Why I Could Never Be GOP or Libertarian

[billyerock1991]

Your party has been taken over by radical Ayn Rand thinking selfish people gramps. Trying to destroy the Middle Class. Came awful close too. Maybe you don't care because you are old and retired and got yours? Selfish prick. Typical righty. My point exactly. And I bet you enjoy social security and medicare, you ass. You don't realize if not for those two programs, you would die broke.

It isn't my party trying to destroy very popular programs like social security and medicare.

Think about that when you accuse us of being extreme or radical. You are in a fringe group gramps.

You keep mentioning Social Security and Medicare like its some sort of government hand out that people should consider welfare. Its not. Social Security and medicare are separate items on the taxes taken from the paycheck.
People pay into these things their entire working career to collect for what? 20 years max?
Welfare and the other government programs that the left seem to love pay out more than social security, and it is paid to people that have never contributed or paid into it.
Im not sure you have the ability to see the difference, but really, there is a big difference.

People should NOT be compelled to participate in SS nor medicare.

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when george w bush was running against al gore can you tell us why bush refused to put SS om a locked box wjem al gore asked him too ... where did you think bush got his emergency appropriation from SS ...
I agree, and there should be no safety net for those that dont, and at the same time don't provide for their own retirement.
If you were foolish while working, eat cat food under an overpass when you retire.
But regardless of that fact, SS an Medicare are specifically targeted by the money taken from the paycheck. Those programs are not supposed to be funded by the tax dollars at all.

During the Clinton Administration it was disclosed that SS funds were commingled with general revenue funds - there is NO separate account for SS and medicare those people on SS are in for a rude awakening.

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that change was actually done under the LBJ administration.

 

[billyerock1991]

The parties haven't always been like this.

when you see filibuster after filibuster for every bill by the house you can see where all the animosity comes from ... its like the supreme court justice obama just picked ... we hear these republicans say we need to have the people voted on it ... the last I heard obama was voted in on his last term ... the people have spoke on this issue... they picked obama to choose ... but these republicans want it only their way ... never mind about the people who already voted for obama to choose they don't like the Idea of a liberal court ... and yet they weren't elected to choose one ..

 

[sarahgop]

I left the GOP years ago. They are a combination of religious bigots like ted cruz and corporate elites. they stopped representing anyoe but big money donors years ago.

 

[sarahgop]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.


I disagree.

As a libertarian, I can only respond by pointing out that you have a lot of misconceptions about libertarians. There's a distinct difference between rejecting coercive government and rejecting community action. In my experience, libertarians believe in community spirit, charity, and helping their fellow man more sincerely that most modern liberals. They simply don't believe it needs to be forced on us via coercive government programs.

Frankly, I find the liberal point of view deeply cynical, based on the tacit assumption that without government forcing it on us, we will turn our backs on those in need. I've heard it said that pretty much everyone starts with the base assumption that everyone else is like them. So people who are kind, charitable and forgiving assume the world will be likewise. Those who are less so, fear a world where people are free to be who they are. I couldn't take that as a blanket condemnation, because I know liberals who I believe are genuinely good people, but it does give me pause. What are you all so worried about?

Fact is, since the GOP made all their cuts to government programs that help the poor and since they implimented their unregulated free trade, more people have slipped into poverty. And charities and religion are proving they are not capable of handling or solving the growing problem. This is what our government is for.

This was written in 2007. This is why I laugh when Republicans try to suggest that Obama is at fault for the mess we are in.

Roll Back the Reagan Tax Cuts | Common Dreams

Since Bush has been president:

•over 5 million people have slipped into poverty;
•nearly 7 million Americans have lost their health insurance;
•median household income has gone down by nearly $1,300;
•three million manufacturing jobs have been lost;
•three million American workers have lost their pensions;
•home foreclosures are now the highest on record;
•the personal savings rate is below zero - which hasn't happened since the great depression;
•the real earnings of college graduates have gone down by about 5% in the last few years;
•entry level wages for male and female high school graduates have fallen by over 3%;
•wages and salaries are now at the lowest share of GDP since 1929.

Elected republican officials are in office for one reason. To make a few billionaire donors even richer. If Trump isnt the nominee im going to contribute to hillary and to the dem candidates for congress in virginia. not because i agree with them, but i want to see the GOP BURN.

 

[Redfish]

bullshit. those rich liberals only care about filling their own pockets. They are indoctrinating you with their lies in order to retain their elite rich status and keep you from ever coming close.

