Why is Building the Wall Wrong?

[22lcidw]

It’s funny how President Trump has brilliantly painted Dems into this corner.

GREAT analogy......lol

Go on a cruise. Visit the islands and or mainlands with cruise ports having an area with multiple stores selling shirts, jewelry, braiding hair and more of the same with a a bar and fence around it. You can take an excursion if you want, but the reality is what it is. We are told other things due to politics. It does not mean people are living totally devastated. But they are not living with comforts either. None of the shills on TV will report this.

 

[Flopper]

The subtext of the wall issue is the legal walls we've already put up to limit legal immigration. They are the problem. And, as is usually the case with bad law, such limits require a police state, complete with walled borders and spot id checks, to implement.

Before the 2006 border fence act, migrants climbed over existing fencing. After the 2006 fence act they either used a 12 foot ladder to go over the fence, walked around the fence or paid a trucker a 100 bucks to hide in the back of the truck. The only difference with the Trump wall is migrant will need a 20 foot ladder and the trucker will charge $150.

Those who don't have $150 will be kept out.

Let me see if you can be the first on this thread:

How come you want people from south of the border to be kept out?

Because they don't have $150?

They sometimes also are put into slavery by people who drive them over the border, are beaten, raped, and made to carry drugs by swallowing them or having them surgically implanted in their bodies. Their children are also abused. But many don’t care about children, as clearly demonstrated by illegals throwing rocks at border enforcement without regard for children, and using them as human shields. Then they cross wherever they can, and don’t know where they are going to stay, work, live, eat, etc. In other words, they are homeless. Obama had tons of them in camps that were not exactly nice accommodations. In other words, jail.


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The problems migrants face in crossing the border are often no worst than problems they face at home, poverty, plagued by gang violence, kidnappings of their children, forced prostitution, extortion, and little or no protection by local police.

People don't leave their homes, subject their families to hunger, disease, and crime in order to earn money for a summer vacation. People do it because their desperate.

 

[nat4900]

A breach within the Trump cult membership.......(RINO name-calling anyone???....LOL)


U.S. Rep. Will Hurd, a Texas Republican, says President Trump's border wall proposal is "a third-century solution to a 21st-century problem."

"Taking action for action’s sake rarely leads to positive results," he said in a news release. "Our leaders have the solemn obligation to know the proper steps to take before acting upon them."

Hurd represents the state's 23rd Congressional District, which includes parts of San Antonio and extends all the way to the state's western border. The district, one of the largest in the nation, includes hundreds of miles of the U.S. border with Mexico.

"I agree with [U.S. Homeland Security] Secretary John Kelly’s comments during his confirmation hearing that a wall does not solve our security problems," Hurd said. "In fact, building a wall from sea to shining sea would be the most expensive and least effective way to secure the border."

Notice that Trump cult members are NOT addressing that the above statement was made by a TEXAS REPUBLICAN...........One wonders why????.............LOL

 

[OKTexas]

When you apply to come in and follow the protocol, you are involved in a legal procedure. When you walk in a caravan, and are going in not matter what, you are illegal. There are people in the legal process of entry. Cut the line next time at the movies, a restaurant, or grocery store, and advise us of the outcome. If the legal process is followed, we don’t need to spend money on people to enforce the rules and laws on people who break them. Whatever anyone’s opinion, the president wants to protect the security of the country and keep law enforcement safe doing it. Americans tax dollars, should mean Americans first. A wall, barrier or whatever you want to call it, is just part of this. Cameras, drones, computer systems, access roads, vehicles, and personnel to make it work are the rest of the process. Want a fence between your neighbors house, you are done. This isn’t anything like that. And the money he’s asking to be approved isn’t out of line. All those against this, have supported it in the past. They want to show him up, at the cost of keeping our country safe. Hypocrisy.


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I, for one, have NEVER thought that putting America under surveillance 24 / 7 / 365 is a good idea. For FIFTEEN YEARS, those in favor of the wall have denied that the Democrats were for it first. Now, they are admitting it.

What a difference a day makes. Benjamin Franklin once said something to the effect that those who would give up essential Liberty for the promise of temporary Safety deserved neither Liberty NOR Safety.

That is the very argument the build the wall supporters are conveying on this thread. So, unless they can conjure up some legitimate reason to maintain their stance, they are arguing against Liberty and they are the REAL problem in America.

