Why Isn't Carter Page In Prison?

[dannyboys]

It has been claimed by numerous CNN/MSNBC 'legal experts' that normally to get a FISA warrant the evidence of spying etc must be comprehensive and factual and repeatedly verified. They claim that means usually the application is like forty or fifty pages long.
In 2013 the first FISA warrant to spy on Page was issued.
Where they any more than just one warrant between 2013 and 2017?
All of a sudden after Trump won the election four warrants to spy on Page were issued consecutively.
According to these LIB MSM experts in order to get another consecutive warrant there has to be a "significant amount of verified evidence. Like another forty or fifty pages of 'evidence. Imagine the literal mountain of pages of 'verified' legitimate evidence there know must be against Page.
Page has been grilled by Mueller's team and both House and Senate committees.
Someone explain why Page has NEVER been charged even with jaywalking?
Why is Page walking around a free man?
But don't anyone worry. Good old Carter has already begun numerous lawsuits against the DOJ/FBI.
So What? You might ask. Because Good old Carter gets to see ALL the so-called massive amounts of 'evidence' against him before he sets foot in the courtroom.
In America it's called getting to see what your accusers claim to have against you.
The DOJ/FBI will not be able to claim the evidence is 'classified' and they can't refuse to release it to Page's lawyers.
In a couple of years Page will be a multimillionaire and some corrupt members of the DOJ/FBI will be eating cat food sandwiches for lunch everyday in federal prison.

 

[Eaglewings]

It has been claimed by numerous CNN/MSNBC 'legal experts' that normally to get a FISA warrant the evidence of spying etc must be comprehensive and factual and repeatedly verified. They claim that means usually the application is like forty or fifty pages long.
In 2013 the first FISA warrant to spy on Page was issued.
Where they any more than just one warrant between 2013 and 2017?
All of a sudden after Trump won the election four warrants to spy on Page were issued consecutively.
According to these LIB MSM experts in order to get another consecutive warrant there has to be a "significant amount of verified evidence. Like another forty or fifty pages of 'evidence. Imagine the literal mountain of pages of 'verified' legitimate evidence there know must be against Page.
Page has been grilled by Mueller's team and both House and Senate committees.
Someone explain why Page has NEVER been charged even with jaywalking?
Why is Page walking around a free man?
But don't anyone worry. Good old Carter has already begun numerous lawsuits against the DOJ/FBI.
So What? You might ask. Because Good old Carter gets to see ALL the so-called massive amounts of 'evidence' against him before he sets foot in the courtroom.
In America it's called getting to see what your accusers claim to have against you.
The DOJ/FBI will not be able to claim the evidence is 'classified' and they can't refuse to release it to Page's lawyers.
In a couple of years Page will be a multimillionaire and some corrupt members of the DOJ/FBI will be eating cat food sandwiches for lunch everyday in federal prison.

Anyone knows that you build a case from the outside inward ... Remember the Nixon investigation? 40 government officials were indicted or jailed once they got to Nixon.

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[Valerie]

The implication is apparently that partisan information was used to request surveillance of a Trump campaign aide when it shouldn’t have been. This argument — assuming it’s the argument made by the memo! — is contingent on a lot of shaky assumptions, several of which were parsed by Orin Kerr at Lawfare. For example: Steele’s background made him a credible source to the FBI, and judges are used to considering motivation when determining whether to grant a warrant.

Assuming, that is, that it’s fair to consider Steele a biased source. There’s no indication that Steele knew who the client was for whom he was indirectly working. In his testimony before the Senate last year, Fusion GPS’s Glenn Simpson said that Steele was told only to “see if you can find out what Donald Trump’s been doing on these trips to Russia.”


But the broader question that’s important to answer is if there was other evidence, besides what Steele provided, that might have prompted the FBI to seek a warrant to surveil Page’s activities. After all, if there were 40 pieces of evidence cited, one of which came from Steele, even if Steele’s evidence were somehow inappropriate to include (again, not necessarily a fair assumption) there would still be 39 other reasons that a warrant might be justified.

Analysis | What we know about the warrant to surveil Carter Page

 

[DrLove]

The implication is apparently that partisan information was used to request surveillance of a Trump campaign aide when it shouldn’t have been. This argument — assuming it’s the argument made by the memo! — is contingent on a lot of shaky assumptions, several of which were parsed by Orin Kerr at Lawfare. For example: Steele’s background made him a credible source to the FBI, and judges are used to considering motivation when determining whether to grant a warrant.

Assuming, that is, that it’s fair to consider Steele a biased source. There’s no indication that Steele knew who the client was for whom he was indirectly working. In his testimony before the Senate last year, Fusion GPS’s Glenn Simpson said that Steele was told only to “see if you can find out what Donald Trump’s been doing on these trips to Russia.”

