Why exactly does America need the Republican Party?

[bripat9643]

I you actually knew the impact you would know that the stimulus not only created jobs, it saved jobs. The economy was in a free fall til it kicked in. Slow recovery is better than no recovery at all.

That's pure fantasy. Employment always goes down after it goes up. That's the history of recession, accept, that is, when liberals try to solve the problem by making government the employer.

The claim that the stimulus is the only thing that brought the unemployment rate down is too absurd for words.

The stimulus was the main thing that brought it down. Any economist will tell you this downturn is the second worst in history so therefore the least understood. Losing 800,000 jobs a month is no normal recession.

No economist would ever claim that recession won't end without some government "stimulus."

 

[bripat9643]

This isn't proof anything but of course you already knew that.

Don't let reality bitch slap you, Billy. You need to do some feinting at some point and you're not. You just ignore the facts and keep going with your mantra. just an observation...

I have provided facts this entire time. You look rather ridiculous claiming I didn't when you haven't put forth any of your own.

What facts have you presented? All I see are a lot of unsubstantiated claims.

 

[Meister]

This isn't proof anything but of course you already knew that.

Don't let reality bitch slap you, Billy. You need to do some feinting at some point and you're not. You just ignore the facts and keep going with your mantra. just an observation...

I have provided facts this entire time. You look rather ridiculous claiming I didn't when you haven't put forth any of your own.

An admission from your very own messiah isn't a fact?

 

[Billy000]

Don't let reality bitch slap you, Billy. You need to do some feinting at some point and you're not. You just ignore the facts and keep going with your mantra. just an observation...

I have provided facts this entire time. You look rather ridiculous claiming I didn't when you haven't put forth any of your own.

An admission from your very own messiah isn't a fact?

Give it a rest. You guys got nothing to offer this thread.

 

[Billy000]

Don't let reality bitch slap you, Billy. You need to do some feinting at some point and you're not. You just ignore the facts and keep going with your mantra. just an observation...

I have provided facts this entire time. You look rather ridiculous claiming I didn't when you haven't put forth any of your own.

What facts have you presented? All I see are a lot of unsubstantiated claims.

Based on what?

 

[Meister]

I have provided facts this entire time. You look rather ridiculous claiming I didn't when you haven't put forth any of your own.

An admission from your very own messiah isn't a fact?

Give it a rest. You guys got nothing to offer this thread.

 

[Political Junky]

Tell me. What good has it done for this country? Tax cuts have been proven to cause more harm than good. That has always seemed to be their biggest selling point. Guess what? It wasn't tax cuts that created economic growth during Reagan's years. If it was, we would have seen massive job growth during Bush Jr.'s years. We didn't. Job growth was pitiful until Obama came into office. In fact, we wouldn't have had the economic collapse in 2008 in the first place if republican policies worked. 2.5x more private sector jobs were created in Obama's 5 years than in Bush's 8. Guess what saved the economy, Pubs? DEMAND side economics. That was Obama's stimulus package. It has proven to be much more successful than supply side. The obvious reason why the unemployment rate is higher under Obama is because the economic collapse happened 4 month before Obama was sworn in! Obviously the several millions of jobs we lost would translate into a higher unemployment rate in his years. Whether you cons want to admit it or not, Obama inherited a steaming mess. Luckily Obama's stimulus turned the free fall into growth. Unfortunately, we still have a way to go. Obama himself has admitted that. Slow is better than nothing.

Why Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits Boost the Economy

(Explains why tax cuts do more harm than good and why Obama's demand side economics were such a success).

Obama?s Numbers, October Update

More Jobs Created Under Obama Than Bush, Non-Partisan Report Finds | Politics And Regulation | Minyanville's Wall Street

Come on. This is the party that convinced their base that tax cuts pay for themselves. Knuckle dragging logic. I don't pretend that democrats are the heroes, but there is no denying that democratic economic policies have worked.

