Why pence is okay with FEMA camps for immigrant kids

[Correll]

You ignored what I said about endangering a child. Did you not listen to me? DId you learn about my perspective? My challenges?

Yes, I definitely am learning about your challenges. No doubt.

But you are asking questions about what drives a parent to take these risks with their children and it doesn’t seem like you have any genuine interest to learn why, from them. You've imagined doing that to your kids and concluded that you’d never do such a thing so therefore those that do it must be crappy people or smugglers. It’s just pure ignorance

No, it is not. YOu are ignoring my challenges, and perspective. YOu are dismissing them, because they do not serve your interests or agenda.

You’re challenges and perspectives are not in question... those of immigrants are. That’s what we are discussing

Of course they aren't. Because you don't about them. To you, understanding is a one way street.


It is on US to understand them, not the other way around.


That is why your entire argument is sophist nonsense, provided for the sole purpose of dressing up the fact that all you are doing it telling me to shut up and be lectured to.

What are you talking about? You keep moving the goalpost. You asked a question about why people would take their children on a dangerous trek. You can’t turn it around in the same conversation and condemn me for not understanding your struggles... this conversation has nothing to do with you. If you want to make it about you then pose another question and we can discuss it.

I made a point about a parent taking their children on a dangerous trek.


YOU challenged my ability to judge people with different life experiences. I did not accuse you of moving the goal posts, because it was a relevant to the topic to challenge my ability to make a judgement.


And so we discussed that back and forth a little.


Now we have reached the end of that, and I have pointed out that your desire for understanding is not equal on both parties.


For if your concept of needing to do the work to understand each other is to be valid at all, the understanding must go both ways.


If not, you need to explain, why it is important for me to understand them, but they can ignore me and my concerns.



Because otherwise, it looks like you are just employing sophist nonsense for the sole purpose of dressing up the fact that all you are doing it telling me to shut up and be lectured to.

 

[CowboyTed]

he isn't so much a Christian as he is a trumptian.

Pence is a dangerous man but I'm not sure I have a better idea on what to do in this case.

How about we improve the camps and make Big Government Mike come to us for permission on how to use his body's sticks and holes.

How about we stop peeing our pants about people that are no threat to us?

Agreed. The hysteria on here is hilarious. A good number of folks put in a solid 8 hour day worrying about illegals.

I'd double the immigration caps and maybe triple them but at some point SOMEONE is going to be sneaking themselves and their kids into the country and we'll have to do something with them. How bad are these FEMA camps?

Well a lawyer for the Administration said children didn't need toothbrushes or towels... With a bit more investigation we have 2 year olds minded by 7-8 year olds with no nappies... Children sleeping on concrete floors... No medical services... Lice and Flu epidemics...

And the Trump Lawyer trying to keep it that way... When did America get this low... This is not a case of unwilling to solve it, it is a case of refusing to...

Can you say how this is making America Great?

 

[bripat9643]

What kind of parent, takes a kid on a dangerous trek across a desert with dangerous criminals?

One that knows the kids have a better chance that way.

So then if you have a problem with how it is going, take it up with their parents who choose this.

Why? It isn't the parents fault they aren't born into a stable country.

Wrong. It pretty much is. Who is responsible if not the people who live there?

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[Correll]

A crap one, if not even NOT a parent, as seems to often be the case.

So the point of this question of yours is to demonize all those coming over and paint them as either traffickers or crappy people?

Have you been to the border and seen these people? Spoken to them? Seen live coverage of interviews? Anything? Where are you drawing these conclusions from?

From the knowledge that it is a dangerous and illegal trek, that no good parent would take their child on.


Thus, pointing that out, is not "demonizing" them, but judging them on their actions.

Your judging them on their actions with no experience or understanding of who they are where they come from and why they are doing what they are doing.

I know that there are very few "experiences" that would lead a good parent to putting their child's life in danger.

A good parent doesn't let their child starve to death.

This is why they are coming.

Opinion | ‘Food Doesn’t Grow Here Anymore. That’s Why I Would Send My Son North.’

If you want to stop them from coming then you need to understand why they are coming then help solve the problem so they won't come anymore.

I guess that's just too hard for a right wing radical extremist to understand.

Bullshit. If it was that, if "food didn't grow in guatemala", then they could stop walking when they got to Mexico.


