Why aren't more people Libertarian?

[JakeStarkey]

Non sequitur, Party Leader Contumacious.

Libertarians drool at the idea of the weak being dominated by the elite, having to give to them their labor and their talents.

 

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Non sequitur, Party Leader Contumacious.

Libertarians drool at the idea of the weak being dominated by the elite, having to give to them their labor and their talents.

You are correct, haven't seen one yet that had a good thing to say about labor rights, to them you have the right to take whatever you are paid, work how you are told and shut the fuck up or get the fuck out.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Libertarians want to be the bosses so they can make the working classes scream.

 

[Paulie]

Non sequitur, Party Leader Contumacious.

Libertarians drool at the idea of the weak being dominated by the elite, having to give to them their labor and their talents.

This is ridiculous. It's not even worth a thought out response.

 

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Libertarians want to be the bosses so they can make the working classes scream.

Yep, they are enamored of the vision of the 1890s company town, those entrepreneurs didn't have to answer to anyone, too bad everyone else had to answer to them.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Seriously, why aren't there more Libertarians out there?

Most people like living in the 21st Century.

Non sequitur, Party Leader Contumacious.

Libertarians drool at the idea of the weak being dominated by the elite, having to give to them their labor and their talents.

You are correct, haven't seen one yet that had a good thing to say about labor rights, to them you have the right to take whatever you are paid, work how you are told and shut the fuck up or get the fuck out.

Yep.

Most libertarians believe in the legal anachronism of ‘liberty to contract,’ a reactionary doctrine from the 19th Century when America was an agrarian society, cities were small with cottage industries, and life expectancy was a little over fifty years.

 

[Contumacious]

Non sequitur, Party Leader Contumacious.

Libertarians drool at the idea of the weak being dominated by the elite, having to give to them their labor and their talents.

You are correct, haven't seen one yet that had a good thing to say about labor rights, to them you have the right to take whatever you are paid, work how you are told and shut the fuck up or get the fuck out.

Really?

You read somewhere in The Libertarian Party's platform that it does not recognize the individuals' right to contract with their employers?


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[JakeStarkey]

Party Leader Contumacious would love to own his equivalent of an 1890s company town.

The right to limit worker contracts to individuals give the bosses all the cards.

 

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Non sequitur, Party Leader Contumacious.

Libertarians drool at the idea of the weak being dominated by the elite, having to give to them their labor and their talents.

You are correct, haven't seen one yet that had a good thing to say about labor rights, to them you have the right to take whatever you are paid, work how you are told and shut the fuck up or get the fuck out.

Really?

You read somewhere in The Libertarian Party's platform that it does not recognize the individuals' right to contract with their employers?


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Sorry, your position on things like minimum wage, fair pay for women, child labor, OSHA, EPA, unionization and so forth points right back to the days when workers were so mistreated and underpaid that the Chinese Foxcon looks mild by comparison.

 

[konradv]

How is it theft? I'd really love to see that explanation.

Ask any Enron employee.


I can give you an example. If a CEO knows his company's SPV's are going to blow up in his face in the near future, and he decides to start off-loading his company stock, he is stealing from everyone who buys that stock since they do not have the same information he does. He has perverted the price discovery process of a free market system.

Technically this argument makes sense. But if you were standing on railroad tracks and a train was barreling towards you, are you going to just stand there and let it kill you?

How does a sane rational person sit and literally watch their money evaporate in front of them knowing full well that it's about to happen?

Do we ban corporate executives, board members, officers, etc, from owning stock in their company to prevent this from ever even being a situation? Because it stands to reason that those people are going to have significant information before the retail market does.

Isn't capitalism all about taking risks? There are two solutions: over the long term they should be diversified, so something like that doesn't wipe them out and in the short term, they should work harder to keep the company from going under. If you allow insider trading to occur, you can't talk about the "Invisible Hand" of the market anymore. It'd be more like a "Hidden Hand".

 

[Contumacious]

You are correct, haven't seen one yet that had a good thing to say about labor rights, to them you have the right to take whatever you are paid, work how you are told and shut the fuck up or get the fuck out.

Really?

You read somewhere in The Libertarian Party's platform that it does not recognize the individuals' right to contract with their employers?


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Sorry, your position on things like minimum wage, fair pay for women, child labor, OSHA, EPA, unionization and so forth points right back to the days when workers were so mistreated and underpaid that the Chinese Foxcon looks mild by comparison.

I see, so you believe in the gansta form of governing.

Gang up on the employer until he either succumbs to your demands, goes out of business or relocates overseas.

Who is going to provide welfare when 75% of the populace is on the dole?!?!?!?

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[JakeStarkey]

You are so pitifully pathetic.

The gangsta form is the boss dictating to the workers who accept or leave. The Union is one answer to Gangster Boss Capitalism.

The other is democratic regulation of business and banking as we have today.

That is never going to change.

Really?

You read somewhere in The Libertarian Party's platform that it does not recognize the individuals' right to contract with their employers?


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Sorry, your position on things like minimum wage, fair pay for women, child labor, OSHA, EPA, unionization and so forth points right back to the days when workers were so mistreated and underpaid that the Chinese Foxcon looks mild by comparison.

I see, so you believe in the gansta form of governing.

Gang up on the employer until he either succumbs to your demands, goes out of business or relocates overseas.

Who is going to provide welfare when 75% of the populace is on the dole?!?!?!?

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[occupied]

Really?

You read somewhere in The Libertarian Party's platform that it does not recognize the individuals' right to contract with their employers?


