Why are U.S. cities the epicenter of gun violence?

[Brain357]

I have argued this for years, that guns don't people, cities kill people...and the concept bubbled to the surface once again in an article from liberal leaning Vox...that 60% of gun homicides occur in just 50 major US cities.

According to Pew Research, 58% of rural households have legal guns (and 75% of those more than one) while urban household gun ownership is at 29% (mostly consisting of just one gun per household).

Here are your links:
A gun debate compromise: let cities and rural areas pass different laws ,
Rural and urban gun owners have different experiences, views on gun policy

So, here's the two part question...if gun control is the answer...

1] Why do cities, despite a deficit of legal gun owners, represent far and away the highest threat of gun violence to their citizenry. (And, for the record, the answer it isn't poverty...both urban and rural citizens face equal poverty levels.)

2] Why are rural areas where guns are prevalent significantly safer from gun violence?

Keep in mind, this is a correlation, not a conclusion...if we are going to reduce gun violence, we must understand it's root causes. Obviously more legal guns does not equate to more gun violence, and less guns with more regulation does not equate to less gun violence...so what forces are actually at work here?

Gangs tend to be in cities.

True enough.
So why dont dems clean up their cities?

NYC is doing rather well.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

No one is out to ban guns ! You can’t anyway .

BUT, gun control makes it harder for criminals and crazies to get them.

Gun nut states have more gun crime and gun control counterparts . And that’s not even counting gun suicides .

Gun control also lowers the demand for criminals to have guns. Concealed carry is way up and violent crime also increased. More armed lawful people forces more criminals to also be armed.

Say that again.
I just want to be sure you're this stupid.

 

[Brain357]

I tend to agree with that...along with the anonymity a city inherently provides...but doesn't that make cities the problem and not guns?

There will always be increased violence in cities regardless of guns. Considering the FACT that gun crime has been dropping since the 80s, I don't see why we even need to have conversations about gun violence that imply it's some horrible epidemic.

We panic if 30 people die of the measles. In 2017, 15,000 died from guns (omitting suicides)..
That's why we imply it's a horrible epidemic.

But only in the inner cities.

We’ve had plenty of mass shootings not in inner cities.

Mass shootings are a drop in the bucket compared to inner city murders.

And still very tragic and unique to the US. Nobody else regularly has them.

 

[Brain357]

No one is out to ban guns ! You can’t anyway .

BUT, gun control makes it harder for criminals and crazies to get them.

Gun nut states have more gun crime and gun control counterparts . And that’s not even counting gun suicides .

Gun control also lowers the demand for criminals to have guns. Concealed carry is way up and violent crime also increased. More armed lawful people forces more criminals to also be armed.

Say that again.
I just want to be sure you're this stupid.

Would you rob someone unarmed?

 

[Desperado]

Minorities, ghettos and gangs

 

[Asclepias]

I tend to agree with that...along with the anonymity a city inherently provides...but doesn't that make cities the problem and not guns?

There will always be increased violence in cities regardless of guns. Considering the FACT that gun crime has been dropping since the 80s, I don't see why we even need to have conversations about gun violence that imply it's some horrible epidemic.

We panic if 30 people die of the measles. In 2017, 15,000 died from guns (omitting suicides)..
That's why we imply it's a horrible epidemic.

But only in the inner cities.

We’ve had plenty of mass shootings not in inner cities.

Mass shootings are a drop in the bucket compared to inner city murders.

Inner city shootings have been all the rage every since white people had their gangs.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

There will always be increased violence in cities regardless of guns. Considering the FACT that gun crime has been dropping since the 80s, I don't see why we even need to have conversations about gun violence that imply it's some horrible epidemic.

We panic if 30 people die of the measles. In 2017, 15,000 died from guns (omitting suicides)..
That's why we imply it's a horrible epidemic.

But only in the inner cities.

We’ve had plenty of mass shootings not in inner cities.

Mass shootings are a drop in the bucket compared to inner city murders.

And still very tragic and unique to the US. Nobody else regularly has them.

Neither do we.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

No one is out to ban guns ! You can’t anyway .

BUT, gun control makes it harder for criminals and crazies to get them.

Gun nut states have more gun crime and gun control counterparts . And that’s not even counting gun suicides .

Gun control also lowers the demand for criminals to have guns. Concealed carry is way up and violent crime also increased. More armed lawful people forces more criminals to also be armed.

Say that again.
I just want to be sure you're this stupid.

