Why do Republicans support a nuclear Iran?

[ogibillm]

Staying the course and maintaining existing sanctions will result in Iran having the capability to produce eight nuclear weapons within six months

Under the new agreement, Iran would not have the ability to produce one warhead in the next ten years

Is Republican hatred of Obama so great that they would rather have a nuclear Iran than for Obama to get credit for disarming them?

You are assuming that Iran would ever abide by the agreement.

Given the fact they have never stuck to any agreement thus far

they traded the hostages for weapons with reagan.

 

[deltex1]

Conservatives oppose this for two reasons.

They hate President Obama.

They are in love with war and are rabid in wanting to send thousands of Americans to die in a war with Iran. No need to look for any Republicans to be carrying a rifle in the conflict, they like to watch.

GFY

 

[Skull Pilot]

If Iran decides to go back on or cheat on this deal what's the back up plan? No one outside of Israel will use military force it took years to get the original sanctions in place so you won't just snap your fingers and put those back something to consider.

What is our backup plan now?

We don't like their compliance, nothing stops us from reinstating sanctions

As I pointed out it took years to get the existing sanctions in place and with Russia and China being less cooperative now than they were then that makes the possibility of getting sanctions reinstated even less likely.

Russia and China can drop sanctions right now...where will that leave you?

How about you address the point you claim sanctions can be reinstated I have pointed out how long it took to originally get them so how will you get them reinstated again? The reality is your chances of doing so are slim if that.

Sanctions are only as strong as your coalition

If we are not happy with irans compliance, we can put them back or make them more severe

Or if after the sanctions are lifted the coalition could crack and be less or even unwilling to restore them.

But no matter what Iran wins here because they will take advantage of the lifting of the sanctions all while refusing and delaying inspections for as long as possible. They're counting on the fact that our record on inspections is poor at best and that we will allow them to string us along for quite some time before we even try to restore the sanctions.

Even if we get sanctions restored Iran is better off because they will have benefited from billions of dollars flowing into their treasuries and will have had time to keep working towards their nuclear bomb and even build more secret nuclear processing plants.

I don't see how any of you can think this deal will be the boon you are swooning about. Iran's track record belies that completely

 

[hortysir]

Oh and you actually believe Iran will abide by an agreement?

An Iran which has never abided by any agreement its ever made is now going to abide by this one??

LMAO never going to happen and anyone who thinks it is a fucking moron.

They will destroy weapons grade plutonium and centerfuges before sanctions are lifted

What does the republican plan get us

Oh and you believe that?? WOW are you an idiot.

Iran will continue its work on a nuclear weapon in secret and will do exactly as they wish.

You seem to have comprehension problems
We lift sanctions AFTER we have verified destruction

If they want to restart in secret it will take ten years to get where we are today

So whats to stop iran from moving it's nuke program to those "no inspection zones"?

there are no 'no inspection zones'

iran refuses inspection - - Yahoo Search Results

 

[nuhuh]

Staying the course and maintaining existing sanctions will result in Iran having the capability to produce eight nuclear weapons within six months

Under the new agreement, Iran would not have the ability to produce one warhead in the next ten years

Is Republican hatred of Obama so great that they would rather have a nuclear Iran than for Obama to get credit for disarming them?

You are assuming that Iran would ever abide by the agreement.

Given the fact they have never stuck to any agreement thus far, signing that treaty would be the highest level of absolute stupidity in the last 30 years.

It's like opposing an agreement with Russia over Ukraine. "Well why would you be against having an end to war? Why are you against ending the bloodshed?!?"

And here we are, and what do you know, Russia is still all over the Ukraine.

You leftists, while talking arrogantly and proudly, are the most easily duped people on the planet.

Please, we struck nuclear agreements with the Soviet Union we did not trust, we emerged friends with China while not trusting them one bit, Germany and Japan are close allies after being bitter enemies. Why not Iran or is your fear getting in the way of your ability to look at this neutrally?

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

So whats to stop iran from moving it's nuke program to those "no inspection zones"?

there are no 'no inspection zones'

Not any you know of..
The Islamic Republic of Iran s Violation of Treaties and Multilateral Agreements UANI

your link doesn't show that there are any 'no inspections zones'
try again.

It shows there will be.

no, it doesn't. but if there were, that would be a violation of the agreement. that would mean that the sanctions would return, and we'd be no worse off than we are now.

So whats to stop them from starting their nuke program up once they get their money?
This deal wont be enforceable and iran has shown many times that they dont honor agreements. Not sure why you think this time will be any different.

 

[deltex1]

From here on out the only sanction left will come in kinetic form.

 

[ogibillm]

They will destroy weapons grade plutonium and centerfuges before sanctions are lifted

What does the republican plan get us

Oh and you believe that?? WOW are you an idiot.

Iran will continue its work on a nuclear weapon in secret and will do exactly as they wish.

You seem to have comprehension problems
We lift sanctions AFTER we have verified destruction

If they want to restart in secret it will take ten years to get where we are today

So whats to stop iran from moving it's nuke program to those "no inspection zones"?

there are no 'no inspection zones'

iran refuses inspection - - Yahoo Search Results

what do you think that proves? that inspections were an area of contention? everyone knows that.

