Why is Socialism so popular all of a sudden

[Cecilie1200]

Socialism is what leftist leaders actually want. Euro-socialism is the smokescreen they present to rank-and-file doofuses to get them on board. Venezuela is what we eventually get if we allow it to go on. Power-mad dictators never know when to stop, and they refuse to believe Venezuela - and China, the Soviet Union, etc. - are inevitable, and not just "because WE weren't in charge".

Ok, that's what you believe.

And how do you feel when left wingers tell you what you "actually want"?
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Not comparable. Unlike leftists, I actually take the time to listen to and understand them. It's the one upside to the left's monopoly on media and cultural outlets: it is almost impossible for conservatives to live in an echo chamber, even if they want to. Where leftists can literally go for years without ever encountering conservative ideas and beliefs - or encountering conservatives themselves - we simply can't do the opposite without moving to Montana and living totally off the grid.

 

[Mac1958]

It's the one upside to the left's monopoly on media and cultural outlets: it is almost impossible for conservatives to live in an echo chamber, even if they want to.

What?

That's exactly what the Right has created for itself, shunning all media outside of its own. Holy crap. The Trumpian Right is now essentially its own closed ideological circuit, led by the media talkers who have you convinced that the Democrats want us to be just like Venezuela. Even freakin' FOX NEWS is persona non grata to some of you.

Amazing.
.

 

[danielpalos]

Socialism is what leftist leaders actually want. Euro-socialism is the smokescreen they present to rank-and-file doofuses to get them on board. Venezuela is what we eventually get if we allow it to go on. Power-mad dictators never know when to stop, and they refuse to believe Venezuela - and China, the Soviet Union, etc. - are inevitable, and not just "because WE weren't in charge".

Ok, that's what you believe.

And how do you feel when left wingers tell you what you "actually want"?
.

Not comparable. Unlike leftists, I actually take the time to listen to and understand them. It's the one upside to the left's monopoly on media and cultural outlets: it is almost impossible for conservatives to live in an echo chamber, even if they want to. Where leftists can literally go for years without ever encountering conservative ideas and beliefs - or encountering conservatives themselves - we simply can't do the opposite without moving to Montana and living totally off the grid.

come up with better solutions at lower cost; not, no solutions but rely on Capitalists to bail us out.

 

[dblack]

Why do you say that? Government requires the use of the other peoples money; maybe an ancap could do what you suggest. That is why we resort to socialism.

Socialism is government's exclusive control of the means of production.

More government just means more waste, and inevitably more tyranny and fewer liberties, but that's not socialism.

Quit yelling for socialism if you don't want it.

Ignorance is Strength.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It's the one upside to the left's monopoly on media and cultural outlets: it is almost impossible for conservatives to live in an echo chamber, even if they want to.

What?

That's exactly what the Right has created for itself, shunning all media outside of its own. Holy crap. The Trumpian Right is now essentially its own closed ideological circuit, led by the media talkers who have you convinced that the Democrats want us to be just like Venezuela. Even freakin' FOX NEWS is persona non grata to some of you.

Amazing.
.

Spoken like someone who's never bothered to actually know or really think about conservatives. Some of us may only BELIEVE right-wing media, but only a blindered idiot believes we can 100% SHUN left-wing propaganda, so long as we still live in society. Can't be done. No amount of gassing and shrieking about "Trumpian!! Truuuuuummmp!!!" is ever going to make your little screed here anything more than a projection, and a hypocritical one at that. I am laughing at your condemnation of us for doing what every leftist in the country actually does, and what virtually no one on the right can do.

And no "media talker" had to "convince" me about what the Democrats want (btw, I never said they WANTED Venezuela, Literacy Lad: I said they wanted power and control, and that that LEADS to Venezuela, even though they think they're smart enough to dodge it). Democrats themselves have convinced me about what they want. In yet another thing, you have me confused with your own gullible self.

 

[danielpalos]

Why do you say that? Government requires the use of the other peoples money; maybe an ancap could do what you suggest. That is why we resort to socialism.

Socialism is government's exclusive control of the means of production.