Why do you hate America?

 

[Correll]

What kind of parent, takes a kid on a dangerous trek across a desert with dangerous criminals?

One who fears for their lives.

Bullshit. THey are economic migrants looking for money.

 

[CowboyTed]

Sure you don't mean illegal immigrant?

Okay. Everyone is illegal if you can justify it.

Never said everyone is illegal but the Trump critics act like everyone showing up at Southern border is coming here legally with nobel intentions. If you can prove that is indeed the case be my guest.

They are children, how do expect them to mount a defence? Doggie Hoizer was a tv show there is no Doggie Lawyer in these camps.

This is not hard to solve, Trump is refusing... He is maltreating children and babies to try and gain a political advantage..

 

[Correll]

They are coached to apply in order to overwhelm the system, by people like you.


They are doing this to the system on purpose.


ALL the problems are their fault.


SEAL THE FUCKING BORDER. SEND THEM ALL HOME.

coached? LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! you might wanna put some of the blame on our meddling in that part of the hemisphere.

Sure. Everything is America's fault in the mind of a liberal.

not everything... but certainly some. to deny that is to be a poorly educated trumpanzee.

How Narco States Work


The US war on drugs and its legacy in Latin America

This would be a good point to admit that your interest in this is just to find excuses to allow unlimited Third World Immigration to the US, so as to transform it away from what you hate.


Cause that it what this is all about.

What this is all about is that you have a president who is willing to abuse and torture children for political gain.

I was talking to playtime, and he was pretty clear that he would say anything, so as to not have to justify why we have to leave the southern border open.


I want to seal the border. The president ran on building a wall, which would prevent the vast majority of those children from getting to those camps.


I don't know why the Wall is not already up. It would solve this problem. Why is this on the President when EVERYONE in dc is fighting against the Wall?

 

[Dragonlady]

What kind of parent, takes a kid on a dangerous trek across a desert with dangerous criminals?

One that knows the kids have a better chance that way.

So then if you have a problem with how it is going, take it up with their parents who choose this.

Why? It isn't the parents fault they aren't born into a stable country.

Wrong. It pretty much is. Who is responsible if not the people who live there?

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Try the USA, which exported the narco-terrorist drug gangs to Central America, and whose American leadership controls the drugs gangs and their takeover of these countries.

 

[Flash]

The best way for you and your children not to be in a "concentration camp" is not to be involved in the crime of unlawful entry. Problem solved.

 

[CowboyTed]

What kind of parent, takes a kid on a dangerous trek across a desert with dangerous criminals?

One that knows the kids have a better chance that way.

So then if you have a problem with how it is going, take it up with their parents who choose this.

Why? It isn't the parents fault they aren't born into a stable country.

Wrong. It pretty much is. Who is responsible if not the people who live there?

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Who is feed the money into destabizing the country with violence?

Where does the vast amount of arms come from to escalate that violence...

 

[Correll]

What kind of parent, takes a kid on a dangerous trek across a desert with dangerous criminals?

Ones that know it even more dangerous at home... Ever think about that... Why would a parent do this? Can you see the desperation?

All of Mexico is not a war zone. Plenty of safer places, that don't involve crossing a desert with rapist for guides.


Have YOU ever thought about this? Or are you too desperate for future voters?

 

[Correll]

What kind of parent, takes a kid on a dangerous trek across a desert with dangerous criminals?

One that knows the kids have a better chance that way.

So then if you have a problem with how it is going, take it up with their parents who choose this.

We would but it hard when the incompetent Administration didn't keep track of their parents...

The system was purposefully overwhelmed by people like you, who want to force a situation where these people are just released into the nation.


That is on them. That you put pressure on the government to do it, makes you an accomplish after the fact.

 

[Correll]

What kind of parent, takes a kid on a dangerous trek across a desert with dangerous criminals?

One that knows the kids have a better chance that way.

So then if you have a problem with how it is going, take it up with their parents who choose this.

Why? It isn't the parents fault they aren't born into a stable country.

Wrong. It pretty much is. Who is responsible if not the people who live there?

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Who is feed the money into destabizing the country with violence?

Where does the vast amount of arms come from to escalate that violence...

Anything to blame America. Somehow it has to be America's fault.


