tinydancer
Diamond Member
- Oct 16, 2010
- 51,845
- 12,822
This is such standard bullshit.
Why can't anyone just debate the truth any more?
Why can't anyone just debate the truth any more?
Follow along with the video below to see how to install our site as a web app on your home screen.
Note: This feature may not be available in some browsers.
Still no rebuttals from the loony left.
It's always the looney right that disses blacks, whether its posts of obama with a watermelon, or complaints about lazy blacks driving detroit into ruins and buying ding dongs with food stamps. That being said, if we still had slavery today and there was a debate about ending slavery, and the billionaire class and corporations wanted to keep slavery, would it be democrats or republicans that sided with the ownership class to keep slavery? Also keeping in mind that it's the looney right that always rushes to the defense of the super rich.
As one who lived in the South, I can assure you that until the Civil Rights Act, the Southern Democratic Party was Conservative.
I'll call you on that. Meet you any time in the bullring to defend that statement. And trust me. I'll make you wished you died as a child.
I am so sick of this shit.
Truly I am. I have not a problem with debating or discussing true history. But lying about history...............
I get pissed off. Don't do it PJ.
As one who lived in the South, I can assure you that until the Civil Rights Act, the Southern Democratic Party was Conservative.
I'll call you on that. Meet you any time in the bullring to defend that statement. And trust me. I'll make you wished you died as a child.
I am so sick of this shit.
Truly I am. I have not a problem with debating or discussing true history. But lying about history...............
I get pissed off. Don't do it PJ.
That the truth makes you angry is consistent with being a conservative.
But your anger doesnt change the facts.
How many people who still fly the Confederate flag today do you think are registered Democrats versus registered Republicans?
Because they were...they wanted the status quo...that is Conservativism.
You mean, the status quo of a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Yeah that is what Lincoln and the Republican party wanted to preserve. It is shameful the democrat party's role in slavery and the fact that they have yet to apologize. Or they have yet to apologize for what they have done to the black community since LBJ.
The Founders believed all land-owning White men were created equally(or at least this is who they first allowed to vote, some like Jefferson and Jackson thought all White men should vote). But to suggest the founders were radical racial egalitarians is just simply not in line with history.
Lincoln was a radical progressive, not in the sense of racial egalitarianism, he was in fact a white separatist who wanted to relocate blacks to Africa. He was a radical progressive in the sense he opposed the states' rights and federalism(and thus the right of voluntary secession the US was founded on). Not to mention how we suspended the Habeas Corpus and free speech. Abe Lincoln was a proto-marxist and in fact had the support of Karl Marx back in the day.
Karl Marx and Abraham Lincoln, Penpals | Critical-Theory.com
Anyone that supports Abe Lincoln isn't a conservative at all. But that makes sense, since the Republican Party is not a conservative party.
William Jennings was a politician long after the Civil War, are you high or just retarded?
Jennings was one of a long train of Progressive Democrats.
William Jennings Bryan had zip to do with the Confederacy. And by the way, you aren't Conservative, at all.
William Jennings Bryan is far more Conservative than you are.
No one ever said they did.Because they were...they wanted the status quo...that is Conservativism.
You mean, the status quo of a new nation, conceived in Liberty, and dedicated to the proposition that all men are created equal.
Yeah that is what Lincoln and the Republican party wanted to preserve. It is shameful the democrat party's role in slavery and the fact that they have yet to apologize. Or they have yet to apologize for what they have done to the black community since LBJ.
The Founders believed all land-owning White men were created equally(or at least this is who they first allowed to vote, some like Jefferson and Jackson thought all White men should vote). But to suggest the founders were radical racial egalitarians is just simply not in line with history.
Had those who drew and ratified the Due Process Clauses of the Fifth Amendment or the Fourteenth Amendment known the components of liberty in its manifold possibilities, they might have been more specific. They did not presume to have this insight. They knew times can blind us to certain truths and later generations can see that laws once thought necessary and proper in fact serve only to oppress. As the Constitution endures, persons in every generation can invoke its principles in their own search for greater freedom.
As one who lived in the South, I can assure you that until the Civil Rights Act, the Southern Democratic Party was Conservative.
I'll call you on that. Meet you any time in the bullring to defend that statement. And trust me. I'll make you wished you died as a child.
I am so sick of this shit.
Truly I am. I have not a problem with debating or discussing true history. But lying about history...............
I get pissed off. Don't do it PJ.
That the truth makes you angry is consistent with being a conservative.
But your anger doesnt change the facts.
When was Lincoln a Democrat?I don't have to justify something I'm not doing.
How do you justify the left rewriting history to makes themselves look pure as angels?
When was defending states rights a liberal position?
I described a clear link between the ideology of the Democrat Party in the past, and that of today. Instead of replying to what I said, you make an idiotic one sentence statement.
In the past, not today.
Thats why Southerners left the party in droves during the Civil Rights Era and after, and joined the republican party with promises of preserving white Christian culture and traditional values; the GOP entered into a Faustian bargain with social conservatives, Christian fundamentalists, and the extreme fiscal right, all of whom fearful of, and hostile to, individual liberty, diversity, and dissent.
And it worked.
Until a few years ago, that is - when young, minority, and women voters began to reject the GOPs message of hostility toward same-sex couples, gays, women, Hispanics, and African-Americans, they rejected the GOPs message of division and hate.
Now the GOP finds itself in a civil war with the TPM and other factions of the radical right, the establishment is actually funding campaigns of moderates in the hope of staving off the TPM onslaught of unelectable extremist candidates.
Jeebus. So what you're saying is, the civil rights era came off the heels of the civil war.
You just can not make this shit up with "pragmatic progressives". They will lead you through a maze of false premises, throw at you a few logical fallaices and then dazzle you with hyperbole/semantics.
![]()
This is such standard bullshit.
Why can't anyone just debate the truth any more?
As one who lived in the South, I can assure you that until the Civil Rights Act, the Southern Democratic Party was Conservative.
Correct.
The South has always been conservative, its party affiliation that changed.
I described a clear link between the ideology of the Democrat Party in the past, and that of today. Instead of replying to what I said, you make an idiotic one sentence statement.
In the past, not today.
Thats why Southerners left the party in droves during the Civil Rights Era and after, and joined the republican party with promises of preserving white Christian culture and traditional values; the GOP entered into a Faustian bargain with social conservatives, Christian fundamentalists, and the extreme fiscal right, all of whom fearful of, and hostile to, individual liberty, diversity, and dissent.
And it worked.
Until a few years ago, that is - when young, minority, and women voters began to reject the GOPs message of hostility toward same-sex couples, gays, women, Hispanics, and African-Americans, they rejected the GOPs message of division and hate.
Now the GOP finds itself in a civil war with the TPM and other factions of the radical right, the establishment is actually funding campaigns of moderates in the hope of staving off the TPM onslaught of unelectable extremist candidates.
When was Lincoln a Democrat?When was defending states rights a liberal position?
Allow me to repeat the question. When was defending states rights a liberal position?
You're claiming it is. Offer some proof. States' rights were the cornerstone of the Southern Democratic political belief.
If you wish to somehow argue that they were liberals/progressives, then start by explaining that.
OP- No one's more RW than slave holders, dingbat. Luckily, True information is the RW's worst enemy...
How many people who still fly the Confederate flag today do you think are registered Democrats versus registered Republicans?
Very few Dems to Pubs.