What a crock of shit, no one is trying to deny Americans their liberty. They are trying to secure our country to prevent the loss of lives, liberty and property.

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ROTF, LMAO, ROTF. LMAO.

Your entire campaign is a direct assault on Liberty. Most of those on your side won't even answer the question of where we got our unalienable Rights from. If they cannot answer that, they sure as Hell don't know what Liberty is. Are you nucking futs or what!

Bull hockey, securing our borders doesn't effect the liberty of our citizens. Not securing it, on the other hand, is getting tens of thousands killed, the absolute denial of liberty. They've already seized enough fentanyl to kill everyone in this country. Accidental exposure to as little as 3 grains can kill a 250 pound man. Carfentanyl is even worse and they're finding more and more of it.

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Where do you get your unalienable Rights from?

And, again, one of those silly ass arguments that if you don't support a wall, you're against border security. You'd rather die and rot in Hell rather than to have an honest discussion about this, wouldn't you?

Your religion is the wall. Maybe, someday, the good Lord will give you four of them and keep society protected from people like you.

My rights or where they come from is irrelevant to this discussion. We are talking about border security and national security. This country has a right to self defense and the enforcement of our borders and laws. A wall is only one component of that. Personally I'd just shoot anyone crossing illegally, that would put a stop to it.

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[deltex1]

A breach within the Trump cult membership.......(RINO name-calling anyone???....LOL)


U.S. Rep. Will Hurd, a Texas Republican, says President Trump's border wall proposal is "a third-century solution to a 21st-century problem."

"Taking action for action’s sake rarely leads to positive results," he said in a news release. "Our leaders have the solemn obligation to know the proper steps to take before acting upon them."

Hurd represents the state's 23rd Congressional District, which includes parts of San Antonio and extends all the way to the state's western border. The district, one of the largest in the nation, includes hundreds of miles of the U.S. border with Mexico.

"I agree with [U.S. Homeland Security] Secretary John Kelly’s comments during his confirmation hearing that a wall does not solve our security problems," Hurd said. "In fact, building a wall from sea to shining sea would be the most expensive and least effective way to secure the border."

Is a 21st century problem of home invasion avoided if you buy a "ring" system, and then leave your front door wide open?

 

[task0778]

Well, I tell ya what, built that wall/fence/whatever high enough, and it'll sure as hell make it really hard to climb over. Maybe it doesn't totally solve the problem, but it does reduce it somewhat and that's better than nothing.

 

[Indeependent]

That’s why we have 20 million living here illegally? Because our borders are sew secure?

Here you fucking ignorant turd

Visa Overstays Outnumber Illegal Border Crossings...

Sure, and we need MDs from India because all non-Indians are retarded.

 

[regent]

I think the wall Trump has in mind is one that goes up and down in sections. With the push of a button Trump could lower a section, and people could come in freely and then he could push the "up" button and catch a lot of immigrants flat-footed.

 

[eagle1462010]

3rd Century ...........Roman Walls............still standing today.............

Walls work.

 

[william104]

A breach within the Trump cult membership.......(RINO name-calling anyone???....LOL)


U.S. Rep. Will Hurd, a Texas Republican, says President Trump's border wall proposal is "a third-century solution to a 21st-century problem."

"Taking action for action’s sake rarely leads to positive results," he said in a news release. "Our leaders have the solemn obligation to know the proper steps to take before acting upon them."

Hurd represents the state's 23rd Congressional District, which includes parts of San Antonio and extends all the way to the state's western border. The district, one of the largest in the nation, includes hundreds of miles of the U.S. border with Mexico.

"I agree with [U.S. Homeland Security] Secretary John Kelly’s comments during his confirmation hearing that a wall does not solve our security problems," Hurd said. "In fact, building a wall from sea to shining sea would be the most expensive and least effective way to secure the border."

Our real leaders are leaders that do not rig and hack the electoral college to lawlessly get hell raising tyrants. Our leaders keep America first and work on comprehensive and Constitutional plans to ensure border security that does not result in crimes against humanity, and disrespecting the US armed forces. Additionally our leaders do not co mingle with foreign enemies to destroy Democracy, the well being of society and taking their high treason to a different down low level. As such, real American leaders abide by their Constitutional oath that are not like tRump and his antigovernment conspiring GOPer cronies and thugs.

