Why are the republicans wrong about "Obamacare"?

[Oldstyle]

Apparently, only republicans dislike Obamacare. Since most of the country dislikes Obamacare then most of the country must be republican. Is this the newest theory among the koolaid drinkers? I hate to break the news but this is not a partisan hate thing. This is a majority of americans who continue to dislike Obamacare being accused of racism and ignorance because there is no real defense for the passing of an unread and unpopular law that has helped stagnate a bad economy and requires a corrupt and politicized IRS to enforce this same law.

The law wasn't unread. It was written, therefore, someone must have read it.

It was passed by a democratically elected congress and signed by a democratically elected president.

There is no evidence whatsoever that it has stagnated the economy.

The IRS is not corrupt or politicized.

Have you read the law? Did you ever read it? Let's be honest here, Smilo...almost nobody read the Affordable Care Act because it was over 35,000 pages long. It's a Frankenstein's monster of a bill...assembled behind closed doors and stitched together in an effort to garner enough votes to pass it, then rushed through before the GOP had the votes to stop it after the Democrats had their asses handed to them in the 2010 mid-terms BECAUSE in large part the American people were unhappy about the passage of ObamaCare. Saying it was passed by a democratically elected Congress is technically correct but it ignores the fact that a majority of the American people didn't want this legislation and elected Republicans in record numbers because of it.

Stating the IRS is not corrupt or politicized after doing what they just did is wishful thinking on your part. The truth is, the IRS was corrupted and it was politicized. The only question remaining is by whom and how high up in the Obama Administration did knowledge of it go.

 

[Greenbeard]

Every state requested approval to expand Medicaid. The states that did not expand is not because the governor didn't want to expand Medicaid.

You're partly right--in some cases, it's because the legislature doesn't want to expand Medicaid. But in many cases, it is in fact the governor that opposes expansion.

Republicans actually proposed a lot of good ideas. Like allowing cross border policies ...

So that's how those got in there!

Have you read the law? Did you ever read it? Let's be honest here, Smilo...almost nobody read the Affordable Care Act because it was over 35,000 pages long.

It's actually about 950 pages long. With very large page margins.

 

[Oldstyle]

We're both wrong...it's around 10,000 pages long. What you posted was the condensed version of the bill not the full bill. Pardon my hyperbole. My point however remains the same...nobody KNEW what they were voting for when this thing was pushed through the Congress ahead of the new crop of Republicans taking their seats and it was passed amidst a blizzard of deliberate misinformation about what it's actual costs would be and how it would REALLY effect Americans.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Apparently, only republicans dislike Obamacare. Since most of the country dislikes Obamacare then most of the country must be republican. Is this the newest theory among the koolaid drinkers? I hate to break the news but this is not a partisan hate thing. This is a majority of americans who continue to dislike Obamacare being accused of racism and ignorance because there is no real defense for the passing of an unread and unpopular law that has helped stagnate a bad economy and requires a corrupt and politicized IRS to enforce this same law.

The law wasn't unread. It was written, therefore, someone must have read it.

It was passed by a democratically elected congress and signed by a democratically elected president.

There is no evidence whatsoever that it has stagnated the economy.

The IRS is not corrupt or politicized.

obamacare was never read. Not even by the people who wrote it. obamacare was written by several interested groups who had no idea what the other groups were writing. The entire document has since been read, after it was passed. Now we know how bad it is.

Nancy Pelosi said we have to pass it in order to know what's in it. What she meant was that obamacare was compiled and no one would know what all the different compilations said unless it was passed.

How can someone write something without reading what they wrote?

Explain please.

 

[Smilodonfatalis]

Apparently, only republicans dislike Obamacare. Since most of the country dislikes Obamacare then most of the country must be republican. Is this the newest theory among the koolaid drinkers? I hate to break the news but this is not a partisan hate thing. This is a majority of americans who continue to dislike Obamacare being accused of racism and ignorance because there is no real defense for the passing of an unread and unpopular law that has helped stagnate a bad economy and requires a corrupt and politicized IRS to enforce this same law.

The law wasn't unread. It was written, therefore, someone must have read it.

It was passed by a democratically elected congress and signed by a democratically elected president.

