Why I'm not a socialist (don't gloat, conservatives)

[Billy_Kinetta]

They are functions of elected governments. No constitution - state, federal or otherwise - grants governments power to reach into an individual's pocket to provide another individual a living.

If I am wrong in this, provide examples, and don't try the "general welfare" clause either. Such wacky interpretations were long ago dismantled.

Of course it does
Our Constitution allows government to raise revenue through taxes.

Only for purposes mandated it by the Constitution. If you wish to add to those, there is a process.

Very true

And if you think Congress is using revenue for unconstitutional purposes, our Constitution allows you to take them to court

Why don't you?

Because the courts are compromised.

For the last 80 years?

Well, one COULD say since 1803.

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Altruism produced at the barrel of a gun is totalitarianism.

I'm "retired", and do it well. I also "work", and do it well.

Do I owe you something?

Altruism is helping people who need help

A function of government

Please post the article and paragraph of ANY constitution national or state that mandates "altruism as a function of government".

We the People......

Very important words. It is the people who organized the government. The government exists for ...We the People

Try again. In no way do those words set up the federal government nor give it a mandate to function as a charity organization with the authority to levy taxes for that purpose.

You need to read your Constitution

We the People set up the government. They are us
They do as they are bid by We the People

We the People have repeatedly voted for social programs and those programs have held up in court

You lose

You understanding is even thinner than your previous posts indicated.

 

[rightwinger]

Altruism is helping people who need help

A function of government

Please post the article and paragraph of ANY constitution national or state that mandates "altruism as a function of government".

We the People......

Very important words. It is the people who organized the government. The government exists for ...We the People

Try again. In no way do those words set up the federal government nor give it a mandate to function as a charity organization with the authority to levy taxes for that purpose.

You need to read your Constitution

We the People set up the government. They are us
They do as they are bid by We the People

We the People have repeatedly voted for social programs and those programs have held up in court

You lose

You understanding is even thinner than your previous posts indicated.

Really?

Show me a court case that says I'm wrong

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Please post the article and paragraph of ANY constitution national or state that mandates "altruism as a function of government".

We the People......

Very important words. It is the people who organized the government. The government exists for ...We the People

Try again. In no way do those words set up the federal government nor give it a mandate to function as a charity organization with the authority to levy taxes for that purpose.

You need to read your Constitution

We the People set up the government. They are us
They do as they are bid by We the People

We the People have repeatedly voted for social programs and those programs have held up in court

You lose

You understanding is even thinner than your previous posts indicated.

Really?

Show me a court case that says I'm wrong

Precedence and case law do not override the Constitution. Read and write down the mandated authorities to levy taxes granted to the federal government, then consider the process necessary to add more.

 

[rightwinger]

We the People......

Very important words. It is the people who organized the government. The government exists for ...We the People

Try again. In no way do those words set up the federal government nor give it a mandate to function as a charity organization with the authority to levy taxes for that purpose.

You need to read your Constitution

We the People set up the government. They are us
They do as they are bid by We the People

We the People have repeatedly voted for social programs and those programs have held up in court

You lose

You understanding is even thinner than your previous posts indicated.

Really?

Show me a court case that says I'm wrong

Read the Constitution and write down the mandated authorities to levy taxes granted to the federal government, then consider the process necessary to add more.

I have...Read Article 1 Section 1

Show me any legal case that agrees with your interpretation and get back to me

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

Try again. In no way do those words set up the federal government nor give it a mandate to function as a charity organization with the authority to levy taxes for that purpose.

You need to read your Constitution

We the People set up the government. They are us
They do as they are bid by We the People

We the People have repeatedly voted for social programs and those programs have held up in court

You lose

You understanding is even thinner than your previous posts indicated.

Really?

Show me a court case that says I'm wrong

Read the Constitution and write down the mandated authorities to levy taxes granted to the federal government, then consider the process necessary to add more.

I have...Read Article 1 Section 1

"All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives."

You think that bolsters your nonsense? The Founding Fathers are rolling with laughter.

 

[Eloy]

In many ways I'm still a leftist, and think like a leftist. I don't think that ever fully leaves someone.

But I must admit...I really don't believe in a sharing economy. The reason is not because I've become a full fledged capitalist, or think the free market solves everything. Look, capitalism will decline on a long enough timeline, and we'll be in trouble.

It's just...I don't want to share! Think about, leftists. You want to share with people who despise you. Who want nothing to do with you. Who will gladly cheat and steal and do everything to get more than their share. Why would you possibly try changing them?

I think socialism works only in one situation. Small countries where basically everyone is a socialist to some degree. It works because the high level of trust and uniformity means there are no grifters, everyone contributes and gets back something in return.

Socialism doesn't work at a large scale, like nations, the global economy, or big business. There are too many competitors, too many people ready to take advantage. In this case, I would rather fight for my piece, however small it may be.

And let me add that you conservatives shouldn't gloat because, well, capitalism really isn't conservative. It's capitalism which changes the world more than anything.

It is regrettable that you are living in such a polarized country.

 

[rightwinger]

You need to read your Constitution

We the People set up the government. They are us
They do as they are bid by We the People

We the People have repeatedly voted for social programs and those programs have held up in court

You lose

You understanding is even thinner than your previous posts indicated.

Really?

Show me a court case that says I'm wrong

Read the Constitution and write down the mandated authorities to levy taxes granted to the federal government, then consider the process necessary to add more.

I have...Read Article 1 Section 1

"All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives."

You think that bolsters your nonsense? The Founding Fathers are rolling with laughter.

