Why hasn't Mike Flynn been indicted??? (should worry Trumpsters)

[OKTexas]

Has nothing to do with me child, you come up with these weird scenarios and get pissy when they're challenged.

True....I once came up with a really weird scenario about Manafort being indicted. Boy, was I way off base..........LOL

Correct, because you predicted it would be related to the campaign, it wasn't.


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NO, WE ACTUALLY PREDICTED it would be for money laundering for the Russians....and it was for that....

Really, I guess I missed that, the money laundering was connected to his own funds and supposedly trying to hide them. Where did the indictment mention him laundering money for anyone else?


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In the indictment, it says the Cypress bank account that he laundered the money from was in Manafort's name, and Gates' name AND in the name of Putin's right hand man Oligarch....a Russian Oligarch's name....the THREE of them owned the account they were buying things with in the USA..... Cypress Bank, is a Russian Oligarch used bank to launder money, and guess who headed that bank before he was made our Commerce Secretary by President Trump? Our very own, Wilbur Ross..... and Wilbur Ross handled the sale of Trump's property to the Russian Oligarch for the $50 million in pure profit given to Trump in a DOWNWARD moving real estate market, for a home that was ultimately destroyed once the Russian oligarch bought it for the $50 MILLION MORE than it was worth at the time....

this is deeper than pastry my dear....we ain't even close to the end of all of this...

I don't want to be a wet blanket in your fantasy, but what was Trump asking for the property? Was it less than it sold for?


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[Care4all]

Why did Manafort beg Trump for his Trump Campaign Manager Job, and OFFERED to do it for FREE???

For FREE for goodness sake!? (or was it for free? Was someone else paying him?)

I'm with Nat on perhaps president Trump just did not know all that was going on around him....? And he was simply duped? I am just not certain yet, either way....not enough has been leaked or released yet, to know for sure....

 

[EvilCat Breath]

No, there is another possibility, there could be no there there.

So, you don't find it "puzzling" that Manafort was indicted (among other charges) for NOT registering under the FARA, while Flynn who also did NOT register has not been indicted???

Hope spring eternal in Trump cultists' hearts...........LOL

Very few people are ever indicted for not registering under FARA. Normally they just go and register.

 

[radical right]

Wilbur Ross handled the sale of Trump's property to the Russian Oligarch for the $50 million in pure profit given to Trump in a DOWNWARD moving real estate market, for a home that was ultimately destroyed once the Russian oligarch bought it for the $50 MILLION MORE than it was worth at the time....

this is deeper than pastry my dear....we ain't even close to the end of all of this...

I don't want to be a wet blanket in your fantasy, but what was Trump asking for the property? Was it less than it sold for?
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Trump wa sasking $50 million more than it was worth. Knowing only an idiot, or an oligarch would meet his price.

And how do we know how much it was worth? Trump filed it with the tax accessor, and since it's florida it's a public record.

 

[Care4all]

True....I once came up with a really weird scenario about Manafort being indicted. Boy, was I way off base..........LOL

Correct, because you predicted it would be related to the campaign, it wasn't.


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NO, WE ACTUALLY PREDICTED it would be for money laundering for the Russians....and it was for that....

Really, I guess I missed that, the money laundering was connected to his own funds and supposedly trying to hide them. Where did the indictment mention him laundering money for anyone else?


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In the indictment, it says the Cypress bank account that he laundered the money from was in Manafort's name, and Gates' name AND in the name of Putin's right hand man Oligarch....a Russian Oligarch's name....the THREE of them owned the account they were buying things with in the USA..... Cypress Bank, is a Russian Oligarch used bank to launder money, and guess who headed that bank before he was made our Commerce Secretary by President Trump? Our very own, Wilbur Ross..... and Wilbur Ross handled the sale of Trump's property to the Russian Oligarch for the $50 million in pure profit given to Trump in a DOWNWARD moving real estate market, for a home that was ultimately destroyed once the Russian oligarch bought it for the $50 MILLION MORE than it was worth at the time....

this is deeper than pastry my dear....we ain't even close to the end of all of this...

I don't want to be a wet blanket in your fantasy, but what was Trump asking for the property? Was it less than it sold for?


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Trump bought the property for around $45 million, right before the Housing BUST and sold it about 2 years later DURING the Housing crisis for around $95 million, to a Russian Oligarch, who purchased it through....this same Cypress bank that Manafort used to launder the money he was getting.... and the same bank that Wilbur Ross, our Commerce Secretary used to be vice Chairman at....a Russian was the other Vice chairman....

 

[radical right]

Very few people are ever indicted for not registering under FARA. Normally they just go and register.

Not when they launder $75 million dollars.