There is no evidence whatsoever that it has stagnated the economy.

The IRS is not corrupt or politicized.

Have you read the law? Did you ever read it? Let's be honest here, Smilo...almost nobody read the Affordable Care Act because it was over 35,000 pages long. It's a Frankenstein's monster of a bill...assembled behind closed doors and stitched together in an effort to garner enough votes to pass it, then rushed through before the GOP had the votes to stop it after the Democrats had their asses handed to them in the 2010 mid-terms BECAUSE in large part the American people were unhappy about the passage of ObamaCare. Saying it was passed by a democratically elected Congress is technically correct but it ignores the fact that a majority of the American people didn't want this legislation and elected Republicans in record numbers because of it.

Stating the IRS is not corrupt or politicized after doing what they just did is wishful thinking on your part. The truth is, the IRS was corrupted and it was politicized. The only question remaining is by whom and how high up in the Obama Administration did knowledge of it go.

Of course I wouldn't read that boring crap.

What evidence do you have that the IRS was corrupted an politicized?

None.

 

[Oldstyle]

The law wasn't unread. It was written, therefore, someone must have read it.

It was passed by a democratically elected congress and signed by a democratically elected president.

There is no evidence whatsoever that it has stagnated the economy.

The IRS is not corrupt or politicized.

Have you read the law? Did you ever read it? Let's be honest here, Smilo...almost nobody read the Affordable Care Act because it was over 35,000 pages long. It's a Frankenstein's monster of a bill...assembled behind closed doors and stitched together in an effort to garner enough votes to pass it, then rushed through before the GOP had the votes to stop it after the Democrats had their asses handed to them in the 2010 mid-terms BECAUSE in large part the American people were unhappy about the passage of ObamaCare. Saying it was passed by a democratically elected Congress is technically correct but it ignores the fact that a majority of the American people didn't want this legislation and elected Republicans in record numbers because of it.

Stating the IRS is not corrupt or politicized after doing what they just did is wishful thinking on your part. The truth is, the IRS was corrupted and it was politicized. The only question remaining is by whom and how high up in the Obama Administration did knowledge of it go.

Of course I wouldn't read that boring crap.

What evidence do you have that the IRS was corrupted an politicized?

None.

Are you serious? The very fact that they felt the need to apologize for their actions tells you that there is AMPLE evidence that the IRS was corrupted and politicized! You just don't want to admit it because it was something that was done by progressives and you're scared to death that it's going to be traced back to the Obama White House.

 

[Oldstyle]

This ongoing attempt by progressives here to deny that the progressives they sent to the Oval Office twice now, abused the powers that they were given is almost farce. You elected Chicago Machine Politicians! That's who Barack Obama IS despite his constant deification from the Left! When you elect Chicago Machine Politicians then you shouldn't be shocked when they use Chicago Machine politics while in office.

 

[dblack]

Republicans are wrong about "Obamacare" because they are fixated on the mistaken notion that it's part of a socialist agenda. It's not. It's a corporatist agenda that creates a fiefdom of mandated customers and hands it over to a cartel of insurance companies. It's 'capitalist' only in the sense that it hands over control to for-profit companies.

But it moves us further away from free-market health care, and further away freedom. It cuts off at the knees any attempt to move beyond the failed group insurance model for financing health care, enshrining it as a permanent fixture via a federal regulatory regime.

 

[Claudette]

4/25/2013
Sen. Grassley’s original idea was to require all federal employees to enroll in the exchanges, instead of in the Federal Employee Health Benefits Program, where most gain coverage today. Indeed, a previous Senate Finance Committee amendment proposed putting members and staffers on Medicaid. But “fierce opposition from federal employee unions” sank Grassley’s effort, and he had to water his amendment down to only apply to Congress and congressional staff.

Staffers grumble about being stuck on the exchanges

Ever since Obamacare became law, this has been a source of grumbling among the congressional staffers I talk to. One aspect of the Grassley amendment is that it originally appeared to exempt staffers who worked for congressional committees, and congressional leadership, because those staffers didn’t work for specific Members of Congress. (My understanding is that the Office of Personnel Management has since clarified the regulations to include all staff, including committee and leadership.)

