Why GWB will be one of the greatest Presidents in MY LIFETIME...

The OP doesn't speak of the biggest problem Bush faced - and it was a very real problem that explains his abysmal job growth.

He inherited a middle class that - because of globalization and Supply Side Economics - didn't have the purchasing power to consume at the needed levels to sustain economic growth. As a result the economy became increasingly dependent upon bubbles and credit. Put simply American families were having to borrow too much in order to buy things, and this resulted in a debt-overhang (in the aggregate) that severely weakened their buying power. As a result the capitalist had less incentive to bring products to market because there were not enough solvent consumers. This meant the capitalist increasingly put his surplus capital into speculative bubbles, which were fueled by debt. Meaning: they literally fabricated high returns out of credit inflated asset bubbles until the system blew up and eviscerated millions of jobs.

Here's the kind of thing the OP doesn't know. In 1980 we decided that Capital was over-burdened by the world's highest labor costs and strictest regulations. So we began an era of deregulation (which devolved into regulatory capture) and we also waged war on unions (reducing their number to under 10% of the private sector economy). To further help suppliers, we globalized production so that, for instance, our largest retailer - Walmart - could move production to Chinese sweatshops. Made In China. The result of this shift was that Americans traded high paying manufacturing jobs for low-wage/no-benefit retail jobs. This meant that the middle class, having lost their high wage jobs, over-relied on credit to buy things . . . which eventually took its toll as too many consumers became too indebted to consume.

Reagan and Clinton experienced impressive economic booms. However, after the dust settled, we realized that morning in America was largely driven by a dangerous expansion of credit (debt). This hurt the GWBush economy because he inherited a middle class that was tapped out. This is why the Bush economy expanded credit to the non-credit worthy - because the economy ran out of credible borrowers and Bush didn't want to face the consequences of reduced consumer spending. . . so he expanded credit to people without jobs or collateral . . . and he grew the largest asset bubble in this nation's history . . . and his friends in the financial industry realized untold trillions . . . until the bubble burst

(and the result was the largest meltdown in nearly a century)

 
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The OP doesn't speak of the biggest problem Bush faced - and it was a very real problem that explains his abysmal job growth.

He inherited a middle class that - because of globalization and Supply Side Economics - didn't have the purchasing power to consume at the needed levels to sustain economic growth. As a result the economy became increasingly dependent upon bubbles and credit. Put simply American families were having to borrow too much in order to buy things, and this resulted in a debt-overhang (in the aggregate) that severely weakened their buying power. As a result the capitalist had less incentive to bring products to market because there were not enough solvent consumers. This meant the capitalist increasingly put his surplus capital into speculative bubbles, which were fueled by debt. Meaning: they literally fabricated high returns out of credit inflated asset bubbles until the system blew up and eviscerated millions of jobs.

Here's the kind of thing the OP doesn't know. In 1980 we decided that Capital was over-burdened by the world's highest labor costs and strictest regulations. So we began an era of deregulation (which devolved into regulatory capture) and we also waged war on unions (reducing their number to under 10% of the private sector economy). To further help suppliers, we globalized production so that, for instance, our largest retailer - Walmart - could move production to Chinese sweatshops. Made In China. The result of this shift was that Americans traded high paying manufacturing jobs for low-wage/no-benefit retail jobs. This meant that the middle class, having lost their high wage jobs, over-relied on credit to buy things . . . which eventually took its toll as too many consumers became too indebted to consume.

Reagan and Clinton experienced impressive economic booms. However, after the dust settled, we realized that morning in America was largely driven by a dangerous expansion of credit (debt). This hurt the GWBush economy because he inherited a middle class that was tapped out. This is why the Bush economy expanded credit to the non-credit worthy. This is the problem with economies that are sustained by credit (debt). They eventually run out of borrowers. And then . . . it takes a few generations for consumers to crawl out of debt. Problem is: once consumers stop spending (in order to repair their debt), the result is spiraling job loss, which makes everything worse, much worse. That's where we are now.

He made our borders totally porous.
Or is that too simple?
 
The only way Bush would be the greatest POTUS in your lifetime is if you were born and died during his reign.
 
He made our borders totally porous.

Ross Perot called it a giant sucking sound.

Reagan passed the largest Amnesty Bill in this nation's history.

He flooded the nation with cheap labor and finally broke the back of the overpaid American worker. He drove down wages (which increased profits) and set American families on a path where they needed to borrow more and more just to survive.

He also drafted the "Super Highway" (NAFTA) which was eventually passed by Clinton. The leaders of both parties would rather give business cheap labor than protect the American worker.

