Why Conservative Is Simply Better....

[PoliticalChic]

Which conservatives stated what you claim?

Certainly not the Founders.

You missed Mitt with his 47%? Bu$h just repeated it.

But besides that, just provide one of those conservatives "moral" truths that never change

Sure.

All men are created equal.

"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States which may be included within this Union, according to their respective Numbers, which shall be determined by adding to the whole Number of free Persons, including those bound to Service for a Term of Years, and excluding Indians not taxed, three fifths of all other Persons."

Watch how I put you America-haters in your place:


"The Founders were well aware that the institution of slavery blatantly violated the principles of the Declaration. But without a strong union that included the Southern states, which would have never ratified a constitution that abolished slavery, the new nation would not have existed.

Of the several compromises made over slavery in the original Constitution, perhaps the most egregious one from our vantage point is the three-fifths clause.

Contrary to common opinion, however, the three-fifths clause did not mean that the Founders thought that blacks were three-fifths of a human being. First of all, the text refers to “other persons”—the term persons meaning human beings. In fact, in 1790 there were approximately sixty-thousand free blacks, who possessed all the same rights as whites.

Secondly, the three-fifths clauses was a compromise between the North and South in which three-fifths of slaves were counted for purposes of taxation and representation. Southerners in fact wanted to count slaves as full persons, thus magnifying their political power. Northerners did not want slaves to be counted at all specifically because they thought it was wrong to further encourage the importation of more slaves.

their overall project was to set anti-slavery principles in place so that they could be enforced at some point in the future.




The anti-slavery character of the Declaration and Constitution was grasped by the great civil rights leaders of the past two centuries, Frederick Douglass and Martin Luther King, Jr.

Douglass, a former slave,called the Constitution “a glorious liberty document.”

In his famous “I Have a Dream” speech,Dr. Kinglikened the “magnificent words” of the Declaration and Constitution to a “promissory note to which every American was to fall heir.”

King continued: “This note was a promise that all men, yes, black men as well as white men, would be guaranteed the ‘unalienable Rights’ of ‘Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.’”
No, America Was Not Founded On Racist Principles



Gads!
Don't you wish you had the education that I have?

No?
Education is optional for Liberals?

 

[PoliticalChic]

Conservatism is simply better because you don't need facts, you don't need the truth, you don't need anything like that.

All you need are words which are easy for people to understand.

Instead of giving difficult reasons for invading Iraq, you make simple reasons, so simple people can understand. That is why conservatism is better.

"Conservatism is simply better because you don't need facts, you don't need the truth,..."

Really?


As you didn't include any of my posts that were not factual, accurate, truthful....

.....you must be a Liberal liar.

Or is that redundant.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Oh, but they did. You should read their writings sometime.

They evidently did not listen to their conservative masters in a monarchy and legislature of their home country...

Somehow, the erroneous assumption that anything leftists like from history is automatically "liberal" - and thus, associated with them - never fails to send me into gales of laughter.

I DO wish you wouldn't post it so often, though. I read this at work, and it's not good for me to sit at my desk, giggling.

I damn sure wasn't a conservative move to ...rise in opposition or armed resistance to an established government or ruler.

Based on what? Your kindergarten definition of "conservative" and "liberal"? Spare me.

Let's just clarify what we're talking about, and put an end to this smeary, slip-sliding mess that leftists always try to make out of definitions in order to obstruct debate, shall we?

The conservative-liberal spectrum in American politics is not a matter of political parties, nor is it a matter of specific stands on specific issues, which can be affected by circumstances outside of political ideology. "Conservative" and "liberal" are defined by overall philosophy and worldview. Thomas Sowell refers to them as "visions". The issues change; the positions on them change, depending on the details and extenuating circumstances (I know the simplistic, all-or-nothing attitude of the left has a real problem with this part); but the vision that informs the decisions and positions remains essentially the same.

Now, as to parties, the Republican Party is by no means made up entirely of people with a homogenous conservative vision. Neither is the Democrat Party made up entirely of people with a homogenous liberal vision. But they each contain those visions respectively, and despite what today's left would like to believe, the idea that the two parties have somehow completely switched places on the political spectrum is simply ludicrous and has no evidence to support it. The left may not like what that reveals about the efficacy of their vision, but that's they're problem.