.

Sorry, your position on things like minimum wage, fair pay for women, child labor, OSHA, EPA, unionization and so forth points right back to the days when workers were so mistreated and underpaid that the Chinese Foxcon looks mild by comparison.

I see, so you believe in the gansta form of governing.

Gang up on the employer until he either succumbs to your demands, goes out of business or relocates overseas.

Who is going to provide welfare when 75% of the populace is on the dole?!?!?!?

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Meaningless, if many employers were not in a race to the bottom on employee compensation we would not have laws to indicate where the bottom should be. We have all these laws you hate because we as Americans used to find plutocracy rather distasteful and a drag on general prosperity. I guess now the libertarian position is that poor working people are there to used and discarded at will.

 

[Contumacious]

You are so pitifully pathetic.

The gangsta form is the boss dictating to the workers who accept or leave. The Union is one answer to Gangster Boss Capitalism.

The other is democratic regulation of business and banking as we have today.

That is never going to change.

Sorry, your position on things like minimum wage, fair pay for women, child labor, OSHA, EPA, unionization and so forth points right back to the days when workers were so mistreated and underpaid that the Chinese Foxcon looks mild by comparison.

I see, so you believe in the gansta form of governing.

Gang up on the employer until he either succumbs to your demands, goes out of business or relocates overseas.

Who is going to provide welfare when 75% of the populace is on the dole?!?!?!?

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That will change when it dawns on the producers that voting is NOT the answer. That the Smith and Wesson 500 IS the answer.

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[Mac1958]

You are so pitifully pathetic.

The gangsta form is the boss dictating to the workers who accept or leave. The Union is one answer to Gangster Boss Capitalism.

The other is democratic regulation of business and banking as we have today.

That is never going to change.

I see, so you believe in the gansta form of governing.

Gang up on the employer until he either succumbs to your demands, goes out of business or relocates overseas.

Who is going to provide welfare when 75% of the populace is on the dole?!?!?!?

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That will change when it dawns on the producers that voting is NOT the answer. That the Smith and Wesson 500 IS the answer.

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Oh come on Rambo, most people are smarter than that.

Fortunately.

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[JakeStarkey]

The producers tried that with Pinkerton etc and how did all that go?

Contumacious, we are not in the 19th century.

I would imagine now if someone actually brought Pinkertons into the operations and they hurt somebody, heavens will not stop the awful retaliation. Imagine if they hurt a worker's kid, and there will be no where safe for a producer's family, based on our labor past.

 

[Paulie]

Sorry, your position on things like minimum wage, fair pay for women, child labor, OSHA, EPA, unionization and so forth points right back to the days when workers were so mistreated and underpaid that the Chinese Foxcon looks mild by comparison.

I see, so you believe in the gansta form of governing.

Gang up on the employer until he either succumbs to your demands, goes out of business or relocates overseas.

Who is going to provide welfare when 75% of the populace is on the dole?!?!?!?

.

Meaningless, if many employers were not in a race to the bottom on employee compensation we would not have laws to indicate where the bottom should be. We have all these laws you hate because we as Americans used to find plutocracy rather distasteful and a drag on general prosperity. I guess now the libertarian position is that poor working people are there to used and discarded at will.

You make the minimum wage argument way too complicated. What we don't like is when an employer is forced to pay someone more than they're worth. It takes zero skill to wash dishes. Any retard can do it. It's probably not worth $8 an hour but the government says it has to be.

Some high school kid sitting on his ass behind a cash register all day barely cracking a smile, just working for weed money, is probably not worth $8 an hour either.

Fuck, you'll still find a lot of construction trades that are barely even paying that. So why should a clerk who does hardly any work at all get that much?

 

[JakeStarkey]

Libertarians are not capitalists.

They are robber barons who want to do what they want without any interference.

Not going to happen.

 

[occupied]

I see, so you believe in the gansta form of governing.

Gang up on the employer until he either succumbs to your demands, goes out of business or relocates overseas.

Who is going to provide welfare when 75% of the populace is on the dole?!?!?!?

.

Meaningless, if many employers were not in a race to the bottom on employee compensation we would not have laws to indicate where the bottom should be. We have all these laws you hate because we as Americans used to find plutocracy rather distasteful and a drag on general prosperity. I guess now the libertarian position is that poor working people are there to used and discarded at will.

You make the minimum wage argument way too complicated. What we don't like is when an employer is forced to pay someone more than they're worth. It takes zero skill to wash dishes. Any retard can do it. It's probably not worth $8 an hour but the government says it has to be.

Some high school kid sitting on his ass behind a cash register all day barely cracking a smile, just working for weed money, is probably not worth $8 an hour either.

Fuck, you'll still find a lot of construction trades that are barely even paying that. So why should a clerk who does hardly any work at all get that much?

You make it sound like everyone who does a shit job deserves even shittier wages, I got news for you, in purchasing power the peak of minimum wage was 1968, been in decline ever since. America has seen a stagnation in working class wages for decades, how low do you think wages for dish washers and ass wipers need to be before you are satisfied that their lives are enough of a poverty stricken hell? How do you expect a minimum wage earner to feel about working for living when some jackass such as yourself says that the pittance they manage to bring home is far more than they are worth? Might as well just quit and get on public assistance with that kind of encouragement.

 

[TakeAStepBack]

There aren't a lot of libertarians because "The contemporary world has gone astray, in sum, because it has sought freedoms from the dangers and risks of liberty."