Congress, Fearing 'Brain Drain,' Seeks to Opt Out of Participating in Obamacare's Exchanges - Forbes

Kinda sorta funny how that shit works.

Those Dem idiots passed this POS bill.

Barry came out and told everyone it wasn't a tax. That is until the SC said the only way it could pass was as a tax. Now its a tax.

Of course Congress, the Prez and all those staffers are exempt from what we taxpayers, who are footing the bill for their sorry asses, are stuck with.

If its so great how come all those members of Congress and all those staffers aren't lining up just waiting to participate??

That should tell anyone all they need to know about Obamacare. Kinda telling when the fucking idiots who passed it don't want to participate in it.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

I find it hilarious when liberals begin to say how cost effective Health Care would be if only the government controlled it. They did try that very thing in Massachusetts, only to find that costs never went as planned. In fact government run MassCare still manages to remain the most expensive Health Care system in the nation. Unfortunately when you cite examples of cost, the left still carries this disillusioned notion that THIS TIME around things will be different.

March 24, 2013 -- BOSTON -- Seven years after ordering near-universal health insurance coverage for its residents, Massachusetts is still struggling to contain spiraling health care costs.

Mandating health insurance coverage for most all citizens has had little success in reining in Massachusetts' medical spending. The Boston area, for instance, remains one of the nation's costliest places to obtain health care.

"On a per capita basis, we have one of the most expensive health care systems in the country," Andrew Dreyfus, president and chief executive of Blue Cross Blue Shield of Massachusetts, told a recent conference in Boston of the Association of Health Care Journalists. "If we do nothing, we're going to bankrupt this state."


.... Massachusetts state government, which is required by law to pass a balanced budget, has experienced cuts in most other spheres of activity. But health care costs continue to grow exponentially -- squeezing other parts of the state budget and outstripping new tax revenue.

Massachusetts Healthcare Experiment Enters Second Phase - HispanicBusiness.com

 

[TakeAStepBack]

Republicans are wrong about "Obamacare" because they are fixated on the mistaken notion that it's part of a socialist agenda. It's not. It's a corporatist agenda that creates a fiefdom of mandated customers and hands it over to a cartel of insurance companies. It's 'capitalist' only in the sense that it hands over control to for-profit companies.

But it moves us further away from free-market health care, and further away freedom. It cuts off at the knees any attempt to move beyond the failed group insurance model for financing health care, enshrining it as a permanent fixture via a federal regulatory regime.

This. Only to add, that it was done the way it was deliberately to absolutely break the system and have voters begging for a single payer or universal govt. option in the future. As per Frank and a few other left aisle nutter bars.

Thats why congress is busying themselves trying to figure out how to get their assistants, aides and themselves out of it completely.

 

[Oldstyle]

All you have to really know about this is that Obama supporters are calling in political favors to exempt themselves from ObamaCare. That says it all, folks... It's going to be a fiscal atom bomb and any one who has enough clout to get an exemption is running from it to avoid the fallout.

 

[Claudette]

All you have to really know about this is that Obama supporters are calling in political favors to exempt themselves from ObamaCare. That says it all, folks... It's going to be a fiscal atom bomb and any one who has enough clout to get an exemption is running from it to avoid the fallout.

The fact that members of Congress and staffers are all trying to exit stage left should tell everyone everything they need to know about Obamacare.

Its a trainwreck and its headed our way and we can't stop it.

 

[francoHFW]

The PPM imparts no understanding of O-care, just fear mongering and bs- what you see vomited up by dupes here every day. None of those horrors actuallly happen, and Masscare and every other modern country prove it will be a success. You'll never get anything factual from Pubs (who love the scam we have now) or their dupes....

 

[Immanuel]

Republicans are wrong about "Obamacare" because they are fixated on the mistaken notion that it's part of a socialist agenda. It's not. It's a corporatist agenda that creates a fiefdom of mandated customers and hands it over to a cartel of insurance companies. It's 'capitalist' only in the sense that it hands over control to for-profit companies.

But it moves us further away from free-market health care, and further away freedom. It cuts off at the knees any attempt to move beyond the failed group insurance model for financing health care, enshrining it as a permanent fixture via a federal regulatory regime.