Would you rob someone unarmed?

I wouldnt rob anyone.

 

[Brain357]

We panic if 30 people die of the measles. In 2017, 15,000 died from guns (omitting suicides)..
That's why we imply it's a horrible epidemic.

But only in the inner cities.

We’ve had plenty of mass shootings not in inner cities.

Mass shootings are a drop in the bucket compared to inner city murders.

And still very tragic and unique to the US. Nobody else regularly has them.

Neither do we.

They are quite frequent here relative to anywhere else in the civilized world.

 

[OldLady]

I have argued this for years, that guns don't people, cities kill people...and the concept bubbled to the surface once again in an article from liberal leaning Vox...that 60% of gun homicides occur in just 50 major US cities.

According to Pew Research, 58% of rural households have legal guns (and 75% of those more than one) while urban household gun ownership is at 29% (mostly consisting of just one gun per household).

Here are your links:
A gun debate compromise: let cities and rural areas pass different laws ,
Rural and urban gun owners have different experiences, views on gun policy

So, here's the two part question...if gun control is the answer...

1] Why do cities, despite a deficit of legal gun owners, represent far and away the highest threat of gun violence to their citizenry. (And, for the record, the answer it isn't poverty...both urban and rural citizens face equal poverty levels.)

2] Why are rural areas where guns are prevalent significantly safer from gun violence?

Keep in mind, this is a correlation, not a conclusion...if we are going to reduce gun violence, we must understand it's root causes. Obviously more legal guns does not equate to more gun violence, and less guns with more regulation does not equate to less gun violence...so what forces are actually at work here?

Interesting question, although I wouldn't go so far as to jump to your final conclusion.

But I see you didnt offer your own.

I don't know the answer.

 

[Brain357]

No one is out to ban guns ! You can’t anyway .

BUT, gun control makes it harder for criminals and crazies to get them.

Gun nut states have more gun crime and gun control counterparts . And that’s not even counting gun suicides .

Gun control also lowers the demand for criminals to have guns. Concealed carry is way up and violent crime also increased. More armed lawful people forces more criminals to also be armed.

Say that again.
I just want to be sure you're this stupid.

Would you rob someone unarmed?

I wouldnt rob anyone.

But with lots of people armed you’d be sure to be armed if you did. And our armed also get their guns stolen at an alarming rate, helping to arm criminals.

 

[OldLady]

I have argued this for years, that guns don't people, cities kill people...and the concept bubbled to the surface once again in an article from liberal leaning Vox...that 60% of gun homicides occur in just 50 major US cities.

According to Pew Research, 58% of rural households have legal guns (and 75% of those more than one) while urban household gun ownership is at 29% (mostly consisting of just one gun per household).

Here are your links:
A gun debate compromise: let cities and rural areas pass different laws ,
Rural and urban gun owners have different experiences, views on gun policy

So, here's the two part question...if gun control is the answer...

1] Why do cities, despite a deficit of legal gun owners, represent far and away the highest threat of gun violence to their citizenry. (And, for the record, the answer it isn't poverty...both urban and rural citizens face equal poverty levels.)

2] Why are rural areas where guns are prevalent significantly safer from gun violence?

Keep in mind, this is a correlation, not a conclusion...if we are going to reduce gun violence, we must understand it's root causes. Obviously more legal guns does not equate to more gun violence, and less guns with more regulation does not equate to less gun violence...so what forces are actually at work here?

1.) illegal gun ownership also known as the for political gain injection of illegal weapons into Leftist doctrine of race and class warfare in practice on many of those streets.

2.) Responsible, legal gun ownership backed by hunter safety courses, etc., a take no shit attitude for pride in home and community. Self policing, responsible land ownership . . . on an on.

It ain't all the Waltons out here. Dig a little deeper into reality for an answer.

What exactly does that have to do with city folk killing each other?

Read the post I was replying to, and get the fuck off my back.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Aren't the cities where all (most) of the people are?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

But only in the inner cities.

We’ve had plenty of mass shootings not in inner cities.

Mass shootings are a drop in the bucket compared to inner city murders.

And still very tragic and unique to the US. Nobody else regularly has them.

Neither do we.

They are quite frequent here relative to anywhere else in the civilized world.

I really dont care about the rest of the world one way or another.
The fact remains that most gun related murders are committed by inner city minorities.

 

[Timmy]

No one is out to ban guns ! You can’t anyway .

BUT, gun control makes it harder for criminals and crazies to get them.

