Who Generally Votes In Mid-Terms?,Very Angry&Anti-Establishment Americans.

[Darkwind]

A socialist way of doing things would be nationalizing the banks! not bailing them out. The affordable care act is not socialist because it is not a single-payer system.

Two things. Well, there are more, but lets not overload your ability to process a concept.

1. When you privatize profits that are then used to create law which benefits you (banks), while publicizing risk (the taxpayer paying for all losses) it is very much socialistic in nature.

2. Do not confuse a failure to achieve total socialism as a definition that they are not socialist.

You missed the point completely...but if you are done going on a tangent.
Let me more clearly display Obamas neo-liberal actions
Obamacare does not solve the healthcare problem but entangles it behind an insane amount of red tape that only benefits healthcare providers. It forces poor people to buy healthcare with no incentive to change how healthcare providers provide that healthcare.

The difference between nationalizing banks and bailing them out? simple. When you bail them out you are saving the company, that is government intervention to save private companies, that is far-right capitalism. Nationalizing the banks would put them under government control which is socialist in nature.

Who owns the politicians?

Nice try however.........

When you apply the force of government to anything, you get two definitions...


Socialism or fascism. You're free to pick whichever one you want.

Have a nice day.

 

[ScienceRocks]

We need to strike a balance between government and the private market....The hybrid system with private sector producing the cash and the government regulating it.

 

[Xarm]

Two things. Well, there are more, but lets not overload your ability to process a concept.

1. When you privatize profits that are then used to create law which benefits you (banks), while publicizing risk (the taxpayer paying for all losses) it is very much socialistic in nature.

2. Do not confuse a failure to achieve total socialism as a definition that they are not socialist.

You missed the point completely...but if you are done going on a tangent.
Let me more clearly display Obamas neo-liberal actions
Obamacare does not solve the healthcare problem but entangles it behind an insane amount of red tape that only benefits healthcare providers. It forces poor people to buy healthcare with no incentive to change how healthcare providers provide that healthcare.

The difference between nationalizing banks and bailing them out? simple. When you bail them out you are saving the company, that is government intervention to save private companies, that is far-right capitalism. Nationalizing the banks would put them under government control which is socialist in nature.

Who owns the politicians?

Nice try however.........

When you apply the force of government to anything, you get two definitions...


Socialism or fascism. You're free to pick whichever one you want.

Have a nice day.

Your right that any form of government can fall into the hands of the few but currently we have a push for fascism in the united states.

 

[The T]

No government coercion? you mean anarchy? I recommend you use basic debate skills before typing anything...ever again.

How did anarchy enter into this unless you mean Obama and the Statists have introduced it into the fray by their strangling policies regarding the free market and capitalism, and killing it?

For surely if they keep it up? That's exactly what they'll have. ANARCHY...

The free market is flawed because of human nature, very little in this world should be privatized because it is EVERYBODY'S earth not just yours. The free market breeds class warfare, which breeds worker slavery in which man is alienated from himself.

I see Mr. Stalin, or was that Chairman Mao?

 

[Darkwind]

How did anarchy enter into this unless you mean Obama and the Statists have introduced it into the fray by their strangling policies regarding the free market and capitalism, and killing it?

For surely if they keep it up? That's exactly what they'll have. ANARCHY...

The free market is flawed because of human nature, very little in this world should be privatized because it is EVERYBODY'S earth not just yours. The free market breeds class warfare, which breeds worker slavery in which man is alienated from himself.

I see Mr. Stalin, or was that Chairman Mao?

We're wasting our time. I just discovered that it thinks that Obama is conservative.

I don't have time to deal with people who aren't lucid.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

I am blown away by the consistent use of the word "socialism" in this forum. Obama has done nothing that is remotely socialist in his entire presidency he has consistently been reactionary, bailed out banks, forcing people to buy healthcare(which I may add is increasingly capitalist I.e. forcing people into the market).

Bailing out Wall Street was very socialist.

As is ObamaCare.

A socialist way of doing things would be nationalizing the banks! not bailing them out. The affordable care act is not socialist because it is not a single-payer system.

Nationalization of the banking system = Federal Reserve Bank, learn how the banking system in the U.S. works before making another ignorant statement.

Socialist healthcare = ACA. Pre-cursor to single payer system. Passing a law REQUIRING health insurance companies to accept consumers with pre-existing conditions results in everyone's cost to rise if they are all kept in the same group (spreading the burden). Those that cannot financially afford are then given a tax payer funded stipend in order to afford the higher premium cost, again spreading the financial burden. Read your Webster definition of socialism and then use a few brain cells to imagine how that theory is practically applied and you will see that the ACA is socialist healthcare.

a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

 

[Nyvin]

Bailing out Wall Street was very socialist.