This. Only to add, that it was done the way it was deliberately to absolutely break the system and have voters begging for a single payer or universal govt. option in the future. As per Frank and a few other left aisle nutter bars.

Thats why congress is busying themselves trying to figure out how to get their assistants, aides and themselves out of it completely.

It was a payoff and a stabbing in the back at the same time.

Candidate Obama estimated 15-20 years before his people could fully take over the industry. This was the first step.

The greed of the Boards of Directors of insurance companies blinded them as to what is really going on. In 20 years, they will have filleted the goose that laid their golden eggs. We the citizens of this country will be the ones that get the shaft though. When Democrats take over, they will give those executives golden parachutes the likes of which have never been seen before... And our tax dollars will pay for it.

Immie

 

[Oldstyle]

The PPM imparts no understanding of O-care, just fear mongering and bs- what you see vomited up by dupes here every day. None of those horrors actuallly happen, and Masscare and every other modern country prove it will be a success. You'll never get anything factual from Pubs (who love the scam we have now) or their dupes....

Then kindly explain the fact that so many who have the political where-with-all to do so, are opting out of the program cajoling exemptions from the Obama White House. The "fact" is that it's YOU that are the dupe, Franco because you support this abomination even though it's going to be a fiasco. Why? Because Barry supported it and you blindly support whatever Obama supports.

I'll be interested to watch your reaction down the road when how bad this program really is becomes apparent. Who will you blame it on then? The Democrats OWN this, Franco! Hard to play the "it's the Pubs fault!" card at this juncture. You're stuck with ObamaCare and the damage it does to both our fiscal well being and to our health care system overall.

 

[lynn63]

According to the Congressional Budget Office the government is going to make 99 billion just on penalty fines for those that do not comply with the law. Expected total enrollment for Medicaid in 2014 will be 34 million. In 2011 there were 57 million enrolled in Medicaid so states obviously have been busy kicking millions off Medicaid.

They expect 151 million to be insured with their employer in 2014. We only have 144 million that are employed now and only 70 million currently have coverage. The uninsured is expected to increase not decrease as we have told. The government is making a killing off of all those new taxes added.

 

[Claudette]

The PPM imparts no understanding of O-care, just fear mongering and bs- what you see vomited up by dupes here every day. None of those horrors actuallly happen, and Masscare and every other modern country prove it will be a success. You'll never get anything factual from Pubs (who love the scam we have now) or their dupes....

Then kindly explain the fact that so many who have the political where-with-all to do so, are opting out of the program cajoling exemptions from the Obama White House. The "fact" is that it's YOU that are the dupe, Franco because you support this abomination even though it's going to be a fiasco. Why? Because Barry supported it and you blindly support whatever Obama supports.

I'll be interested to watch your reaction down the road when how bad this program really is becomes apparent. Who will you blame it on then? The Democrats OWN this, Franco! Hard to play the "it's the Pubs fault!" card at this juncture. You're stuck with ObamaCare and the damage it does to both our fiscal well being and to our health care system overall.

Yup. The Dems passed this POS all on their own. They all wanted to be part of that "moment in history." Pelosi had to bribe, cajole and threaten her Dems to pass that POS and they caved.

It was so unpopular with the people that most of those Dems got dumped in the 2010 elections.

They own it and the only dupes around are gonna be Franco and his pack of idiots who actually think the ACA is gonna be great.

Notice how they ignore how congress and staffers and anyone with a modicum of sense is exiting stage left on the ACA. That should tell them all they need to know about that POS bill. Of course he will ignore it till it hits him in the chops.

Talk about dupes.

 

[ShaklesOfBigGov]

The PPM imparts no understanding of O-care, just fear mongering and bs- what you see vomited up by dupes here every day. None of those horrors actuallly happen, and Masscare and every other modern country prove it will be a success. You'll never get anything factual from Pubs (who love the scam we have now) or their dupes....

I'd hardly call the debt following MassCare a success. Judging by your post, you seem to be rather lacking in the area of "facts" surrounding this issue. Perhaps you are not as knowledgeable as you'd like others to believe?

 

[ScienceRocks]

Will people still want to become doctors with Obamacare?
Will we still lead in innovation within the medical field?

These are my questions.