Why do Republicans hate "innocent until proven guilty"?

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

How long do we have to listen to their hypocritical shameful, disgusting accusation that Bill Clinton is a rapist, or the Clintons are murderers or corrupt embezzlers?

Prove it in a court of law, or just shut the hell up.

No. If Hillary and Bill don't like it, let them drop out of the election.

REPUBLICANS = ADMITTED LIARS LOL.

You can't spell liberal without L-I-E!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Does this mean we won't be hearing any more malarkey about George Bush committing war crimes or Karl Rove outing Valery Plame? Is this a Christmas miracle that democrats are going to stop claiming guilt without a conviction?

Yawn. The whole world watched in real time as the US destroyed millions of innocent lives for a lie.

Where's your real time evidence of all the crimes Bill Clinton supposedly did?

Use hyperbole a bit much?

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

How about the "hands up, don't shoot" lie the Dims have been telling for over a year now?

The Medical Examiner said it is true, that Brown was shot in the back.

But you don't care for facts do you.

Those facts were presented by the Medical Examiner in the Grand Jury, but the Grand Jury still acquitted.

Brown was a gangbanger and he deserved what he got, your pussy still hurt'n. Huh

Was he proven a "gangbanger" in a court of law or is that just the new "******"?

What crimes do ******* have to commit to be executed in the street without a trial?

Again. There are a lot of very bad people, and people who do bad things, who have never been caught or convicted for their crimes. Does that mean they didn't commit crimes? Nope. We are allowed to evaluate people based on their merits (or lack of) and to respond accordingly. If you're doing stupid shit with stupid people, just because you haven't been caught doesn't mean that you didn't do it. And we are not compelled to treat thugs who aren't in prison right at this moment as if they pose no risk.

They do pose a risk, and we will continue to shun them, and they will continue to get shot by cops, and by people who are defending themselves from their stupid criminal asses.

Except the Medical Examiner testified that Brown was shot in the Back.

Nope. Why do you lie about something so easy to prove otherwise? Are you simply a pathological liar? Are you getting help for that?

Independent Autopsy Reveals New Details About Michael Brown Shooting

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

The Medical Examiner said it is true, that Brown was shot in the back.

But you don't care for facts do you.

Those facts were presented by the Medical Examiner in the Grand Jury, but the Grand Jury still acquitted.

Brown was a gangbanger and he deserved what he got, your pussy still hurt'n. Huh

Was he proven a "gangbanger" in a court of law or is that just the new "******"?

What crimes do ******* have to commit to be executed in the street without a trial?

Again. There are a lot of very bad people, and people who do bad things, who have never been caught or convicted for their crimes. Does that mean they didn't commit crimes? Nope. We are allowed to evaluate people based on their merits (or lack of) and to respond accordingly. If you're doing stupid shit with stupid people, just because you haven't been caught doesn't mean that you didn't do it. And we are not compelled to treat thugs who aren't in prison right at this moment as if they pose no risk.

They do pose a risk, and we will continue to shun them, and they will continue to get shot by cops, and by people who are defending themselves from their stupid criminal asses.

Classic case in point, OJ Simpson. We had a year long trial in which he was aquitted, then a civil trial in which he was found liable for the wrongful death of the two. Now, either he killed them or he did not kill them. In this case, the courts ruled differently because of the differing standards of evidence. Just noting that court proceedings do not necessarily answer all the questions.

Precisely but I actually agree with that.

We aren't allowed to hang OJ Simpson for murder because a civil court found him "liable".

Lizzie Borden was found not guilty also!

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Brown was a gangbanger and he deserved what he got, your pussy still hurt'n. Huh

Was he proven a "gangbanger" in a court of law or is that just the new "******"?

What crimes do ******* have to commit to be executed in the street without a trial?

Again. There are a lot of very bad people, and people who do bad things, who have never been caught or convicted for their crimes. Does that mean they didn't commit crimes? Nope. We are allowed to evaluate people based on their merits (or lack of) and to respond accordingly. If you're doing stupid shit with stupid people, just because you haven't been caught doesn't mean that you didn't do it. And we are not compelled to treat thugs who aren't in prison right at this moment as if they pose no risk.

They do pose a risk, and we will continue to shun them, and they will continue to get shot by cops, and by people who are defending themselves from their stupid criminal asses.

Except the Medical Examiner testified that Brown was shot in the Back.

Wrong, asshole:

Shooting of Michael Brown - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Three autopsies were performed on Brown's body, with all three noting that Brown had been shot at least six times, including twice in the head. He received no shots in his back.[85]​

You're an asshole. teehee

I see you still cannot admit you are wrong.

 

[jknowgood]

Ferguson Missouri.....that's all I will say about that.

Don't forget about Zimmerman.

 

[jknowgood]

Was bin laden convicted in court?

 

[Rustic]

"Innocent until proven guilty" is just a legal term. People can actually be guilty in reality, regardless of whether or not they're convicted, or even caught. It's a fine point that doesn't make sense to the people who seem to think that the court determines whether or not a person actually did something bad.