More government just means more waste, and inevitably more tyranny and fewer liberties, but that's not socialism.

Quit yelling for socialism if you don't want it.

Ignorance is Strength.

capitalism has a natural rate of inefficiency; that explains right wing arguments.

 

[Mac1958]

It's the one upside to the left's monopoly on media and cultural outlets: it is almost impossible for conservatives to live in an echo chamber, even if they want to.

What?

That's exactly what the Right has created for itself, shunning all media outside of its own. Holy crap. The Trumpian Right is now essentially its own closed ideological circuit, led by the media talkers who have you convinced that the Democrats want us to be just like Venezuela. Even freakin' FOX NEWS is persona non grata to some of you.

Amazing.
.

Spoken like someone who's never bothered to actually know or really think about conservatives. Some of us may only BELIEVE right-wing media, but only a blindered idiot believes we can 100% SHUN left-wing propaganda, so long as we still live in society. Can't be done. No amount of gassing and shrieking about "Trumpian!! Truuuuuummmp!!!" is ever going to make your little screed here anything more than a projection, and a hypocritical one at that. I am laughing at your condemnation of us for doing what every leftist in the country actually does, and what virtually no one on the right can do.

And no "media talker" had to "convince" me about what the Democrats want (btw, I never said they WANTED Venezuela, Literacy Lad: I said they wanted power and control, and that that LEADS to Venezuela, even though they think they're smart enough to dodge it). Democrats themselves have convinced me about what they want. In yet another thing, you have me confused with your own gullible self.

Well, for what it''s worth, I believe that you believe that.
.

 

[danielpalos]

It's the one upside to the left's monopoly on media and cultural outlets: it is almost impossible for conservatives to live in an echo chamber, even if they want to.

What?

That's exactly what the Right has created for itself, shunning all media outside of its own. Holy crap. The Trumpian Right is now essentially its own closed ideological circuit, led by the media talkers who have you convinced that the Democrats want us to be just like Venezuela. Even freakin' FOX NEWS is persona non grata to some of you.

Amazing.
.

Spoken like someone who's never bothered to actually know or really think about conservatives. Some of us may only BELIEVE right-wing media, but only a blindered idiot believes we can 100% SHUN left-wing propaganda, so long as we still live in society. Can't be done. No amount of gassing and shrieking about "Trumpian!! Truuuuuummmp!!!" is ever going to make your little screed here anything more than a projection, and a hypocritical one at that. I am laughing at your condemnation of us for doing what every leftist in the country actually does, and what virtually no one on the right can do.

And no "media talker" had to "convince" me about what the Democrats want (btw, I never said they WANTED Venezuela, Literacy Lad: I said they wanted power and control, and that that LEADS to Venezuela, even though they think they're smart enough to dodge it). Democrats themselves have convinced me about what they want. In yet another thing, you have me confused with your own gullible self.

We have a Constitution; most right wing policies got held up in Court.

 

[dblack]

Why do you say that? Government requires the use of the other peoples money; maybe an ancap could do what you suggest. That is why we resort to socialism.

Socialism is government's exclusive control of the means of production.

More government just means more waste, and inevitably more tyranny and fewer liberties, but that's not socialism.

Quit yelling for socialism if you don't want it.

Ignorance is Strength.

capitalism has a natural rate of inefficiency; that explains right wing arguments.

Like... wow, man.

 

[Cecilie1200]

It's the one upside to the left's monopoly on media and cultural outlets: it is almost impossible for conservatives to live in an echo chamber, even if they want to.

What?

That's exactly what the Right has created for itself, shunning all media outside of its own. Holy crap. The Trumpian Right is now essentially its own closed ideological circuit, led by the media talkers who have you convinced that the Democrats want us to be just like Venezuela. Even freakin' FOX NEWS is persona non grata to some of you.

Amazing.
.

Spoken like someone who's never bothered to actually know or really think about conservatives. Some of us may only BELIEVE right-wing media, but only a blindered idiot believes we can 100% SHUN left-wing propaganda, so long as we still live in society. Can't be done. No amount of gassing and shrieking about "Trumpian!! Truuuuuummmp!!!" is ever going to make your little screed here anything more than a projection, and a hypocritical one at that. I am laughing at your condemnation of us for doing what every leftist in the country actually does, and what virtually no one on the right can do.

