Why does the House have no say on the budget?

[Oldstyle]

Another whiner whining.

The House doesn't have a say, you say? Are you effing kidding?

Do you even know what the Continuing Resolution is and does? It's the Republican-approved Sequester Budget that Harry Reid and then Obama signed off on. It cuts discretionary spending as well as spending on a host of liberal issues.

Why Republicans aren't passing it is baffling.

But to say they have no say is just stupid, when it's a conservative budget in the first place in a land where they only control one third of the government.

Obama gave them $9 in spending cuts last year for every $1 in tax increases, and you have the nerve to ask why Republicans don't have a say? Are you retarded?

This whole economy is still modeled after the Republican scam that is "trickle down", which really means trickle down pain for regular people but unlimited wealth for the very few.

Stop bitching. This is a Republican free market still at work for Mitt Romney and all your other heroes, just not you and every other regular person in this country.

Get a clue.

You state that Obama gave Republicans $9 in spending cuts for every $1 in tax increases last year and you tell others to get a clue? Wow...care to back that up with some statistics?

No kidding. You're not getting any proof of that lie.

In fact it was the exact opposite...yet progressives here don't seem to know that! I guess that's what happens when you get your viewpoint from MSNBC and The Huffington Post.

 

[BlindBoo]

I keep asking liberals this and not getting an answer. You say over and over that Obama and Reid don't have to negotiate, the minority Republicans have no say. But the Republicans are the majority in the House, and according to the Constitution, spending bills have to pass the House.

So how is it that when Obama/Reid won't negotiate, it's the Republicans who have no say and are the ones shutting down government? Stop dodging and answer the question.

Fact of the matter is the House has said no to negotiations many times since the Senate passed it's budget in March.

A Complete Timeline of Republican Obstructionism on Budget Negotiations They Are Now Demanding (Part 1) | Chris Weigant

Also have you wondered why Boehner reneged on his deal with Reid?

Reid: Boehner backed out of deal - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com

 

[BlindBoo]

The Dems will negotiate over entitlements and taxes. They will not negotiate over ObamaCare.

Simple to understand and yet sails a mile over the GOP's head.

Which is why it's the fault of the Democrats. The GOP controlled house is not required to pass anything just because the Democrats will not negotiate. And it's as you accurately pointing out the Democrats who will not negotiate.

House - Republican
Senate - Democrat
White House - Democrat.

That means the sides have to ... wait for it ... agree to a compromise.

That's true, they proved they can shut down the government. They could continue to sit on their balls too.

 

[kaz]

I keep asking liberals this and not getting an answer. You say over and over that Obama and Reid don't have to negotiate, the minority Republicans have no say. But the Republicans are the majority in the House, and according to the Constitution, spending bills have to pass the House.

So how is it that when Obama/Reid won't negotiate, it's the Republicans who have no say and are the ones shutting down government? Stop dodging and answer the question.

Fact of the matter is the House has said no to negotiations many times since the Senate passed it's budget in March.

A Complete Timeline of Republican Obstructionism on Budget Negotiations They Are Now Demanding (Part 1) | Chris Weigant

Also have you wondered why Boehner reneged on his deal with Reid?

Reid: Boehner backed out of deal - The Hill - covering Congress, Politics, Political Campaigns and Capitol Hill | TheHill.com

Wow, now I hate those meanie Republicans. Boehner didn't have the authority to speak for the Republican party and make a deal on their behalf. He probably realized that he was going to be chicken food if he didn't stand up on this.

So after all that spin, did you need to sit down for a minute? The Democrats have been clear that there will be no negotiation until they get their way first. And wasn't just referring to the party heads. You libs on the board are endlessly saying they are the minority party, STFU when they are the majority in the house. But hey, you're just baaaaking up your leaders...

 

[Seawytch]

The House has.

 

[The T]

I keep asking liberals this and not getting an answer. You say over and over that Obama and Reid don't have to negotiate, the minority Republicans have no say. But the Republicans are the majority in the House, and according to the Constitution, spending bills have to pass the House.

So how is it that when Obama/Reid won't negotiate, it's the Republicans who have no say and are the ones shutting down government? Stop dodging and answer the question.

Article 1, Section 7, And they're standing their ground.

I love how the people who know the least about the Constitution hide behind it the most!

Artical 1, Section 7 of the US Constitution:
All bills for raising Revenue shall originate in the House of Representatives; but the Senate may propose or concur with Amendments as on other Bills.

So we see that it is REVENUE bills that originate in the House, not SPENDING bills, and furthermore the Senate can amend ANY House bills, whether revenue or spending or otherwise. So quite in accordance with the Constitution of the US, the Senate amended the House bill, approved the amendment, and sent the bill back to the House. Boner then refused to bring up the amended bill, knowing it would pass, and thus owns the shutdown entirely himself.

NO SHIT SHERLOCK. Dingy Harry Reid is intentionally stopping appropriate legislation to make Republicans look bad. The intent is GLARING.

*IDIOT*

 

[mamooth]

Boehner has just declared he'll give a 6-week extension, if they make it legally impossible for the Treasury to solve the problem in the future.

Which is like a bomber promising not to set off any bombs for 6 weeks, as long as you dissolve the bomb squad.