Left and right COMPLETELY switch? Several times over the last hundred years GOPers AND Dems HAVE switched sides, the VAST majority, UNLESS you "think" there is some liberal/PROGRESSIVE majority in the SOUTHERN CONservative CONfederate states of AmeriKKKA who fought PROGRESSIVE Abe?

"...GOPers AND Dems HAVE switched sides..."

Probably the second greatest lie that Liberals tell, second only to the one about the Founders being Liberals.

Proof is that the most popular of the Liberal elites is an inveterate racist who needed to pull Obama's chestnuts out of the fire in the last convention.

'A few years ago he would've been carrying our bags': New report reveals the insensitive racial remark Bill Clinton made about Barack Obama in 2008'
'A few years ago he would've been carrying our bags': New report reveals the insensitive racial remark Bill Clinton made about Barack Obama in 2008
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sure.

All men are created equal.

All white, christian males are created equal you mean

Black people counted only for 3/5 and could be held as slaves and women didn't count at all

As I said, if that's such a "moral truth" why aren't true conservatives campaigning to bring back those good old days?

I need to stop saying 'How dumb can you be?'....it appears you take it as a challenge.

1. The dominant American culture of the time was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh

2. 'Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known today, “an extremist Fundementalist hate group.”
Coulter

3. Researchers discovered that the founders quoted directly out of the bible 4 times more than they quoted Montesquieu, 4 times more often than they quoted Blackstone, and 12 times more often than they quoted John Locke. Thirty four percent of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the bible.
David Barton, Original Intent, 1997

Donald Lutz, The Origins of American Constitutionalism 1988

“The Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth Century American Political Thought” American Political Science Review




4. Clearly, they both understood the Bible, and, unlike you, had a facility with the English language.

The understood that 'All men are created equal' meant....
...ready?..

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.

That is why our founding documents were designed to end slavery.

DESIGNED TO END SLAVERY? Oh right EXCEPT to those Southern states where we HAD to include the 2nd amendment for SLAVE PATROLS FOR THE SOUTHERN CONservative States OF AmeriKKKa


END SLAVERY? Hint NOT be the CONservatives!



...In other words, late 18th and early 19th century figures who never expressed a belief in Jesus Christ, who rarely if ever attended church, and who rarely if ever had anything positive to say about the Bible, are magically transformed into evangelical Christians, based on one or two select quotes that mention God or a deity in a somewhat positive light. George Washington (right) and Thomas Jefferson (below) are two such examples.

In short, many conservative Christians and politicians are re-writing history (it is an ongoing process on their part) in order to “prove” their claim that most (if not all) of America’s “Founding Fathers” were evangelical Christians.


Wall of Separation Between Church and State » Founding Fathers

Did you notice the reference to Jesus Christ in the United States Constitution?

 

[Bfgrn]

In less than five minutes, Greg Gutfeld explains why Conservative is simply better for the individual, and for society, than Liberal

And, by investing the five minutes in this vid...you get course credit in Prager University.....




Why the Right is Right - Prager University

Prager University...a.k.a. sound bite college for the ADHD crowd...Pure simple minded propaganda meant for the parrots...

In reply to the video's false premise...

There would be no America to protect without liberalism. It was the most liberal men of their day who took the HUGE risk to create this nation.

Your video unwittingly PROVES that point...

So when a conservative asks why you are a liberal, tell them "so you conservatives have a free nation to live in"


"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

 

[NYcarbineer]

Sure.

All men are created equal.

All white, christian males are created equal you mean

Black people counted only for 3/5 and could be held as slaves and women didn't count at all

As I said, if that's such a "moral truth" why aren't true conservatives campaigning to bring back those good old days?

I need to stop saying 'How dumb can you be?'....it appears you take it as a challenge.

