1988 and December 2012, the term "Palestine" was used in place of the "Palestine Liberation Organization" (PLO). (See Reference 4)

5a. Irrelevant. I have the right to a Million Dollars. That does not obligate anyone to give me a Million Dollars.

5b. The Jewish People in Palestine, have the right to self-determination without external interference, the right to independence and sovereignty, and the right to territorial integrity. The Jewish People worked for what they have and cooperated to acquire it. What a difference it made in the outcome.

6. The Mandate states that "nothing should be done which might prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country." The Mandate does not say the "best interest." IF, as the Arab Palestinians, as they have so many times before, rejected the opportunity to participate in the establishment of self-governing institutions, THEN the Arab Palestinians are allowed to so allow to fritter-away their opportunities → so be it.

7. Mandatory must Render administrative assistance and advice: Later in 1923, a third attempt was made to establish an institution through which the Arab population of Palestine could be brought into cooperation with the government. All overtures were rejected by the Arab Higher Committee.

◈ The Covenant specifically states that "there should be applied the principle that the well-being and development of such peoples." The "well being and development" is what?​

​

◈ The Covenant specifically states that "tutelage of such peoples should be entrusted to advanced nations who by reason of their resources," What is the alternative when "such people" reject tutelage?​

​

◈ Certain communities formerly belonging to the Turkish Empire have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised subject to the rendering of administrative advice and assistance by a Mandatory until such time as they are able to stand alone. The Covenant does not specify which "communities" - "have reached a stage of development where their existence as independent nations can be provisionally recognised." But apparently the Emir of Transjordania was so recognized and treated distinctly different from the remainder (that west of the Jordan River) of the Mandate.​

(SUMMATION View attachment 328737)

The "Questions of Palestine," as presented by P F Tinmore is really explained in the first 4 Key References (supra). Everything else is fluff until the question of post-December 2012 status is resolved.

Most Respectfully,
R

There is a lot of mud here.

Is colonialism a legitimate way to form a government and a state?

Is colonialism a legitimate way to form a government and a state?

Good point, all the Muslims should move to Saudi Arabia.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: Who Are The Palestinians? Part 2
⁜→ P F Tinmore, et al,

BLUF: This is NOT relevant. A "Mandatory" and a "Trustee" are two different kinds of responsibility.

Britain was the trustee for Palestine and was responsible to handle Palestine's affairs.

So what are you trying to say here?

(COMMENT)

The Mandate System assigned by the League of Nations was replaced by the Trustee System of the United Nations. They are not the same thing. The terms "trustee" and "mandatory" are not interchangeable. The territory formerly under the Mandate of Palestine ended with the unilateral termination by the United Kingdom.

Most Respectfully,
R

From the Dictionary of Modern Legal Usage, 2nd Ed. Copyright © 1987,1996 by Bryan A. Gamer

◈ trustee, n. A. And trusty. Trustee = a person who, having a nominal title to property, holds it in trust for the benefit of one or more others, the beneficiaries.​

​

◈ mandatory; mandatary. Horwill wrote in the 1930s that mandatory—frequently used in AmE—is uncommon in England, and that obligatory and compulsory are more common. The latter two terms may still be predominant, but mandatory injunction is now a common phrase in English law reports. The three words—mandatory, obligatory, and compulsory—are close synonyms.​

 

[Hollie]

The Pal-Arabs have produced another animated snuff film geared toward children.

Palestinian propaganda aimed at children depicts real-life terror attacks

The video, which has been shared on TikTok, an app popular with children, encourages terrorism by linking it with the State of Palestine.

www.jpost.com

An animated video glorifying real-life terror attacks by Palestinians against Israelis has been shared on the social media app TikTok, which is popular with children.



The minute-long video depicts an eagle flying alongside four terrorists as they carry out murderous attacks, all of which are based on real-life events, according to Palestinian Media Watch (PMW), which unearthed the video.

 

[Hollie]

Islamic terrorism carries consequences.