As is ObamaCare.

A socialist way of doing things would be nationalizing the banks! not bailing them out. The affordable care act is not socialist because it is not a single-payer system.

Nationalization of the banking system = Federal Reserve Bank, learn how the banking system in the U.S. works before making another ignorant statement.

Socialist healthcare = ACA. Pre-cursor to single payer system. Passing a law REQUIRING health insurance companies to accept consumers with pre-existing conditions results in everyone's cost to rise if they are all kept in the same group (spreading the burden). Those that cannot financially afford are then given a tax payer funded stipend in order to afford the higher premium cost, again spreading the financial burden. Read your Webster definition of socialism and then use a few brain cells to imagine how that theory is practically applied and you will see that the ACA is socialist healthcare.

a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

Yes the ACA has a tone of socialism in it.

So does the Police Force

So does most Fire Departments

So does the Postal Service

So do public Libraries

So does mandatory ER care

So do interstate highway systems

So does FDIC insurance

There's actually a LOT of socialism in modern day nations. The word "Socialist" is just so vilified by modern day corporatist that it's practically become taboo. Being socialist...by itself...is not a bad thing.

If you want a "every man for himself, dog eat dog" place to live....go live in Somalia.

 

[TheSeventhTiger]

i see 2014 as the most anticipated "Cant Wait To Vote" movement, just like in 2010. people vote their pockets/savings, ect. it seems that most or half of americans are living paycheck to paycheck, terrified of any interruption of their income. I am the same way,at least I can sell my condo god forbid something happens, but what about all the millions who don't own anything and lose their income?

 

[LTCArmyRet]

A socialist way of doing things would be nationalizing the banks! not bailing them out. The affordable care act is not socialist because it is not a single-payer system.

Nationalization of the banking system = Federal Reserve Bank, learn how the banking system in the U.S. works before making another ignorant statement.

Socialist healthcare = ACA. Pre-cursor to single payer system. Passing a law REQUIRING health insurance companies to accept consumers with pre-existing conditions results in everyone's cost to rise if they are all kept in the same group (spreading the burden). Those that cannot financially afford are then given a tax payer funded stipend in order to afford the higher premium cost, again spreading the financial burden. Read your Webster definition of socialism and then use a few brain cells to imagine how that theory is practically applied and you will see that the ACA is socialist healthcare.

a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

Yes the ACA has a tone of socialism in it.

So does the Police Force

So does most Fire Departments

So does the Postal Service

So do public Libraries

So does mandatory ER care

So do interstate highway systems

So does FDIC insurance

There's actually a LOT of socialism in modern day nations. The word "Socialist" is just so vilified by modern day corporatist that it's practically become taboo. Being socialist...by itself...is not a bad thing.

If you want a "every man for himself, dog eat dog" place to live....go live in Somalia.

You missed the point completely!!! You missed the most important part of all those entities you listed, they are not industries! The health care industry represented 6% of the GDP.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The tea party stands for what is wrong with this nation.
-Hates educating our children
-Hates funding science and R@d that advances our nation
-Hates caring for granny and disabled people
-Doesn't do anything besides say no to every thing out of a rage of anger...NO infrastructure, no science or anything as it only cares about greed of the one percent. FUCK 100+ years of history showing that it just doesn't work this way.

Time to wake up and look at countries like South Korea, Taiwan or Germany to understand why they're just wrong.

 

[The T]

The free market is flawed because of human nature, very little in this world should be privatized because it is EVERYBODY'S earth not just yours. The free market breeds class warfare, which breeds worker slavery in which man is alienated from himself.

I see Mr. Stalin, or was that Chairman Mao?

We're wasting our time. I just discovered that it thinks that Obama is conservative.

I don't have time to deal with people who aren't lucid.

Agreed. WE can only save, the savable. (And there aren't too many around here as of late).

 

[Nyvin]

Nationalization of the banking system = Federal Reserve Bank, learn how the banking system in the U.S. works before making another ignorant statement.

Socialist healthcare = ACA. Pre-cursor to single payer system. Passing a law REQUIRING health insurance companies to accept consumers with pre-existing conditions results in everyone's cost to rise if they are all kept in the same group (spreading the burden). Those that cannot financially afford are then given a tax payer funded stipend in order to afford the higher premium cost, again spreading the financial burden. Read your Webster definition of socialism and then use a few brain cells to imagine how that theory is practically applied and you will see that the ACA is socialist healthcare.

a way of organizing a society in which major industries are owned and controlled by the government rather than by individual people and companies

Yes the ACA has a tone of socialism in it.

