Why "Fast and Furious" will become another Republican Debacle

Must admit, I find it rather enjoyable watching the liberal progressive house of cards collapse around their heads and see how they attempt to spin their way out. Oh well, come November we will see if the voters are finished with the vanity of hope and change. Lets hope, because another four years would be disastrous to say the least.
 
Good point.

We might as well give guns to Al Qaeda, since they already have guns.

Let's see how many more terrorists we can arm with U.S. taxpayer purchased weapons.

Where do you think they got those guns in the first place? Stingers too. And CIA training to boot!

Ironic post..is ironic.

Good point, you got me.

What's even more ironic is you support the man and even view it as a wonderful achievement when Obama gave guns to Al Qaeda members in Libya.

Using terrorists to kill a terrorist?

Yep.

I like it.
 
No it is not.

the right has been claiming this Fand F thing was why this man is dead.

taht is NOT a fact is it.

Good point.

We might as well give guns to Al Qaeda, since they already have guns.

Let's see how many more terrorists we can arm with U.S. taxpayer purchased weapons.

well there was a time when we were giving them guns and training them, it was the olf afgan war under reagan I think

Yep and I'm sure you disagree with Reagan doing it, and agree with Obama doing it.

That's what happens to a brain when infected with hyperpartisan virus.
 
Fast and Furious: FBI report at odds with ATF claim on weapons - Los Angeles Times


The goal of the Fast and Furious operation, run by the Phoenix office of the ATF, was to allow straw purchasers to illegally buy weapons in the U.S. so agents could learn the traffickers' routes into Mexico. The agents were then supposed to intervene before the guns were sold to drug cartels. But agents lost track of roughly 1,700 weapons, and hundreds soon began showing up at homicide scenes in Mexico.

did you people just ignore these facts
 
Where do you think they got those guns in the first place? Stingers too. And CIA training to boot!

Ironic post..is ironic.

Good point, you got me.

What's even more ironic is you support the man and even view it as a wonderful achievement when Obama gave guns to Al Qaeda members in Libya.

Using terrorists to kill a terrorist?

Yep.

I like it.

You know after Qaddafi was killed those terrorists still had those weapons right?
 
Good point, you got me.

What's even more ironic is you support the man and even view it as a wonderful achievement when Obama gave guns to Al Qaeda members in Libya.

Using terrorists to kill a terrorist?

Yep.

I like it.

You know after Qaddafi was killed those terrorists still had those weapons right?

Well yeah.

They were and are surrounded by a bunch of peeps that don't like them much.

Al Qaeda isn't the only faction in there.
 
Keep up that ridiculous shit and I'm going to go back to calling you Swallow!

You can't help your true feelings, buddy..

Like I can't.

I can't stand gays..so stop offering to swallow my load.

Cause the answer will always be no.

As in no you pinko gay bastard.

:cool:
 
Using terrorists to kill a terrorist?

Yep.

I like it.

You know after Qaddafi was killed those terrorists still had those weapons right?

Well yeah.

They were and are surrounded by a bunch of peeps that don't like them much.

Al Qaeda isn't the only faction in there.

I have an odd hunch that if a republican were in power, you wouldn't be shrugging your shoulders at the idea of gov't using taxpayer dollars to arm terrorists.

Well shrugging your shoulders isn't the right choice of words, touting as an achievement and throwing confetti in the air is a better description.
 
The Republican Party has become the party of "Ah Ha". They think they have a new scheme. A new way to attack the president. To avoid responsibility. The problem with this current debacle is they struck "too soon".

If this had happened, say two weeks before the election, it might have had a chance to actually cause damage to the first African American Attorney General and the first African American President, but with this much time, people will learn the truth. And truth has proven to be the deadly enemy to this current Republican Party.

So forget the fact that Bush used Executive Privilege 6 times while Obama has used it this once. And what did Bush use it for? Things like protecting whoever outed a covert CIA agent, something people other than Republicans think of as "treason".

Forget the fact this program was "officially started" in 2006.

Forget the fact the agent killed wasn't killed with one of these guns.