Who knew that John Galt would get in bed with Mexico and Communist China? Who knew that Ayn Rand's persecuted businessman would eventually move production to freedom hating nations? Who knew that the glorious American private sector cared more about profits than borders or freedom?
 
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''The leaders of both parties would rather give business cheap labor than protect the American worker.''

Successful free trade for the US NEEDS INVESTMENT IN EDUCATION AND INFRASTRUCTURE, WHICH REAGANIST TAX RATES AND PUBS DON'T ALLOW...
 
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He made our borders totally porous.

Ross Perot called it a giant sucking sound.

Reagan passed the largest Amnesty Bill in this nation's history.

He flooded the nation with cheap labor and finally broke the back of the overpaid American worker. He drove down wages (which increased profits) and set American families on a path where they needed to borrow more and more just to survive.

He also drafted the "Super Highway" (NAFTA) which was eventually passed by Clinton. The leaders of both parties would rather give business cheap labor than protect the American worker.

Who knew that John Galt would get in bed with Mexico and Communist China? Who knew that Ayn Rand's persecuted businessman would eventually move production to freedom hating nations? Who knew that the glorious American private sector cared more about profits than borders or freedom?

Ayn Rand, that piece of Inhuman Debris knew.
 
Buush, the ill-spoken. The cross-eyed War Monkey.

One of the worst Presidents of all time.

If he was so great, then why have GOP President nominees lost two elections in a row after the Boooshtard War Monkeyboy lilted back to his Pretend Ponderosa in Northern Mexico?
 
Thanks to the monied elites owning our political process, the US is a banana republic.
Labor is cowed
labor unions destroyed
we haveunparalleled military spending

Jesus christ, we have a country of over 300 million people and 400 individuals are the owners.

That's not the operation of cold impersonal economic forces. This is by design. Neo-liberal trickle down economics. Bush was a major player in this game.

And for some reason, yet unknown to rational man, we have slew of lower and middle class rightwingers who can't get enough of the destruction of any opposition to this madness.

Unions gotta go...destroy collectivism. Your owners....they earned it! Taxes are theft. Regulation is useless. Total and complete brainwashing.

One thing, why are you tough guys on the right so afraid of joining a union? Are your egos so fragile that you lose your identity in any collective / social situation? I think it is.

Here's the typical right winger bargaining for a job, Shelly Levine style:

I'll work for $50,000 / year and full benefits!
...
$40,000 with healthcare coverage!
...
$30,000 and no benefits
...
Ok, I'll counter offer no pay, but work uniforms MUST be provided
....
I'll pay you work! Huh, ok pally?
...You're hired.
 
For Bush to have been a great president, wouldn't he have had to do at least a few things that a reasonable person could categorize as 'great'?

Where are those things?
Here's just a few:

1. Ordered an invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 to overthrow the Taliban.
2. Implemented the $1.3 trillion tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, significantly
lowering the marginal tax rates for nearly all U.S. taxpayers (I still
recall the nice check I received in the mail).
3. Captured Saddam Hussein for which he was brought to trial and received
the death penalty. He was executed by his own countrymen.

My point which I guess has gone OVER MANY MANY people's heads are that NO other President has EVER HAD THESE EVENTS occur in their terms!
AND all of that during a period :

When 85% of ABC,CBS,NBC news anchors, executives, editors/producers donated to Democrats is there any wonder why the news is so BIASED and that most
of these people agreed with Evan Thomas when he said:

"MSM job is to Bash the President"...
Evan Thomas Editor of NewsWeek's quotes Well, our job is to bash the president, that's what we do." --
Evan Thomas responding to a question on whether the media's unfair to Bush on the TV talk show Inside Washington,
February 2, 2007.Newsweek's Evan Thomas: 'Our Job Is To Bash the President' | NewsBusters

MSM Job to Bash the President..."
But what about Obama ... any bashing here???

COLOR="Blue"]I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God." [/COLOR]
Evan Thomas on Hardball, Newsweek?s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ?Sort of God? | NewsBusters

And THESE EVENTS occurred yet NO one seems to remember these events that NO president has ever faced!

Did these events happen?? EVENTS NONE of the above Presidents ever faced!!

1) Recession that started under Clinton ended 11/01.
Specifically, 50.8 million jobs were lost through the first six quarters of the ‘01 recession .
Heritage Employment Report: February Continues Winter Blues
The 2001 recession officially started 03/2001... BUT the steps leading up to it started under Clinton!