Gun nut states have more gun crime and gun control counterparts . And that’s not even counting gun suicides .

Gun control also lowers the demand for criminals to have guns. Concealed carry is way up and violent crime also increased. More armed lawful people forces more criminals to also be armed.

Say that again.
I just want to be sure you're this stupid.

Would you rob someone unarmed?

I wouldnt rob anyone.

But with lots of people armed you’d be sure to be armed if you did. And our armed also get their guns stolen at an alarming rate, helping to arm criminals.

Yeah. “Stolen” . More like black market sales .

How is it these people buy guns to stop thieves, and then have those guns stolen!?!

 

[Brain357]

We’ve had plenty of mass shootings not in inner cities.

Mass shootings are a drop in the bucket compared to inner city murders.

And still very tragic and unique to the US. Nobody else regularly has them.

Neither do we.

They are quite frequent here relative to anywhere else in the civilized world.

I really dont care about the rest of the world one way or another.
The fact remains that most gun related murders are committed by inner city minorities.

Well they are obviously very frequent here. Just like our police more frequently shoot people and are themselves more frequently shot.

Other countries have big cities, and not our levels of gun violence. Strong gun control limits gun violence. Our crime rates dropped after we got background checks.

 

[Brain357]

Gun control also lowers the demand for criminals to have guns. Concealed carry is way up and violent crime also increased. More armed lawful people forces more criminals to also be armed.

Say that again.
I just want to be sure you're this stupid.

Would you rob someone unarmed?

I wouldnt rob anyone.

But with lots of people armed you’d be sure to be armed if you did. And our armed also get their guns stolen at an alarming rate, helping to arm criminals.

Yeah. “Stolen” . More like black market sales .

How is it these people buy guns to stop thieves, and then have those guns stolen!?!

The NRA has really handcuffed the ATF, helping arm criminals.

 

[Timmy]

We’ve had plenty of mass shootings not in inner cities.

Mass shootings are a drop in the bucket compared to inner city murders.

And still very tragic and unique to the US. Nobody else regularly has them.

Neither do we.

They are quite frequent here relative to anywhere else in the civilized world.

I really dont care about the rest of the world one way or another.
The fact remains that most gun related murders are committed by inner city minorities.

Is that a fact ?

And the real question is: where’d they get the guns ?

It’s insane that teenagers can get ahold of a handgun ! They are dumb enough to use them too.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

I have argued this for years, that guns don't people, cities kill people...and the concept bubbled to the surface once again in an article from liberal leaning Vox...that 60% of gun homicides occur in just 50 major US cities.

According to Pew Research, 58% of rural households have legal guns (and 75% of those more than one) while urban household gun ownership is at 29% (mostly consisting of just one gun per household).

Here are your links:
A gun debate compromise: let cities and rural areas pass different laws ,
Rural and urban gun owners have different experiences, views on gun policy

So, here's the two part question...if gun control is the answer...

1] Why do cities, despite a deficit of legal gun owners, represent far and away the highest threat of gun violence to their citizenry. (And, for the record, the answer it isn't poverty...both urban and rural citizens face equal poverty levels.)

2] Why are rural areas where guns are prevalent significantly safer from gun violence?

Keep in mind, this is a correlation, not a conclusion...if we are going to reduce gun violence, we must understand it's root causes. Obviously more legal guns does not equate to more gun violence, and less guns with more regulation does not equate to less gun violence...so what forces are actually at work here?

Interesting question, although I wouldn't go so far as to jump to your final conclusion.

But I see you didnt offer your own.

I don't know the answer.

The answer to gun crimes is simple.
Commit one, 25 years automatic sentence no parol.
Fire that weapon in the commission of a crime 50 years automatic sentence no parol.
Kill someone in the commission of a crime with a firearm?
Life in prison or the death penalty depending on state law.
Personally I support a speedy trial and a speedy execution.

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Gun control also lowers the demand for criminals to have guns. Concealed carry is way up and violent crime also increased. More armed lawful people forces more criminals to also be armed.

Say that again.
I just want to be sure you're this stupid.

Would you rob someone unarmed?

I wouldnt rob anyone.

But with lots of people armed you’d be sure to be armed if you did. And our armed also get their guns stolen at an alarming rate, helping to arm criminals.

Yeah. “Stolen” . More like black market sales .

How is it these people buy guns to stop thieves, and then have those guns stolen!?!

So you're going to blame law abiding citizens for being robbed?