Forget the fact Holder ordered this program stopped when he found out about it.

Just this simple one thing, when pointed out to thinking Americans, will prove this to be the scheme it is.

When an operation, such as this is put into effect, it takes years of planning. It's no accident is was started in 2006. You know something like this was going on for years. Because it takes years to train people. To make contacts. To put the operation in place. To acquire materials and knowledge. To gather intel. This entire operation began in an area of the country hostile to Obama with people who are Republicans to the core.

Holder didn't enter office with this huge operation already planned out and put in place on day one. It's ludicrous.

Look at the operation that took out Bin Laden after Republicans let him go and stopped looking for him. And it was a very small operation involving a limited number of people. And how long did they plan before the operation went into effect? How much training was involved? How much intel was acquired?

When the size and scope of "Operation Fast and Furious" is revealed and when it started and when Eric Holder took office, it will become apparent this is another attack on Obama by way of Holder. Now for these right wingers, it doesn't matter. They just don't care about truth. I believe my all time favorite post here was when some right winger said Iraq was Obama's fault. That we never should have invaded. This is the same kind of thing.


You've got a real problem here. The Fast and Furious program was started under the Obama administration and AFTER the Wide Receiver program was immediately stopped in 2007--with full knowledge that the Wide Receiver program failed.

The first known ATF "gunwalking" operation to Mexican drug cartels, named Operation Wide Receiver, began in early 2006 and ran into late 2007. Licensed dealer Mike Detty informed the ATF of a suspicious gun purchase that took place in February 2006 in Tucson, Arizona. In March he was hired as a confidential informant working with the ATF's Tucson office, part of their Phoenix, Arizona field division.[23] With the use of surveillance equipment, ATF agents monitored additional sales by Detty to straw purchasers. With assurance from ATF "that Mexican officials would be conducting surveillance or interdictions when guns got to the other side of the border",[24] Detty would sell a total of about 450 guns during the operation.[22] These included AR-15s, semi-automatic AK-pattern rifles, and Colt .38s. The vast majority of the guns were eventually lost as they moved into Mexico.[7][23][25]At the time, under the Bush administration Department of Justice (DOJ), no arrests or indictments were made. After President Barack Obama took office in 2009, the DOJ reviewed Wide Receiver in September 2009[26] and found that guns had been allowed into the hands of suspected gun traffickers. Indictments began in 2010, over three years after Wide Receiver concluded.
ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

So again we have to ask the obvious question. If Barack Obama knew that the Wide Receiver program flopped--why did his administration then start the Fast and Furious program which was 4 times larger than the wide receiver program that he was busy prosecuting offenders for in 2009? There is only one rational conclusion--that this administration was putting semi-automatic guns into the hands of violent Mexican drug cartels-(not to track as the wide receiver program was for) but so they could point to the violence and death in Mexico for reason to ban the sale of semi automatic weapons in the United States.

And that is why Obama has issued executive privilege at this point in time. If this could be proven-that innocents died--because he wanted a change in gun policy in this country--he wouldn't have a snowballs chance in hell of getting reelected.

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ATF gunwalking scandal - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia


2009–2011: Operation Fast and Furious

On October 26, 2009, a teleconference was held at the Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. to discuss U.S. strategy for combating Mexican drug cartels. Participating in the meeting were Deputy Attorney General David W. Ogden, Assistant Attorney General Lanny A. Breuer, ATF Director Kenneth E. Melson, Drug Enforcement Administration (DEA) Administrator Michele Leonhart, Director of the Federal Bureau of Investigation Robert Mueller and the top federal prosecutors in the Southwestern border states. They decided on a strategy to identify and eliminate entire arms trafficking networks rather than low-level buyers.[3][28][29] Those at the meeting did not suggest using the "gunwalking" tactic, but ATF supervisors would soon use it in an attempt to achieve the desired goals.[30] The effort, beginning in November, would come to be called Operation Fast and Furious for the successful film franchise, because some of the suspects under investigation operated out of an auto repair store and street raced.[3
 
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