DID THIS HAPPEN??
1) Dot.com bust cost $5 trillion in lost market value..
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $5 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies.
More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion ? Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

DID THIS HAPPEN??
2) Hard to believe but people forget that 9/11 occurred!
It cost $2 trillion in lost businesses,market values assets.

Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York!!
Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again. It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone.

Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the U.S.
The Top 10 Financial Events of the Decade

3) $1 trillion in written off losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history!
The worst Katrina,made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages.
Hurricane Katrina ALONE! Year 2005: Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
On August 25, 2005, Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast of the U.S. as a strong Category 3 or low Category 4 storm. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.
Hurricane Rita quickly followed Katrina only to make matters worse. Between the two, more than $200 billion in damage was done. 400,000 jobs were lost and 275,000 homes were destroyed. Many of the jobs and homes were never to be recovered. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced and over 1,000 were killed and more are missing. The effect on oil and gasoline prices was long-lasting.

400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita
2,800,000 jobs in NYC alone due to 9/11
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts.

Largest Gross Domestic Product in history!!
When Bush took office in 2001 GDP was $12.355,271,000,000
when Bush left office in 2008 GDP was $14,359,490,000,000
A 16% increase in GDP or $2 TRILLION.

Bush growth of the GDP was greater then Clinton in 2005 GDP grew at 6.5% Clinton's best:6.4%
Measuring Worth - GDP result.

NOT ONE person has said NO these events DIDN"T occur!
BUT why then are the Bush BASHERS supported even by conservatives in some ways!!!
 
because their heads aren't up another grown man's ass carrying his water for him like you do, good little boy.

maybe you should write a fan letter to George and see if he even acknowledges your existence.

"Dear George,

I defend your honor each and every day. See, I know people don't know how to do MATH and so I post MATH FACTS!! FACTS!!! to the dupes in big and bold colors, because it just doesn't SINK IN!! Can you believe this GEORGE! They JUST don't love you like I do, and it's not because you're not a hero - it's because MATH! FACTS! DATA! belch.

Oh, excuse me.

Anyway, maybe one day we can be together. Signed,

your biggest fan, this is stan."
 
For Bush to have been a great president, wouldn't he have had to do at least a few things that a reasonable person could categorize as 'great'?

Where are those things?
Here's just a few:

1. Ordered an invasion of Afghanistan in 2001 to overthrow the Taliban.
2. Implemented the $1.3 trillion tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, significantly
lowering the marginal tax rates for nearly all U.S. taxpayers (I still
recall the nice check I received in the mail).
3. Captured Saddam Hussein for which he was brought to trial and received
the death penalty. He was executed by his own countrymen.

My point which I guess has gone OVER MANY MANY people's heads are that NO other President has EVER HAD THESE EVENTS occur in their terms!
AND all of that during a period :

When 85% of ABC,CBS,NBC news anchors, executives, editors/producers donated to Democrats is there any wonder why the news is so BIASED and that most
of these people agreed with Evan Thomas when he said:

"MSM job is to Bash the President"...
Evan Thomas Editor of NewsWeek's quotes Well, our job is to bash the president, that's what we do." --
Evan Thomas responding to a question on whether the media's unfair to Bush on the TV talk show Inside Washington,
February 2, 2007.Newsweek's Evan Thomas: 'Our Job Is To Bash the President' | NewsBusters

MSM Job to Bash the President..."
But what about Obama ... any bashing here???

COLOR="Blue"]I mean in a way Obama’s standing above the country, above – above the world, he’s sort of God." [/COLOR]
Evan Thomas on Hardball, Newsweek?s Evan Thomas: Obama Is ?Sort of God? | NewsBusters

And THESE EVENTS occurred yet NO one seems to remember these events that NO president has ever faced!

Did these events happen?? EVENTS NONE of the above Presidents ever faced!!

1) Recession that started under Clinton ended 11/01.
Specifically, 50.8 million jobs were lost through the first six quarters of the ‘01 recession .
Heritage Employment Report: February Continues Winter Blues
The 2001 recession officially started 03/2001... BUT the steps leading up to it started under Clinton!

DID THIS HAPPEN??
1) Dot.com bust cost $5 trillion in lost market value..
According to the Los Angeles Times, when the dot-com bubble burst, it wiped out $5 trillion dollars in market value for tech companies.
More than half of the Internet companies created since 1995 were gone by 2004 -
and hundreds of thousands of skilled technology workers were out of jobs.
The dot-com bubble: How to lose $5 trillion ? Anderson Cooper 360 - CNN.com Blogs

DID THIS HAPPEN??
2) Hard to believe but people forget that 9/11 occurred!
It cost $2 trillion in lost businesses,market values assets.