Conspiracy nut. I have a rich brother. We have long conversations. No hidden agenda.

Most rich liberals made their own money and don't mind taxes because they can always make more. People with old money are greedier and give less to charity.

I would think Hollywood liberals came from middle class homes and they remember working for minimum wage.

your fantasy world is interesting, but its fantasy. Do you really think that all old money is controlled by conservatives? That is one of the dumbest claims ever to appear on this forum.

Well since I didn't make that claim you can relax. Breathe. Breathe

you clearly implied that in your second paragraph, stop the lies. do you libs ever tell the truth about anything?

Reason number 555. I don't want war with Iran. We all know the GOP and Israeli want to bomb the shit out of Iran. Haloburton too.

Iran and ISIS have called for "death to America" Who exactly do you think they mean by that? You, me, your family, your kids, your friends, your neighbors. They want to KILL YOU.

But I'm sure if we are just nice to them and give them lots of money and weapons they wont want to kill us any more.

you libs are fricken stupid.

 

[Redfish]

I left the GOP years ago. They are a combination of religious bigots like ted cruz and corporate elites. they stopped representing anyoe but big money donors years ago.

when did Soros become a republican? when the did the wall street tycoons who are funding Hillary become republicans?

your post is the height of stupidity.

 

[Rustic]

Barry's era is over, it sucked time to move on...

Much better than Bush's era but even if Obama walked on water, which he did, you'd be saying the exact same thing. We understand. It's just politics. We get it.

Economy Gained 242,000 Jobs In February; Unemployment Rate Holds Steady

Thanks Obama.

Lets not go back to the Bush era. That's what Rubio or Cruz would be.

The last 7/8 years have been lackluster at the best...
The exception is in guns and ammo sales...

Pretty good from where I'm sitting. What NO ONE wants to do is go back to GW Bush era style governing. That's why the GOP are losing their shit with Trump. LOVE IT!

It might help if you crawled out from under your rock once in a while and actually looked at the mess obozo has created in this country.

1. more racial division than ever before
2. doubled the national debt
3. more on welfare, in poverty, and on food stamps than ever before
4. more unemployed or under employed than when he took office
5. weakest military since peanut Carter
6. terrible foreign policy that has made radical islamists stronger
7. destroyed the best medical system in the world with obozocare
8. catered to the far left loons and killed thousands of jobs on Keystone
9. Lied about Benghazi, obamacare, Syria, Iran, and everything else
10. tried to rule as a king and ignore congress

just for 10 starters.

1) create by republicans
2) Caused by republicans unfounded programs
3) again caused by republicans causing the market to crash...
4) seems you have a clue about unemployment but we already knew that
5) thats your opinion and not reality
6) again all started by republicans starting a war that was baed on a lie you can thank republicans for that...
7) only people who destroyed the health care were you right wing nut jobs ... thats a fact that we all know ...
8) thousands of jobs??? really you better look up thats part time jobs they would have had ... you're a fool
9) nobody lied about Obam care benghazi Syria or anything else I challenge you to show one lie thats was told...
10) so its Ok for a republicans president but not a democrat ... we get it

the problem you have its your heads in your ass

A progressive socialist nanny state is what caused this country's problems over the last century plus...

 

[sealybobo]

I left the GOP years ago. They are a combination of religious bigots like ted cruz and corporate elites. they stopped representing anyoe but big money donors years ago.

Do you think America saying fuck you to Ted Cruz, Marco Rubio, Jeb Bush, Kasich, Christie, Paul, Huckabee, Carli, Ben Carson, Rick Santorum, Scott Walker, etc. Do you think this vindicates me at all that even Republican voters now agree with me that they simply CAN NOT vote for a Republican or Libertarian. This is why Trump is crushing them. I love it! And Trump doesn't stand a chance of beating Hillary but he is going to make this a very interesting race with all kinds of dirty politics. But in the end America will choose to stay with the Democrats in the White House. Why not when Bush sucked, Clinton ruled, Bush 2 sucked, Obama rules. Why would we go back to a Republican who sucks? Sorry Donald, but once you get the nomination you'll be a Republican too and I hate Republicans. But I love what you did to the GOP.

 

[sealybobo]

Only 339,000 Republicans in NY combined voted for Kasich & Cruz. Kasich only got 214,000 votes and Cruz only 124,000. That is pathetic. And we aren't talking about liberal progressive democrats in NY, we're talking about REPUBLICANS! They'd rather have a celebrity blow hard be president than a career Republican politician. I agree with them. Looks like even Republicans are agreeing with me that a real Republican for president is just not an option.