1. The dominant American culture of the time was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh

2. 'Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known today, “an extremist Fundementalist hate group.”
Coulter

3. Researchers discovered that the founders quoted directly out of the bible 4 times more than they quoted Montesquieu, 4 times more often than they quoted Blackstone, and 12 times more often than they quoted John Locke. Thirty four percent of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the bible.
David Barton, Original Intent, 1997

Donald Lutz, The Origins of American Constitutionalism 1988

“The Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth Century American Political Thought” American Political Science Review




4. Clearly, they both understood the Bible, and, unlike you, had a facility with the English language.

The understood that 'All men are created equal' meant....
...ready?..

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.

That is why our founding documents were designed to end slavery.

DESIGNED TO END SLAVERY? Oh right EXCEPT to those Southern states where we HAD to include the 2nd amendment for SLAVE PATROLS FOR THE SOUTHERN CONservative States OF AmeriKKKa


END SLAVERY? Hint NOT be the CONservatives!



...In other words, late 18th and early 19th century figures who never expressed a belief in Jesus Christ, who rarely if ever attended church, and who rarely if ever had anything positive to say about the Bible, are magically transformed into evangelical Christians, based on one or two select quotes that mention God or a deity in a somewhat positive light. George Washington (right) and Thomas Jefferson (below) are two such examples.

In short, many conservative Christians and politicians are re-writing history (it is an ongoing process on their part) in order to “prove” their claim that most (if not all) of America’s “Founding Fathers” were evangelical Christians.


Wall of Separation Between Church and State » Founding Fathers

Did you notice the reference to Jesus Christ in the United States Constitution?

Your desire for a Christian Theocracy is a lost cause. Give it up.

 

[NYcarbineer]

A matter of opinion.

What's sure, however, is that the current Democratic Party is the true Progressive party, and all that the modern definition entails. The masks came off when Al Gore lost the 2000 election, and the faces tattooed when Kerry matched that performance 2004.

You're wasting my time trying to change the subject to Liberalism.The Op has made the assertion that Conservatism is better for the individual and for society, the problem of course is that the Republican Party does not meet the standards of Conservatism. Do you have any idea when they will meet that standard?

The nation was designed to espouse classical liberal views, based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

In reality, there are only two choices, Republican or Democrat.

Neither is perfect....but....

Which is closer to the classical liberal view?

Conservatives seem to espouse non-classical liberal views, based on corporatism, fixed or crony markets, and unlimited government protections for their supporters (trillion dollar bailout anyone?).

Progressives seem to espouse non-classical liberal views based upon megalithic government; the Marxist philosophy "From each according to his abilities, to each according to his needs"; incremental destruction of the Constitution and the rights and limitations enumerated by it; totalitarian control of education, speech and thought within the public school and university systems; erasure of foundational and general religious thought and practice from the public square; destruction of patriotic traditions and institutions; continued use of racism and "class warfare" to divide the country, and numerous and sundry other mischief designed to "fundamentally change the United States of America."

Next.

Progressives are not liberal.

They are fascists who want to use government to force people to do things their way.

The far right is the same way, only they lie about it better.

Yes I want the government to force people to drive slow in school zones. If that is fascism, then fascism it is.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Sure.

All men are created equal.

All white, christian males are created equal you mean

Black people counted only for 3/5 and could be held as slaves and women didn't count at all

As I said, if that's such a "moral truth" why aren't true conservatives campaigning to bring back those good old days?

I need to stop saying 'How dumb can you be?'....it appears you take it as a challenge.

1. The dominant American culture of the time was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh

2. 'Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known today, “an extremist Fundementalist hate group.”
Coulter

3. Researchers discovered that the founders quoted directly out of the bible 4 times more than they quoted Montesquieu, 4 times more often than they quoted Blackstone, and 12 times more often than they quoted John Locke. Thirty four percent of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the bible.
David Barton, Original Intent, 1997

Donald Lutz, The Origins of American Constitutionalism 1988

“The Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth Century American Political Thought” American Political Science Review




4. Clearly, they both understood the Bible, and, unlike you, had a facility with the English language.

The understood that 'All men are created equal' meant....
...ready?..

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.

That is why our founding documents were designed to end slavery.

DESIGNED TO END SLAVERY? Oh right EXCEPT to those Southern states where we HAD to include the 2nd amendment for SLAVE PATROLS FOR THE SOUTHERN CONservative States OF AmeriKKKa


END SLAVERY? Hint NOT be the CONservatives!



