Why I changed my mind on weed

[Harry Dresden]

Harry Dresden, are you trying to prove cannabinoid intoxication is not impairing your performance with manipulating the machinery?

then you are wrong - it does.

see next post...no.420

 

[Vox]

this study is outdated...I posted one from 2012 ..saying it improves congestive function in schizophrenics

your study is useless.

this is META ANALYSIS, not a case study


if you know the difference

lol..you remind me of a child that learned a new word

did you read the actual link in the article to the study, or just the Time magazine?

that is from the original article:

early onset cannabis use increased the risk for developing psychosis, thereby facilitating the transition to frank psychosis that might otherwise not have occurred. That is, early cannabis use may induce psychosis onset in less cognitively vulnerable individuals.



Our findings should be interpreted in the context of several limitations. First, while the preceding discussion raises several alternative explanations for the association between cannabis use and cognition in schizophrenia, the cross-sectional nature of the studies considered prevents firm conclusions being drawn. Longitudinal studies are necessary to better understand causal interactions between relevant factors.

..the number of studies included was small and restricted our analysis to investigate broad rather than specific aspects of cognition (or individual cognitive tasks). Finally, studies included in the meta-analysis had small samples and low quality of data on several important parameters, such as duration of illness; age of onset of either cannabis use or psychosis; and frequency, quantity, or duration of cannabis use.

The association between better cognitive performance and cannabis use is driven by a subgroup of neurocognitively less impaired patients, who only developed psychosis after an early initiation of cannabis use (ie, during early adolescence). However, longitudinal studies in high-risk populations are needed to test this notion more decisively. Together, these findings suggest that a subgroup of psychotic patients may show improved outcomes (ie, partial recovery of cognitive functioning and less disability) if their cannabis use can be controlled. Moreover, our findings support the notion that, in some vulnerable individuals, abstinence from cannabis abuse could potentially prevent the development of psychosis.


there is also evidence that cannabis use prior to illness onset is “causally” related to the development of subsequent psychosis in vulnerable individuals.62–64 Similarly, several recent systematic reviews have indicated that cannabis may double the risk of later developing a psychotic illness and that this association is dose dependent.34,63,65

so where exactly does it dispute provocation of psychosis by cannabis? it clearly confirms it

 

[RKMBrown]

by impairing the cognitive function.

Sorry but if you honestly believe a plant form can perform the labor required to form itself into a joint, and light itself, and force you to smoke it into your lungs, you have been doing to many drugs. Plants are not capable of doing these things. Hell dogs can't even make a joint let alone plants. The only thing capable of cultivating weed converting it to a joint and smoking it is humans. That you think the weed itself is capable of doing these things is just plain silly.

what this gibberish is about?

pot causes cognitive impairment which directly causes mistakes in operating machinery. What is there so hard to understand?

I'll go real slow.

A person can be impaired, because he smoked pot. The pot is not directly responsible for the FACT that the person smoked the pot. The person is directly responsible, not the friggin inanimate object that the person used. Banning pot use because some ass hole smoked pot irresponsibly is stupid. Why don't we ban all sex cause someone got raped? Blame sex for rape? No. You blame the rapist.

 

[Vox]

ok i should have said cell phones dont work were you are at.....now who do you throw the keys too?...

I would not trust EITHER.

walk to the nearest available phone.

who you?.....if you are to fucked up to drive you are going to walk.....30 miles nearest city...i did say that right?.....

no, you did not.

your scenario was that you have two guys - one drunk and one stoned and whom would you trust to drive to the hospital.

I said - neither. wait for EMTs.

then you added absence of a cell phone.

I said - walk to the nearest phone.

then you changed the scenario one more time - it is a middle of nowhere.

If this is a middle of nowhere and they are alone and they need to get to the hospital - I do not care WHO is going to drive - because if something happens - that is just THEM, they would not have influence on anybody.

Now, what piece are you going to change NOW?