So does the Police Force

So does most Fire Departments

So does the Postal Service

So do public Libraries

So does mandatory ER care

So do interstate highway systems

So does FDIC insurance

There's actually a LOT of socialism in modern day nations. The word "Socialist" is just so vilified by modern day corporatist that it's practically become taboo. Being socialist...by itself...is not a bad thing.

If you want a "every man for himself, dog eat dog" place to live....go live in Somalia.

You missed the point completely!!! You missed the most important part of all those entities you listed, they are not industries! The health care industry represented 6% of the GDP.

Banks aren't industries? Road Construction isn't an industry?

Is the purpose of health care to generate a profit? Does health care create net wealth? No. Of course not. Most other developed nations realized this a long time ago (most as in all others except the USA...) and we're the caboose at the end finally inching our way to the modern age.

Socialism, whether in entities or industry, is not a bad thing.

While we're at it, oh look....health care cost inflation hits historic low...hmm, wonder why, oh yeah, ACA.

Health inflation hits historic low. A victory for Obamacare?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Tea partiers don't have a clue how our business regulation and hybrid system works.

Or they just hate it as their one percent can't charge 1,000,000 dollars per day for enough power to run your computer.

 

[TheSeventhTiger]

i just wanna go back to the 90's. when we were all happy and making money!

 

[The T]

Yes the ACA has a tone of socialism in it.

So does the Police Force

So does most Fire Departments

So does the Postal Service

So do public Libraries

So does mandatory ER care

So do interstate highway systems

So does FDIC insurance

There's actually a LOT of socialism in modern day nations. The word "Socialist" is just so vilified by modern day corporatist that it's practically become taboo. Being socialist...by itself...is not a bad thing.

If you want a "every man for himself, dog eat dog" place to live....go live in Somalia.

You missed the point completely!!! You missed the most important part of all those entities you listed, they are not industries! The health care industry represented 6% of the GDP.

Banks aren't industries? Road Construction isn't an industry?

Is the purpose of health care to generate a profit? Does health care create net wealth? No. Of course not. Most other developed nations realized this a long time ago (most as in all others except the USA...) and we're the caboose at the end finally inching our way to the modern age.

Socialism, whether in entities or industry, is not a bad thing.

While we're at it, oh look....health care cost inflation hits historic low...hmm, wonder why, oh yeah, ACA.

Health inflation hits historic low. A victory for Obamacare?

About damned time you outed yourself. You have no fucking clue what you're talking about. You are an apologist for failure.

 

[JakeStarkey]

I am blown away by the consistent use of the word "socialism" in this forum. Obama has done nothing that is remotely socialist in his entire presidency he has consistently been reactionary, bailed out banks, forcing people to buy healthcare(which I may add is increasingly capitalist I.e. forcing people into the market).

Bailing out Wall Street was very socialist.

As is ObamaCare.

Government-corporate fascism, perhaps. Not socialism at all.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"When you apply the force of government to anything, you get two definitions... Socialism or fascism."

Which were the Founders?

 

[ScienceRocks]

A greedy fat cat!!!!

 

[TheSeventhTiger]

and to think there was once a time when we were getting 7-10 offers for credit cards every week!, I admit, i charged a little too much,,,,never again! I don't owe much to credit cards.

 

[LTCArmyRet]

Yes the ACA has a tone of socialism in it.

So does the Police Force

So does most Fire Departments

So does the Postal Service

So do public Libraries

So does mandatory ER care

So do interstate highway systems

So does FDIC insurance

There's actually a LOT of socialism in modern day nations. The word "Socialist" is just so vilified by modern day corporatist that it's practically become taboo. Being socialist...by itself...is not a bad thing.

If you want a "every man for himself, dog eat dog" place to live....go live in Somalia.

You missed the point completely!!! You missed the most important part of all those entities you listed, they are not industries! The health care industry represented 6% of the GDP.

Banks aren't industries? Road Construction isn't an industry?

Is the purpose of health care to generate a profit? Does health care create net wealth? No. Of course not. Most other developed nations realized this a long time ago (most as in all others except the USA...) and we're the caboose at the end finally inching our way to the modern age.

Socialism, whether in entities or industry, is not a bad thing.

While we're at it, oh look....health care cost inflation hits historic low...hmm, wonder why, oh yeah, ACA.

Health inflation hits historic low. A victory for Obamacare?

Get shot down, change your tune, I see how you play your game. You didn't say banking industry, you listed FDIC insurance, big difference. You listed interstate road system, not road construction, big difference. But to answer your question, no, those are not "industries". Quit while your ahead, you know nothing of economics, much less what an industry is.

And pardon me if I call bullshit on your statement about "health care inflation". There is no such thing, there is just inflation.