...In other words, late 18th and early 19th century figures who never expressed a belief in Jesus Christ, who rarely if ever attended church, and who rarely if ever had anything positive to say about the Bible, are magically transformed into evangelical Christians, based on one or two select quotes that mention God or a deity in a somewhat positive light. George Washington (right) and Thomas Jefferson (below) are two such examples.

In short, many conservative Christians and politicians are re-writing history (it is an ongoing process on their part) in order to “prove” their claim that most (if not all) of America’s “Founding Fathers” were evangelical Christians.


Wall of Separation Between Church and State » Founding Fathers

Did you notice the reference to Jesus Christ in the United States Constitution?

Your desire for a Christian Theocracy is a lost cause. Give it up.

I always get a kick out of people who believe that a Christian Nation would ban itself, as part of its founding, from being able to call itself a Christian Nation...

 

[NYcarbineer]

They evidently did not listen to their conservative masters in a monarchy and legislature of their home country...

Somehow, the erroneous assumption that anything leftists like from history is automatically "liberal" - and thus, associated with them - never fails to send me into gales of laughter.

I DO wish you wouldn't post it so often, though. I read this at work, and it's not good for me to sit at my desk, giggling.

I damn sure wasn't a conservative move to ...rise in opposition or armed resistance to an established government or ruler.

Based on what? Your kindergarten definition of "conservative" and "liberal"? Spare me.

Let's just clarify what we're talking about, and put an end to this smeary, slip-sliding mess that leftists always try to make out of definitions in order to obstruct debate, shall we?

The conservative-liberal spectrum in American politics is not a matter of political parties, nor is it a matter of specific stands on specific issues, which can be affected by circumstances outside of political ideology. "Conservative" and "liberal" are defined by overall philosophy and worldview. Thomas Sowell refers to them as "visions". The issues change; the positions on them change, depending on the details and extenuating circumstances (I know the simplistic, all-or-nothing attitude of the left has a real problem with this part); but the vision that informs the decisions and positions remains essentially the same.

Now, as to parties, the Republican Party is by no means made up entirely of people with a homogenous conservative vision. Neither is the Democrat Party made up entirely of people with a homogenous liberal vision. But they each contain those visions respectively, and despite what today's left would like to believe, the idea that the two parties have somehow completely switched places on the political spectrum is simply ludicrous and has no evidence to support it. The left may not like what that reveals about the efficacy of their vision, but that's they're problem.

Left and right COMPLETELY switch? Several times over the last hundred years GOPers AND Dems HAVE switched sides, the VAST majority, UNLESS you "think" there is some liberal/PROGRESSIVE majority in the SOUTHERN CONservative CONfederate states of AmeriKKKA who fought PROGRESSIVE Abe?

"...GOPers AND Dems HAVE switched sides..."

Probably the second greatest lie that Liberals tell, second only to the one about the Founders being Liberals.

Proof is that the most popular of the Liberal elites is an inveterate racist who needed to pull Obama's chestnuts out of the fire in the last convention.

'A few years ago he would've been carrying our bags': New report reveals the insensitive racial remark Bill Clinton made about Barack Obama in 2008'
'A few years ago he would've been carrying our bags': New report reveals the insensitive racial remark Bill Clinton made about Barack Obama in 2008
Follow us: @MailOnline on Twitter | DailyMail on Facebook

Can you name ANY Democrats today who in sum total mirror the Southern conservative Democrats of 60 years ago,

in their political positions and beliefs?

 

[Wildman]

The only thing worse than a Republican at this stage is a Democrat

there are several things worse than a demorat, a libercrat, a muslime libercrat, and the worst of all are liberrats who defend every thing O'Husseinbama and Hitlery say and do.

... libercrats

 

[PoliticalChic]

In less than five minutes, Greg Gutfeld explains why Conservative is simply better for the individual, and for society, than Liberal

And, by investing the five minutes in this vid...you get course credit in Prager University.....




Why the Right is Right - Prager University

Prager University...a.k.a. sound bite college for the ADHD crowd...Pure simple minded propaganda meant for the parrots...

In reply to the video's false premise...