 

[OKTexas]

Wilbur Ross handled the sale of Trump's property to the Russian Oligarch for the $50 million in pure profit given to Trump in a DOWNWARD moving real estate market, for a home that was ultimately destroyed once the Russian oligarch bought it for the $50 MILLION MORE than it was worth at the time....

this is deeper than pastry my dear....we ain't even close to the end of all of this...

I don't want to be a wet blanket in your fantasy, but what was Trump asking for the property? Was it less than it sold for?
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Trump wa sasking $50 million more than it was worth. Knowing only an idiot, or an oligarch would meet his price.

And how do we know how much it was worth? Trump filed it with the tax accessor, and since it's florida it's a public record.

My property isn't assessed at what I could sell it for, everyone tries to shuck and jibe the tax assessor to keep their bill down. And idiots are born everyday, I know a lot of people that have more money than brains. All you need to prove that theory is look at the lines of people to spend a thousand dollars for a freaking phone.


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[Hutch Starskey]

Really, I guess I missed that, the money laundering was connected to his own funds and supposedly trying to hide them. Where did the indictment mention him laundering money for anyone else?


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Here we go again

Paragraph 6 states Manafort laundered $75 million, of which $18 million was from Manafort and $3 million from Gates. The rest, by definition, was laundered for the benefit of somebody else.

Who's money was it? BTW Former AG Michael Mukasey said on a Fox show today that there is no such crime as conspiracy against the US, he said an allegation of conspiracy to commit a violation of a specific criminal statute is required and Mueller's wording don't cut it. I think a severely amended complaint is in Muellers future.


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It's very real.

What is 'conspiracy against the United States'?

 

[OKTexas]

Correct, because you predicted it would be related to the campaign, it wasn't.


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NO, WE ACTUALLY PREDICTED it would be for money laundering for the Russians....and it was for that....

Really, I guess I missed that, the money laundering was connected to his own funds and supposedly trying to hide them. Where did the indictment mention him laundering money for anyone else?


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In the indictment, it says the Cypress bank account that he laundered the money from was in Manafort's name, and Gates' name AND in the name of Putin's right hand man Oligarch....a Russian Oligarch's name....the THREE of them owned the account they were buying things with in the USA..... Cypress Bank, is a Russian Oligarch used bank to launder money, and guess who headed that bank before he was made our Commerce Secretary by President Trump? Our very own, Wilbur Ross..... and Wilbur Ross handled the sale of Trump's property to the Russian Oligarch for the $50 million in pure profit given to Trump in a DOWNWARD moving real estate market, for a home that was ultimately destroyed once the Russian oligarch bought it for the $50 MILLION MORE than it was worth at the time....

this is deeper than pastry my dear....we ain't even close to the end of all of this...

I don't want to be a wet blanket in your fantasy, but what was Trump asking for the property? Was it less than it sold for?


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Trump bought the property for around $45 million, right before the Housing BUST and sold it about 2 years later DURING the Housing crisis for around $95 million, to a Russian Oligarch, who purchased it through....this same Cypress bank that Manafort used to launder the money he was getting.... and the same bank that Wilbur Ross, our Commerce Secretary used to be vice Chairman at....a Russian was the other Vice chairman....

So now it's Trumps fault that he didn't properly vet a cash buyer? Would you?


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[nat4900]

My property isn't assessed at what I could sell it for, everyone tries to shuck and jibe the tax assessor to keep their bill down. And idiots are born everyday, I know a lot of people that have more money than brains. All you need to prove that theory is look at the lines of people to spend a thousand dollars for a freaking phone.

.......but isn't it EVER INTERESTING that Trump's lucrative deals are almost always connected to Russians??? Amazing coincidences!!!

“We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.” Eric Trump

 

[OKTexas]

Really, I guess I missed that, the money laundering was connected to his own funds and supposedly trying to hide them. Where did the indictment mention him laundering money for anyone else?


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Here we go again

Paragraph 6 states Manafort laundered $75 million, of which $18 million was from Manafort and $3 million from Gates. The rest, by definition, was laundered for the benefit of somebody else.

Who's money was it? BTW Former AG Michael Mukasey said on a Fox show today that there is no such crime as conspiracy against the US, he said an allegation of conspiracy to commit a violation of a specific criminal statute is required and Mueller's wording don't cut it. I think a severely amended complaint is in Muellers future.


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It's very real.

What is 'conspiracy against the United States'?

I guess Mukasey was wrong, what I don't get is how does trying to cheat impair the lawful functions of a government agency. Would anyone charged with cheating on their taxes would be guilty of that also?


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[radical right]

And how do we know how much it was worth? Trump filed it with the tax accessor, and since it's florida it's a public record.

My property isn't assessed at what I could sell it for, everyone tries to shuck and jibe the tax assessor to keep their bill down.
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Trump cut his assessment by a couple of million, not by the $50 million MORE he got from the oligarch.