 

[Vox]

Sorry but if you honestly believe a plant form can perform the labor required to form itself into a joint, and light itself, and force you to smoke it into your lungs, you have been doing to many drugs. Plants are not capable of doing these things. Hell dogs can't even make a joint let alone plants. The only thing capable of cultivating weed converting it to a joint and smoking it is humans. That you think the weed itself is capable of doing these things is just plain silly.

what this gibberish is about?

pot causes cognitive impairment which directly causes mistakes in operating machinery. What is there so hard to understand?

I'll go real slow.

A person can be impaired, because he smoked pot. The pot is not directly responsible for the FACT that the person smoked the pot. The person is directly responsible, not the friggin inanimate object that the person used. Banning pot use because some ass hole smoked pot irresponsibly is stupid. Why don't we ban all sex cause someone got raped? Blame sex for rape? HUH?

the pot is the reason the person is impaired.

now, how difficult is it to understand?

 

[Vox]

Becki like drinking.....if you are going to smoke some Pot....stay out of the car until you are no longer high...otherwise you suffer the consequences of your actions....but like i said earlier.....no way to call an ambulance and i was hurt and could not drive but had to get to a hospital and out of the 2 people left to drive,one was drunk,the other smoked some pot....i throw the keys to the person who smoked....

the problem is - you can measure the results of the alcohol intake and the charges of DIU can be applied. So far we do not have a reliable and speedy at the scene methods to measure the results of cannabinoid intoxication.

im sure they are working on it.....

I hope so.

 

[Vox]

oh, please, stop this BS.

another youtube

there is NO RELIABLE SCIENTIFICALLY proven method to measure the effects.

Besides the fact that pot has a much lower impairment on driving skills than alcohol there is nothing preventing a field sobriety test from being performed. If you fail that you are DUI.

LINK?

 

[eots]

your study is useless.

this is META ANALYSIS, not a case study


if you know the difference

lol..you remind me of a child that learned a new word

did you read the actual link in the article to the study, or just the Time magazine?

that is from the original article:

early onset cannabis use increased the risk for developing psychosis, thereby facilitating the transition to frank psychosis "that might otherwise not have occurred. That is, early cannabis use may induce psychosis onset in less cognitively vulnerable individuals.



Our findings should be interpreted in the context of several limitations. First, while the preceding discussion raises several alternative explanations for the association between cannabis use and cognition in schizophrenia, the cross-sectional nature of the studies considered prevents firm conclusions being drawn. Longitudinal studies are necessary to better understand causal interactions between relevant factors.

..the number of studies included was small and restricted our analysis to investigate broad rather than specific aspects of cognition (or individual cognitive tasks). Finally, studies included in the meta-analysis had small samples and low quality of data on several important parameters, such as duration of illness; age of onset of either cannabis use or psychosis; and frequency, quantity, or duration of cannabis use.

The association between better cognitive performance and cannabis use is driven by a subgroup of neurocognitively less impaired patients, who only developed psychosis after an early initiation of cannabis use (ie, during early adolescence). However, longitudinal studies in high-risk populations are needed to test this notion more decisively. Together, these findings suggest that a subgroup of psychotic patients may show improved outcomes (ie, partial recovery of cognitive functioning and less disability) if their cannabis use can be controlled. Moreover, our findings support the notion that, in some vulnerable individuals, abstinence from cannabis abuse could potentially prevent the development of psychosis.


there is also evidence that cannabis use prior to illness onset is “causally” related to the development of subsequent psychosis in vulnerable individuals.62–64 Similarly, several recent systematic reviews have indicated that cannabis may double the risk of later developing a psychotic illness and that this association is dose dependent.34,63,65

so where exactly does it dispute provocation of psychosis by cannabis? it clearly confirms it

`yes thats right the word might means clearly confirmed...try again

 

[RKMBrown]

what this gibberish is about?

pot causes cognitive impairment which directly causes mistakes in operating machinery. What is there so hard to understand?