Senate and the House pass legislation at the behest of We the People
I will trust the courts over an anonymous message board posters interpretation

 

[Billy_Kinetta]

You understanding is even thinner than your previous posts indicated.

Really?

Show me a court case that says I'm wrong

Read the Constitution and write down the mandated authorities to levy taxes granted to the federal government, then consider the process necessary to add more.

I have...Read Article 1 Section 1

"All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives."

You think that bolsters your nonsense? The Founding Fathers are rolling with laughter.

Senate and the House pass legislation at the behest of We the People
I will trust the courts over an anonymous message board posters interpretation

I've interpreted nothing. That's your mistake.

 

[rightwinger]

Really?

Show me a court case that says I'm wrong

Read the Constitution and write down the mandated authorities to levy taxes granted to the federal government, then consider the process necessary to add more.

I have...Read Article 1 Section 1

"All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives."

You think that bolsters your nonsense? The Founding Fathers are rolling with laughter.

Senate and the House pass legislation at the behest of We the People
I will trust the courts over an anonymous message board posters interpretation

I've interpreted nothing. That's your mistake.

Come on Billy

Show any case that supports your view
libertarian blogs don't count

I've got the law on my side...if you don't like it, prove it in court

 

[danielpalos]

I'm not in Kansas. If I'm providing the good folks in Kansas with lobster I'm guessing that there will be people there that aren't lazy like you to provide something to my part of the country that will improve our condition here as well.

Altruism produced at the barrel of a gun is totalitarianism.

I'm "retired", and do it well. I also "work", and do it well.

Do I owe you something?

Altruism is helping people who need help

A function of government

Please post the article and paragraph of ANY constitution national or state that mandates "altruism as a function of government".

Providing for the general welfare is a form of altruism, according to the right wing.

The left knows, it means to invest in our economy on a not-for-profit basis.

Are you stating that such is the purpose and meaning of the general welfare clause?

Investing in the general welfare is in our social Contract.

 

[danielpalos]

We the People......

Very important words. It is the people who organized the government. The government exists for ...We the People

Try again. In no way do those words set up the federal government nor give it a mandate to function as a charity organization with the authority to levy taxes for that purpose.

You need to read your Constitution

We the People set up the government. They are us
They do as they are bid by We the People

We the People have repeatedly voted for social programs and those programs have held up in court

You lose

You understanding is even thinner than your previous posts indicated.

Really?

Show me a court case that says I'm wrong

Precedence and case law do not override the Constitution. Read and write down the mandated authorities to levy taxes granted to the federal government, then consider the process necessary to add more.

Neither does statute law enacted by Congress.

 

[ScienceRocks]

I aint a socialist either...

I believe one should be able to get rich and believe in a strong private sector. Socialist countries(real ones) are also very non-democratic and which case I also oppose.

I really wish conservatives would learn about what socialism really is and stop attacking common sense policies.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Read the Constitution and write down the mandated authorities to levy taxes granted to the federal government, then consider the process necessary to add more.

I have...Read Article 1 Section 1

"All legislative Powers herein granted shall be vested in a Congress of the United States, which shall consist of a Senate and House of Representatives."

You think that bolsters your nonsense? The Founding Fathers are rolling with laughter.

Senate and the House pass legislation at the behest of We the People
I will trust the courts over an anonymous message board posters interpretation

I've interpreted nothing. That's your mistake.

Come on Billy

Show any case that supports your view
libertarian blogs don't count

I've got the law on my side...if you don't like it, prove it in court

Every single first world developed country on this planet has an public and private sector....Which makes them all social democracies.

Weird,,, the countries that are rich need government regulations, while the poorest countries on earth have far less and remain poor.

Liberterianism is based on bullshit.

 

[ScienceRocks]

Altruism produced at the barrel of a gun is totalitarianism.

I'm "retired", and do it well. I also "work", and do it well.

Do I owe you something?

Altruism is helping people who need help

A function of government

Please post the article and paragraph of ANY constitution national or state that mandates "altruism as a function of government".

Providing for the general welfare is a form of altruism, according to the right wing.

The left knows, it means to invest in our economy on a not-for-profit basis.

Are you stating that such is the purpose and meaning of the general welfare clause?

Investing in the general welfare is in our social Contract.

It is just common fucking sense...

If we don't maintaining our own country = our standards of living will drop faster then grannies panties on Halloween.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

If we don't maintaining our own country = our standards of living will drop faster then grannies panties on Halloween.

China just switched to Republican capitalism and their standard of living went up enough to eliminate 40% of all the poverty on earth. USA should do the same thing,

 

[danielpalos]

If we don't maintaining our own country = our standards of living will drop faster then grannies panties on Halloween.

China just switched to Republican capitalism and their standard of living went up enough to eliminate 40% of all the poverty on earth. USA should do the same thing,

It may be too complicated for the right wing; China went from a command economy to a mixed market economy; of course capitalism is going flourish under the nurture of socialism.

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I aint a socialist either...

I believe one should be able to get rich and believe in a strong private sector. Socialist countries(real ones) are also very non-democratic and which case I also oppose.

I really wish conservatives would learn about what socialism really is and stop attacking common sense policies.

socialism really killed 120 million through slow starvation. You think thats good?

 

[rightwinger]

I aint a socialist either...

I believe one should be able to get rich and believe in a strong private sector. Socialist countries(real ones) are also very non-democratic and which case I also oppose.

I really wish conservatives would learn about what socialism really is and stop attacking common sense policies.

socialism really killed 120 million through slow starvation. You think thats good?

How would capitalists have taken care of those people?

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

How would capitalists have taken care of those people?

by creating 120 million high paying jobs for them, obviously!!!