Jobs lost in New York owing to the attacks: 146,100 JUST in New York!!
Year 2001: September 11 Terrorist Attacks
The 9/11 terrorist attacks were the events that helped shape other financial events of the decade. After that terrible day in September 2001, our economic climate was never to be the same again. It was only the third time in history that the New York Stock Exchange was shut down for a period of time. In this case, it was closed from September 10 - 17. Besides the tragic human loss of that day, the economic loss cannot even be estimated. Some estimate that there was over $60 billion in insurance losses alone.

Approximately 18,000 small businesses were either displaced or destroyed in Lower Manhattan after the Twin Towers fell. There was a buildup in homeland security on all levels. 9/11 caused a catastrophic financial loss for the U.S.
The Top 10 Financial Events of the Decade

3) $1 trillion in written off losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history!
The worst Katrina,made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages.
Hurricane Katrina ALONE! Year 2005: Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
On August 25, 2005, Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast of the U.S. as a strong Category 3 or low Category 4 storm. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.
Hurricane Rita quickly followed Katrina only to make matters worse. Between the two, more than $200 billion in damage was done. 400,000 jobs were lost and 275,000 homes were destroyed. Many of the jobs and homes were never to be recovered. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced and over 1,000 were killed and more are missing. The effect on oil and gasoline prices was long-lasting.

400,000 jobs due to Hurricanes Katrina/Rita
2,800,000 jobs in NYC alone due to 9/11
300,000 jobs lost due to dot.com busts.

Largest Gross Domestic Product in history!!
When Bush took office in 2001 GDP was $12.355,271,000,000
when Bush left office in 2008 GDP was $14,359,490,000,000
A 16% increase in GDP or $2 TRILLION.

Bush growth of the GDP was greater then Clinton in 2005 GDP grew at 6.5% Clinton's best:6.4%
Measuring Worth - GDP result.

NOT ONE person has said NO these events DIDN"T occur!
BUT why then are the Bush BASHERS supported even by conservatives in some ways!!!
Excellent points. I've always wondered the same myself. President Bush was faced with 9/11, Iraq war and Katrina, yet he managed to increase GDP, and kept overall unemployment low. He deserves credit, not ridicule.
 
because their heads aren't up another grown man's ass carrying his water for him like you do, good little boy.

maybe you should write a fan letter to George and see if he even acknowledges your existence.

"Dear George,

I defend your honor each and every day. See, I know people don't know how to do MATH and so I post MATH FACTS!! FACTS!!! to the dupes in big and bold colors, because it just doesn't SINK IN!! Can you believe this GEORGE! They JUST don't love you like I do, and it's not because you're not a hero - it's because MATH! FACTS! DATA! belch.

Oh, excuse me.

Anyway, maybe one day we can be together. Signed,

your biggest fan, this is stan."

 
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Dear Stan (healthmyths),

I meant to write you sooner but I've been busy. These paintings aren't going to paint themselves, and Jay Leno is becoming more and more friendly to the right wing. And they let him on that station!

Listen, I'm sorry that I didn't see you at the Inauguration, I must have missed you. Barb said you were wearing 37 got Bush pins and handing out napkins for your fan club. Thanks!

By the way, I admire that you stand up for what you believe in. FACTS! MATH! IS DAMN RIGHT. Luckily we have people like you going FAR FAR out of their way to stand up for their beliefs, ANONYMOUSLY, on the INTERNET! IT REALLY COUNTS, STAN!

But Stan, what's this about you want to be together? That type of shit will make me not want us to meet each other. Anyways, keep message boarding you great American patriot, you.

Don't do anything I wouldn't do on there!

Signed,

W.
 
Obviously the majority of Bush Bashers still refuse to believe these events occurred!

1) Recession that started under Clinton ended 11/01. DID THAT NOT HAPPEN??
These people think "oh I think I'll start a recession on 03/01".. And It happened!
As I illustrated you don't turn an oil tanker around in 30 feet and you don't stop a declining economy in one day!

Specifically, 50.8 million jobs were lost through the first six quarters of the ‘01 recession .
Heritage Employment Report: February Continues Winter Blues

NOW some idiots just shoot their mouths off and DON"T want like a little kid to be confused with FACTS!
But here are the FACTS!
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from 2001 to 2002 Q2 there were 47.6 million jobs GAINED ........But during that time 50.8 million jobs were lost a NET loss of 3.2 million!

2) Dot.com bust happened and in doing so $5 trillion were lost hundreds of thousands of jobs lost! DID THAT NOT HAPPEN???