So tell me repubs. What do you have to show for yourselves? Reagan? Please. That was decades ago. Nowadays you got nothing. There is no evidence republicanism has done this country any good. Bush jr. drove this country into the ground.

Tell me what would Romney have accomplished? Government spending would have continued under his reign. Private sector job growth was already happening under Obama. And healthcare? RomneyCare? Tell me, what exactly made Romney/Heritage's healthcare system any better than Obama's? Answer: nothing. Why? Because it is the same damn plan!

Oh, and the massive income disparity in this country? The massive gap between the middle class and the wealthy? We can easily blame that on republicanism. Since 2009, 95% of income gains have gone to the wealthiest Americans despite the massive productivity that the lower classes have accomplished.

95% Of Income Gains Since 2009 Went To The Top 1%. Here's What That Really Means. - Business Insider

I just heard Thom Hartmann ask a Republican to name something the GOP has done for the common man. The man said he couldn't.
They are all for the wealthy and corporations.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Lower the crime rate with strong prison sentences
Protect the private sector. Just as important as the public as far as I am concern.
Fight raising taxes to high. Sure we could raise it a little but what frances is doing is nuts.
Strong military. Don't kid yourselve into thinking we don't have enemies.

 

[bripat9643]

I have provided facts this entire time. You look rather ridiculous claiming I didn't when you haven't put forth any of your own.

What facts have you presented? All I see are a lot of unsubstantiated claims.

Based on what?

Based on your utter lack of substantiation.

 

[bripat9643]

Tell me. What good has it done for this country? Tax cuts have been proven to cause more harm than good. That has always seemed to be their biggest selling point. Guess what? It wasn't tax cuts that created economic growth during Reagan's years. If it was, we would have seen massive job growth during Bush Jr.'s years. We didn't. Job growth was pitiful until Obama came into office. In fact, we wouldn't have had the economic collapse in 2008 in the first place if republican policies worked. 2.5x more private sector jobs were created in Obama's 5 years than in Bush's 8. Guess what saved the economy, Pubs? DEMAND side economics. That was Obama's stimulus package. It has proven to be much more successful than supply side. The obvious reason why the unemployment rate is higher under Obama is because the economic collapse happened 4 month before Obama was sworn in! Obviously the several millions of jobs we lost would translate into a higher unemployment rate in his years. Whether you cons want to admit it or not, Obama inherited a steaming mess. Luckily Obama's stimulus turned the free fall into growth. Unfortunately, we still have a way to go. Obama himself has admitted that. Slow is better than nothing.

Why Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits Boost the Economy

(Explains why tax cuts do more harm than good and why Obama's demand side economics were such a success).

Obama?s Numbers, October Update

More Jobs Created Under Obama Than Bush, Non-Partisan Report Finds | Politics And Regulation | Minyanville's Wall Street

Come on. This is the party that convinced their base that tax cuts pay for themselves. Knuckle dragging logic. I don't pretend that democrats are the heroes, but there is no denying that democratic economic policies have worked.

So tell me repubs. What do you have to show for yourselves? Reagan? Please. That was decades ago. Nowadays you got nothing. There is no evidence republicanism has done this country any good. Bush jr. drove this country into the ground.

Tell me what would Romney have accomplished? Government spending would have continued under his reign. Private sector job growth was already happening under Obama. And healthcare? RomneyCare? Tell me, what exactly made Romney/Heritage's healthcare system any better than Obama's? Answer: nothing. Why? Because it is the same damn plan!

Oh, and the massive income disparity in this country? The massive gap between the middle class and the wealthy? We can easily blame that on republicanism. Since 2009, 95% of income gains have gone to the wealthiest Americans despite the massive productivity that the lower classes have accomplished.

95% Of Income Gains Since 2009 Went To The Top 1%. Here's What That Really Means. - Business Insider

I just heard Thom Hartmann ask a Republican to name something the GOP has done for the common man. The man said he couldn't.
They are all for the wealthy and corporations.

