Why aren't more people Libertarian?

[konradv]

Right...Candidacies would be determined by the politicians who fuck up everything else they come into contact with.

Candidacies would be determined by the ballot box.

Suuuuuuuure they would.

If you don't accept the outcomes of elections, I guess there's no talking to you.

 

[Samson]

I swear...The topic could be bass fishing and you'd find a way to make it about central planning ...

Centrally Planned Bass Fishing:

 

[konradv]

I swear...The topic could be bass fishing and you'd find a way to make it about central planning ...

Centrally Planned Bass Fishing:

I prefer to think of it as being closer to pure democracy. Cool picture, though.

 

[Oddball]

Candidacies would be determined by the ballot box.

Suuuuuuuure they would.

If you don't accept the outcomes of elections, I guess there's no talking to you.

I don't accept central planning, no matter how much its pimps, like you, claim it's the panacea to all our woes, especially with the reams of history to the contrary.

Doing the same thing over and over again, while expecting a better result.

 

[Samson]

Seriously, why aren't there more Libertarians out there?

Is it because people don't know what Libertarians stand for?

Why aren't more people Libertarian?

Probably for the same reason there are not more people on Easter Island.

Most of them left on your mothership?

 

[JakeStarkey]

You are the parasite, Party Leader Contumacious.

I on the other hand have worked hard all my life, paid my way, pay more in taxes each year than you make in wage, and have no complaint.

No real American is looking for anything like the Libertarian Party, longknife, except the sheeple followers.

Comrade Starkiev, I get your drift:

a real american from your standpoint is a non producing parasite

so "real americans" (wink, wink) look for welfare/warfare state politicians not LIBERTARIANS - there we concur.

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[JakeStarkey]

Libertarians live The Lie, that they are independent of their fellow humans.

"being born" is the first part of any compact culturally: family, school, fraternal organizations, military.

You have benefited far more from the social compact than you have contributed.

Like I told you two and a half years ago on the board, I am thrilled you get to help others in our social compact with ACA.

My social compact is very much the cultural understanding and obligation to which American born are indebted.

Libertarianism claims to be amoral, which is a lie. You are, in fact, immoral.

But that is your problem.

Your "social compact "is a lie.

Your immorality lies in the imposition of your intellectually arrested notions of morality and "social compact" upon your neighbor, at gunpoint if necessary, with no more volitional assent on their part to such compact than being born.

You are a petty tyrant.

 

[Oddball]

Tyrants lie....It's part and parcel to who they are.

The mere act of being born isn't evidence that I owe you or anyone else anything, tyrant.

 

[whitehall]

Seriously, why aren't there more Libertarians out there?

Is it because people don't know what Libertarians stand for?

My guess is that the strict Constitutional true Libertarian party has been hijacked by the liberturds who's main focus is "legalizing" drugs and making a buck by selling them to our kids. The freaking cowards hide behind legitimate politicians and pretend that they have the same values as the Tea Party.

 

[HUGGY]

Seriously, why aren't there more Libertarians out there?

Is it because people don't know what Libertarians stand for?

Why aren't more people Libertarian?

Probably for the same reason there are not more people on Easter Island.

Most of them left on your mothership?

I believe they left because they ran out of that delicious Dungeness Crab!

 

[Oddball]

Seriously, why aren't there more Libertarians out there?

Is it because people don't know what Libertarians stand for?

My guess is that the strict Constitutional true Libertarian party has been hijacked by the liberturds who's main focus is "legalizing" drugs and making a buck by selling them to our kids. The freaking cowards hide behind legitimate politicians and pretend that they have the same values as the Tea Party.

And your guess would be wrong...Just like you are bout anything and everything else concerning libertarians.

Nothing new under the sun there.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Social Compact is a fact.

That you are wrong about it is a fact.

Move along, parasite.

Tyrants lie....It's part and parcel to who they are.

The mere act of being born isn't evidence that I owe you or anyone else anything, tyrant.