As usual, you are dead wrong. The Presumption of Innocence ("Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt") is NOT "just a legal term." Rather, it is the cornerstone of our criminal justice system. It is what separates us from dictatorships, police states and societies molded after the misguided concepts of the conservative Right.

Without the Presumption of Innocence, we would have no need for trials. The police would be the judge, jury and imposers of penalty all in one. Nice and neat. Why not? We trust the police, don't we? The police would never arrest someone who hasn't done SOMETHING, and that is more than enough for the "good, law-abiding citizens" of the Right.

You'd better thank God for the Presumption of Innocence and not attempt to dismiss it as "just a legal term."

Your final sentence here: "It's a fine point that doesn't make sense to the people who seem to think that the court determines whether or not a person actually did something bad," makes no sense. Right in keeping with your usual blatherings on this message board.

All dictatorships are products of socialism/progressivism.

One of the main thrusts of neo-conservatism is maximum punishment for those accused of crime, diminishing the rights of criminal defendants and expanding the power of the police. These factors are also common to a dictatorship. Last time I looked, today's conservatives do not seem to be espousing "socialism/progressivism."

Saying is not doing, socialism/communism/progressivism turns up as a dictatorship type of government.

 

[sealybobo]

Yeah! Why does Bill Clinton take all those trips to his friend Epstein's Lolita Island where they hold 16 year old girls as sex slaves.

When will that be put in the Clinton library??
Lol

Today right wing talk radio was talking about how bill was getting millions from Abu Dhabi while hillary was sos and he wanted to go to north Korea but they decided that was going too far. Lol

Remember bill sold nuclear secrets to china? Another lie. If it wasn't don't you think the GOP would have brought it up by now?

Republicans lie so much they have zero credibility. The party that cried wolf.

 

[Rustic]

Yeah! Why does Bill Clinton take all those trips to his friend Epstein's Lolita Island where they hold 16 year old girls as sex slaves.

When will that be put in the Clinton library??
Lol

Today right wing talk radio was talking about how bill was getting millions from Abu Dhabi while hillary was sos and he wanted to go to north Korea but they decided that was going too far. Lol

Remember bill sold nuclear secrets to china? Another lie. If it wasn't don't you think the GOP would have brought it up by now?

Republicans lie so much they have zero credibility. The party that cried wolf.

Just as all career politicians do...

 

[kwc57]

Does this mean we won't be hearing any more malarkey about George Bush committing war crimes or Karl Rove outing Valery Plame? Is this a Christmas miracle that democrats are going to stop claiming guilt without a conviction?

How about the "hands up, don't shoot" lie the Dims have been telling for over a year now?

The Medical Examiner said it is true, that Brown was shot in the back.

But you don't care for facts do you.

Those facts were presented by the Medical Examiner in the Grand Jury, but the Grand Jury still acquitted.

Brown was a gangbanger and he deserved what he got, your pussy still hurt'n. Huh

Was he proven a "gangbanger" in a court of law or is that just the new "******"?

What crimes do ******* have to commit to be executed in the street without a trial?

Attacking a cop and trying to take his gun will usually do the trick. Try it. Please.

 

[sealybobo]

Yeah! Why does Bill Clinton take all those trips to his friend Epstein's Lolita Island where they hold 16 year old girls as sex slaves.

When will that be put in the Clinton library??
Lol

Today right wing talk radio was talking about how bill was getting millions from Abu Dhabi while hillary was sos and he wanted to go to north Korea but they decided that was going too far. Lol

Remember bill sold nuclear secrets to china? Another lie. If it wasn't don't you think the GOP would have brought it up by now?

Republicans lie so much they have zero credibility. The party that cried wolf.

Just as all career politicians do...

What lies did us liberals say about bush McCain or Romney?

In fact it was Bush's team that spread the rumor McCain's adopted black daughter was his illegitimate kid from an affair.

And Republicans cry about cruz' little monkeys?

 

[bripat9643]

Yeah! Why does Bill Clinton take all those trips to his friend Epstein's Lolita Island where they hold 16 year old girls as sex slaves.

When will that be put in the Clinton library??
Lol

Today right wing talk radio was talking about how bill was getting millions from Abu Dhabi while hillary was sos and he wanted to go to north Korea but they decided that was going too far. Lol

Remember bill sold nuclear secrets to china? Another lie. If it wasn't don't you think the GOP would have brought it up by now?

Republicans lie so much they have zero credibility. The party that cried wolf.

Just as all career politicians do...

What lies did us liberals say about bush McCain or Romney?

In fact it was Bush's team that spread the rumor McCain's adopted black daughter was his illegitimate kid from an affair.

And Republicans cry about cruz' little monkeys?

Harry Reid said Romney didn't pay his taxes. He admitted that was a lie.

 

[sealybobo]

Yeah! Why does Bill Clinton take all those trips to his friend Epstein's Lolita Island where they hold 16 year old girls as sex slaves.

When will that be put in the Clinton library??
Lol

Today right wing talk radio was talking about how bill was getting millions from Abu Dhabi while hillary was sos and he wanted to go to north Korea but they decided that was going too far. Lol

Remember bill sold nuclear secrets to china? Another lie. If it wasn't don't you think the GOP would have brought it up by now?

