Why does the House have no say on the budget?

[Hoffstra]

The House has a huge say on the budget.

But the House and Senate have to agree.

Don't like it? Move to a dictatorship.

 

[Contumacious]

Not all posters are socialist scumbags like yourself.

They now how to click on the link, or ask their respective Representatives to provide them an official Congressional Record transcript.

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never has there been a bill passed by Congress and signed by POTUS, that didn't get a vote in the House.

sorry buddy, but you must have failed American Government 101.

It has been done before , no doubt by Reid's predecessor:

The Southern District of NY was getting ready to nullify a revenue bill originated by the Senate, The case never reached the Supreme Court because Congress mooted the issue by simply passing the same tax bill again in proper order. Hubbard v. Lowe, 226 F. 135 (S.D.N.Y.1915), appeal dismissed, 242 U.S. 654, 37 S.Ct. 12, 61 L.Ed. 547 (1917).


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[Hoffstra]

It has been done before , no doubt by Reid's predecessor:

The Southern District of NY was getting ready to nullify a revenue bill originated by the Senate, The case never reached the Supreme Court because Congress mooted the issue by simply passing the same tax bill again in proper order. Hubbard v. Lowe, 226 F. 135 (S.D.N.Y.1915), appeal dismissed, 242 U.S. 654, 37 S.Ct. 12, 61 L.Ed. 547 (1917).


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sorry bro, but NO bill gets through Congress without the House's vote.

 

[Contumacious]

It has been done before , no doubt by Reid's predecessor:

The Southern District of NY was getting ready to nullify a revenue bill originated by the Senate, The case never reached the Supreme Court because Congress mooted the issue by simply passing the same tax bill again in proper order. Hubbard v. Lowe, 226 F. 135 (S.D.N.Y.1915), appeal dismissed, 242 U.S. 654, 37 S.Ct. 12, 61 L.Ed. 547 (1917).


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sorry bro, but NO bill gets through Congress without the House's vote.

Of course, there has never been an administration and a congress composed of so many socialists bastards. Who always believe that emergencies authorize usurpations.

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[Contumacious]

It has been done before , no doubt by Reid's predecessor:

The Southern District of NY was getting ready to nullify a revenue bill originated by the Senate, The case never reached the Supreme Court because Congress mooted the issue by simply passing the same tax bill again in proper order. Hubbard v. Lowe, 226 F. 135 (S.D.N.Y.1915), appeal dismissed, 242 U.S. 654, 37 S.Ct. 12, 61 L.Ed. 547 (1917).


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sorry bro, but NO bill gets through Congress without the House's vote.

Prima facie evidence that you are a government employee assigned to come here a post bullshit:



Bill Text Versions
111th Congress (2009-2010)
H.R.3590

Bill Number H.R.3590 for the 111th Congress. Usually, the last item is the most recent.
1 . Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009 (Introduced in House - IH)[H.R.3590.IH][PDF]
2 . Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009 (Engrossed in House [Passed House] - EH)[H.R.3590.EH][PDF]
3 . Service Members Home Ownership Tax Act of 2009 (Placed on Calendar Senate - PCS)[H.R.3590.PCS][PDF]
4 . Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Amendment in Senate - AS)[H.R.3590.AS][PDF]
5 . Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Public Print - PP)[H.R.3590.PP][PDF]
6 . Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Engrossed Amendment Senate - EAS)[H.R.3590.EAS][PDF]
7 . Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (Enrolled Bill [Final as Passed Both House and Senate] - ENR)[H.R.3590.ENR][PDF]


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[kaz]

I keep asking liberals this and not getting an answer. You say over and over that Obama and Reid don't have to negotiate, the minority Republicans have no say. But the Republicans are the majority in the House, and according to the Constitution, spending bills have to pass the House.

So how is it that when Obama/Reid won't negotiate, it's the Republicans who have no say and are the ones shutting down government? Stop dodging and answer the question.

If you pass a bill that becomes law, you fund the law. If you overturn a law, you don't have to fund it.

Wow, the Republicans are being unconstitutional. That sucks. I do have a question. Then why do they have to vote on the funding in this year's budget if they are required to fund it? Can you show me in the Constitution where Republicans are forced to vote to spend money? I can't find that part.

 

[kaz]

I keep asking liberals this and not getting an answer. You say over and over that Obama and Reid don't have to negotiate, the minority Republicans have no say. But the Republicans are the majority in the House, and according to the Constitution, spending bills have to pass the House.

So how is it that when Obama/Reid won't negotiate, it's the Republicans who have no say and are the ones shutting down government? Stop dodging and answer the question.

The ACA is a mandatory spending law -- not discretionary.

Now do you understand why the GOP is trying to rewrite the law without a vote, without winning the Senate, without winning the WH.

They want a do-over. And when we said no, they kicked the ball over the fence. Fucking children.

DO you?

I know what liberals are saying, the problem is I can't find that forced funding claim you all keep making in the Constitution. Where is that?

 

[kaz]

I keep asking liberals this and not getting an answer. You say over and over that Obama and Reid don't have to negotiate, the minority Republicans have no say. But the Republicans are the majority in the House, and according to the Constitution, spending bills have to pass the House.