Obstructing the Democrats is for the common man, moron. What does spending the country into bankruptcy do for the common man?

 

[thanatos144]

Tell me. What good has it done for this country? Tax cuts have been proven to cause more harm than good. That has always seemed to be their biggest selling point. Guess what? It wasn't tax cuts that created economic growth during Reagan's years. If it was, we would have seen massive job growth during Bush Jr.'s years. We didn't. Job growth was pitiful until Obama came into office. In fact, we wouldn't have had the economic collapse in 2008 in the first place if republican policies worked. 2.5x more private sector jobs were created in Obama's 5 years than in Bush's 8. Guess what saved the economy, Pubs? DEMAND side economics. That was Obama's stimulus package. It has proven to be much more successful than supply side. The obvious reason why the unemployment rate is higher under Obama is because the economic collapse happened 4 month before Obama was sworn in! Obviously the several millions of jobs we lost would translate into a higher unemployment rate in his years. Whether you cons want to admit it or not, Obama inherited a steaming mess. Luckily Obama's stimulus turned the free fall into growth. Unfortunately, we still have a way to go. Obama himself has admitted that. Slow is better than nothing.

Why Extended Federal Unemployment Benefits Boost the Economy

(Explains why tax cuts do more harm than good and why Obama's demand side economics were such a success).

Obama?s Numbers, October Update

More Jobs Created Under Obama Than Bush, Non-Partisan Report Finds | Politics And Regulation | Minyanville's Wall Street

Come on. This is the party that convinced their base that tax cuts pay for themselves. Knuckle dragging logic. I don't pretend that democrats are the heroes, but there is no denying that democratic economic policies have worked.

So tell me repubs. What do you have to show for yourselves? Reagan? Please. That was decades ago. Nowadays you got nothing. There is no evidence republicanism has done this country any good. Bush jr. drove this country into the ground.

Tell me what would Romney have accomplished? Government spending would have continued under his reign. Private sector job growth was already happening under Obama. And healthcare? RomneyCare? Tell me, what exactly made Romney/Heritage's healthcare system any better than Obama's? Answer: nothing. Why? Because it is the same damn plan!

Oh, and the massive income disparity in this country? The massive gap between the middle class and the wealthy? We can easily blame that on republicanism. Since 2009, 95% of income gains have gone to the wealthiest Americans despite the massive productivity that the lower classes have accomplished.

95% Of Income Gains Since 2009 Went To The Top 1%. Here's What That Really Means. - Business Insider

I just heard Thom Hartmann ask a Republican to name something the GOP has done for the common man. The man said he couldn't.
They are all for the wealthy and corporations.

Freeing slaves, Civil rights, lower taxes, less regulation, what of these few things of the many they have done is not helping the common man?

 

[1776]

Democraps aren't for the middle class, they are for uber rich liberals that give political donations and the poor welfare crowd that votes for more handouts.

obamacare is a prime example of the middle class being fucked by liberals, paying more in insurance, losing their current doctor/insurance all the while not qualifying for the subsidies for the more expense plans thanks to obamacare....

 

[The T]

Democraps aren't for the middle class, they are for uber rich liberals that give political donations and the poor welfare crowd that votes for more handouts.

obamacare is a prime example of the middle class being fucked by liberals, paying more in insurance, losing their current doctor/insurance all the while not qualifying for the subsidies for the more expense plans thanks to obamacare....

Point of order? In OUR system ? Since when had we become a CAST SYSTEM? Does the Constitution call for it, condone it?

Hint? Don't fall for the 'class' nonsense. It's a nasty distraction. WORD to the wise my friend.

 

[ScienceRocks]

The only thing the party makes sense on anymore is 50% of the social issues.

AND MAYBE For fighting for the private sector. They do go to far BUT that's important that they do.