 

[dblack]

I left the GOP years ago. They are a combination of religious bigots like ted cruz and corporate elites. they stopped representing anyoe but big money donors years ago.

Yep. They certainly aren't libertarian.

 

[sealybobo]

I left the GOP years ago. They are a combination of religious bigots like ted cruz and corporate elites. they stopped representing anyoe but big money donors years ago.

Yep. They certainly aren't libertarian.

What good news do we hear from Republicans? Did Paul Ryan and Mitch McConnell do anything the last 2 years?

But in the news Rick Snyder is giving Michiganders lead poisoning and Dennis hastert a pedophile No wonder no Republican is even running for president this year.

Trump proved me right. America hates Republicans. We don't even want one near the white house. Trumps cool. I'm voting hillary but I'll take trump over any Republican.

 

[sealybobo]

Republicans know trumps going to hurt them on election day too. You may not know it but they do. Record turnout.

 

[Kosh]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Proof you are and always be a far left drone.

As you have just proven, you are not capable of any type of independent thought!

 

[sealybobo]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Proof you are and always be a far left drone.

As you have just proven, you are not capable of any type of independent thought!

That's it? That's all you got? No wonder trump kicked the shit out of every one of your candidates. Think about it Kosh. Without any help from us liberals Republican voters overwhelmingly said no to Rand Paul, jeb bush, Ted Cruz, kasich, rubio, Christie and all the rest. Pretty telling.

 

[kaz]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Being a Marxist has that effect. What's the point in a thread where you say what you always say? Wouldn't it be more interesting to take an actual different position?

 

[sealybobo]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Being a Marxist has that effect

You would think when your rhetoric isn't even working on Republican voters you'd alter your spin

 

[kaz]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Being a Marxist has that effect

You would think when your rhetoric isn't even working on Republican voters you'd alter your spin

Quite the reverse. Republicans when they can't convince me they are better than you go down over and over

 

[sealybobo]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Being a Marxist has that effect

You would think when your rhetoric isn't even working on Republican voters you'd alter your spin

Quite the reverse. Republicans when they can't convince me they are better than you go down over and over

And libertarianism is a small fringe wing of the GOP. Not even Republicans wanted Rand Paul more than rubio jeb Cruz kasich Christie. If libertarians can't convince Republicans good luck with the rest of us

 

[kaz]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Being a Marxist has that effect

You would think when your rhetoric isn't even working on Republican voters you'd alter your spin

Quite the reverse. Republicans when they can't convince me they are better than you go down over and over

And libertarianism is a small fringe wing of the GOP. Not even Republicans wanted Rand Paul more than rubio jeb Cruz kasich Christie. If libertarians can't convince Republicans good luck with the rest of us

You're the Republican, go suck Trump's dick, right wing nut job

 

[sealybobo]

Listening to everything the GOP and Libertarians have to say, I have to say I viamently disagree with the direction they want to take America. They are a very selfish group.

Paul Ryan, the father of a Republican budget initiative that seeks to destroy Medicare and Social Security has continually invoked the name of Ayn Rand as his philosophical mentor and guide. Many other Republicans have do so too. They are embracing a philosophy which, according to Ayn Rand herself, is one of selfishness and is against all forms of Spirituality. The question any thoughtful Americans must ask themselves is: “Is this the America we want?”

And how do they get evangelicals to go along with them is beyond me.

Its a very selfish every man for himself mentality.

And Libertarians don't believe in the Commons. What are the Commons?

The Commons are resources that are owned by all of us. That includes the Grand Canyon, oil rights, power companies, roads, public airwaves, schools, etc.

Here is how they think. Libertarians think if we all own the land on which our sheep graze, we will each add one too many sheep until we destroy the land for future generations. That We the People can't manage the commons.

Libertarians think that if one person owns the land and charged everyone else grazing fees, he would be more committed to preserving it for the future than a village of farmers.

I disagree.

Being a Marxist has that effect

You would think when your rhetoric isn't even working on Republican voters you'd alter your spin

Quite the reverse. Republicans when they can't convince me they are better than you go down over and over

And libertarianism is a small fringe wing of the GOP. Not even Republicans wanted Rand Paul more than rubio jeb Cruz kasich Christie. If libertarians can't convince Republicans good luck with the rest of us

You're the Republican, go suck Trump's dick, right wing nut job

No we are rino's remember?