But the broader question that’s important to answer is if there was other evidence, besides what Steele provided, that might have prompted the FBI to seek a warrant to surveil Page’s activities. After all, if there were 40 pieces of evidence cited, one of which came from Steele, even if Steele’s evidence were somehow inappropriate to include (again, not necessarily a fair assumption) there would still be 39 other reasons that a warrant might be justified.

Analysis | What we know about the warrant to surveil Carter Page

Nicely done Valerie - You should post more often!

 

[Valerie]

The most important claim in a controversial memo released Friday by the House Intelligence Committee — that the FBI and the Department of Justice misled a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court (FISC) when they submitted an application to surveil a key Trump campaign adviser — may have just been quashed.

The memo was released as part of an investigation House Intelligence Committee chairman Devin Nunes has been conducting over the past year into what he characterizes as bias and corruption within the FBI and DOJ.

In particular, the Nunes memo, which was declassified Friday by President Donald Trump, alleges that top DOJ officials concealed the political motives behind a dossier they submitted as part of a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act (FISA) application to wiretap Carter Page, who worked as an early foreign-policy adviser on Trump's campaign.

The claim fueled accusations from Trump and his loyalists that the Russia investigation is not an independent inquiry into potential collusion between the campaign and Russia, but a Democrat-led "witch hunt" meant to undermine his presidency.

But The Washington Post reported late Friday night that the court that approved the warrant was aware at the time that the dossier's production was politically motivated.


One official with knowledge of the matter told The Post that the DOJ made "ample disclosure of relevant, material facts" to the FISC which revealed "the research was being paid for by a political entity."

"No thinking person who read any of these applications would come to any other conclusion" other than that the dossier's production was carried out "at the behest of people with a partisan aim and that it was being done in opposition to Trump," they added.

The revelation appears to corroborate claims made in a 10-page rebuttal memo crafted by Democrats on the House Intelligence Committee. Sources told The New York Times on Friday that the Democratic memo also says the FBI informed the FISC that the dossier was politically motivated, but did not reveal which political entity specifically financed it.

The dossier, which was compiled by former MI6 officer Christopher Steele and alleges a number of improper ties between Trump and Russia, has become a central point of controversy as the Russia investigation picks up steam.

It was originally funded by a group of Republicans who opposed Trump during the Republican primaries. After Trump became the party's nominee, Hillary Clinton's campaign and the Democratic National Committee hired the Perkins Coie law firm, which in turn retained the opposition-research firm Fusion GPS to fund the dossier's production.

Though Trump and his allies have slammed the document as "fake" and "phony" — and while it does contain some dubious allegations that have not been corroborated — both the FBI and the Senate Intelligence Committee are using it as a "roadmap" in their investigations and have verified a number of its claims.

The central argument in the Nunes memo may have just been debunked

 

[Valerie]

The White House’s interest in releasing the memo almost certainly stems from the likelihood that it seems to bolster President Trump’s assertions that he’s been unfairly targeted by investigators. Nunes has long been a close Trump ally and defender. He faced an ethics investigation into his discussions of classified material last year following revelations meant to defend Trump after the president tweeted unfounded speculation about Trump Tower having been wiretapped. Nunes on Monday reportedly refused to say whether he’d been working with the White House on the memo.

 

[Valerie]

The Post first reported on the warrant (known as a FISA warrant, short for Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Act) in April. That report included this bit of information:

Three years before Page became an adviser to the Trump campaign, he came to the attention of FBI counterintelligence agents, who learned that Russian spy suspects had sought to use Page as a source for information.

 

[Valerie]

• The Nunes memo's claim that the FBI and Department of Justice misled a Foreign Intelligence Surveillance Court when seeking to wiretap Trump campaign adviser Carter Page may have been quashed.

• Officials familiar with the matter told The Washington Post and The New York Times that the DOJ made it clear to the court that information contained in a dossier they submitted as part of a FISA application to surveil Page was politically motivated.

• The revelation undercuts the most important claim in Nunes' memo as he seeks to characterize the FBI and the DOJ as corrupt and biased against President Donald Trump.

 

[dannyboys]

The FACT that Page has been under surveillance for YEARS and has never been charged with a fucking parking ticket explains how corrupt the DOJ/FBI leadership are.
I wonder who is paying for the fucking storage locker which holds the mountain of pages of FISA warrant applications against Page?

 

[Meathead]

The implication is apparently that partisan information was used to request surveillance of a Trump campaign aide when it shouldn’t have been. This argument — assuming it’s the argument made by the memo! — is contingent on a lot of shaky assumptions, several of which were parsed by Orin Kerr at Lawfare. For example: Steele’s background made him a credible source to the FBI, and judges are used to considering motivation when determining whether to grant a warrant.

Assuming, that is, that it’s fair to consider Steele a biased source. There’s no indication that Steele knew who the client was for whom he was indirectly working. In his testimony before the Senate last year, Fusion GPS’s Glenn Simpson said that Steele was told only to “see if you can find out what Donald Trump’s been doing on these trips to Russia.”