And no "media talker" had to "convince" me about what the Democrats want (btw, I never said they WANTED Venezuela, Literacy Lad: I said they wanted power and control, and that that LEADS to Venezuela, even though they think they're smart enough to dodge it). Democrats themselves have convinced me about what they want. In yet another thing, you have me confused with your own gullible self.

Well, for what it''s worth, I believe that you believe that.
.

For what it's worth, you're incredibly oblivious to not realize how utterly pervasive leftism is in every aspect of life. Do you really believe it's the same for us as it is for you, just avoid one news channel on TV and never turn on AM radio, and voila! The other side is completely blocked out and you never have to know they exist at all? I genuinely think you're so convinced of the moral superiority of your own viewpoint that you don't even recognize it AS your viewpoint when you hear it. For conservatives, avoiding left-think without moving to Amish country is like living in LA and avoiding air pollution. It just isn't going to happen.

 

[danielpalos]

It's the one upside to the left's monopoly on media and cultural outlets: it is almost impossible for conservatives to live in an echo chamber, even if they want to.

What?

That's exactly what the Right has created for itself, shunning all media outside of its own. Holy crap. The Trumpian Right is now essentially its own closed ideological circuit, led by the media talkers who have you convinced that the Democrats want us to be just like Venezuela. Even freakin' FOX NEWS is persona non grata to some of you.

Amazing.
.

Spoken like someone who's never bothered to actually know or really think about conservatives. Some of us may only BELIEVE right-wing media, but only a blindered idiot believes we can 100% SHUN left-wing propaganda, so long as we still live in society. Can't be done. No amount of gassing and shrieking about "Trumpian!! Truuuuuummmp!!!" is ever going to make your little screed here anything more than a projection, and a hypocritical one at that. I am laughing at your condemnation of us for doing what every leftist in the country actually does, and what virtually no one on the right can do.

And no "media talker" had to "convince" me about what the Democrats want (btw, I never said they WANTED Venezuela, Literacy Lad: I said they wanted power and control, and that that LEADS to Venezuela, even though they think they're smart enough to dodge it). Democrats themselves have convinced me about what they want. In yet another thing, you have me confused with your own gullible self.

Well, for what it''s worth, I believe that you believe that.
.

For what it's worth, you're incredibly oblivious to not realize how utterly pervasive leftism is in every aspect of life. Do you really believe it's the same for us as it is for you, just avoid one news channel on TV and never turn on AM radio, and voila! The other side is completely blocked out and you never have to know they exist at all? I genuinely think you're so convinced of the moral superiority of your own viewpoint that you don't even recognize it AS your viewpoint when you hear it. For conservatives, avoiding left-think without moving to Amish country is like living in LA and avoiding air pollution. It just isn't going to happen.

better solutions at lower cost, right wingers; that is what we are not getting from your wing.

 

[Toronado3800]

Oh wow. The intellectual debate begins here.

I hear there are snowflakes on all sides btw. Some folks actually get OFFENDED when a boy kneels during the national anthem.

Kneeling offends them snowflakes I tell you, kneeling like at the Catholic Mass or when you get knighted.

Given that they are kneeling PRECISELY for the purpose of being offensive, you wouldn't want us to hurt their feelings by making them feel ineffectual, would you?

lol. That's good.

As long as we're not all hypocrites calling people snowflakes for this or that then getting offended by someone getting on their knees. We can agree or disagree with the protestors or the Trump or whoever. Inconsistencies annoy me though lol.

Sorry, but your view of "inconsistencies" - which apparently means "you have to like whatever I think you should, or you're 'inconsistent'" matters not at all to me. There's a difference between being rightly offended by things that are, after all, INTENDED to be offensive, and being offended by every frigging blink of other people's eyes because you're LOOKING to be offended. That you don't see that difference doesn't mean it isn't there; it just means you don't want to see it, because you want to be an asshole while claiming it's everyone else's fault.