Yet, our country is so great that people are willing to risk the lives of their children to come here.


Hey ted, once you liberals and the immgrants turn the US into North Mexico, where you going to go to find a good place to live?

 

[CowboyTed]

What kind of parent, takes a kid on a dangerous trek across a desert with dangerous criminals?

One who fears for their lives.

Bullshit. THey are economic migrants looking for money.

Great... Now go prove that in court...

asylum seekers killed in el salvador - Google Search

Asylum Seekers are not illegal, so in that case you are lying...

Children are not in the position to to apply for these things so under the presumption of innocence they are not criminals.

 

[Correll]

What kind of parent, takes a kid on a dangerous trek across a desert with dangerous criminals?

One who fears for their lives.

Bullshit. THey are economic migrants looking for money.

Great... Now go prove that in court...

asylum seekers killed in el salvador - Google Search

Asylum Seekers are not illegal, so in that case you are lying...

Children are not in the position to to apply for these things so under the presumption of innocence they are not criminals.

If only the system and our ability to absorb immigrants had not been overwhelmed by economic migrants and lefties....



This is on you. Seal the border. BUILD THE WALL. SEND THEM HOME.

 

[blackhawk]

Sure you don't mean illegal immigrant?

Okay. Everyone is illegal if you can justify it.

Never said everyone is illegal but the Trump critics act like everyone showing up at Southern border is coming here legally with nobel intentions. If you can prove that is indeed the case be my guest.

They are children, how do expect them to mount a defence? Doggie Hoizer was a tv show there is no Doggie Lawyer in these camps.

This is not hard to solve, Trump is refusing... He is maltreating children and babies to try and gain a political advantage..

Very simple you arrive at legal ports of entry if you are looking for asylum you claim it in the first safe country you enter do this and you wont have any issues.

 

[Dragonlady]

One that knows the kids have a better chance that way.

So then if you have a problem with how it is going, take it up with their parents who choose this.

Why? It isn't the parents fault they aren't born into a stable country.

Wrong. It pretty much is. Who is responsible if not the people who live there?

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Who is feed the money into destabizing the country with violence?

Where does the vast amount of arms come from to escalate that violence...

Anything to blame America. Somehow it has to be America's fault.


Yet, our country is so great that people are willing to risk the lives of their children to come here.


Hey ted, once you liberals and the immgrants turn the US into North Mexico, where you going to go to find a good place to live?

Lord but you're the dumbest tool in the tool box. People don't go to the United States to turn it into the country they just left, they go to the United States so they can become Americans. If they wanted to live in the country they left, they would have STAYED THERE.

I have never wanted to go to the United States to live. I have a better life here. I live in a cleaner, safer, and more secure country, and I find the Americans to be the most paranoid and frightened people on the planet.

 

[Third Party]

he isn't so much a Christian as he is a trumptian.

What's your solution. Can they stay at your place?

Absolutely. And I will help them become citizens because we need more loyal citizens.

They weren't very loyal to their last country, were they?

 

[Third Party]

he isn't so much a Christian as he is a trumptian.

Because the kids should not be here.

 

[Dana7360]

[QUOTE="Dana7360, post: 22595391, member: 50367"


A good parent doesn't let their child starve to death.

This is why they are coming.

Opinion | ‘Food Doesn’t Grow Here Anymore. That’s Why I Would Send My Son North.’

If you want to stop them from coming then you need to understand why they are coming then help solve the problem so they won't come anymore.

I guess that's just too hard for a right wing radical extremist to understand.

Right wing folks include farmers. Believe me, they understand how to grow food. It grows in the ground. Did you know that?[/QUOTE]


Food needs rain and the right weather conditions to grow.

It' obvious to me you didn't read the article yet you made a very stupid comment that is so simplistic that you make a fool of yourself to all of us who have read the article.

Global climate change is real and it's hitting nations closer to the equator worse and sooner than it is hitting those of us who are farther north.

If you had bothered to learn about global climate change this is exactly what was predicted would happen but you have been convinced climate change is a bunch of garbage.

Until people understand why they are coming, the problem will get worse.

If you want them to stop coming it's only logical to find out why then find a way to solve the problem.

Unfortunately you far right radical extremists aren't smart enough to understand that very simple concept.