So how is it that when Obama/Reid won't negotiate, it's the Republicans who have no say and are the ones shutting down government? Stop dodging and answer the question.

The Democrats HAVE tried to negotiate with the republicans. A couple of months ago the Democrats passed a budget that the House refused to sign. The Democrats sent 18 requests to the republican House requesting that they appoint House members to a joint committee to resolve the budget problem. Eighteen times the republicans ignored the Democrats request. YOU CANNOT NEGOTIATE WITH A PARTY THAT REFUSES TO NEGOTIATE. Now that the republicans have stepped into the shit they suddenly want to negotiate. Obama warned the republicans about what would happen if they shut the government down and they ignored him. Let the republicans eat shit for their stupidity.

Well, you didn't jump over our hoops, now we're mad and we're going to sit on the ball and it's YOUR fault. Grow up, stop being an 8 year old.

 

[kaz]

What might be confusing you is the ridiculous and partisan republican demand that budget talks be predicated on involving changes to existing Federal law having nothing to do with funding the government

Hmm...defunding Obamacare has "nothing to do with funding the government."



Frankly since there is no budget, even the term "defunding" is misleading, it's not funded now.

 

[Seawytch]

I keep asking liberals this and not getting an answer. You say over and over that Obama and Reid don't have to negotiate, the minority Republicans have no say. But the Republicans are the majority in the House, and according to the Constitution, spending bills have to pass the House.

So how is it that when Obama/Reid won't negotiate, it's the Republicans who have no say and are the ones shutting down government? Stop dodging and answer the question.

The Democrats HAVE tried to negotiate with the republicans. A couple of months ago the Democrats passed a budget that the House refused to sign. The Democrats sent 18 requests to the republican House requesting that they appoint House members to a joint committee to resolve the budget problem. Eighteen times the republicans ignored the Democrats request. YOU CANNOT NEGOTIATE WITH A PARTY THAT REFUSES TO NEGOTIATE. Now that the republicans have stepped into the shit they suddenly want to negotiate. Obama warned the republicans about what would happen if they shut the government down and they ignored him. Let the republicans eat shit for their stupidity.

Well, you didn't jump over our hoops, now we're mad and we're going to sit on the ball and it's YOUR fault. Grow up, stop being an 8 year old.

Assigning people to budget committees is considered "jumping through hoops"?

GOP Has Had the Opportunity for Budget Negotiations..

 

[kaz]

The Democrats HAVE tried to negotiate with the republicans. A couple of months ago the Democrats passed a budget that the House refused to sign. The Democrats sent 18 requests to the republican House requesting that they appoint House members to a joint committee to resolve the budget problem. Eighteen times the republicans ignored the Democrats request. YOU CANNOT NEGOTIATE WITH A PARTY THAT REFUSES TO NEGOTIATE. Now that the republicans have stepped into the shit they suddenly want to negotiate. Obama warned the republicans about what would happen if they shut the government down and they ignored him. Let the republicans eat shit for their stupidity.

Well, you didn't jump over our hoops, now we're mad and we're going to sit on the ball and it's YOUR fault. Grow up, stop being an 8 year old.

Assigning people to budget committees is considered "jumping through hoops"?

GOP Has Had the Opportunity for Budget Negotiations..

You must have been a fun kid. Well, he did it first, she did it first, they were mean, they did that, it's not my fault, nothing's my fault! Obama & Reid are the ones who are saying they won't negotiate and the government is shut down. Whatever has happened up to now, the REPUBLICAN house has to pass a bill and it's your guys sitting on the ball. Pointing fingers while being a core Obama skill doesn't change that fact.

OK, so let's say the Republicans are the meanie poopy pants you say they are and this is all their fault. So what's the next step after Republicans had their chance, now you won't negotiate?

 

[Seawytch]

Well, you didn't jump over our hoops, now we're mad and we're going to sit on the ball and it's YOUR fault. Grow up, stop being an 8 year old.

Assigning people to budget committees is considered "jumping through hoops"?

GOP Has Had the Opportunity for Budget Negotiations..

You must have been a fun kid. Well, he did it first, she did it first, they were mean, they did that, it's not my fault, nothing's my fault! Obama & Reid are the ones who are saying they won't negotiate and the government is shut down. Whatever has happened up to now, the REPUBLICAN house has to pass a bill and it's your guys sitting on the ball. Pointing fingers while being a core Obama skill doesn't change that fact.

OK, so let's say the Republicans are the meanie poopy pants you say they are and this is all their fault. So what's the next step after Republicans had their chance, now you won't negotiate?

First? How about AT ALL? What part of "The GOP engineered the shutdown" don't you understand? The GOP had the opportunity since April to sit down and start negotiating a budget. They didn't. Why? Because they wanted to use the threat of a shutdown to force the president into repealing his signature legislation. It's not a secret. They telegraphed their intentions back then.

It's the Republicans that are running around pointing fingers at everyone except who is responsible...the Republicans.