So a man kneeling offends you?

At the most holy time of Catholic Mass when they theing the eucharist is becoming the body and blood of christ they kneel.

This man KNEELING offends you?

Or is it his point of view which offends you?

Notice I did not say that you disagree with him. Disagreeing on how beautiful a woman is or the effects of tariffs is different than being offended when I call a woman beautiful or when I support big government tariffs.

Yes, I notice that you did not include the possibility that I just disagree with him, because you're incapable of considering that possibility. That might actually require you to acknowledge, understand, and respect my differing opinions. Better to just dismiss them entirely.

What offends me is specifically the fact that he's TRYING to offend me. Not the act, not the opinion, the context. It's the difference between saying something, saying something I disagree with, and saying it right up in my face in a belligerent tone of voice.

And I just officially lost all patience with and tolerance for your smirking pretense of not understanding what could POSSIBLY bother anyone about kneeling during the anthem, gosh no, HONEST it's not like anyone was TRYING to offend anyone.

Either you're a dishonest piece of shit, or you're too damned dumb to breathe. There's literally no other choice available for your line of posting, and I'm not interested in pretending to take your ersatz innocence seriously any longer.

Offended = Snowflake you are over this kneeling issue. I'm kinda hypersensitive to NAZI's. Hopefully I'm not a snowflake there. 1st step is to recognize your problem though. Its ok.

If all protestors just knelt to get their point across life would be good and the race relations would be better.

What do you want anyway? To USE BIG GOVERNMENT to force everyone to stand for the anthem or goose step or salute Stalin or whatever? Small government no title nation we have, right?

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

capitalism has a natural rate of inefficiency;

That describes socialism perfectly. It ignores human laziness and greed, whereas Capitalism attempts to reward efficiency.

 

[Bootney Lee Farnsworth]

better solutions at lower cost,

at a lower cost TO WHOM???

Nobody owes anyone else a living. Get that through your communist head.

 

[regent]

America had socialism before the Constitution was written but then it was a state responsibility.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Given that they are kneeling PRECISELY for the purpose of being offensive, you wouldn't want us to hurt their feelings by making them feel ineffectual, would you?

lol. That's good.

As long as we're not all hypocrites calling people snowflakes for this or that then getting offended by someone getting on their knees. We can agree or disagree with the protestors or the Trump or whoever. Inconsistencies annoy me though lol.

Sorry, but your view of "inconsistencies" - which apparently means "you have to like whatever I think you should, or you're 'inconsistent'" matters not at all to me. There's a difference between being rightly offended by things that are, after all, INTENDED to be offensive, and being offended by every frigging blink of other people's eyes because you're LOOKING to be offended. That you don't see that difference doesn't mean it isn't there; it just means you don't want to see it, because you want to be an asshole while claiming it's everyone else's fault.

So a man kneeling offends you?

At the most holy time of Catholic Mass when they theing the eucharist is becoming the body and blood of christ they kneel.

This man KNEELING offends you?

Or is it his point of view which offends you?

Notice I did not say that you disagree with him. Disagreeing on how beautiful a woman is or the effects of tariffs is different than being offended when I call a woman beautiful or when I support big government tariffs.

Yes, I notice that you did not include the possibility that I just disagree with him, because you're incapable of considering that possibility. That might actually require you to acknowledge, understand, and respect my differing opinions. Better to just dismiss them entirely.

What offends me is specifically the fact that he's TRYING to offend me. Not the act, not the opinion, the context. It's the difference between saying something, saying something I disagree with, and saying it right up in my face in a belligerent tone of voice.

And I just officially lost all patience with and tolerance for your smirking pretense of not understanding what could POSSIBLY bother anyone about kneeling during the anthem, gosh no, HONEST it's not like anyone was TRYING to offend anyone.

Either you're a dishonest piece of shit, or you're too damned dumb to breathe. There's literally no other choice available for your line of posting, and I'm not interested in pretending to take your ersatz innocence seriously any longer.

Offended = Snowflake you are over this kneeling issue. I'm kinda hypersensitive to NAZI's. Hopefully I'm not a snowflake there. 1st step is to recognize your problem though. Its ok.