3) Did 9/11 not happen? 2.5 million jobs lost!

"Ongoing uncertainty about the war on terror has contributed to the loss of more than 2.5 million jobs in the 18 months following the Sept. 11, 2001 terrorist attacks, said John A. Challenger, CEO of Chicago-based Challenger, Gray & Christmas.
Job cuts in the 18 months before Sept. 11 tallied 1,642,988 positions lost.
From Sept. 11 through the end of February, job losses totaled 2,523,217, an increase of 54%, or 880,988 jobs, Challenger said.
The largest losses were in the transportation industry, where 226,674 jobs were eliminated,
and the aerospace/defense sector, where 138,937 jobs were cut.
But he noted that since the attacks people have been flying less, which has reduced the number of face-to-face meetings, which he said are vital for creating new partnerships between companies, new ideas and new entrepreneurial opportunities.
Job losses since 9/11 attacks top 2.5 million - Computerworld

4) finally these idiots don't seem to understand that during Bush's terms the WORST HURRICANE SEASONS not one hurricane or one season with 7 of the top ten worst hurricanes happening!

3) $1 trillion in written off losses due to the WORST Hurricane SEASONS in history!
The worst Katrina,made landfall in Louisiana as a Category 3 in 2005. It took 1,836 lives and caused $81.2 billion in damages.
Hurricane Katrina ALONE! Year 2005: Hurricanes Katrina and Rita
On August 25, 2005, Hurricane Katrina hit the Gulf Coast of the U.S. as a strong Category 3 or low Category 4 storm. It quickly became the biggest natural disaster in U.S. history, almost destroying New Orleans due to severe flooding.
Hurricane Rita quickly followed Katrina only to make matters worse. Between the two, more than $200 billion in damage was done. 400,000 jobs were lost and 275,000 homes were destroyed. Many of the jobs and homes were never to be recovered. Hundreds of thousands of people were displaced and over 1,000 were killed and more are missing. The effect on oil and gasoline prices was long-lasting.



So why are these BUSH BASHERS ignoring these events? These EVENTS drove policy decisions! Created at a cost of $600 billion Homeland Security!
Bush decisions saved 28 million people from a dictator who used drills and pliers on people... who would if in power today have starved nearly 2 million more children by now... if not the fact the "1991 CEASE FIRE" SADDAM agreed to he broke dozens of times and we ignored!

BUT when Saddam lead the cheering in the streets on 9/11 was the final straw!
Why would ANY country other then an ENEMY cheer the deaths and destructions of another country?

So Bush did what these 32 democrat quotes ASKED FOR.... STOPPED SADDAM!!!
In any of the below quotes was there ANY discussion of giving Saddam more rope?? Didn't we have enough rope by now??

"..deny Iraq the capacity to develop WMD".Bill Clinton,1998
"..most brutal dictators of Century", Biden,1998
"Iraq compliance with Resolution 687 becomes shell game"..Daschle 1998
"He will use those WMDs again,as he has ten times since 1983" ..Berger Clinton Ntl. Secur. Advr 1998
"posed by Iraq's refusal to end its WMD programs" Levin 1998
"Saddam has been engaged in development of WMDs which is a threat.."Pelosi 1998 WHERE'D SHE GET THIS INFORMATION BEFORE BUSH?
"Hussein has chosen to spend his money on building WMDS.."Albright 1999
"Saddam to refine delivery systems, that will threaten the US..."Graham 2001
"Saddam has ignored the mandate of the UN and is building WMDs and the means to deliver.." Levin 2002
"Iraq's search for WMDs ...will continue as long as Saddam's in power"..Gore 2002
"Saddam retains stockpiles of WMDS.."Byrd 2002
"..give President authority to use force..to disarm Saddam because an arsenal of WMDs..threat our security"..Kerry 2002
"..Unmistakable evidence Saddam developing nuclear weapons next 5 years.."Rockefeller 2002
"Violated over 11 years every UN resolution demanding disarming WMDs.."Waxman 2002
"He's given aid,comfort & sanctuary to al Qaeda members..and keep developing WMDs"..Hillary 2002
"Compelling evidence Saddam has WMDs production storage capacity.." Graham 2002
"Without a question, we need to disarm Saddam. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime .... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real ...."Kerry , Jan. 23. 2003.
 
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healthmyths

none of that matters, Bush beat their clowns twice, thats why they hate him.
 
Housing Bubble, off-shoring, business visas, open border.
Oh, forgot Sep 2008 crash proving GW administration was OutOfItsF*inhMind.
 

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