I'll go real slow.

A person can be impaired, because he smoked pot. The pot is not directly responsible for the FACT that the person smoked the pot. The person is directly responsible, not the friggin inanimate object that the person used. Banning pot use because some ass hole smoked pot irresponsibly is stupid. Why don't we ban all sex cause someone got raped? Blame sex for rape? HUH?

the pot is the reason the person is impaired.

now, how difficult is it to understand?

No. The reason he is impaired is because he used the pot. How difficult is that to understand? The pot is not the reason. The douche would likely have just used a different drug if pot were not available.

 

[Vox]

so where exactly does it dispute provocation of psychosis by cannabis? it clearly confirms it[/B]

`yes thats right the word might means clearly confirmed...try again

dumbo, they confirmed pot provokes PSYCHOSIS in susceptible individuals.

you do not understand English, or what?

 

[eots]

oh, please, stop this BS.

another youtube

there is NO RELIABLE SCIENTIFICALLY proven method to measure the effects.

Besides the fact that pot has a much lower impairment on driving skills than alcohol there is nothing preventing a field sobriety test from being performed. If you fail that you are DUI.

LINK?

it has been posted several times

 

[Vox]

I'll go real slow.

A person can be impaired, because he smoked pot. The pot is not directly responsible for the FACT that the person smoked the pot. The person is directly responsible, not the friggin inanimate object that the person used. Banning pot use because some ass hole smoked pot irresponsibly is stupid. Why don't we ban all sex cause someone got raped? Blame sex for rape? HUH?

the pot is the reason the person is impaired.

now, how difficult is it to understand?

No. The reason he is impaired is because he used the pot. How difficult is that to understand? The pot is not the reason. The douche would likely have just used a different drug if pot were not available.

pot IS the reason of cognitive impairment. It CAUSES cognitive impairment. And he used it because it causes it - to feel high.
what are you actually trying to prove? that pot is not going to be charged, but the user? well, duh.
the problem is how to reliably measure the extent of the impairment to be able to file charges.

 

[eots]

evidence indicating a causal relationship between marijuana consumption and mental disorders is "neither very new, nor by normal criteria, very compelling," according to research published in the journal Addiction in 2010. More tellingly, a 2009 study published in the journal Schizophrenic Research found that the prevalence of schizophrenia and psychoses has remained stable or declined during periods in which marijuana use increased significantly among the general populace.

Mr. Wilkinson's call for an honest debate about the health effects of marijuana is commendable. Yet such a dialogue is incomplete without an examination of its relative harms compared with others commonly used and accepted in our society, particularly alcohol.

Every objective study on marijuana has concluded that it is less toxic, it is less addictive and poses fewer and far less severe health problems than alcohol. Whereas there is no compelling evidence that marijuana use causes schizophrenia or psychosis, absolutely no doubt remains among members of the scientific community that alcohol use is a major contributor to mental illness. Also, unlike alcohol, marijuana use has never been linked to violent crimes and reckless behavior.

A Link Between Marijuana, Schizophrenia Is Tenuous - WSJ.com

 

[Vox]

Besides the fact that pot has a much lower impairment on driving skills than alcohol there is nothing preventing a field sobriety test from being performed. If you fail that you are DUI.

LINK?

it has been posted several times

no it has not.

because it is NOT true

 

[Vox]

WSJ.com[/url]

more journalist gibberish.

there is a reliable proven connection.
from your previous source :

there is also evidence that cannabis use prior to illness onset is “causally” related to the development of subsequent psychosis in vulnerable individuals.62–64 Similarly, several recent systematic reviews have indicated that cannabis may double the risk of later developing a psychotic illness and that this association is dose dependent.34,63,65


Still, the data do suggest that there is a subgroup of people with a family history of schizophrenia who appear to develop the disorder earlier if they smoke cannabis. It’s possible that these people would gain years of mental health if they simply avoided marijuana. It’s also true, in general, that heavy cannabis users with schizophrenia have more hospitalizations, suggesting a worsening of function.