There would be no America to protect without liberalism. It was the most liberal men of their day who took the HUGE risk to create this nation.

Your video unwittingly PROVES that point...

So when a conservative asks why you are a liberal, tell them "so you conservatives have a free nation to live in"


"Conservatism, though a necessary element in any stable society, is not a social program; in its paternalistic, nationalistic and power adoring tendencies it is often closer to socialism than true liberalism; and with its traditionalistic, anti-intellectual, and often mystical propensities it will never, except in short periods of disillusionment, appeal to the young and all those others who believe that some changes are desirable if this world is to become a better place."
Friedrich August von Hayek-The Road to Serfdom

"In general, it can probably be said that the conservative does not object to coercion or arbitrary power so long as it is used for what he regards as the right purposes. He believes that if government is in the hands of decent men, it ought not to be too much restricted by rigid rules. Since he is essentially opportunist and lacks principles..."
Friedrich August von Hayek-Why I am Not a Conservative

1. Remember when I said this, in post #663...
"Probably the second greatest lie that Liberals tell, second only to the one about the Founders being Liberals."

Well....you just proved it with this:
"There would be no America to protect without liberalism. It was the most liberal men of their day who took the HUGE risk to create this nation."



2. The fact is that communist John Dewey had the Socialist Party steal the name 'Liberal" because of how much the public hated the Socialists/Progressives...

a. Democrats (Progressives) were thoroughly rejected by the voters in the election of 1920:
“The United States presidential election of 1920 was dominated by the aftermath of World War I and the hostile reaction to Woodrow Wilson, the Democratic president. Harding's victory remains the largest popular-vote percentage margin (60.3% to 34.1%) in Presidential elections after the so-called "Era of Good Feelings" ended with the victory of James Monroe in the election of 1820. ” United States presidential election, 1920 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


b. “In the 1920 election, he and his running-mate, Calvin Coolidge, defeated Democrat and fellow Ohioan James M. Cox, in what was then the largest presidential popular vote landslide in American history since the popular vote tally began to be recorded in 1824: 60.36% to 34.19%.”Warren G. Harding - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia



3. Let's really rub your face in it:
This is what the Founders, conservatives, classical liberals believed: a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

Which of you socialists, progressives, Democrats, Nazis, communists, fascists, etc. subscribe to same?

None.

 

[Bfgrn]

The only thing worse than a Republican at this stage is a Democrat

there are several things worse than a demorat, a libercrat, a muslime libercrat, and the worst of all are liberrats who defend every thing O'Husseinbama and Hitlery say and do.

... libercrats

I found a new avatar for you...one that fits...

 

[PoliticalChic]

Sure.

All men are created equal.

All white, christian males are created equal you mean

Black people counted only for 3/5 and could be held as slaves and women didn't count at all

As I said, if that's such a "moral truth" why aren't true conservatives campaigning to bring back those good old days?

I need to stop saying 'How dumb can you be?'....it appears you take it as a challenge.

1. The dominant American culture of the time was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh

2. 'Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known today, “an extremist Fundementalist hate group.”
Coulter

3. Researchers discovered that the founders quoted directly out of the bible 4 times more than they quoted Montesquieu, 4 times more often than they quoted Blackstone, and 12 times more often than they quoted John Locke. Thirty four percent of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the bible.
David Barton, Original Intent, 1997

Donald Lutz, The Origins of American Constitutionalism 1988

“The Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth Century American Political Thought” American Political Science Review




4. Clearly, they both understood the Bible, and, unlike you, had a facility with the English language.

The understood that 'All men are created equal' meant....
...ready?..

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.

That is why our founding documents were designed to end slavery.

DESIGNED TO END SLAVERY? Oh right EXCEPT to those Southern states where we HAD to include the 2nd amendment for SLAVE PATROLS FOR THE SOUTHERN CONservative States OF AmeriKKKa


END SLAVERY? Hint NOT be the CONservatives!



...In other words, late 18th and early 19th century figures who never expressed a belief in Jesus Christ, who rarely if ever attended church, and who rarely if ever had anything positive to say about the Bible, are magically transformed into evangelical Christians, based on one or two select quotes that mention God or a deity in a somewhat positive light. George Washington (right) and Thomas Jefferson (below) are two such examples.