 

[Meister]

Democraps aren't for the middle class, they are for uber rich liberals that give political donations and the poor welfare crowd that votes for more handouts.

obamacare is a prime example of the middle class being fucked by liberals, paying more in insurance, losing their current doctor/insurance all the while not qualifying for the subsidies for the more expense plans thanks to obamacare....

Point of order? In OUR system ? Since when had we become a CAST SYSTEM? Does the Constitution call for it, condone it?

Hint? Don't fall for the 'class' nonsense. It's a nasty distraction. WORD to the wise my friend.

Good point, T.

 

[Billy000]

What facts have you presented? All I see are a lot of unsubstantiated claims.

Based on what?

Based on your utter lack of substantiation.

Lol just give it a rest dude

 

[The T]

Based on what?

Based on your utter lack of substantiation.

Lol just give it a rest dude

Hit a nerve Billy? Of course he did. YOU give it a rest.

 

[bripat9643]

Based on what?

Based on your utter lack of substantiation.

Lol just give it a rest dude

You give it a rest.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

The Republican Party used to be Burkean in that it supported the dominant consensus of the people. It was against (top down) political revolutions, preferring instead to let society change and grow organically based on deep social and cultural rhythms.

During the postwar years, great presidents like Eisenhower and Nixon supported the dominant national consensus for the New Deal and a government which was responsive to the middle class rather than a small class of private sector capitalists (and the lobbying infrastructure that would develop under Reagan). Americans, especially in the South, voted overwhelmingly for the Democratic party, which brought water and energy to many parts of rural America through FDRs vast public works projects. They also supported Eisenhower when he used Big Government to put our veterans to work building our national interstate system, which had a massive commercial multiplier effect as whole new parts of the country benefited from the cheap and efficient shipment of goods.

But the Republican Party changed under Reagan. A small group of powerful capitalists, mostly in oil and finance, seized power and drained the party of its moderate elements. They also funded a vast think tank and media coalition which was paid handsomely to use religion, patriotism and the culture war to fool average Americans into unwittingly supporting the tax and regulatory agenda of the mega-rich.

The New Right was determined to move resources once used for the public to a subsidy system for the wealthy. This meant they not only had to destroy the Welfare state, but they also had to get rid of anything that didn't help the wealthy, like the GI Bill, funding for education and transportation (and the vast network of government programs that supported the middle class). To achieve this, the Republican Party endorsed a top down revolution bent on destroying the great postwar middle class government that defeated the Nazis and helped build modern America.

Whenever a small group of people takes over a country, they always manipulate the sympathies of the poor and the stupid. Hitler's appeal to "Real Germans" is just like the Right's appeal to "Real Americans". In the front of the house, they claim to be supporters of the common man, but in the back of the house they ship the common man's job to Communist China, because sweatshop labor gives them higher returns. It's a fucking hoax.

The Republican Party has turned its under-educated voters into Revanchists who believe that their country has been stolen by a murky, outside force call liberalism. This is exactly what happened in Germany circa 1930s.

Hint: whenever a political party tells you that someone else stole your country, than it's usually them that done the stealing.

Focus people. You've been lied to.

The New Right was determined to move resources once used for the public to a subsidy system for the wealthy. This meant they not only had to destroy the Welfare state, but they also had to get rid of anything that didn't help the wealthy, like the GI Bill, funding for education and transportation (and the vast network of government programs that supported the middle class).

Considering we spend more than ever on the welfare state, education, transportation and middle class programs, they were unsuccessful.

 

[Billy000]

So you have no argument in what I posted? I guess we both agree with my post.

I you actually knew the impact you would know that the stimulus not only created jobs, it saved jobs. The economy was in a free fall til it kicked in. Slow recovery is better than no recovery at all.

The stimulus was a pay off for government workers (unions) and Big Government Cronies. Even Obama himself (belatedly) realized that there weren't really any "shovel ready jobs". So, we went into debt to hand out money to people who have fake government subsidized ones.

Where do you get this crap? This is like Fox News worthy bullshit. You can't be serious.