 

[Skull Pilot]

there are no 'no inspection zones'

Not any you know of..
The Islamic Republic of Iran s Violation of Treaties and Multilateral Agreements UANI

your link doesn't show that there are any 'no inspections zones'
try again.

It shows there will be.

no, it doesn't. but if there were, that would be a violation of the agreement. that would mean that the sanctions would return, and we'd be no worse off than we are now.

So whats to stop them from starting their nuke program up once they get their money?
This deal wont be enforceable and iran has shown many times that they dont honor agreements. Not sure why you think this time will be any different.

Because Obama says it will

 

[HereWeGoAgain]

Staying the course and maintaining existing sanctions will result in Iran having the capability to produce eight nuclear weapons within six months

Under the new agreement, Iran would not have the ability to produce one warhead in the next ten years

Is Republican hatred of Obama so great that they would rather have a nuclear Iran than for Obama to get credit for disarming them?

You are assuming that Iran would ever abide by the agreement.

Given the fact they have never stuck to any agreement thus far, signing that treaty would be the highest level of absolute stupidity in the last 30 years.

It's like opposing an agreement with Russia over Ukraine. "Well why would you be against having an end to war? Why are you against ending the bloodshed?!?"

And here we are, and what do you know, Russia is still all over the Ukraine.

You leftists, while talking arrogantly and proudly, are the most easily duped people on the planet.

Please, we struck nuclear agreements with the Soviet Union we did not trust, we emerged friends with China while not trusting them one bit, Germany and Japan are close allies after being bitter enemies. Why not Iran or is your fear getting in the way of your ability to look at this neutrally?

Those countries never vowed to wipe Israel of the map and called for death to America on a regular basis.
They also weren't supporters of terrorism.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Oh and you believe that?? WOW are you an idiot.

Iran will continue its work on a nuclear weapon in secret and will do exactly as they wish.

You seem to have comprehension problems
We lift sanctions AFTER we have verified destruction

If they want to restart in secret it will take ten years to get where we are today

So whats to stop iran from moving it's nuke program to those "no inspection zones"?

there are no 'no inspection zones'

iran refuses inspection - - Yahoo Search Results

what do you think that proves? that inspections were an area of contention? everyone knows that.

what makes you think Iran will be any more cooperative regarding inspection than it has been especially when the deal gives them both notice and the right to refuse?

 

[Skull Pilot]

Staying the course and maintaining existing sanctions will result in Iran having the capability to produce eight nuclear weapons within six months

Under the new agreement, Iran would not have the ability to produce one warhead in the next ten years

Is Republican hatred of Obama so great that they would rather have a nuclear Iran than for Obama to get credit for disarming them?

You are assuming that Iran would ever abide by the agreement.

Given the fact they have never stuck to any agreement thus far, signing that treaty would be the highest level of absolute stupidity in the last 30 years.

It's like opposing an agreement with Russia over Ukraine. "Well why would you be against having an end to war? Why are you against ending the bloodshed?!?"

And here we are, and what do you know, Russia is still all over the Ukraine.

You leftists, while talking arrogantly and proudly, are the most easily duped people on the planet.

Please, we struck nuclear agreements with the Soviet Union we did not trust, we emerged friends with China while not trusting them one bit, Germany and Japan are close allies after being bitter enemies. Why not Iran or is your fear getting in the way of your ability to look at this neutrally?

You actually think we are friends with China?

Wow.

 

[nuhuh]

Staying the course and maintaining existing sanctions will result in Iran having the capability to produce eight nuclear weapons within six months

Under the new agreement, Iran would not have the ability to produce one warhead in the next ten years

Is Republican hatred of Obama so great that they would rather have a nuclear Iran than for Obama to get credit for disarming them?

You are assuming that Iran would ever abide by the agreement.

Given the fact they have never stuck to any agreement thus far, signing that treaty would be the highest level of absolute stupidity in the last 30 years.

It's like opposing an agreement with Russia over Ukraine. "Well why would you be against having an end to war? Why are you against ending the bloodshed?!?"

And here we are, and what do you know, Russia is still all over the Ukraine.

You leftists, while talking arrogantly and proudly, are the most easily duped people on the planet.

Please, we struck nuclear agreements with the Soviet Union we did not trust, we emerged friends with China while not trusting them one bit, Germany and Japan are close allies after being bitter enemies. Why not Iran or is your fear getting in the way of your ability to look at this neutrally?

Those countries never vowed to wipe Israel of the map and called for death to America on a regular basis.
They also weren't supporters of terrorism.

I beg your pardon, all of those countries swore to destroy the United States of America go read a book.

 

[nuhuh]

Staying the course and maintaining existing sanctions will result in Iran having the capability to produce eight nuclear weapons within six months

Under the new agreement, Iran would not have the ability to produce one warhead in the next ten years

Is Republican hatred of Obama so great that they would rather have a nuclear Iran than for Obama to get credit for disarming them?

You are assuming that Iran would ever abide by the agreement.