In short, many conservative Christians and politicians are re-writing history (it is an ongoing process on their part) in order to “prove” their claim that most (if not all) of America’s “Founding Fathers” were evangelical Christians.


Wall of Separation Between Church and State » Founding Fathers

Did you notice the reference to Jesus Christ in the United States Constitution?

Your desire for a Christian Theocracy is a lost cause. Give it up.

I never subscribed to a theocracy of any kind.
But...I see you burnishing your Liberal liar creds early today.

 

[Camp]

Conservatism is simply better because you don't need facts, you don't need the truth, you don't need anything like that.

All you need are words which are easy for people to understand.

Instead of giving difficult reasons for invading Iraq, you make simple reasons, so simple people can understand. That is why conservatism is better.

"Conservatism is simply better because you don't need facts, you don't need the truth,..."

Really?


As you didn't include any of my posts that were not factual, accurate, truthful....

.....you must be a Liberal liar.

Or is that redundant.

Your post have been shown to be distorted and manipulated into lies all through this thread. Your source of a make believe university, Prager , is a non accredited gimmick created by conservative radio talk show host Dennis Prager. If you used this source in an academic setting you would receive a failing grade and be scolded by your professors.

 

[NYcarbineer]

All white, christian males are created equal you mean

Black people counted only for 3/5 and could be held as slaves and women didn't count at all

As I said, if that's such a "moral truth" why aren't true conservatives campaigning to bring back those good old days?

I need to stop saying 'How dumb can you be?'....it appears you take it as a challenge.

1. The dominant American culture of the time was Anglo-Saxon and Christian. “52 of the 56 signers of the declaration and 50 to 52 of the 55 signers of the Constitution were orthodox Trinitarian Christians.” David Limbaugh

2. 'Believers in the Father, Son, and Holy Ghost, or, as they would be known today, “an extremist Fundementalist hate group.”
Coulter

3. Researchers discovered that the founders quoted directly out of the bible 4 times more than they quoted Montesquieu, 4 times more often than they quoted Blackstone, and 12 times more often than they quoted John Locke. Thirty four percent of the Founders’ quotes came directly out of the bible.
David Barton, Original Intent, 1997

Donald Lutz, The Origins of American Constitutionalism 1988

“The Relative Influence of European Writers on Late Eighteenth Century American Political Thought” American Political Science Review




4. Clearly, they both understood the Bible, and, unlike you, had a facility with the English language.

The understood that 'All men are created equal' meant....
...ready?..

ALL MEN ARE CREATED EQUAL.

That is why our founding documents were designed to end slavery.

DESIGNED TO END SLAVERY? Oh right EXCEPT to those Southern states where we HAD to include the 2nd amendment for SLAVE PATROLS FOR THE SOUTHERN CONservative States OF AmeriKKKa


END SLAVERY? Hint NOT be the CONservatives!



...In other words, late 18th and early 19th century figures who never expressed a belief in Jesus Christ, who rarely if ever attended church, and who rarely if ever had anything positive to say about the Bible, are magically transformed into evangelical Christians, based on one or two select quotes that mention God or a deity in a somewhat positive light. George Washington (right) and Thomas Jefferson (below) are two such examples.

In short, many conservative Christians and politicians are re-writing history (it is an ongoing process on their part) in order to “prove” their claim that most (if not all) of America’s “Founding Fathers” were evangelical Christians.


Wall of Separation Between Church and State » Founding Fathers

Did you notice the reference to Jesus Christ in the United States Constitution?

Your desire for a Christian Theocracy is a lost cause. Give it up.

I never subscribed to a theocracy of any kind.
But...I see you burnishing your Liberal liar creds early today.

Then why bring up the alleged Christianity of the Founders? To be your usual irrelevant self?

 

[mudwhistle]

Interesting, except the current Republican party is not a true Conservative party.

The current Republican party is reactionary with a Neo Conservative idea of spreading Democracy by war which isn't in sync with what Conservatism is about.

Nope.....that's Islam.