 

[Katzndogz]

I don't care what people drink or smoke when they drive as long as they drive safely.

Pot will be legalized soon simply because the government wants the revenue from taxes.

Take a look at Washington and Colorado, the expected taxes aren't happening.

maybe because the expectant increase in smoking the stuff did not happen....

Not a factor. In Washington they separated categories of medical marijuana which is not taxed because it is a medicine, and recreational marijuana which is heavily taxed. Predictably, the users got medical marijuana cards, or still patronized illegal dealers.

In Colorado the costs of regulation are just outweighing the taxes collected partly because not everyone buys from legal outlets.

 

[eots]

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QsV9IrXhKHU]Drunk driving vs. stoned driving, Who wins? - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Vox]

another youtube video which proves NOTHING

 

[eots]

WSJ.com[/url]

more journalist gibberish.

there is a reliable proven connection.
from your previous source :

there is also evidence that cannabis use prior to illness onset is “causally” related to the development of subsequent psychosis in vulnerable individuals.62–64 Similarly, several recent systematic reviews have indicated that cannabis may double the risk of later developing a psychotic illness and that this association is dose dependent.34,63,65


Still, the data do suggest that there is a subgroup of people with a family history of schizophrenia who appear to develop the disorder earlier if they smoke cannabis. It’s possible that these people would gain years of mental health if they simply avoided marijuana. It’s also true, in general, that heavy cannabis users with schizophrenia have more hospitalizations, suggesting a worsening of function.

no it is not...there is much more to learn

Abstract
A high dose of ∆9
-tetrahydrocannabinol, the main Cannabis sativa
(cannabis) component, induces anxiety and psychotic-like symptoms
in healthy volunteers. These effects of ∆9
-tetrahydrocannabinol are
significantly reduced by cannabidiol (CBD), a cannabis constituent
which is devoid of the typical effects of the plant. This observation led
us to suspect that CBD could have anxiolytic and/or antipsychotic
actions. Studies in animal models and in healthy volunteers clearly
suggest an anxiolytic-like effect of CBD. The antipsychotic-like
properties of CBD have been investigated in animal models using
behavioral and neurochemical techniques which suggested that CBD
has a pharmacological profile similar to that of atypical antipsychotic
drugs. The results of two studies on healthy volunteers using perception of binocular depth inversion and ketamine-induced psychotic
symptoms supported the proposal of the antipsychotic-like properties
of CBD. In addition, open case reports of schizophrenic patients
treated with CBD and a preliminary report of a controlled clinical trial
comparing CBD with an atypical antipsychotic drug have confirmed
that this cannabinoid can be a safe and well-tolerated alternative
treatment for schizophrenia. Future studies of CBD in other psychotic
conditions such as bipolar disorder and comparative studies of its
antipsychotic effects with those produced by clozapine in schizophrenic patients are clearly indicated.
http://www.scielo.br/pdf/bjmbr/v39n4/6164.pdf

 

[Derideo_Te]

LINK?

it has been posted several times

no it has not.

because it is NOT true

So the NHTSA is "lying" according to Vox?

http://ntl.bts.gov/lib/25000/25800/25867/DOT-HS-808-078.pdf

General Conclusion

The foremost impression one gains from reviewing the literature is that no clear relationship has ever been demonstrated between marijuana smoking and either seriously impaired driving performance or the risk of accident involvement. The epidemiological evidence, as limited as it is, shows that the combination of THC and alcohol is over-represented in injured and dead drivers and more so in those who actually caused the accidents to occur. Yet there is little if any evidence to indicate that drivers who have used marijuana alone are any more likely to cause serious accidents than drug free drivers. To a large extent, the results from driving simulator and closed-course tests corroborate the epidemiological findings by indicating that THC in single inhaled doses up to 250 Mg/kg has relatively minor effects on driving performance, certainly less than BACs in the range 0.08-0.10 g%.