Naturally, the proposal is going nowhere.

 

[Hoffstra]

Boehner has just declared he'll give a 6-week extension, if they make it legally impossible for the Treasury to solve the problem in the future....

please elaborate.

 

[Contumacious]

The House doesn't have a say, you say? Are you effing kidding?

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Show me where the ACA ORIGINATED AND WAS DEBATED in the Hoise.

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[Hoffstra]

Show me where the ACA ORIGINATED AND WAS DEBATED in the Hoise.

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The House voted for the ACA on November 7th, 2009. It was first introduced on Oct. 29th.

Various amendments were voted on, and all these amendments were debated.

The final vote also included debate. It was all on C-SPAN.

 

[The T]

The House doesn't have a say, you say? Are you effing kidding?

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Show me where the ACA ORIGINATED AND WAS DEBATED in the House.

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AND that's the point. It wasn't. Opposing legislation was shot down.

 

[The T]

Show me where the ACA ORIGINATED AND WAS DEBATED in the Hoise.

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The House voted for the ACA on November 7th, 2009. It was first introduced on Oct. 29th.

Various amendments were voted on, and all these amendments were debated.

The final vote also included debate. It was all on C-SPAN.

He didn't ASK you that...ORINGINATED...

Can YOU not read?

 

[Hoffstra]

The ACA faced debate before every single amendment was voted on, and before the final bill was voted on.

 

[mamooth]

Boehner has just declared he'll give a 6-week extension, if they make it legally impossible for the Treasury to solve the problem in the future....

please elaborate.

House Debt-Ceiling Plan Would Ban ?Emergency? Measures - Washington Wire - WSJ
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WASHINGTON – The House Republican plan to extend the debt ceiling for six weeks would permanently ban the Treasury Department from using extraordinary measures to avoid default, congressional aides said.

The provision would ban practices, used by Democratic and Republican administrations for decades, which have effectively allowed the Treasury to limit investments in pensions and other funds when the government bumps up against its borrowing limit. These steps have extended the time that Treasury can continue borrowing and paying the nation’s bills while Congress debates terms for raising the debt ceiling.
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[Contumacious]

Show me where the ACA ORIGINATED AND WAS DEBATED in the Hoise.

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The House voted for the ACA on November 7th, 2009. It was first introduced on Oct. 29th.

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LINK, puhleeeeeeese.


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[Hoffstra]

Show me where the ACA ORIGINATED AND WAS DEBATED in the Hoise.

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The House voted for the ACA on November 7th, 2009. It was first introduced on Oct. 29th.

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LINK, puhleeeeeeese.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Health_Care_for_America_Act#House_actions

 

[Contumacious]

The House doesn't have a say, you say? Are you effing kidding?

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Show me where the ACA ORIGINATED AND WAS DEBATED in the House.

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AND that's the point. It wasn't. Opposing legislation was shot down.

“It’s obvious why the majority has cooked up this amendment in secret, has introduced it in the middle of a snowstorm, has scheduled the Senate to come in session at midnight, has scheduled a vote for 1 a.m., is insisting that it be passed before Christmas — because they don’t want the American people to know what’s in it,” said

Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee.

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[Contumacious]

The House voted for the ACA on November 7th, 2009. It was first introduced on Oct. 29th.

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LINK, puhleeeeeeese.


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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affordable_Health_Care_for_America_Act#House_actions

The Affordable Health Care for America Act (or HR 3962)[1] was a bill that was crafted by the United States House of Representatives in November 2009. At the encouragement of the Obama administration, the 111th Congress devoted much of its time to enacting reform of the United States' health care system. Known as the "House bill," it was the House of Representative's chief legislative proposal during the health reform debate, but the Affordable Health Care for America Act as originally drafted never became law.

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[Hoffstra]

...“It’s obvious why the majority has cooked up this amendment in secret, has introduced it in the middle of a snowstorm, has scheduled the Senate to come in session at midnight, has scheduled a vote for 1 a.m., is insisting that it be passed before Christmas — because they don’t want the American people to know what’s in it,” said

Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee.

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all amendments were debated.

all alternatives to the ACA that didn't have the support of the majority of the Democrats didn't come up for a vote, just as Boehner today refuses to let a clean CR come up for a vote because a majority of the GOP doesn't support it.

irony huh?

 

[Contumacious]

...“It’s obvious why the majority has cooked up this amendment in secret, has introduced it in the middle of a snowstorm, has scheduled the Senate to come in session at midnight, has scheduled a vote for 1 a.m., is insisting that it be passed before Christmas — because they don’t want the American people to know what’s in it,” said

Senator Lamar Alexander, Republican of Tennessee.

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all amendments were debated.

all alternatives to the ACA that didn't have the support of the majority of the Democrats didn't come up for a vote, just as Boehner today refuses to let a clean CR come up for a vote because a majority of the GOP doesn't support it.

irony huh?

LINK SHOWING THAT c(H.R. 3590) ORIGINATED AND WAS DEBATED IN THE HOUSE.

COPY OF THE CONGRESSIONAL RECORD SHOWING THAT IT WAS DEBATED IN THE SENATE,


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