 

[NYcarbineer]

[



3. Let's really rub your face in it:
This is what the Founders, conservatives, classical liberals believed: a nation based on individualism, free markets, and limited constitutional government.

.

That's simply false. The first major piece of legislation passed by the first Congress was a tariff bill. Stop lying.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Interesting, except the current Republican party is not a true Conservative party.

The current Republican party is reactionary with a Neo Conservative idea of spreading Democracy by war which isn't in sync with what Conservatism is about.

Nope.....that's Islam.

The core belief of the Neocons was/is to spread democracy throughout the Middle East by war. The Iraq war was an integral part of that.

 

[PoliticalChic]

Somehow, the erroneous assumption that anything leftists like from history is automatically "liberal" - and thus, associated with them - never fails to send me into gales of laughter.

I DO wish you wouldn't post it so often, though. I read this at work, and it's not good for me to sit at my desk, giggling.

I damn sure wasn't a conservative move to ...rise in opposition or armed resistance to an established government or ruler.

Based on what? Your kindergarten definition of "conservative" and "liberal"? Spare me.

Let's just clarify what we're talking about, and put an end to this smeary, slip-sliding mess that leftists always try to make out of definitions in order to obstruct debate, shall we?

The conservative-liberal spectrum in American politics is not a matter of political parties, nor is it a matter of specific stands on specific issues, which can be affected by circumstances outside of political ideology. "Conservative" and "liberal" are defined by overall philosophy and worldview. Thomas Sowell refers to them as "visions". The issues change; the positions on them change, depending on the details and extenuating circumstances (I know the simplistic, all-or-nothing attitude of the left has a real problem with this part); but the vision that informs the decisions and positions remains essentially the same.

Now, as to parties, the Republican Party is by no means made up entirely of people with a homogenous conservative vision. Neither is the Democrat Party made up entirely of people with a homogenous liberal vision. But they each contain those visions respectively, and despite what today's left would like to believe, the idea that the two parties have somehow completely switched places on the political spectrum is simply ludicrous and has no evidence to support it. The left may not like what that reveals about the efficacy of their vision, but that's they're problem.

Left and right COMPLETELY switch? Several times over the last hundred years GOPers AND Dems HAVE switched sides, the VAST majority, UNLESS you "think" there is some liberal/PROGRESSIVE majority in the SOUTHERN CONservative CONfederate states of AmeriKKKA who fought PROGRESSIVE Abe?

"...GOPers AND Dems HAVE switched sides..."

Probably the second greatest lie that Liberals tell, second only to the one about the Founders being Liberals.

Proof is that the most popular of the Liberal elites is an inveterate racist who needed to pull Obama's chestnuts out of the fire in the last convention.

'A few years ago he would've been carrying our bags': New report reveals the insensitive racial remark Bill Clinton made about Barack Obama in 2008'
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Can you name ANY Democrats today who in sum total mirror the Southern conservative Democrats of 60 years ago,

in their political positions and beliefs?

Sure.

Bill the 'rapist' Clinton.

His career mirrors the same racist, segregationist actions as the other racist, segregationist Democrats who had to be thrown out of the South by the Republicans.


You can try to hide the history of the Democrat Party, but the truth is clear....

1. Liberal historian Eric Foner writes that the Klan was “…a military force serving the interests of the Democratic Party…” Foner, “Reconstruction: America’s Unfinished Revolution, 1863-1877,” p. 425
2. Democrats in the Senate blacked every civil rights bill up to 1964, including every anti-lynching bill
3. Franklin Roosevelt's first Supreme Court pick was KKKer Hugo Black
4. Bill 'the rapist' Clinton gave awards to life-long segregationists.

 

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Conservatism is simply better because you don't need facts, you don't need the truth, you don't need anything like that.

All you need are words which are easy for people to understand.

Instead of giving difficult reasons for invading Iraq, you make simple reasons, so simple people can understand. That is why conservatism is better.

"Conservatism is simply better because you don't need facts, you don't need the truth,..."

Really?


As you didn't include any of my posts that were not factual, accurate, truthful....

.....you must be a Liberal liar.

Or is that redundant.

Getting attention deficit disorder or something? I didn't include your posts because I didn't read your posts. Happy now?