So Trump may have knocked it down from $55 million to $50 million, before selling it for $100 million to an oligarch.

 

[OKTexas]

My property isn't assessed at what I could sell it for, everyone tries to shuck and jibe the tax assessor to keep their bill down. And idiots are born everyday, I know a lot of people that have more money than brains. All you need to prove that theory is look at the lines of people to spend a thousand dollars for a freaking phone.

.......but isn't it EVER INTERESTING that Trump's lucrative deals are almost always connected to Russians??? Amazing coincidences!!!

“We don’t rely on American banks. We have all the funding we need out of Russia.” Eric Trump

And that was said when? I thought he was deep into the bank of China, what happened to that?


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[OKTexas]

And how do we know how much it was worth? Trump filed it with the tax accessor, and since it's florida it's a public record.

My property isn't assessed at what I could sell it for, everyone tries to shuck and jibe the tax assessor to keep their bill down.
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Trump cut his assessment by a couple of million, not by the $50 million MORE he got from the oligarch.

So Trump may have knocked it down from $55 million to $50 million, before selling it for $100 million to an oligarch.

Yeah, the assessment was based on what he paid, not what he sold for.


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[Avatar4321]

He didn't do anything.

I guess with that logic, the fact that trump hasn't been indicted yet indicates he is working with Mueller for a yet unknown bigger fish

 

[radical right]

BTW Former AG Michael Mukasey said on a Fox show today that there is no such crime as conspiracy against the US, he said an allegation of conspiracy to commit a violation of a specific criminal statute is required and Mueller's wording don't cut it. I think a severely amended complaint is in Muellers future.
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What is 'conspiracy against the United States'?

I guess Mukasey was wrong,

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What do you expect, he was speaking on foxnews.

 

[radical right]

Yeah, the assessment was based on what he paid, not what he sold for.
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Assessment is based on "market value". If the market goes down, no matter what you paid for it, it's assessment goes down. When the market goes up, no matter what you paid for it, the assessment goes up.

That's why people make a living challenging assessments.

In this case Trump had it assessed for around $50 million, and sold it for $100 million to a russian. Imagine why a russian oligarch would pay double for a Trump property.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

Really, I guess I missed that, the money laundering was connected to his own funds and supposedly trying to hide them. Where did the indictment mention him laundering money for anyone else?


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Here we go again

Paragraph 6 states Manafort laundered $75 million, of which $18 million was from Manafort and $3 million from Gates. The rest, by definition, was laundered for the benefit of somebody else.

Who's money was it? BTW Former AG Michael Mukasey said on a Fox show today that there is no such crime as conspiracy against the US, he said an allegation of conspiracy to commit a violation of a specific criminal statute is required and Mueller's wording don't cut it. I think a severely amended complaint is in Muellers future.


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It's very real.

What is 'conspiracy against the United States'?

I guess Mukasey was wrong, what I don't get is how does trying to cheat impair the lawful functions of a government agency. Would anyone charged with cheating on their taxes would be guilty of that also?


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Would anyone charged with cheating on their taxes would be guilty of that also?

I can't speak to that. I don't know what scope is required for that to apply. I think Mueller is establishing connections to Russia in order to build a foundation for charges against several Trump folks of conspiracy in a larger context that could include collusion.


The first allegation against Paul Manafort and Rick Gates is "conspiracy against the United States".

But what does it mean?

The detail is spelled out in the US Code of Laws - Title 18, Chapter 19, Section 371.

What does the law say?
Firstly, you cannot be charged with conspiracy alone. The law is used against "two or more people" - in this case, Mr Manafort and Mr Gates.

Secondly, the law is broad. It can be used against a group who "commit any offense against the United States, or to defraud the United States, or any agency thereof in any manner or for any purpose".

In a 1924 case, Hammerschmidt v. United States, Chief Justice William Taft (who was US President from from 1909 to 1913) defined "defraud".

"To conspire to defraud the United States means primarily to cheat the Government out of property or money," he said.

"But it also means to interfere with or obstruct one of its lawful governmental functions by deceit, craft or trickery, or at least by means that are dishonest."

Note the last paragraph in bold.
Collusion with a foreign power with the intention of interfering in US elections certainly fits.

 

[OKTexas]

BTW Former AG Michael Mukasey said on a Fox show today that there is no such crime as conspiracy against the US, he said an allegation of conspiracy to commit a violation of a specific criminal statute is required and Mueller's wording don't cut it. I think a severely amended complaint is in Muellers future.
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What is 'conspiracy against the United States'?

I guess Mukasey was wrong,

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What do you expect, he was speaking on foxnews.

Your're a day late and a dollar short on this one, the link has already been posted.


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[radical right]

Correction. Trump bought it for $41 million, and sold it for $95 million.