A Republican said it "Lemmings in suicide vests"

 

[Jarhead]

The Democrats HAVE tried to negotiate with the republicans. A couple of months ago the Democrats passed a budget that the House refused to sign. The Democrats sent 18 requests to the republican House requesting that they appoint House members to a joint committee to resolve the budget problem. Eighteen times the republicans ignored the Democrats request. YOU CANNOT NEGOTIATE WITH A PARTY THAT REFUSES TO NEGOTIATE. Now that the republicans have stepped into the shit they suddenly want to negotiate. Obama warned the republicans about what would happen if they shut the government down and they ignored him. Let the republicans eat shit for their stupidity.

Well, you didn't jump over our hoops, now we're mad and we're going to sit on the ball and it's YOUR fault. Grow up, stop being an 8 year old.

Assigning people to budget committees is considered "jumping through hoops"?

GOP Has Had the Opportunity for Budget Negotiations..

No. It is considered a waste of time.

This administration has not had a budget in years. All they have are CR's....and to be quite frank, submitting budgets has proven to be a waste of time.

 

[Seawytch]

 

[Hoffstra]

its pretty stupid to say that the House has no say on the budget.

 

[Seawytch]

Boehner with Stephanopoulos...

BOEHNER: It's about having a conversation. I gave the Senate majority leader some advice at the White House about how to proceed. I gave him some advice over a week ago about how to avert this. And yet they refuse to do it.

STEPHANOPOULOS: But Mr. Speaker, he says -- and he said it publicly on many occasions, that you came to him back in July and offered to pass a clean government funding resolution, no Obamacare amendments, that was $70 billion below what the Senate wanted. They accepted it. And now, you've reneged on that offer.

BOEHNER: No, clearly there was a conversation about doing this.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Several conversations.

BOEHNER: Several. But--

STEPHANOPOULOS: And you offered a clean resolution.

BOEHNER: But I and my members decided the threat of Obamacare and what was happening was so important that it was time for us to take a stand. And we took a stand.

STEPHANOPOULOS: Did you decide it or was it decided for you?

 

[kaz]

Assigning people to budget committees is considered "jumping through hoops"?

GOP Has Had the Opportunity for Budget Negotiations..

You must have been a fun kid. Well, he did it first, she did it first, they were mean, they did that, it's not my fault, nothing's my fault! Obama & Reid are the ones who are saying they won't negotiate and the government is shut down. Whatever has happened up to now, the REPUBLICAN house has to pass a bill and it's your guys sitting on the ball. Pointing fingers while being a core Obama skill doesn't change that fact.

OK, so let's say the Republicans are the meanie poopy pants you say they are and this is all their fault. So what's the next step after Republicans had their chance, now you won't negotiate?

First? How about AT ALL? What part of "The GOP engineered the shutdown" don't you understand? The GOP had the opportunity since April to sit down and start negotiating a budget. They didn't. Why? Because they wanted to use the threat of a shutdown to force the president into repealing his signature legislation. It's not a secret. They telegraphed their intentions back then.

It's the Republicans that are running around pointing fingers at everyone except who is responsible...the Republicans.

A Republican said it "Lemmings in suicide vests"

You just repeated the point before. Your behavior is the Republican's fault. They made you do it. And it doesn't answer the question. OK, you're mad at them. So now you're sitting on the ball and saying it's their fault. So what's the next step?

 

[kaz]

Well, you didn't jump over our hoops, now we're mad and we're going to sit on the ball and it's YOUR fault. Grow up, stop being an 8 year old.

Assigning people to budget committees is considered "jumping through hoops"?

GOP Has Had the Opportunity for Budget Negotiations..

No. It is considered a waste of time.

This administration has not had a budget in years. All they have are CR's....and to be quite frank, submitting budgets has proven to be a waste of time.

The problem is they don't understand that because they consider any freedom or money that is not taken by government to be a concession. And they are tired of giving in like that.

 

[NYcarbineer]

I keep asking liberals this and not getting an answer. You say over and over that Obama and Reid don't have to negotiate, the minority Republicans have no say. But the Republicans are the majority in the House, and according to the Constitution, spending bills have to pass the House.

So how is it that when Obama/Reid won't negotiate, it's the Republicans who have no say and are the ones shutting down government? Stop dodging and answer the question.

The ACA is a mandatory spending law -- not discretionary.

Now do you understand why the GOP is trying to rewrite the law without a vote, without winning the Senate, without winning the WH.

They want a do-over. And when we said no, they kicked the ball over the fence. Fucking children.

DO you?

I know what liberals are saying, the problem is I can't find that forced funding claim you all keep making in the Constitution. Where is that?

Ok, by the numbers:

1. Mandatory spending is spending required by law. What is your confusion about that?

 

[NYcarbineer]

1. Mandatory spending is created when a law has the appropriation for the cost of the law

included in the law itself.

2. Discretionary spending occurs as a result of a law being passed that authorizes spending for its cost,

but doesn't appropriate that spending. The appropriation has to occur via other, separate legislation.

(Feel free to tell me where I'm wrong about that before I make my point related to it.)