 

[OKTexas]

Before the 2006 border fence act, migrants climbed over existing fencing. After the 2006 fence act they either used a 12 foot ladder to go over the fence, walked around the fence or paid a trucker a 100 bucks to hide in the back of the truck. The only difference with the Trump wall is migrant will need a 20 foot ladder and the trucker will charge $150.

Those who don't have $150 will be kept out.

Let me see if you can be the first on this thread:

How come you want people from south of the border to be kept out?

Because they don't have $150?

They sometimes also are put into slavery by people who drive them over the border, are beaten, raped, and made to carry drugs by swallowing them or having them surgically implanted in their bodies. Their children are also abused. But many don’t care about children, as clearly demonstrated by illegals throwing rocks at border enforcement without regard for children, and using them as human shields. Then they cross wherever they can, and don’t know where they are going to stay, work, live, eat, etc. In other words, they are homeless. Obama had tons of them in camps that were not exactly nice accommodations. In other words, jail.


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The problems migrants face in crossing the border are often no worst than problems they face at home, poverty, plagued by gang violence, kidnappings of their children, forced prostitution, extortion, and little or no protection by local police.

People don't leave their homes, subject their families to hunger, disease, and crime in order to earn money for a summer vacation. People do it because their desperate.

There are billions of desperate people in the world, having a land bridge to our country doesn't make these people entitled.

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[fncceo]

Are you suggesting a more technology-based solution?

 

[theHawk]

A breach within the Trump cult membership.......(RINO name-calling anyone???....LOL)


U.S. Rep. Will Hurd, a Texas Republican, says President Trump's border wall proposal is "a third-century solution to a 21st-century problem."

"Taking action for action’s sake rarely leads to positive results," he said in a news release. "Our leaders have the solemn obligation to know the proper steps to take before acting upon them."

Hurd represents the state's 23rd Congressional District, which includes parts of San Antonio and extends all the way to the state's western border. The district, one of the largest in the nation, includes hundreds of miles of the U.S. border with Mexico.

"I agree with [U.S. Homeland Security] Secretary John Kelly’s comments during his confirmation hearing that a wall does not solve our security problems," Hurd said. "In fact, building a wall from sea to shining sea would be the most expensive and least effective way to secure the border."

Notice that Trump cult members are NOT addressing that the above statement was made by a TEXAS REPUBLICAN...........One wonders why????.............LOL

Will Hurd is a never-Trumper and caters to Hispanics.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

"I agree with [U.S. Homeland Security] Secretary John Kelly’s comments during his confirmation hearing that a wall does not solve our security problems," Hurd said. "In fact, building a wall from sea to shining sea would be the most expensive and least effective way to secure the border."

Members of Trump’s party are telling him his ‘wall’ of fear, bigotry, and hate won’t work.

 

[nat4900]

That’s why we have 20 million living here illegally? Because our borders are sew secure?

Here you fucking ignorant turd

Visa Overstays Outnumber Illegal Border Crossings...

Sure, and we need MDs from India because all non-Indians are retarded.

What the fuck are you bumbling about......???..............LOL

 

[nat4900]

3rd Century ...........Roman Walls............still standing today.............

Walls work.

WOW....."brilliant".......Maybe ROME will pay for the wall???..........LOL

 

[Indeependent]

That’s why we have 20 million living here illegally? Because our borders are sew secure?

Here you fucking ignorant turd

Visa Overstays Outnumber Illegal Border Crossings...

Sure, and we need MDs from India because all non-Indians are retarded.

What the fuck are you bumbling about......???..............LOL

The fact that you believe all the bullshit the government shovels up your ass to get it to your tiny brain.

 

[Avatar4321]

Are we seriously supposed to believe that no nation has ever had people try to enter it illegally before the 21st century?

Or that walls don't work?

 

[eagle1462010]

3rd Century ...........Roman Walls............still standing today.............

Walls work.

WOW....."brilliant".......Maybe ROME will pay for the wall???..........LOL

A liberal like you looks at that Ancient Wall and says............Walls are evil .............tear it down.

 

[nat4900]

Will Hurd is a never-Trumper and caters to Hispanics.

Yes, Trump ass licker....you have many, many enemies out there:

Democrats
RINOs
Sane people

Best go back under your bed with your glasses of orange kool-aid......LOL