But the broader question that’s important to answer is if there was other evidence, besides what Steele provided, that might have prompted the FBI to seek a warrant to surveil Page’s activities. After all, if there were 40 pieces of evidence cited, one of which came from Steele, even if Steele’s evidence were somehow inappropriate to include (again, not necessarily a fair assumption) there would still be 39 other reasons that a warrant might be justified.

Analysis | What we know about the warrant to surveil Carter Page

Nicely done Valerie - You should post more often!

Yes, copying and pasting is really difficult.

 

[DrLove]

Yes, copying and pasting is really difficult.

Copying and pasting factual matter isn't easy - Trumpkins fail quite often at that.

 

[Valerie]

The FBI interviewed Page in June 2013, and he admitted to providing documents to Podobnyy, though only “basic immaterial information and publicly available research documents.”


We know of other interactions between Page and Russian actors as well.


Page lived in Moscow from 2004 to 2007 while working for Merrill Lynch. In early July 2016, Page traveled back to the city to give a lecture, having been invited shortly after being named to the Trump team in March.

Page informed campaign officials of his plans to travel the week before, though he at first denied having done so.


This trip became the subject of several of the reports in Steele’s dossier. Report No. 94, dated July 19, claims that Page met with the president of Russian energy firm Rosneft and a Kremlin official named Igor Diveykin. Report No. 134, dated Oct. 18, suggests that in his meeting with Rosneft President Igor Sechin, Page discussed getting a stake in the company in exchange for sanctions on Russia being lifted. Page denied those meetings after they became public in a Yahoo News report in September 2016 — a report which triggered his taking leave from the campaign.


In other words, the warrant application was submitted after Page had publicly broken with Trump, undercutting the idea that the campaign was being targeted.


Testifying before the House Intelligence Committee last year, Page admitted to a brief interaction with Russian Deputy Prime Minister Arkady Dvorkovich during that July trip.

In a memo sent to the campaign after his return, though, Page wrote that in a “private meeting,” the official had “expressed strong support for Mr. Trump and a desire to work together toward devising better solutions in response to a vast range of current international problems.”

 

[whitehall]

"Imagine the literal mountain of pages of verified evidence"? That's the problem with lefties. They rely on imagination instead of reality.

 

[Valerie]

Former Trump Aide Carter Page Was on U.S. Counterintelligence Radar Before Russia Dossier
Court documents, testimony show foreign-policy adviser was known to authorities as early as 2013

Former Trump Aide Carter Page Was on U.S. Counterintelligence Radar Before Russia Dossier

 

[DrLove]

A hilarious part of the #DevinDud was how it claims the Steele Dossier was the basis for the investigation, they debunk their own talking point in the final paragraph!

“The Papadopoulos information triggered the opening of an FBI counterintelligence investigation in late July 2016 by FBI agent Pete Strzok.”

LoL

 

[Meathead]

Yes, copying and pasting is really difficult.

Copying and pasting factual matter isn't easy - Trumpkins fail quite often at that.

You know, you really don't have the intelligence to post even here at USMB, and you can't just blame that on being a woman. There are many women here that here post with at least a modicum of intellect.

 

[Valerie]

The FACT that Page has been under surveillance for YEARS and has never been charged with a fucking parking ticket explains how corrupt the DOJ/FBI leadership are.
I wonder who is paying for the fucking storage locker which holds the mountain of pages of FISA warrant applications against Page?

and to think, teflon don touted himself as the "law and order" candidate

 

[Valerie]

Carter Page has said he was “interested in business” and “possible research opportunities” when he traveled to Moscow and London in December 2016 to meet with Russian contacts.


At the time, he was under FBI surveillance. And federal law enforcement officials were apparently concerned enough about the former Trump campaign adviser’s activities that they repeatedly sought to extend their monitoring of Page, according to a Republican House memo released Friday.


The controversial GOP memo alleges that the warrant the FBI obtained in October 2016 to track Page relied on unvetted information provided by a former British spy working for the Democrats.


While Republicans presented the memo as evidence that the investigation was tainted, the document indicates that law enforcement officials had sufficient worries about the energy consultant that they felt it was necessary to continue to monitor him.

 

[nat4900]

The implication is apparently that partisan information was used to request surveillance of a Trump campaign aide when it shouldn’t have been.

WAS CARTER PAGE PART OF THE TRUMP CAMPAIGN WHEN THE FBI SOUGHT A WARRANT TO MONITOR HIM IN OCTOBER 2016???

A simple YES or NO, please?

 

[Valerie]

Page had been on the radar of the FBI at least as far back as 2013, when a bureau wiretap caught suspected Russian spies discussing their attempts to recruit him.


Memo points to FBI’s sustained interest in Carter Page, ex-adviser to Trump