Given the fact they have never stuck to any agreement thus far, signing that treaty would be the highest level of absolute stupidity in the last 30 years.

It's like opposing an agreement with Russia over Ukraine. "Well why would you be against having an end to war? Why are you against ending the bloodshed?!?"

And here we are, and what do you know, Russia is still all over the Ukraine.

You leftists, while talking arrogantly and proudly, are the most easily duped people on the planet.

Please, we struck nuclear agreements with the Soviet Union we did not trust, we emerged friends with China while not trusting them one bit, Germany and Japan are close allies after being bitter enemies. Why not Iran or is your fear getting in the way of your ability to look at this neutrally?

You actually think we are friends with China?

Wow.

Yes we have normalized relations with many countries we do not trust but consider them friends. How do you think Cuba came about?

 

[IsaacNewton]

Conservatives oppose this for two reasons.

They hate President Obama.

They are in love with war and are rabid in wanting to send thousands of Americans to die in a war with Iran. No need to look for any Republicans to be carrying a rifle in the conflict, they like to watch.

GFY

Well done.

 

[Skull Pilot]

Staying the course and maintaining existing sanctions will result in Iran having the capability to produce eight nuclear weapons within six months

Under the new agreement, Iran would not have the ability to produce one warhead in the next ten years

Is Republican hatred of Obama so great that they would rather have a nuclear Iran than for Obama to get credit for disarming them?

You are assuming that Iran would ever abide by the agreement.

Given the fact they have never stuck to any agreement thus far, signing that treaty would be the highest level of absolute stupidity in the last 30 years.

It's like opposing an agreement with Russia over Ukraine. "Well why would you be against having an end to war? Why are you against ending the bloodshed?!?"

And here we are, and what do you know, Russia is still all over the Ukraine.

You leftists, while talking arrogantly and proudly, are the most easily duped people on the planet.

Please, we struck nuclear agreements with the Soviet Union we did not trust, we emerged friends with China while not trusting them one bit, Germany and Japan are close allies after being bitter enemies. Why not Iran or is your fear getting in the way of your ability to look at this neutrally?

You actually think we are friends with China?

Wow.

Yes we have normalized relations with many countries we do not trust but consider them friends. How do you think Cuba came about?

China is not our friend, neither is Russia.

I can see why you think Iran is going to abide by the deal now though.

 

[ogibillm]

You seem to have comprehension problems
We lift sanctions AFTER we have verified destruction

If they want to restart in secret it will take ten years to get where we are today

So whats to stop iran from moving it's nuke program to those "no inspection zones"?

there are no 'no inspection zones'

iran refuses inspection - - Yahoo Search Results

what do you think that proves? that inspections were an area of contention? everyone knows that.

what makes you think Iran will be any more cooperative regarding inspection than it has been especially when the deal gives them both notice and the right to refuse?

it does not give them the right to refuse. they can protest, but not refuse

 

[rightwinger]

Conservatives oppose this for two reasons.

They hate President Obama.

They are in love with war and are rabid in wanting to send thousands of Americans to die in a war with Iran. No need to look for any Republicans to be carrying a rifle in the conflict, they like to watch.

Imagine the complete hissyfit meltdown when he gets another Nobel prize for this.

Even worse....John Kerry will get it

 

[Skull Pilot]

So whats to stop iran from moving it's nuke program to those "no inspection zones"?

there are no 'no inspection zones'

iran refuses inspection - - Yahoo Search Results

what do you think that proves? that inspections were an area of contention? everyone knows that.

what makes you think Iran will be any more cooperative regarding inspection than it has been especially when the deal gives them both notice and the right to refuse?

it does not give them the right to refuse. they can protest, but not refuse

They can delay and delay and delay

It's still better for Iran than it is for anyone else.

And you still haven't told me why you think Iran will honor this deal when they have not honored any other deal they have signed with the Great Satan

 

[blackhawk]

As I pointed out it took years to get the existing sanctions in place and with Russia and China being less cooperative now than they were then that makes the possibility of getting sanctions reinstated even less likely.

Russia and China can drop sanctions right now...where will that leave you?

How about you address the point you claim sanctions can be reinstated I have pointed out how long it took to originally get them so how will you get them reinstated again? The reality is your chances of doing so are slim if that.

Sanctions are only as strong as your coalition

If we are not happy with irans compliance, we can put them back or make them more severe

Only if you can get everyone to agree to that once those sanctions are gone or eased and countries start making money dealing with Iran good luck getting the current sanctions reimposed much less more severe ones.

Then again, nothing is stopping those countries from lifting sanctions right now

Especially if the U.S. walks away from the deal

What I suspect keeps other countries from doing that on their own is the fear of losing business with the U..S and other countries around the world. After Iran gets the sanctions eased or lifted it would be pretty hard to bust another countries chops for doing business with Iran after we basically gave them the go ahead to do so. I haven't had the chance to get a lot of details on this deal yet but my gut instinct is long term nothing good will come from it maybe I'll be wrong and this deal will lead Iran to become responsible nation in the international community but I'm not holding out much hope for that.