Republicans lie so much they have zero credibility. The party that cried wolf.

Just as all career politicians do...

What lies did us liberals say about bush McCain or Romney?

In fact it was Bush's team that spread the rumor McCain's adopted black daughter was his illegitimate kid from an affair.

And Republicans cry about cruz' little monkeys?

Harry Reid said Romney didn't pay his taxes. He admitted that was a lie.

Bullshit. He hides money offshore and hires illegals. Give me a link of him admitting he lied.

 

[koshergrl]

When will that be put in the Clinton library??
Lol

Today right wing talk radio was talking about how bill was getting millions from Abu Dhabi while hillary was sos and he wanted to go to north Korea but they decided that was going too far. Lol

Remember bill sold nuclear secrets to china? Another lie. If it wasn't don't you think the GOP would have brought it up by now?

Republicans lie so much they have zero credibility. The party that cried wolf.

Just as all career politicians do...

What lies did us liberals say about bush McCain or Romney?

In fact it was Bush's team that spread the rumor McCain's adopted black daughter was his illegitimate kid from an affair.

And Republicans cry about cruz' little monkeys?

Harry Reid said Romney didn't pay his taxes. He admitted that was a lie.

Bullshit. He hides money offshore and hires illegals. Give me a link of him admitting he lied.

""He didn't pay taxes for 10 years!" Reid said. "Now, do I know that that's true? Well, I'm not certain..." - Harry Reid Harry Reid is proud he lied about Mitt Romney's taxes

 

[Freewill]

How long do we have to listen to their hypocritical shameful, disgusting accusation that Bill Clinton is a rapist, or the Clintons are murderers or corrupt embezzlers?

Prove it in a court of law, or just shut the hell up.

Both ends of the spectrum jump to conclusions when someone from "the other side" does something bad.

All. The. Time.
.

Don't care, Democrats aren't trying to murder millions in wars for oil, or steal health care away from the poor to pay for their retirements.

And who is doing those things? What oil did anyone steal? Huh? Who is trying to steal health care???? WTF are you even babbling about? The Dailykos really needs to update their talking points.

All democrat have done is create urban gettos, shrink the middle class and kill millions of the unborn in their genocidal abortion mills.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

"Innocent until proven guilty" is just a legal term. People can actually be guilty in reality, regardless of whether or not they're convicted, or even caught. It's a fine point that doesn't make sense to the people who seem to think that the court determines whether or not a person actually did something bad.

As usual, you are dead wrong. The Presumption of Innocence ("Innocent until proven guilty beyond a reasonable doubt") is NOT "just a legal term." Rather, it is the cornerstone of our criminal justice system. It is what separates us from dictatorships, police states and societies molded after the misguided concepts of the conservative Right.

Without the Presumption of Innocence, we would have no need for trials. The police would be the judge, jury and imposers of penalty all in one. Nice and neat. Why not? We trust the police, don't we? The police would never arrest someone who hasn't done SOMETHING, and that is more than enough for the "good, law-abiding citizens" of the Right.

You'd better thank God for the Presumption of Innocence and not attempt to dismiss it as "just a legal term."

Your final sentence here: "It's a fine point that doesn't make sense to the people who seem to think that the court determines whether or not a person actually did something bad," makes no sense. Right in keeping with your usual blatherings on this message board.

All dictatorships are products of socialism/progressivism.

One of the main thrusts of neo-conservatism is maximum punishment for those accused of crime, diminishing the rights of criminal defendants and expanding the power of the police. These factors are also common to a dictatorship. Last time I looked, today's conservatives do not seem to be espousing "socialism/progressivism."

Oh please. Your second place contender for the Democrat ticket is an admitted Socialist. Your current leader was supported by the US Communist party both elections.

Republicans are for the rule of law and proper punishment for criminals. You on the left put guys in prisons with cable television, three square meals plus snacks, a workout room, a pool table room, and even a nice quiet room where a criminal can start a family with his wife. Then you say guns are responsible for all the murders we have in this country.

None of that in the federal prison system.

I don't know about the federal prison system because I don't know anybody that's been there. I do know several people that spent a considerable amount of time in non-federal prisons though.

In fact it was only a couple of years ago in my state where a prisoner claimed he was too fat to execute. HIs appeal was based on the fact his fat hid his veins. They killed him anyhow, but the question I had was how did he get so fat in prison?

 

[tyroneweaver]

How long do we have to listen to their hypocritical shameful, disgusting accusation that Bill Clinton is a rapist, or the Clintons are murderers or corrupt embezzlers?

Prove it in a court of law, or just shut the hell up.

I guess politicians driving little girls off bridges and then cowardly running away from the scene and leaving the victim to drown would be one reason.

 

[hjmick]

Oh boy, this FNG is hilarious...

 

[easyt65]

Liberals are doing everything they can to excuse / defend the pathelogically lying career sexual harasser, rapist, adulterer, and pedophile....




What's next? Weiner's weiner was 'photo-shopped' in a right wing conspiracy that successfully framed him?!



(I love the latest photos of Slick Willey and Bill Cosby standing together...how appropriate...)