If all protestors just knelt to get their point across life would be good and the race relations would be better.

What do you want anyway? To USE BIG GOVERNMENT to force everyone to stand for the anthem or goose step or salute Stalin or whatever? Small government no title nation we have, right?

Bleh bleh bleh "If you don't like us being 'outraged' about everything, that means you can't ever be upset about ANYTHING, because that's hypocrisy to childish simpletons like me!"

Literally all I heard you say in the one sentence I bothered to read before dismissing you as not worth my time.

Try harder. Or don't, whatever. Maybe that actually WAS your best effort, in which case you have my pity.

 

[Cecilie1200]

America had socialism before the Constitution was written but then it was a state responsibility.

The fuck is that even supposed to mean?

 

[Toronado3800]

lol. That's good.

As long as we're not all hypocrites calling people snowflakes for this or that then getting offended by someone getting on their knees. We can agree or disagree with the protestors or the Trump or whoever. Inconsistencies annoy me though lol.

Sorry, but your view of "inconsistencies" - which apparently means "you have to like whatever I think you should, or you're 'inconsistent'" matters not at all to me. There's a difference between being rightly offended by things that are, after all, INTENDED to be offensive, and being offended by every frigging blink of other people's eyes because you're LOOKING to be offended. That you don't see that difference doesn't mean it isn't there; it just means you don't want to see it, because you want to be an asshole while claiming it's everyone else's fault.

So a man kneeling offends you?

At the most holy time of Catholic Mass when they theing the eucharist is becoming the body and blood of christ they kneel.

This man KNEELING offends you?

Or is it his point of view which offends you?

Notice I did not say that you disagree with him. Disagreeing on how beautiful a woman is or the effects of tariffs is different than being offended when I call a woman beautiful or when I support big government tariffs.

Yes, I notice that you did not include the possibility that I just disagree with him, because you're incapable of considering that possibility. That might actually require you to acknowledge, understand, and respect my differing opinions. Better to just dismiss them entirely.

What offends me is specifically the fact that he's TRYING to offend me. Not the act, not the opinion, the context. It's the difference between saying something, saying something I disagree with, and saying it right up in my face in a belligerent tone of voice.

And I just officially lost all patience with and tolerance for your smirking pretense of not understanding what could POSSIBLY bother anyone about kneeling during the anthem, gosh no, HONEST it's not like anyone was TRYING to offend anyone.

Either you're a dishonest piece of shit, or you're too damned dumb to breathe. There's literally no other choice available for your line of posting, and I'm not interested in pretending to take your ersatz innocence seriously any longer.

Offended = Snowflake you are over this kneeling issue. I'm kinda hypersensitive to NAZI's. Hopefully I'm not a snowflake there. 1st step is to recognize your problem though. Its ok.

If all protestors just knelt to get their point across life would be good and the race relations would be better.

What do you want anyway? To USE BIG GOVERNMENT to force everyone to stand for the anthem or goose step or salute Stalin or whatever? Small government no title nation we have, right?

Bleh bleh bleh "If you don't like us being 'outraged' about everything, that means you can't ever be upset about ANYTHING, because that's hypocrisy to childish simpletons like me!"

Literally all I heard you say in the one sentence I bothered to read before dismissing you as not worth my time.

Try harder. Or don't, whatever. Maybe that actually WAS your best effort, in which case you have my pity.

Your personal attack is noted.

Were you saying you aren't offended by kneeling anymore?

You can disagree 100% and not be a snowflake.

but hey, if you think the rest of them talk show host inspired snowflakes are right to be offended you don't have a bathroom for each of the 32 possible genders then you can be offended by kneeling and be consistent.

 

[well named]

what the hell is a Trumpenproleteriat? i heard someone say it

It's a pun based on the term lumpenproletariat (cf. Wiki, I apparently can't add a link in my first post). I'd imagine whoever used it was trying to suggest that some poorer Trump voters were voting against their own economic self-interest.

 

[Rustic]

Socialism is made by shit stains for shit stains