 

[Oddball]

Where is this mythical "social compact"?....It's not the Constitution, which is meant to apply to the politicians not We the People.

I defy you to produce this "social compact" and something besides my mere existence proving my assent to it.

Put up or shut up, tyrant.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You, like all of us, have been raised on the Social Compact's cultural and national function.

That you don't like it is entirely irrelevant.

 

[konradv]

Where is this mythical "social compact"?....It's not the Constitution, which is meant to apply to the politicians not We the People.

I defy you to produce this "social compact" and something besides my mere existence proving my assent to it.

Put up or shut up, tyrant.

Social Contract? I never signed no steenking social contract.

That argument and some of the following libertarian arguments are commonly quoted from Lysander Spooner.

The constitution and the laws are our written contracts with the government.

There are several explicit means by which people make the social contract with government. The commonest is when your parents choose your residency and/or citizenship after your birth. In that case, your parents or guardians are contracting for you, exercising their power of custody. No further explicit action is required on your part to continue the agreement, and you may end it at any time by departing and renouncing your citizenship.

Immigrants, residents, and visitors contract through the oath of citizenship (swearing to uphold the laws and constitution), residency permits, and visas. Citizens reaffirm it in whole or part when they take political office, join the armed forces, etc. This contract has a fairly common form: once entered into, it is implicitly continued until explicitly revoked. Many other contracts have this form: some leases, most utility services (such as phone and electricity), etc.

Some libertarians make a big deal about needing to actually sign a contract. Take them to a restaurant and see if they think it ethical to walk out without paying because they didn't sign anything. Even if it is a restaurant with a minimum charge and they haven't ordered anything. The restaurant gets to set the price and the method of contract so that even your presence creates a debt. What is a libertarian going to do about that? Create a regulation?

Critiques Of Libertarianism

Excellent resource for arguing with libertarians.

 

[Oddball]

I've seen that progressive/socialist swill...The authors of that socialist tripe have zero idea of what a legally binding contract is.

Fact remains the the mythoical "social contract" is what is known in legal circles as a contract of adhesion....Adhesion contracts are deemed null and void, ab initio, by every court in the land.

adhesion contract (contract of adhesion) n. a contract (often a signed form) so imbalanced in favor of one party over the other that there is a strong implication it was not freely bargained. Example: a rich landlord dealing with a poor tenant who has no choice and must accept all terms of a lease, no matter how restrictive or burdensome, since the tenant cannot afford to move. An adhesion contract can give the little guy the opportunity to claim in court that the contract with the big shot is invalid. This doctrine should be used and applied more often, but the same big guy-little guy inequity may apply in the ability to afford a trial or find and pay a resourceful lawyer.

Adhesion Contract legal definition of Adhesion Contract. Adhesion Contract synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

 

[Oddball]

You, like all of us, have been raised on the Social Compact's cultural and national function.

That you don't like it is entirely irrelevant.

I didn't ask you that.

I demanded that you produce this "social compact" that you blabber on and on about.

G'head....Bring it on.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Party Leader Oddball is swilling again.

I've seen that progressive/socialist swill...The authors of that socialist tripe have zero idea of what a legally binding contract is.

Fact remains the the mythoical "social contract" is what is known in legal circles as a contract of adhesion....Adhesion contracts are deemed null and void, ab initio, by every court in the land.

Adhesion Contract legal definition of Adhesion Contract. Adhesion Contract synonyms by the Free Online Law Dictionary.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Party Leader Oddball continues to babble.

I don't have to produce that which is common knowledge, and the Social Compact is exactly that.

You don't want to play is tough noogie, bub.

You, like all of us, have been raised on the Social Compact's cultural and national function.

That you don't like it is entirely irrelevant.

I didn't ask you that.

I demanded that you produce this "social compact" that you blabber on and on about.

G'head....Bring it on.

 

[Oddball]

Can't produce it, huh?

I knew that you couldn't.

You are a lying tyrant.